January 16, 2017 
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It seems to be to get the word Flash away from it[01:53:45] <TestSubject06> since a lot of people were confused about using a flash editor as the best Haxe editor around[01:53:52] *** Aduros <Aduros!~bruno@unaffiliated/aduros> has joined #haxe[01:59:35] <ProPuke> yeah[02:00:10] <ProPuke> I've never actually used flashdevelop so I've no idea how good or (ir)relevant it already is[02:02:48] <ProPuke> but they might make changes in the future, and as it has its own install id haxedevelop users will get those changes in update, or whatever[02:02:58] <ProPuke> so even if there's no changes now, it makes sense to have it split in case some come in the future[02:06:46] *** kaikoga <kaikoga!~kaikoga@124x37x248x42.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp> has joined #haxe[02:08:02] *** Aurel300 <Aurel300!~Aurel300@cpc12-slam5-2-0-cust327.2-4.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)[02:20:49] *** Gama11 <Gama11!~quassel@pD9F90A8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the 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<slickrockio!~nodebot@ec2-54-224-145-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haxe[14:21:40] *** RobDangerousMob1 <RobDangerousMob1!~Thunderbi@gatekeeper.kom.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> has joined #haxe[14:24:48] *** RobDangerousMobi <RobDangerousMobi!~Thunderbi@2001:41b8:83f:2008:5531:d676:7ca5:888d> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:37:13] <Zack_> hey Haxe folks[14:37:29] <Zack_> I just did a fresh install of everything and now I can't build on windows target[14:37:49] <Zack_> it says something about not finding MSVC variables[14:37:53] <Zack_> and halts the build[14:38:28] <Zack_> Which doesn't make any sense because I can build for windows on my desktop, and it's never had MSVC installed[14:39:42] <Zack_> Am I missing something?[14:39:59] <Simn> How do you want to compile your C++?[14:40:47] <Zack_> That's a good question. I sort of thought it used gcc under the hood[14:42:02] <Zack_> wait what the fuck, nevermind... I hace VS2010 express installed on my desktop[14:42:11] <Zack_> when did that get there[14:42:46] <PSvils> Zack_: you probably installed it in the heat of getting haxe/hxcpp setup :D[14:42:50] <Zack_> Do I need to have 2010 installed, or can I use the new '''community''' version[14:42:58] <PSvils> you can use the Community version[14:43:04] <Zack_> cool[14:43:07] <PSvils> I haxe 2015 installed.[14:43:20] <PSvils> and I think you can use 2017 now as well.[14:43:51] <Simn> I don't know why hxcpp doesn't pick your MSVC up though.[14:44:02] <Simn> I thought that "just works" usually.[14:44:08] <Zack_> I didn't have one installed on my laptop[14:44:16] <Zack_> I think a script installed the 2010 on my desktop[14:44:26] <Simn> Ah it's a different machine, I see.[14:44:58] <Zack_> on linux it definitely just picks up gcc and runs with it[14:45:15] <Simn> Well, you need a C++ compiler to compile C++. :D[14:45:25] <Zack_> Yeah, that makes perfect sense[14:45:35] <Zack_> Maybe it should be added to the software lists for HaxeDevelop's installer[14:45:55] <Zack_> it never mentioned that. It did mention that I needed a Java JRE[14:46:52] <Simn> That's the problem with Haxe's many targets, we don't want to install every possible toolchain required.[14:46:59] <Simn> Else you'd get ruby and python and whatnot.[14:47:36] <Zack_> hmm. Maybe just mention something if you install that part of the toolchain through haxelib?[14:48:01] <Simn> It should be enough to make the error explicit.[14:48:14] <Simn> Something like "Could not find C++ compiler" would be fine.[14:48:19] <Simn> Instead of whatever it's outputting now.[14:48:23] <Zack_> Nah the error took me a few minutes to riddle out[14:48:25] <PSvils> it could indeed be part of the hxcpp install script / a command. but I think it's good to be aware it's using MSVC under the hood. Helps with debugging.[14:48:37] <Zack_> right now it just says it couldn't automatically set up Visual Studio[14:48:44] <Zack_> doesn't really say why it was trying to[14:49:10] <Zack_> So my other question[14:49:21] <Zack_> once I get this building - how do I hook a debugger into it?