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[07:46:19] <Begasus> g'morning peeps
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[09:44:53] <nepugia> Hoi
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[09:53:36] <Begasus_64> hi nepugia :)
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[10:49:05] <gingi> hello
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[11:11:03] <Begasus> poppler still doesn't build for me on x86_64
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[11:23:13] <handicraftsman> Wow, somebody is testing gtk4 on haiku
[11:23:15] <handicraftsman> * gtk3
[11:25:42] <return0e_> handicraftsman: Is there a link to this discussion?
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[11:27:22] <return0e_> Or is it the port of gtk broadway running on Haiku rather than using the Haiku API?
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[12:37:03] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JeiUm
[12:37:05] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli b27ea86 - glib2: python3 required for at least glib-mkenums
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[13:19:12] <Begasus> for some reason glib2 won't update on gcc2h ...
[13:19:29] <Begasus> and still on 2.57.1-2 there ...
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[15:55:20] <return0e_> Anyone used buildbot-worker on a Haiku install?
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[16:06:56] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/Jeit5
[16:06:57] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] return ed0fcc6 - pip: bump version to 19.3.1 (#4399)
[16:11:17] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±1] https://git.io/JeitF
[16:11:19] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] bach5000 e5a76d6 - Drawpile: add an icon (#3310)
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[16:38:35] <B2IT> (Dane64) hi Larry
[16:38:41] <B2IT> (ttuser) hi
[16:40:54] <handicraftsman> Hello, are there any ways to add some padding/margin to an element?
[16:41:00] <handicraftsman> Cannot find in haiku book
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[17:16:10] <nepugia> The KDL shortcut is alt print D right?
[17:16:32] <nepugia> I have a laptop i tried to run a nightly via usb on, but i just get a black screen
[17:16:44] <nepugia> and atleast with that shortcut i can't invoke KDL to see what is going on
[17:17:09] <humdinger> correct.
[17:17:19] <humdinger> maybe intel_extreme chipset?
[17:18:30] <nepugia> possibly
[17:18:39] <nepugia> all boot icons lit up anyhow
[17:18:48] <nepugia> so atleast that video mode worked correctly
[17:18:58] <nepugia> I suppose i can try booting with various safe options
[17:19:00] <humdinger> try video safe mode from the boot options
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[17:21:35] <nepugia> humdinger, works with failsafe VESA graphics
[17:22:21] <humdinger> good. you can make it permanent in /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel
[17:23:35] <nepugia> that's no fun :)
[17:24:11] <Begasus> blacklist the thing :)
[17:24:34] <nepugia> Nah, that isnt usefull for a thumb drive boot :)
[17:24:42] <nepugia> I would much rather prepare a bug report :P
[17:25:34] <Begasus> that could be handy too :)
[17:26:11] <nepugia> what was the command to list PCI hardware?
[17:26:23] <Begasus> lsdev?
[17:26:52] <humdinger> listdev
[17:26:54] <Begas_VBox> nope
[17:27:16] <Begas_VBox> :)
[17:28:04] <nepugia> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[17:28:07] <nepugia> So intel indeed
[17:28:23] <nepugia> dunno if the intel_extreme driver is the one that is responsible, but whatever
[17:29:23] <Begasus> you could check by blacklisting the driver to see if it boots without safe mode
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[17:29:49] <Begasus> if so, you can revert the blacklist and work from there
[17:31:26] <nepugia> it should be apparant from the syslog no?
[17:31:44] <nepugia> in which case i will just move it or delete it, provoke a failed boot, and then a working one
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[17:31:49] <nepugia> and include the syslog :)
[17:33:12] <Begasus> enough bug hunting for today, closed down the other laptop
[17:33:19] <Begasus> time for the dogs :)
[17:33:36] * humdinger throws a bone
[17:34:19] <nepugia> bugs never sleep, bugs never rest! :)
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[17:41:42] <nepugia> alright, have the syslog and listdev, just need to copy it from my drive later to post it
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[17:41:50] <nepugia> and maybe dig up what the laptops pretty name is
[17:47:00] <PulkoMandy> yes, that would be intel_extreme, and indeed the support for new devices has broken old ones
[17:47:09] <PulkoMandy> and I don't own old hardware anymore to investigate these
[17:47:27] <PulkoMandy> (well I do but it's my web/mailserver now so I can't unplug it easily to test haiku on it)
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[17:48:27] <nepugia> PulkoMandy, I am happy to test with hardware i have here :)
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[17:49:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, but debugging these things requires sitting in front of the computer and some time to investigate things
[17:49:59] <PulkoMandy> so, unless we meet at a coding sprint or so, it's difficult
[17:50:36] <nepugia> Well, i will atleast be at Fosdem, don't think that i will be at the afterparty thing though
[17:51:00] <nepugia> though fosdem itself is obviously boiled down with other things..
[17:51:24] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's usually quite busy
[17:51:56] <PulkoMandy> but you can always leave your computer at the haiku booth for the weekend and see what happens :)
[17:58:39] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 4 commits to master [+6/-6/±0] https://git.io/JeiYD
[17:58:40] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9bb9168 - ansiweather: bump version.
[17:58:41] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 62f2334 - aria2: bump version.
[17:58:43] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 18244b5 - faac: bump version.
[17:58:45] <Not-def6> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 7e5035e - faad2: bump version.
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[18:10:45] <Begasus> Realy should attend Fosdem atleast once :)
[18:15:28] <nepugia> Indeed
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