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[01:08:00] <HAIKU-irker573> d15fda2c7eb2: build/BeBuild.h: Throw an error if the compatibility headers are not included.
[01:08:00] <HAIKU-irker573> 204ec4dec691: build: Use the main ByteOrder.h.
[01:08:01] <HAIKU-irker573> 9cb15d72bde6: netinet/in: Use the GCC4 builtin byteswap functions for htonl.
[01:08:02] <HAIKU-irker573> fb52ab82d24e: Minor tweaks to fix the build after the last commit.
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[01:20:20] <mmu_man> ok, libmms moved to SF.net
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[01:50:25] <mmu_man> do I still have a sourceforge account…
[01:50:58] <mmu_man> and it still works \o/
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<Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/fjUij
[02:05:02] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman 1a65ea3 - libmms: update to 0.6.4 (they moved to sourceforge)
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[02:09:40] <mmu_man> oops, didn't try building with gcc2
[02:11:00] <waddlesplash> what? yes I did
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[02:13:32] <mmu_man> was talking to myself
[02:13:34] <mmu_man> libmms
[02:13:39] <mmu_man> has some C89 issues
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<Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/fjUPn
[02:21:25] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman 8e3f8a2 - libmms: add C89 fixes for gcc2 and bump revision
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[02:52:42] <HAIKU-irker573> fcf0b31fb90d: bootloader: Add the network endianness macros to NetDefs.h.
[03:15:23] <jjpx> irc buildbot no longer show the blame list?
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[03:53:00] <HAIKU-irker573> 6d5e91f0c962: headers/posix: Make casts in netinet byteswap functions uniform.
[03:53:01] <HAIKU-irker573> 86ec5e3bf494: Convert some more endian conversions to Haiku-style.
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[04:07:32] <mmu_man> ok, so I have an svn checkout of buildtools here that wouldn't even svn upgrade
[04:07:34] <mmu_man> :p
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[04:12:23] <mmu_man> url="svn+ssh://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/buildtools/trunk"
[04:12:24] <mmu_man> lol
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[07:49:32] <Begasus> g'morning peeps
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[08:03:54] <leorize> hi Begasus
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[08:08:45] <Begasus_> hi leorize!
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[08:17:39] <Begasus> nice, you can't build hedgewars on 32bit (haskell) and 64bit (fpc) :P
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[08:21:20] <leorize> :P we will have to port them both later
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[08:26:44] <Begas_VBox> seems we do have ghc for x86 :)
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[08:28:19] <Begas_VBox> but no fpc for x86 :/
[08:28:54] <leorize> I don't think ghc works yet :p it was PulkoMandy's port if I'm not mistaken
[08:29:30] <Begas_VBox> based on jessica's work iirc (reading github)
[08:29:46] <leorize> I see
[08:29:56] <Begas_VBox> revision = 11 :)
[08:32:55] <Begas_VBox> bbl
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<Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fjUy8
[09:48:15] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 840b652 - kdiff3: bump version
[09:49:42] <leorize> do we have any mirrors for the nightlies?
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[10:14:05] <Valdemar> Howdy, can haiku output sound over hdmi/displayport?
[10:14:21] <Valdemar> or do i need a separate cable
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[10:26:02] <Valdemar> I can not get the sound to work even on linux so it is a stretch.
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[10:50:14] <devport> please help me
[10:51:20] <devport> iI need sysfile log from working HDA driver
[10:51:36] <devport> from Intel board
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[11:30:36] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk 0c381d3 - NumPy: rework, bump, cleanup, extra libs (#3694)
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[11:39:33] <yatendra1999> Does haiku support FAT and NTFS?
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[12:24:26] <Not-3d6a> [haiku/website] MRNIU 0bb2ec5 - Update 2015-02-05_building_haiku_mac_os_x_1010_yosemite.html
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[12:42:05] <Begas_VBox> no libpurple_x86 in the depot? looking at the recipe it should be ok for _x86
[12:46:15] <Begas_VBox> Warning: skipping libpurple-2.13.0, as it is broken on the target architecture. (no error messages from haikuporter, x86 seems declared ok as secondary architecture)
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[12:47:45] <Begas_VBox> oh bugger, nvm :)
[12:49:40] <Begasus> still strange it isn't in the depot for _x86
[12:51:07] <Begasus> ah, issue filed for it
[12:52:19] <Begasus> same problem probably as atk leorize
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<Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fjU5A
[14:23:35] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes d1bfb0b - QtHaikuPlugins: bump version
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[14:33:52] <leorize> Begasus: I guess we will have to dissect glib for that
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[14:46:17] <Begasus> at the least glib_genmarshal leorize
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[14:49:56] <Begasus> in the case of libpurple there is also an issue with libpython
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[15:11:22] <Begasus> bbl
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[16:06:56] <Rajagopalan> hey guys!
