June 1, 2016 
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June 1, 2016 [00:07:23] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.20.26> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:07:31] <danmcd> Well, look at that.[00:07:47] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.20.26> has joined #illumos[00:07:49] <danmcd> The other question is trickier... do you break any apps with this change?[00:08:11] <nbjoerg> hopefully everything depending on this has been fixed 20 years ago[00:08:12] <danmcd> Remember --> we're mild slaves to autoconf making assumptions that cover both us and Oracle Solaris.[00:08:27] <danmcd> autoconf is ubitquitous poison.[00:08:45] <danmcd> Many modernization changes have been held up because of this. It's a point of some contention here.[00:08:53] <nbjoerg> I know[00:09:03] <rmustacc> Aram: Well that change isn't in illumos yet, so I thought you were asking about it by calling it out.[00:09:08] <nbjoerg> to be fair, it is still better than 80% of the replacements when used properly[00:09:42] <jbk> that's a pretty big qualification though :)[00:09:54] *** gila <gila!~textual@5ED4FE92.cm-7-5d.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:09:58] <rmustacc> nbjoerg: What exactly are you looking from from me?[00:10:12] <Aram> rmustacc: not really, only the message text is the same, the problem has been different.[00:10:23] <nbjoerg> rmustacc: a reviewer or whatever the process demands[00:10:23] <Aram> but of course, when I saw the bug first, I didn't know that.[00:10:28] <Aram> in the end, it was unrelated.[00:10:43] <nbjoerg> this is my first try at getting something anywhere near a Solarisish kernel :)[00:10:50] <rmustacc> nbjoerg: Ah, well, see this: https://www.illumos.org/books/dev/workflow.html#from-build-to-integration[00:11:00] <rmustacc> Past me wrote up what to do in an attempt to help.[00:11:00] <Aram> rmustacc: in any case, I wanted your help to debug it, but I fixed it. sort ot.[00:11:03] <Aram> s/ot/of/[00:11:07] <rmustacc> Aram: Gotcha.[00:11:54] *** esproul <esproul!~Adium@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:12:45] <danmcd> nbjoerg: The code changes themselves look simple and clean enough. It's the *testing* that people are going to ask about.[00:12:48] <rmustacc> nbjoerg: Not particularly familiar with that part of the stack.[00:13:00] <danmcd> I am, fortunately.[00:13:40] <danmcd> IPv6 already has a non-broadcast model. (BTW, which BSD threw out all-0s broadcast?)[00:13:45] <nbjoerg> ok[00:14:12] <nbjoerg> danmcd: 4.2BSD was the last version that used them, IIRC[00:14:24] <nbjoerg> danmcd: after that, it was all-1s everywhere, IIRC[00:14:52] <danmcd> Really? I swear 4.4 had them (even if they were not encouraged).[00:15:03] <nbjoerg> oh, they continued to work for a long time[00:15:29] <nbjoerg> I think all BSDs have an option for supporting it[00:15:33] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@73.204.130.122> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:15:39] <danmcd> That's my point... people have expected them both for a long time.[00:15:41] <nbjoerg> for netbsd, we finally changed the default recently :)[00:15:58] <nbjoerg> on the other hand, windows by default does *not* support them[00:16:02] <danmcd> Exactly.. So NetBSD got rid of 0's broadcast. What about Free or Open?[00:16:13] <nbjoerg> still optional, I think[00:16:21] <danmcd> I never used windows, but I'll trust you.[00:16:43] <danmcd> MacOSX still has all-0s broadcast support, BTW.[00:16:50] <nbjoerg> easiest way to test is to see if a ping for all-zero results in an arp lookup[00:17:11] <nbjoerg> yeah, but noone (sane) uses apple as server[00:17:20] <nbjoerg> and that's where bean counting matters :)[00:17:22] <danmcd> Fair enough.[00:17:43] <nbjoerg> making it an option certainly is not a bad idea[00:17:47] <danmcd> I can imagine Joyent benefitting from that, assuming their networking backbone HW works.[00:17:55] <danmcd> Yes, an ipadm(1M) tunable would be ideal.[00:18:26] <nbjoerg> ipadm is likely too late?[00:21:41] <danmcd> No...[00:23:19] *** mmlb <mmlb!~mmlb@73.204.130.122> has joined #illumos[00:25:08] <nbjoerg> well, it would be somewhat messy to remove the broadcasts afterwards[00:25:09] *** Kelzier <Kelzier!