[14:49:35] <Zack_> usually wen I get a null pointer or some other exception the app just crashes out instantly[14:49:49] <Zack_> and I have to switch to flash to find out what happened[14:50:46] <RobDangerousMob1> You can attach to a running process in Visual Studio. Or, if you use Kha, you can just open the generated Visual Studio project.[14:51:11] *** slickrockio <slickrockio!~nodebot@ec2-54-224-145-136.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:51:55] <ProPuke> Commonly I'll test stuff in neko, which compiles really fast, and catches things like null pointers at runtime with useful stacktraces (and only jump to C++ for "final" tests). But otherwise you can connect a regular system debugger to the executable as you would with C++[14:52:47] <Zack_> You think it would be worth it to implement a super rudimentary crash reporter? Wrap the whole app in a try/catch and dump the error into a file[14:52:59] <Zack_> so I at least have a direction to look in[14:53:14] <Zack_> How much information to exceptions have in Haxe?[14:57:25] <PSvils> Zack_: in debug mode you should be getting some useful errors on crashes usually.[14:57:39] <PSvils> and I hook in the app with VS debugger, which is why I think it's useful to have it, and know you have it.[14:57:44] <PSvils> nice debugging with it.[14:59:40] *** RobDangerousMob1 <RobDangerousMob1!~Thunderbi@gatekeeper.kom.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:03:33] *** stryx` <stryx`!~stryx@unaffiliated/stryx/x-3871776> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:04:51] *** RobDangerousMobi <RobDangerousMobi!~Thunderbi@gatekeeper.kom.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> has joined #haxe[15:07:05] *** stryx` <stryx`!~stryx@unaffiliated/stryx/x-3871776> has joined #haxe[15:08:04] <ProPuke> Zack_: If you build with HXCPP_STACK_TRACE defined then you can use CallStack::exceptionStack() to get the stacktrace of the last exception, after catching[15:11:35] <ProPuke> RobDangerousMobi: Does that sourcemap back to haxe?[15:15:20] *** Aduros <Aduros!~bruno@unaffiliated/aduros> has joined #haxe[15:18:03] <Zack_> Reading the docs, it says that exceptionStack() captures the stack between the place the exception was thrown and where it was caught[15:18:11] <Zack_> which doesn't sound like the information I'd want[15:18:35] <Zack_> well.. actually[15:18:59] <Zack_> I guess that would originate with the exception and bubble up... which I guess sounds like exactly what I would want[15:19:10] <Zack_> it would show the whole path to failure[15:19:25] <Zack_> god why does vs take 2 and a half centuries to install[15:22:21] <ProPuke> heh[15:24:47] *** AndyLi[m] <AndyLi[m]!andylimatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jndnlkkegjmlbkez> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:30:38] *** RobDangerousMobi <RobDangerousMobi!~Thunderbi@gatekeeper.kom.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:31:59] *** RobDangerousMobi <RobDangerousMobi!~Thunderbi@2001:41b8:83f:200c:f8d2:9808:599f:7abc> has joined #haxe[15:35:48] <ibilon> Zack_: because it's 120 terabytes :p[15:38:41] <ibilon> joke aside it really is a huge install, had to resize my windows vm for it, can't fit windows + vs on 20Gb[15:40:04] <Zack_> completely unnecessary[15:40:37] <ibilon> pretty sure installing cygwin+gcc takes less space, hell a full linux capable of compiling c++ takes less space than vs ...[15:41:53] <ibilon> what do they put in there[15:44:07] <ProPuke> Zack_: You know you can debug it in vscode or atom instead, right?[15:44:33] <ProPuke> or whatever else[15:46:40] <Zack_> I didn't know that[15:46:47] <Zack_> I thought I needed VS for hxcpp to compile things[15:47:33] <ProPuke> ohh[15:48:07] <ProPuke> you might need *something* special in windows. Sorry, forgot about that[15:49:51] <ProPuke> I think I might just be using mingw in windows[15:50:13] <Zack_> and now it's finished installing[15:50:17] <Zack_> almost an hour and a half[15:57:10] *** AndyLi[m] <AndyLi[m]!andylimatr@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-bzavirfwrroyirli> has joined #haxe[16:13:00] *** mr_pinc <mr_pinc!~mrpinc@65.90.67.4> has joined #haxe[16:18:20] *** kaikoga <kaikoga!~kaikoga@nttkyo224021.tkyo.nt.ngn2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp> has joined #haxe[16:30:17] *** cdg <cdg!~cdg@2602:30a:2e2d:b980:110d:499a:3b6a:5059> has joined #haxe[16:33:13] *** cdg <cdg!~cdg@2602:30a:2e2d:b980:110d:499a:3b6a:5059> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:33:49] *** cdg <cdg!~cdg@162-226-219-152.