July 3, 2016 
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joined #illumos[12:26:36] *** jthan <jthan!~jonathan@jonathandemasi.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:28:34] *** jthan <jthan!~jonathan@jonathandemasi.com> has joined #illumos[12:35:07] *** fling <fling!~fling@fsf/member/fling> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:37:42] *** asedeno <asedeno!sid1037@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnirtpjfefqjwqry> has joined #illumos[12:39:52] *** Tsesarevich <Tsesarevich!sid83162@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx> has joined #illumos[12:43:57] *** fling <fling!~fling@fsf/member/fling> has joined #illumos[12:58:19] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@tmo-111-0.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #illumos[13:24:42] <nikolam> Seems like New Oracle developer studio (renamed Solaris Studio) , brags about being much faster then GCC for some compilations (Sparc and x86): https://mega.nz/#!DF513TTY!g6-neW7NSNCryBbz8VEm94w3lwlUVfe-3zd0or7O7BA[13:26:49] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.241.219> has joined #illumos[13:37:31] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@tmo-111-0.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:59:22] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@c-65-96-193-9.hsd1.vt.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[14:01:33] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has joined #illumos[14:04:44] *** rzezeski <rzezeski!uid151901@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nqsxpjrbhdfcyfdg> has joined #illumos[14:05:36] <tsoome> as long as I remember, studio compilers have always been better. I had colleague doing research crypto and he did perform comparization quite often for different compilers (due to the nature of his field, he was obviously interested about resulting code performance;).[14:09:18] <tsoome> In that sense studio team has all the reasons to be proud of IMO.[14:13:49] <makruger> tsoome: I was finally able to get OI to boot as a KVM guest on a Linux host.[14:14:03] <makruger> Had to disable the cpu feature xsave[14:15:47] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@tmo-110-28.customers.d1-online.com> has joined #illumos[14:16:09] <makruger> Then I tried your oi-loader d6 booting with BIOS and recieved kernel panic[14:17:17] <makruger> Tried to build VM as UEFI, but was not able to do so. Said hardware didn't support it or something ( I have an old thinkpad w500)[14:18:51] <tsoome> qemu 2.6.0 does cause this warning (from kernel) with default cpu: Warning: cpu0: CPUID.0xD returns invalid value: hw_low = 0, hw_high = 0, xsave_size = 0, ymm_size = 0, ymm_offset = 0[14:19:06] <tsoome> but is able to go on.[14:19:31] <tsoome> for uefi you need OVMF-X64-r15214[14:20:49] <makruger> yes it was looking for the OVMF[14:21:19] <tsoome> I havent checked lately if there is more recent one[14:21:48] <makruger> where do I obtain this file?[14:22:57] <tsoome> google:) tianocore.org has binaries for download[14:23:46] <tsoome> note, you need 64bit one. I have no plans to build 32bit support:P[14:27:11] <makruger> found it....thanks[14:27:16] <tsoome> Oracle is certainly evil empire and whatnot, but they did good thing and did kill 32bit kernel, hopefully we can achieve the same:P[14:27:47] <makruger> I personally don't have a use for 32 bit;-)[14:28:01] <makruger> And I am not even a lawnmower:P[14:29:42] <tsoome> most dont, but that topic has been risen few times and every time eventually someone has been popping up “but we still need 32bit” - so as usual, the issue has been pushed back into the drawer:D[14:31:00] <tsoome> well, of course it’s really not the question of life and death, but would help to clean up.[14:34:19] <patdk-lap> ya, there hasn't been any point for 32bit in the last 5years[14:34:49] <patdk-lap> the only people still wanting to use 32bit, think, or actually do, use a crapload of pointers, and believe they get huge memory gains with 32bit[14:34:58] <patdk-lap> sometimes it's true, but not most of the time[14:37:10] <tsoome> its only question of time when the 64bit optimizations will render 32bit useless…[14:38:39] <patdk-lap> that also, but I never really see that as justification[14:38:50] <patdk-lap> normally it's just too painful to switch between 32bit and 64bit modes[14:39:00] <patdk-lap> and everyone just complains about the memory overhead of 64bit[14:59:33] <nbjoerg> ironically, there is a huge corelation between problems that would benefit from 32bit pointers and problems that don't fit into 32bit...