~duka@77.105.20.26> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:28:28] <danmcd> Not if you just unplumb/replumb. ipadm is more than capable of doing this, IIRC.[00:28:52] <nbjoerg> yeah, but that is painful when using smartos :)[00:29:02] <danmcd> True...[00:29:13] <danmcd> Dinnertime US/Eastern. I gotta run. I'll watch this bug, nbjoerg.[00:31:06] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-95-40-138-231.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #illumos[00:33:06] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ujpqflutzytpxgid> has joined #illumos[00:52:46] <leoric> just got clean mail_msg for old libxml2 (2.9.3)[01:03:06] *** adulteratedjedi <adulteratedjedi!~adulterat@host86-132-140-89.range86-132.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:03:16] <Aram> rmustacc: the code is mostly POC right now... but with it, mdb is as useful to Go as it is to C, more or less.[01:03:55] <Aram> unfortunately typed function params in DTrace will not work.[01:04:02] <rmustacc> Why's that?[01:04:29] <Aram> because the Go calling convention is different and DTrace (or mdb) doesn't know where to look for arguments.[01:04:49] <rmustacc> Ah, okay. Not that DTrace isn't finding the types, but that it can't find the arguments.[01:04:57] <Aram> yes.[01:05:13] <rmustacc> Yeah, that's a problem I've been thinking about.[01:05:14] <Aram> for sparc I have a hack that more or less makes this work in mdb, albeit not dtrace.[01:05:37] <Aram> since Go is caller save I can just copy the params from the stack to register, in function preamble.[01:05:49] <Aram> then $C will display correct parameters.[01:06:08] <Aram> but of course DTrace trap happens before the preamble.[01:06:13] <Aram> so this is not useful.[01:06:52] <rmustacc> Right, the thing I was thinking about was having go admit to its abi somehow in an elf header and somehow leveraging that in DTrace.[01:07:51] <Aram> One can get params like (on sparc):[01:07:51] <Aram> #define goarg0 *(long long*)copyin(uregs[R_O6]+0x7ff+176+0, 8)[01:07:51] <Aram> #define goarg1 *(long long*)copyin(uregs[R_O6]+0x7ff+176+8, 8)[01:07:51] <Aram> but then you don't get automatic types. and you have to write all that.[01:08:32] <Aram> well DTraca can presumaby look into using the DWARF that describes where the parameters are.[01:08:35] <Aram> DTrace.[01:08:51] <rmustacc> Well, the DWARF VM in the kernel is probably going to be terrible.[01:09:42] <Aram> well you don't have to execute the code, simply scanning it suffices since the code is trivial. and it can be in userspace.[01:12:42] <Aram> I can do the register-copy hack in the caller instead of callee. it's much harder though, but then both dtrace and mdb will just work.[01:12:48] <Aram> but that will never fly upstream.[01:15:05] <Aram> I could also change the calling convention but that would take a lot of technical effort and lot of convincing.[01:17:00] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@94.9.28.249> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[01:20:45] <rmustacc> Yeah, it's unfortuante it can't just honor the system's abi. Would simplify a lot. :/[01:20:56] <rmustacc> But that ship has probably sailed.[01:21:38] <Aram> well we have done various changes to the calling convention over the years.[01:21:43] <Aram> so it's not set in stone.[01:21:54] <Aram> but convincing others to do this would be difficult.[01:22:38] <Aram> it would have to coincide with another unavoidable breaking change, since this would break all assembly.[01:23:30] <Aram> unfortunately (?) the linux tracing tools are starting to use DWARF, so this does not help us really.[01:25:34] <richlowe> you wouldn't need the DWARF VM[01:25:37] <richlowe> you just need type information.[01:25:50] <richlowe> (for what we use CTF for)[01:26:07] <richlowe> support for the bytecode language would be to avoid save-args[01:26:29] <richlowe> which isn't to say that that subset of dwarf in the kernel would be _easy_, but it's considerably more tractable/less a bad idea.[01:26:30] <Aram> well in the most general case, to find function arguments, you need VM.