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[00:06:53] <probono> are there any podcasts about haiku?
[00:16:36] <waddlesplash> probono: your ticket is invalid: PoorMan exists :)
[00:25:02] <probono> err, what, where?
[00:25:23] <probono> i see
[00:25:35] <probono> it's not where it naturally belongs in the UI
[00:25:38] <probono> where the other servers are
[00:26:01] <probono> what do people think of https://github.com/humdingerb/quicklaunch/issues/34?
[00:32:13] <waddlesplash> probono: right. maybe we should make the ticket about that instead
[00:32:58] <probono> yes, feel free to move/rename
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[00:56:58] <B2IT> (pete) Talking about PoorMan -- what ever hapened to RobinHood? I don't see it around anywhere obvious. It was GPL -- has the source been lost?
[00:58:17] <Vidrep_64> Hi pete
[00:59:32] <Vidrep_64> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/RobinHood
[01:00:50] <probono> how does one configure "autostart" in haiku?
[01:03:03] <Vidrep_64> probono, /boot/home/config/settings/boot/userbootscript
[01:05:28] <probono> thank you
[01:05:48] <probono> boot/home/config/settings/boot/user/launch was what I am searching
[01:07:24] <waddlesplash> probono: the launch path is what you want
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[01:08:30] <probono> is cmedia usb audio functional?
[01:08:36] <probono> or usb audio in general?
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[01:09:21] <B2IT> (pete) Vidrep_64 -- thanks. Never could figure out how to search HaikuArchives. Just shows me one page (randomly ordered!)
[01:10:17] * probono wants to install *all* of HaikuPorts
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[01:13:34] <probono> can antive-feeling GUI apps be written in Python?
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[01:28:45] <waddlesplash> probono: there are bindings, yes
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[02:59:29] <stargater> hi
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[04:03:10] <waddlesplash> probono: really, I'm not sure who the target audience of your switchers package is... :p
[04:03:29] <waddlesplash> most people are fine learning a new CLI. At least you don't see apt shims on centos, say.
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[04:06:35] <probono_haiku> waddlesplash, turns out my absymal performance in the first week was due to ACPI
[04:06:42] <waddlesplash> aha
[04:06:44] <probono_haiku> when I disable it - it's a whole different OS
[04:06:48] <waddlesplash> yeah
[04:06:50] <waddlesplash> :)
[04:06:53] <probono_haiku> I can type in WebPositive without lag now!
[04:07:03] <waddlesplash> see, we are not so bad after all
[04:07:11] <probono_haiku> i knew something was fishy because other people described haiku as "fast"
[04:07:21] <probono_haiku> something i could absolutely not confirm so far
[04:07:31] <probono_haiku> 2 questions:
[04:07:40] <probono_haiku> 1. can i permanently disable ACPI?
[04:07:51] <probono_haiku> 2. can the bootloader load a fixed ACPI table if I make one?
[04:08:30] <waddlesplash> 1. yes, in the kernel settings file
[04:08:55] <waddlesplash> 2. no support for that atm, sorry; but maybe that would be a good feature request
[04:09:21] <waddlesplash> though ACPI is so advanced you can brick your machine with it, so be careful..
[04:10:15] <probono> well if the bootloader can't load it i can't brick it :)
[04:11:09] <waddlesplash> well, there are Linux tools to change this stuff
[04:11:18] <waddlesplash> actually I believe the acpica tools work on Haiku too
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[04:17:17] <probono_haiku> is there a wallet (storing passwords) in haiku?
[04:17:30] <probono_haiku> TrackGit wants me to enter my credentials every time
[04:17:36] <probono_haiku> and shows the password in clear text...
[04:17:50] <waddlesplash> there is BKeyStore, which is used by the wpa_supplicant among other things
[04:17:54] <waddlesplash> not sure why TrackGit does not use it
[04:17:58] <probono_haiku> great
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[04:17:59] <haiku-ci-bot> Haiku build 60 of master x86_64 is complete! http://localhost:8080/teams/continuous/pipelines/master-x86_64/jobs/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/25
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[04:18:01] <waddlesplash> however, BKeyStore is not even encrypted iirc
[04:18:11] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: if you don't shut up your test bot, Imma ban it :p
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[04:23:13] <haiku-ci-bot> Haiku build 61 of master x86_64 is complete! http://localhost:8080/teams/continuous/pipelines/master-x86_64/jobs/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/26
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[04:36:48] <probono_haiku> is there a way to dictate the resolution to the bootloader? (on one of my machines, the bootloader does not give full hd as an option)
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[04:37:29] <waddlesplash> probono: yes, put it in the VESA settings file
[04:37:44] <waddlesplash> but of course the bootloader is limited by with the EFI or VESA BIOS gives it
[04:37:53] <waddlesplash> (but it is a little less limited on EFI I think)
[04:40:11] <kallisti5> i mean, it's doing what it's supposed to
[04:40:18] <kallisti5> but yeah, i disabled itc
[04:40:20] <kallisti5> *irc
[04:41:29] <HAIKU-Buildbot> Build haiku-release-x86_gcc2_hybrid #333 is complete: Success [build successful] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/35/builds/333
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[04:49:51] <waddlesplash> probono: btw in reply to your very much earlier question: no, there are no Haiku podcasts
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[04:50:04] <waddlesplash> I've appeared very sporadically on the Lunduke Hour but that is about it :)
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[04:59:31] <probono> maybe we should start one?
[05:01:09] <probono> can i read the iasl of the running system in haiku? on linux there is the tool "acpidump"
[05:06:38] <waddlesplash> is that an acpica tool? I think we have a package for those
[05:06:50] <probono> woot
[05:06:55] <probono> yes it is
[05:07:10] <probono> err not so sure. iasl is
[05:09:15] <rennj> intel iasl compiler
[05:09:19] <probono> acpidump is available indeed
[05:09:23] <rennj> acpi hacking
[05:09:39] <probono> is there _anything_ that is not there or almost there in haiku???
[05:10:08] <waddlesplash> :)
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[05:17:51] <HaikuUser> nope:
[05:17:54] <HaikuUser> ~/Desktop> acpidump -o DSDT.dat
[05:17:55] <HaikuUser> Cannot open directory - /sys/firmware/acpi/tables
[05:17:55] <HaikuUser> Could not get ACPI tables, AE_NOT_FOUND
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[05:18:47] <kallisti5> looks like acpidump depends on some linux sys filesystem objects we don't have
[05:21:35] <probono_haiku> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/4005
[05:22:51] <waddlesplash> lol /sys
[05:22:57] <waddlesplash> we definitely don't want that
[05:23:04] <waddlesplash> why cant it just use /dev/mem like a sane person?!
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[05:27:08] <rennj> sysfs rocking...oh so sorry...follow or lead...
[05:27:26] <rennj> pick the wrong kernel
[05:27:35] <rennj> you kick me again waddlesplash
[05:29:14] <waddlesplash> ...
[05:31:11] <probono_haiku> i mean, is there a Haiku-ish way to get to that table? It must be somewhere in memory
[05:33:55] <waddlesplash> well obviously the kernel ACPI driver does it
[05:34:02] <waddlesplash> (which is based on ACPICA itself)
[05:34:26] <waddlesplash> for userland, /dev/mem can be used to read physical pages, so maybe that?
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