[15:00:27] <xenol> nbjoerg: :)[15:00:45] *** tdowg1 <tdowg1!~quassel@pool-68-134-194-81.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:01:22] <tsoome> well… you can imagine how many 16bit pointers we could have:P[15:01:32] <patdk-lap> not too many :)[15:01:47] <tsoome> all of them?:P[15:07:05] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@114.216.28.229> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:18:33] *** chrisBF 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ignorance I don't know what to do with the shell:P[16:24:57] <makruger> hmm...I tried adding - boot d[16:27:34] *** openzfsslackbot <openzfsslackbot!~nobody@ec2-52-23-198-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:27:40] <tsoome> you can exiti it:D well, it should be possible to start app from cd as well (efi boot program is efi app), but I havent really used that shell[16:28:15] *** openzfsslackbot <openzfsslackbot!~nobody@ec2-52-23-198-104.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #illumos[16:29:08] <tsoome> it houls have some help etc, but usually without pager etc, so unless you have huge screen, its mostly useless unless you have some manuals around[16:37:43] <patdk-lap> uefi shell is great for firmware updates[16:37:51] <patdk-lap> beyond that, I have no use for it :)[16:38:02] <patdk-lap> locating uefi shell firmware updaters can be hard though[16:38:15] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-5-60-149-59.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:38:27] <makruger> ha, found a solution....[16:38:48] <makruger> sudo apt-get install ovmf[16:39:27] <makruger> apparently there was a package in the repo...which allowed me to simply select UEFI when creating the VM using virt-manager[16:40:19] <makruger> when I tried that before...well it failed as it was looking for /usr/share/ovmf/OVMF.fd[16:46:14] <igork> makruger: on debian, you can install apt-file and use it for search package with file :)[16:46:27] <igork> apt-file search <path to file>[16:46:47] <igork> and you can find a package where file present[16:46:58] <makruger> thanks igork that will be really useful[16:47:15] <igork> i like debian and i use apt-get/dpkg on dilos :)[16:47:25] <igork> and ported apt-file too :)[16:47:30] <makruger> nice[16:49:04] <makruger> tsoome: UEFI boot worked and I am at the installer localization selection menu[16:49:32] <tsoome> :D[16:49:58] <tsoome> well, are you intending to install it?:D[16:50:08] <makruger> might as well[16:50:18] <tsoome> heh[16:50:42] <tsoome> you need to set up disk manually tho.[16:50:52] <makruger> so, works on Linux KVM host[16:51:42] <makruger> OK[16:51:50] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-76-3-192.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #illumos[17:03:51] *** thomases <thomases!~the@51.175.109.233> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:11:06] *** aaro1 <aaro1!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[17:11:13] *** thomases <thomases!~the@51.175.109.233> has joined #illumos[17:15:45] *** Riastradh <Riastradh!~riastradh@netbsd/developer/riastradh> has joined #illumos[17:15:53] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[17:18:09] *** aaro1 <aaro1!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:28:01] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@58.209.165.189> has joined #illumos[17:32:49] *** tim-tang <tim-tang!~tim_tang@58.209.165.189> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:47:40] <makruger> tsoome: how do you recommend setting up the disk for UEFI booting?[17:47:55] <makruger> small dos16 partition and the rest solaris2?[17:48:03] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@tmo-100-196.customers.d1-online.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:48:16] <makruger> then install to solaris2?[17:48:31] <tsoome> not exactly.[17:48:41] * makruger thinking something might need to be copied to that small partition though.[17:48:43] <tsoome> you need GPT partition table[17:48:53] <patdk-lap> I don't like efi boot, you make a efi partition, just fat32[17:48:59] <patdk-lap> and put the boot files in a folder[17:49:03] <patdk-lap> seems so strange to me[17:49:08] <tsoome> then you need system partition and usr partition[17:49:18] <tsoome> usr for rpool[17:49:47] <makruger> ok[17:50:24] <makruger> what are you using to create the GPT partition table?