[01:26:41] <richlowe> right, CTF can't do that. :)[01:26:52] <Aram> sure it can? :).[01:27:32] <richlowe> we expect arguments on the stack in a way we know where to find and/or you to follow the SysV ABI[01:27:45] <Aram> ah, yes, sure.[01:28:14] <richlowe> but just describing types using DWARF rather than CTF would be "easy".[01:28:44] <Aram> yeah, it would not be hard.[01:28:57] <richlowe> though I think a downside is that in some respects, the CTF toolchain isolates us from compilers losing their damn minds.[01:29:14] <richlowe> whereas if our tools spoke DWARF directly, we'd have to be considerably more carefully resilient of terrible compilers with crazy ideas.[01:29:39] <richlowe> or whatever they call SUNWspro these days.[01:29:56] *** nbjoerg <nbjoerg!~joerg@netbsd/developer/joerg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:31:33] <richlowe> that also limits the only real advantage (to us) of using DWARF, as compared to rmustacc's various CTF-everywhere efforts.[01:32:48] <richlowe> (also, the fact rmustacc is willing to do such things, and I'm not helps) :)[01:34:05] <rmustacc> It is problematic that most folks are unwilling to ship their dwarf still.[01:34:14] <rmustacc> Or when you try, start complaining that it's too large.[01:34:18] <rmustacc> And then missing from core dumps, etc.[01:34:28] <rmustacc> Maybe dwarf4 will be amazing, but hard to say.[01:35:17] <Aram> I think go will hit the 32k type limit of ctf.[01:35:40] *** carlomagno <carlomagno!~cmagno@inet-hqmc08-o.oracle.com> has joined #illumos[01:36:03] <rmustacc> Are you emitting multiple dies?[01:36:12] <rmustacc> Or rather converting multiple dies?[01:36:19] <Aram> I am not converting anything.[01:36:28] <Aram> I am generating ctf nativelly, so to speak.[01:36:52] <Aram> there is no dwarf involved in the process.[01:37:10] <Aram> rather, the process sort of mirrors the process of dwarf generation in the go linker.[01:37:33] <rmustacc> Right, so I presume the dwarf generation in the linker generates a die per input object.[01:37:49] <rmustacc> Rather than pretending it's going to merge and uniquify?[01:37:59] <richlowe> rmustacc: I keep meaning to implement the dwarf-in-separate-files stuff in ld.[01:38:13] <richlowe> rmustacc: and seriously considering a strip-y option that removes the bytecode but not the type descriptions.[01:38:19] <richlowe> since that's where most of the potentially horrible sizes are[01:38:33] <richlowe> not that that'll convince people to use -g, and never use strip[01:38:45] <richlowe> honestly, the binutils strip has done far more for us convincing people not to use it :)[01:40:12] <Aram> the architecture is very different, hard to speak of input objects. for all practical purposes, this works as if there was a single input objects.[01:40:29] <Aram> a.i. everythign is packaged as a single compilation unit.[01:41:30] *** rmesta <rmesta!~rmesta@cpe-70-114-131-66.austin.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:41:37] <Aram> (if you use 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I'm eager to be done with http://buildzone.oi-build.r61.net/7018/[11:48:34] *** makruger <makruger!~Michael@c-65-96-193-9.hsd1.vt.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:49:21] *** F4S4K4N <F4S4K4N!~Thunderbi@rrcs-98-102-61-126.central.biz.rr.com> has joined #illumos[11:49:45] <andy_js> alp: Morning. I should be able to give you the results of my testing very soon.[11:49:55] <alp> thanks[11:50:47] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@118.122.250.221> has joined #illumos[11:53:15] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@80.123.201.246> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[11:54:22] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #illumos[12:01:48] *** igork1 <igork1!~igork@static.146.8.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has joined #illumos[12:02:03] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@118.122.250.221> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:04:26] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@118.122.250.221> has joined #illumos[12:04:33] *** igork <igork!~igork@static.146.8.