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haxe[16:34:01] *** jamtho <jamtho!~jamtho@cpc69399-oxfd27-2-0-cust935.4-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haxe[16:47:25] *** Aduros <Aduros!~bruno@unaffiliated/aduros> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:48:20] *** Aduros 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<deltaluca!~luca@cpc112687-nmal22-2-0-cust234.19-2.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haxe[19:40:47] *** TestSubject06 <TestSubject06!~Zack@2601:c8:4101:3400:e0ef:f795:ad02:eca6> has joined #haxe[19:47:03] <TestSubject06> ooohh[19:47:11] <TestSubject06> I know how VC2010 got installed[19:47:28] <TestSubject06> it was installed through the haxelib run lime setup windows command[19:52:30] <ProPuke> Ahh[19:52:39] <TestSubject06> Also[19:52:51] *** stryx` <stryx`!~stryx@unaffiliated/stryx/x-3871776> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:53:06] <TestSubject06> hxcpp does not work with VS2017 community[19:53:19] <TestSubject06> it fails on something called cl.exe[19:53:27] <TestSubject06> and dies a slow horrible death[19:53:38] <Simn> That's the compiler[19:53:46] <Simn> What error does it give?[19:54:05] <TestSubject06> 'cl.exe' is not a recognized internal or external command blah blah[19:54:27] <Simn> That means your setup is somehow incomplete.[19:55:40] *** PSvils <PSvils!~PDevelope@88.135.146.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[19:57:02] *** slickrockio <slickrockio!~nodebot@ec2-54-159-225-3.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:58:12] *** stryx` <stryx`!~stryx@unaffiliated/stryx/x-3871776> has joined #haxe[19:59:53] <ibilon> did you reboot after the install?[20:00:52] <Simn> You don't have to reboot, but you might have to restart your IDE/terminal so environment vars get updated.[20:01:46] *** JensG <JensG!~JensG@i59F6B5CF.versanet.de> has joined #haxe[20:01:47] *** JensG <JensG!~JensG@i59F6B5CF.versanet.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:01:47] *** JensG <JensG!~JensG@apache/committer/jensg> has joined #haxe[20:01:58] <TestSubject06> I'm manually updating my path[20:02:05] <TestSubject06> one piece at a time[20:03:07] <Simn> I guess https://github.com/HaxeFoundation/hxcpp/blob/master/toolchain/msvc-setup.bat needs an update.[20:11:41] <TestSubject06> ARE YOU FUCKKIN[20:11:42] <TestSubject06> AAA[20:11:55] <TestSubject06> VS2017 Community does NOT come with C++.[20:12:07] <TestSubject06> you have to run it and install it separately.[20:15:46] <TestSubject06> oh wait[20:15:50] <TestSubject06> it seems this is 2015 community[20:15:56] <TestSubject06> but the website said 17..[20:16:00] <TestSubject06> I guess I read it wrong.[20:16:13] <TestSubject06> the point stands, how can VS not incLUDE C++!?[20:16:38] <ibilon> you could use it only for c# for instance[20:17:11] <ibilon> but then one can wonder why it needed so much space/time to install if it didn't include the c++ packages[20:17:56] <fooblaz> yeah it is a pain[20:18:54] <fooblaz> one nice thing is once installed you can use the Developer Command Prompt, which will have all the correct paths setup[20:19:49] <Simn> That's just a matter of calling vsvarsall.bat though.[20:20:05] <Simn> Err, vcvarsall[20:20:26] <fooblaz> yeah[20:20:41] <fooblaz> i just found it easier in some cases[20:20:50] <TestSubject06> how[20:20:52] <TestSubject06> in the fuck[20:20:55] <TestSubject06> is C++ 5 GB[20:21:12] <fooblaz> ^ ikr[20:21:16] <TestSubject06> what has microsoft been feeding it[20:21:31] <TestSubject06> what was the 8GB I installed earlier then?[20:21:42] <TestSubject06> 8GB of Javascript '''compilers'''[20:21:54] *** PSvils <PSvils!~PDevelope@balticom-135-109.balticom.lv> has joined #haxe[20:45:19] *** SomeT <SomeT!~SomeT@31.205.90.77> has joined #haxe[20:45:21] <SomeT> Hi, from lines 155 to 166 at: https://hastebin.com/obiweqipor.hx and the blocks circled in red at: http://pasteboard.co/mB9fQO0Df.png (haxe and stencyl) my code is not working, where I want it to add a row of tiles (which should be the opposite of the function below???) but it does not seem to work, I really cannot figure out why, does anyone have any idea how I can fix this?[21:07:54] *** TestSubject06 <TestSubject06!~Zack@2601:c8:4101:3400:e0ef:f795:ad02:eca6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:13:23] *** SomeT 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