[17:50:42] <tsoome> I cant remember if I had zpool update on that demo, check if zpool create does have -B option[17:52:18] <tsoome> and if it has -B and will take size argument;) if it does, you can do zpool create -B 32MB rpool disk[17:54:42] <tsoome> this syntax is for wholedisk setup, so the disk name is without slice[17:55:42] <makruger> ok...I'll try that[17:56:45] <tsoome> or was it 34MB;) for smallest size of fat32;)[17:57:48] <tsoome> it can be smaller, but not all systems like fat16/fat12.[18:21:48] *** wiedi <wiedi!~wiedi@67-157-255-130.dynamic.t-mont.net.pl> has joined #illumos[18:49:25] <patdk-lap> normally recommended 100mb[18:49:41] <tsoome> yep[18:51:34] <tsoome> actually even more, but the actual reasons behind that suggestions are not clear, most certainly its actually vendor specific and depends on how much other tools/apps/data is meant to be stored there.[18:53:53] <tsoome> I can see how FAT implementation in firmware might not support fat12 or fat16 and only support fat32, but I fail to see any reason from firmware developer point of view to *require* insane amounts of unused space in file system reader;)[18:54:29] <tsoome> but then again, the world is large and full of wonders;)[18:56:50] <patdk-lap> heh? microsoft uses like 60mb on it to boot windows[18:57:25] <tsoome> yes, thats exactly about os vendor requirements[18:58:08] <tsoome> and not because they have tiny boot loader, but bunch of components stored and used from system partition[18:59:11] <xenol> well, and it is certainly better to dedicate more space now than to deal with the issue later[18:59:37] <tsoome> yes, definitely so if you are building for multiboot[19:00:23] <xenol> and we are talking about hunders of megabytes, not thousands. You won't even realize you lost some space.[19:00:39] <tsoome> that depends:)[19:01:35] <xenol> well, when we consider servers, you won't realize that ;)[19:01:37] <tsoome> those [embedded] systems with really small boot device…[19:01:51] <xenol> you won't run illumos on those :P[19:05:10] <tsoome> the current loader implementation has split architecture - boot1.efi (which is actually loaded from system partition) is 170k and loader.efi itself is 500k (and is loaded from root file system). So even 1MB is more than enough, even if you choose to have different versions around.[19:08:16] <igork> well, we can boot server from pxe[19:08:25] <igork> with full access to all disks later[19:08:57] <igork> we can provide config file location on one drive[19:09:06] <igork> smartos do it[19:09:12] <tsoome> that too, but thats already quite specific config.[19:09:32] <igork> yes - and we can provide another config location by pxe attribute[19:09:57] <igork> also - we can do it by grub boot attribute[19:10:17] <igork> or another loader[19:10:32] <igork> no need store more files on boot partition[19:10:37] <igork> you need only - just boot[19:10:43] <igork> and operate with another config[19:11:07] <igork> just boot - i mean: to be able mount root device[19:11:22] <tsoome> well, there are different reasons why and how people build those systems.[19:11:31] <igork> yes :)[19:11:40] <igork> it just for example[19:11:52] <igork> how to do mini boot[19:12:10] <igork> like - embedded[19:12:14] <tsoome> as with linux efishim, which is essentially “small” efi program with linux kernel as payload, so you have pretty large blob on your boot partition.[19:12:47] <igork> what is efi benefit?[19:12:50] <tsoome> or like microsoft is loading bunch of efi drivers before actually starting the kernel.[19:13:27] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[19:13:46] <tsoome> the actual benefit is about standardized API you get from firmware.[19:14:11] <tsoome> thats *assuming* it actually is standardized;)[19:14:23] <igork> :)[19:15:37] <tsoome> same as with OpenBoot, how good or sane the API is, is of course another topic:)[19:15:51] <igork> yes[19:19:35] *** aaro1 <aaro1!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[19:22:14] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:22:45] <jamesd_> i LOVE our app team, its like they don't care that the car got stollen, and they left the 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