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:05:53] <F4S4K4N> Is there a stance on adding packages to the official repo? For example stuff like dovecot, postfix, etc... I don't mind maintaining as i do it internally anyways.[12:20:00] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:20:06] *** ed209 <ed209!~ed209@165.225.128.67> has joined #illumos[12:23:13] <tomww> F4S4K4N: for which distribution?[12:25:26] <F4S4K4N> Sorry, thought i was in oi-dev. 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I mean, it should do this, no?[14:59:35] <konobi> Aram: https://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Orphan-Sections.html#Orphan-Sections ?[15:00:42] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~Thunderbi@83.150.30.68> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[15:01:48] <Aram> not sure how should I parse that paragraph.[15:01:51] <Aram> I mean, okay.[15:01:57] <Aram> but what can I do about it? :).[15:06:36] *** Knez <Knez!~superenem@privat-54178d65.gavlenet.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:08:20] <konobi> i think you can pick what it does using --orphaned-mode[15:09:17] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@63-10-196-88.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:11:20] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #illumos[15:11:40] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:16:09] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@127-45-71-217.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[15:16:29] *** kohju_ <kohju_!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has joined #illumos[15:17:27] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:20:08] <alp> can I somehow "auto-cstyle" file? :)[15:24:10] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-178-150.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[15:27:14] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-178-150.sd.sd.cox.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:35:53] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #illumos[15:46:15] <alp> of course, 80 lines are readable http://pastebin.com/ywSedvew :)[15:48:29] *** _Tenchi_ <_Tenchi_!~phil@207-255-68-080-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net> has joined #illumos[15:49:24] *** aaro1 <aaro1!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[15:55:52] <trisk> igork: do you mind doing the testing/RTI for the removal of the zfs share vars?[15:56:35] <igork> trisk: yes, because you have your own vision and can do more correct it :)[15:59:52] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:59:54] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@50-93-248-179.fttp.usinternet.com> has joined #illumos[16:00:30] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[16:02:07] *** ira <ira!ira@samba/team/ira> has joined #illumos[16:02:22] *** rmesta <rmesta!~rmesta@cpe-70-114-131-66.austin.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[16:03:50] *** kohju__ <kohju__!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has joined #illumos[16:03:55] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@127-45-71-217.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[16:05:23] *** kohju_ <kohju_!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:08:41] *** kohju__ is now known as kohju[16:12:29] *** livelace <livelace!~livelace@46.101.54.207> has joined #illumos[16:13:20] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@141.255.254.208> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[16:14:27] <alp> people, I've already spent an hour trying to clean up cstyle in usr/src/cmd/isns/isnsadm/isnsadm.c ... Processed 700 lines out of 4000[16:14:50] <alp> should I continue this ungrateful task or report a bug for it and be done with it?[16:20:11] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@2600:8801:8900:3c1:39e4:d493:2477:ef32> has joined #illumos[16:20:34] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.5> has joined #illumos[16:22:38] <igork> alp: you have to check only your updates[16:22:53] <igork> and add message to RTI - others fails not in your changes[16:23:01] <igork> it's works[16:23:09] <alp> OK[16:23:12] <alp> thanks[16:25:12] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~Thunderbi@83.150.30.68> has joined #illumos[16:26:10] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@2600:8801:8900:3c1:39e4:d493:2477:ef32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:27:22] *** mhicks <mhicks!~Adium@ip72-192-178-150.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[16:30:40] *** richardkiene <richardkiene!~richardki@c-71-231-64-31.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #illumos[16:30:48] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #illumos[16:33:33] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:34:27] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:35:10] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.5> has joined #illumos[16:41:15] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@cpe-104-228-216-170.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:43:47] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@220-90-235-80.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #illumos[16:49:30] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:51:53] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[16:52:47] *** daleg <daleg!~daleg@pool-71-163-238-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[16:53:22] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[16:53:36] *** danvatca26 <danvatca26!~danvatca@82.78.203.62> has joined #illumos[16:53:37] *** danardelean <danardelean!~danardele@82.78.203.62> has joined #illumos[16:55:22] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~Thunderbi@83.150.30.68> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[17:05:22] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has quit IRC (Quit: matejz)[17:07:33] *** Knez <Knez!~superenem@privat-54178d65.gavlenet.com> has joined #illumos[17:08:38] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@80.123.201.246> has joined #illumos[17:08:42] *** kohju_ <kohju_!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has joined #illumos[17:11:25] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:12:18] *** kohju_ is now known as kohju[17:16:41] *** mariusp_ <mariusp_!~mariusp@193.231.126.3> has quit IRC ()[17:20:13] *** tozhu <tozhu!~Thunderbi@218.88.85.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[17:22:19] *** KermitTheFragger <KermitTheFragger!~KermitThe@ip-80-113-23-178.ip.prioritytelecom.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:24:39] *** anniz <anniz!~anniz@c83-250-15-118.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #illumos[17:29:36] *** Toasterson <Toasterson!~Thunderbi@2a02:aa10:e101:3900:d27e:35ff:fe7f:1d72> has joined #illumos[17:36:08] <richlowe> we like you to clean up _reasonable_ amounts of cstyle noise in files you touch.[17:36:14] <richlowe> You get to define "reasonable"[17:43:39] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #illumos[17:55:30] *** kohju_ <kohju_!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has joined #illumos[17:56:51] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:05:12] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@2602:304:b361:69e0:4d8e:aedf:a9ad:bf9a> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:05:24] *** slx86 <slx86!~Thunderbi@80.123.201.246> has quit IRC (Quit: slx86)[18:10:32] *** dap_ <dap_!~dap@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[18:16:47] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 6931 lib/libzfs: cleanup gcc warnings -- Igor Kozhukhov <ikozhukhov at gmail dot com>[18:31:48] *** aaro <aaro!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has joined #illumos[18:34:11] *** aaro1 <aaro1!~aaro@unaffiliated/xyox/x-040147> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:37:32] *** kohju_ is now known as kohju[18:43:48] *** leoric <leoric!~leoric@46.147.115.160> has joined #illumos[18:52:53] *** melloc <melloc!~melloc@208.184.5.170> has joined #illumos[18:58:12] *** bahamat <bahamat!~bahamat@ip72-199-207-63.sd.sd.cox.net> has joined #illumos[19:01:22] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@50-93-248-179.fttp.usinternet.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[19:05:25] <igork> hi all, can someone try to check on latest illumos - https://www.illumos.org/issues/7026[19:06:21] <igork> i have tested in on kvm vm with custom smartos build on smartos host[19:06:34] <Woodstock> igork: what happens if you use a different name than testpool for the 1st pool?[19:06:34] <igork> i have 4 virtio drives on kvm vm[19:06:56] <igork> i didn't test another pool name - i try to look zfs tests[19:07:26] <Woodstock> try it again[19:07:35] <Woodstock> create foopool and barpool, with the same devices[19:07:36] <igork> Woodstock: https://paste.ec/paste/Mq4Ef-GO#aeHKLCY6FWrb6KOruUUrolRetRU7D-7LFBDV7jTMeFL[19:07:49] <igork> it is another test[19:07:49] <Woodstock> the error message doesn't really look like it has anything to do with the pool name[19:08:05] <Woodstock> more like there is some confusion what c3t0d0 and c4t0d0 are[19:08:07] <igork> where tespool.123 and testpool1.123 was tries[19:08:21] <igork> no confusion[19:08:36] <igork> they are different drives[19:08:45] <Woodstock> please try "zpool create foopool c4t0d0 && zpool create barpool c3t0d0" and tell me what happens[19:08:47] <igork> and i can create mirror on it[19:08:53] <igork> ok[19:08:58] <igork> one moment[19:09:02] *** esoel_ <esoel_!~esoel_@194.168.210.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:09:38] <igork> [root@test-zfs ~]# zpool create barpool c3t0d0[19:09:38] <igork> invalid vdev specification[19:09:38] <igork> use '-f' to override the following errors:[19:09:38] <igork> /dev/dsk/c4t0d0s0 is part of active ZFS pool testpool. Please see zpool(1M).[19:09:50] *** ira <ira!ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:10:00] <igork> as you can see - i try create barpool[19:10:09] <igork> barpool != testpool[19:10:32] <richlowe> it's not telling you the same, it's telling you it thinks the device is already in testpool.[19:11:05] <igork> https://paste.ec/paste/Dpl0jWtW#krJqNYxaL0mPI5byNHQJswwK1hW+wbSGxLbJ+QWTrWr[19:11:10] <igork> it's not true[19:11:13] <Woodstock> so it's not about testpool vs testpool1[19:11:19] <igork> yes[19:11:22] <igork> i see[19:11:32] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wandhlsitwrfxpko> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:11:39] *** ira <ira!ira@samba/team/ira> has joined #illumos[19:11:49] <Woodstock> it's about "why does zfs think a device is part of a pool when it is not?"[19:11:54] <igork> but - as you can see - i have no c3t0d0 vdev in zpool[19:12:44] <Woodstock> i see that[19:12:47] <igork> format - https://paste.ec/paste/Rv1dF1Zf#0noyaj0J71+hR8unPJl5eCjoboI0CdFvGmcrZ+THApZ[19:12:54] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epckzpxgnkmbbrgz> has joined #illumos[19:13:01] <Woodstock> i suggest you first change the bug synopsis to match reality[19:13:05] <Woodstock> then you start debugging it :)[19:13:06] <igork> interest - c3t0d0 has VTOC label[19:13:14] <igork> :)[19:13:25] <igork> ok - what will be correct synopsis ?[19:13:26] <Woodstock> i would start with ls -l /dev/*dsk/c[34]t0d0*[19:14:34] <igork> https://paste.ec/paste/X54JdrtK#IflcQ0oZCXwDVAqWZaPU7jTx3s4EZEP0Tj1ARtWmQqp[19:15:21] <Woodstock> hm ok[19:15:53] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@67-207-110-172.static.wiline.com> has joined #illumos[19:15:54] <Woodstock> next i would suggest you look at prtconf -Dv output to find the devids of your blkdev devices[19:15:57] <igork> huh - i see[19:16:05] <Woodstock> maybe there is a simpler way than prtconf, but i don't know it[19:16:15] <Woodstock> but i could imagine that they are all the same[19:16:36] <igork> i have no found c3t0d0[19:16:43] <Woodstock> thats definitely not the problem[19:16:44] <igork> interest[19:17:06] <Woodstock> can you please check the devids?[19:17:37] <igork> how?[19:17:42] <Woodstock> prtconf -Dv[19:17:51] <Woodstock> then look for a devid property on the blkdevs[19:18:14] <igork> prtconf -dD - https://paste.ec/paste/s+TBP7s8#44o8SneGulEyEyOy8qrMt2oHWdtiiakT6Ny571lmj++[19:18:18] <igork> will see -Dv[19:18:37] <igork> but i see it by -dD[19:18:50] <igork> we can see 4 vioblk[19:19:20] <igork> with correct addresses[19:19:46] <Woodstock> there is a reason why i asked for -Dv[19:19:52] <igork> ok[19:19:57] <Woodstock> so please, look at the prtconf -Dv output[19:20:06] <Woodstock> and find the devid properties of the virtio blkdevs[19:22:48] <igork> https://paste.ec/paste/wBlocTvo#dc3uihn77o0Pg+oqySwHg1HwB7Ft+aWzCyZ+bcykpmp[19:23:25] *** Alek <Alek!~Alek@67-207-110-172.static.wiline.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:24:53] <Woodstock> id1,kdev@A~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[19:25:04] <igork> Woodstock: you think we have issue in blkdev ?[19:25:08] <Woodstock> so thats your problem. as such your bug synopsis should be "virtio should create unique devids"[19:25:23] <Woodstock> that is, s/virtio/vioblk/[19:25:40] <igork> huh[19:26:12] <igork> cool - we have found issue in blkdev by zfs tests on kvm vm with virtio drives![19:26:28] <Woodstock> it's actually an issue in vioblk, not blkdev[19:26:46] <igork> vioblk, sorry[19:27:02] <Woodstock> will you try to fix it yourself?[19:27:07] <igork> can you update bug?[19:27:20] <igork> nope - i'd like if you can fix it[19:27:27] <igork> and i can check/test it[19:27:32] <igork> on my env with zfs tests[19:28:23] <igork> i'm working on some zfs changes upstream from delphix tree and try to fix current one - not in my list[19:29:34] <Woodstock> actually i'm not sure it's so trivial to fix[19:29:42] <igork> ok[19:29:47] <Woodstock> but what you can do is to pass unique serial numbers to qemu for each of your block devices[19:30:17] <igork> o cam try to switch to use ide or scsi instead of virtio at this moment[19:30:23] <Woodstock> for my kvm instances i use zvols and generate the serial numbers from the "creation" property[19:30:34] <Woodstock> just adding the serial numbers should fix it[19:30:39] <igork> could you paste your example?[19:30:50] <igork> i can try fix it[19:31:21] <igork> are you using smartos with kvm?[19:31:42] <igork> vmadm get <id> will be fine[19:32:28] <Woodstock> i don't use smartos, so no vmadm[19:32:32] *** pmooney <pmooney!~pmooney@173-11-44-141-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #illumos[19:32:33] <Woodstock> i have a custom kvm shell script[19:32:38] <Woodstock> here's the excerpt: http://paste.lisp.org/display/317251[19:33:00] <igork> thanks![19:33:10] <Woodstock> the interesting part is the serial=xxxx part in the -drive spec[19:33:23] <Woodstock> and i get that from the creation property of the zvol[19:33:24] <igork> i see[19:33:50] <igork> will see how to pass it to kvm zone on smartos[19:37:02] *** kohju_ <kohju_!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has joined #illumos[19:38:46] *** kohju <kohju!~kohju@p204.net088.tokai.or.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:40:50] *** ira <ira!ira@samba/team/ira> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:45:30] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:47:31] <igork> well, smartos kvm is not using 'serial' in property to drive[19:47:44] <Woodstock> perhaps it should start doing so[19:51:34] *** kohju_ is now known as kohju[19:57:59] <LeftWing> I don't imagine it's a completely simple change.[19:58:32] <LeftWing> I imagine some operating systems (like ours) could become confused if the devid for a device changes.[19:58:47] <LeftWing> (Or whatever their notion of unique drive identification is)[19:59:14] <LeftWing> There's also the challenge of what to do about image management -- i.e. making new VMs from clones of existing ones.[19:59:18] *** merzo <merzo!~merzo@user-94-45-58-141.skif.com.ua> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:59:54] <LeftWing> If a VM had a ZFS root, and we cloned it but gave it a new "serial", would that prevent it from booting in the clone?[20:00:04] <Woodstock> i have no idea :)[20:00:53] <Woodstock> i would expect the serial should stay the same in a clone, which likely means you cannot use the creation property as i do in my kvm script[20:02:15] <Woodstock> and i don't think you want to add the serial to existing VMs, so setting it would probably be optional or for new VMs only[20:02:32] <LeftWing> Right.[20:02:41] <Woodstock> but then i have used smartos only briefly and don't know a lot about it :)[20:04:27] <Woodstock> fixing 7026 properly could be an issue for anyone already running illumos in kvm with vioblk, as the devids would certainly change[20:05:55] <gitomat> [illumos-gate] 7001 zvol_misc tests should not depend on /sbin or /usr/sbin being in PATH -- Hans Rosenfeld <hans.rosenfeld at nexenta dot com>[20:06:30] *** danmcd <danmcd!~danmcd@static-71-174-113-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net> has joined #illumos[20:07:05] *** Kassandry <Kassandry!~kassandry@162.247.40.130> has joined #illumos[20:08:10] <Woodstock> danmcd: thanks :)[20:08:12] *** evanl <evanl!~Adium@108.161.22.132> has joined #illumos[20:09:14] <danmcd> NP. Shit keeps popping up. Whether it's a latent bug that a bugfix fixed (yes say that three times fast), or finding out I'm still mildly blocked on an external dependency.[20:09:42] <igork> another issue - if you have virtio disk on VM and change it to use IDE - you can't boot[20:09:46] <danmcd> And the latent bug that a bugfix fixed is an omnios-build one. The mild blocking is on upstream -gate.[20:09:51] <richlowe> that doesn't sound unexpected.[20:10:48] <daleg> stupid question out of curiosity[20:10:59] <richlowe> stupid answer, sarcastically.[20:11:28] <daleg> given modern hardware, what are the use cases for non-MSI-X interrupt processing in a driver? (eg, legacy or MSI)[20:12:20] <richlowe> with modern hardware as a given, I'm not sure.[20:12:27] <richlowe> I think assuming it is pushing things, though.[20:13:17] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[20:13:51] <LeftWing> You should at least support MSI.[20:13:56] <daleg> yeah, the context is in the general sense[20:14:16] <LeftWing> But running under some virtualised environments, for instance, we might not currently get anything but fixed interrupts.[20:14:26] <daleg> true[20:14:36] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #illumos[20:14:39] <LeftWing> (Some of that is our fault, but still.)[20:15:11] <LeftWing> I think ultimately you need to be able to work when only given a single firing that might not be for you.[20:15:37] <LeftWing> Because even if you get an MSI-X interrupt, you might only get one.[20:15:53] <LeftWing> At which point the structure for supporting fixed interrupts is really not much of a stretch.[20:16:22] <LeftWing> I would say that you _can_, at this point, punt on dealing with "high level" interrupts -- i.e. fail to attach if you are given something above LOCK_LEVEL.[20:16:43] <daleg> this was just an idle question in my mind as I try to figure out how x550 is different from the other ixgbe devices when it comes to legacy and MSI[20:17:04] *** matejz <matejz!~matejz@element.planetq.org> has joined #illumos[20:17:07] <richlowe> LeftWing: doesn't pretty much everyone do that anyway?[20:17:29] <LeftWing> richlowe: Yes, but if you read some of the older materials it still talks about the two-level approach.[20:17:31] <richlowe> I seem to think that WDD as said to do that for approximately ever.[20:17:57] <LeftWing> I feel like WDD pushes you toward doing the two-level hard/soft pair.[20:18:04] <LeftWing> But I might have read an old copy.[20:18:13] <richlowe> my memory says you read a _really_ old copy, if that's the case[20:18:22] <richlowe> or I read something other than WDD and am conflating.[20:18:38] <LeftWing> Regardless: no longer really needed on any platform we have.[20:18:49] *** evanl <evanl!~Adium@108.161.22.132> has left #illumos[20:18:56] <richlowe> LeftWing: a brave statement![20:19:09] <richlowe> given everything else it applies to people find ways to argue with :)[20:19:36] <LeftWing> I think that being able to legitimately disagree on this point is probably tantamount to adopting maintenance of the less interesting platforms. :P[20:19:41] <richlowe> charitably, I'd say about 30% of usr/src/uts isn't needed on any real platform we have :)[20:22:42] <rmustacc> daleg: You need it because you can run out of interrupts.[20:23:01] <rmustacc> Put enough devices into the system and they can't all get MSI-X interrupts.[20:23:04] <rmustacc> Or even MSIs.[20:23:13] <rmustacc> So yes, you should make sure that the devices always support fixed interrupts.[20:32:54] *** jfqd1 <jfqd1!~Adium@pD95D754F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: 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