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[16:34:31] <humdinger> mmu_man: wanna upload the catkeys of ThemeManager? I'd do it, but then KapiX would have to switch permissions over to you, or you wouldn't be able to upate catkeys in the future...
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[16:34:48] <Diver1> waddlesplash, Haiku doesn't boot anymore in hrev53012
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[16:47:36] <waddlesplash> Diver1: PulkoMandy's fault
[16:47:49] <waddlesplash> I just cleaned up the mess slightly
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[16:48:14] <waddlesplash> we'll need to add those symbols back to x64 until the remaining applications can be patched I suppose
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[16:51:29] <waddlesplash> Diver1: you can do this by undoing the x86_64 portion of PulkoMandy s original commit
[16:51:43] <waddlesplash> I can +2 and submit your change but can't propose it myself atm
[16:51:50] <waddlesplash> (on mobile)
[16:56:48] <Diver1> can't do that now, leaving work already
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[17:10:39] <mmu_man> humdinger: not sure I have an account there
[17:10:58] <humdinger> hi mmu_man. you have. I looked. :)
[17:11:23] <humdinger> and promoted you to "developer" so you can upload new projects.
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[17:13:23] <mmu_man> ah thx :)
[17:13:54] <mmu_man> B_WILL_DO
[17:14:05] <humdinger> just don't forget to check for new/updated translations before every new release. :)
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[17:14:31] <humdinger> B_OK
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[17:27:47] <Begasus> B_PeeP
[17:29:09] <LapsangS> hi
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[17:39:46] <LapsangS> is haiku the future of operating systems?
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[17:41:08] <LapsangS> if i may ask... how many of you guys here are actual developers of this os?
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[17:41:35] <LapsangS> and what do you guys think about the future of this OS?
[17:43:35] <humdinger> LapsangS: I guess about 10-12 in the channel are Haiku devs.
[17:43:49] <humdinger> I expect the future to be a bit like the past...
[17:43:53] <humdinger> just more of it
[17:44:22] <LapsangS> i have tried the beta version and i find it great
[17:45:39] <LapsangS> i am not a developer, I will just hang here for fun :)
[17:45:57] <humdinger> welcome! :)
[17:45:59] <LapsangS> its interesting to know whats going on..
[17:46:16] <LapsangS> thx
[17:46:51] <LapsangS> of course I have tried Haiku on Virtualbox
[17:47:09] <LapsangS> and it worked quite well
[17:47:38] <humdinger> much better on the bare metal though.
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[17:48:57] <LapsangS> most of you probably don't understand Finnish but I made this Finnish language review on youtube where i emphasized the interesting windowing system
[17:50:16] * humdinger watches
[17:50:56] <humdinger> 20+ minutes....
[17:51:01] * humdinger watches after dinner :)
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[18:41:36] <Begasus> nice capture LapsangS
[18:48:48] <humdinger> interesting language, Finnish :)
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[19:00:42] <humdinger> Is there much (passive) aggressiveness and knee-jerk contrairianism in the forums, or does it only feel so to me?
[19:01:00] <humdinger> I trashed 3 drafts of responses in the last 3 days to the same user, because I figured it would only draw out worse responses...
[19:02:46] <humdinger> I seriously consider pausing my moderating. Then I can just ignore users/threads...
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[19:05:34] <King_Warg> 0.o
[19:07:20] <PulkoMandy> yes, trying to stay away as well...
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[19:08:27] <King_Warg> flame wars of the apocalypse \o/
[19:09:18] <humdinger> I totally get why many devs avoid the forums...
[19:14:53] <PulkoMandy> please point people to the behavior rules
[19:15:01] <PulkoMandy> I can't do it because I'm involved in the arguments usually
[19:16:06] <humdinger> I don't think they break the letter of rules, it's just a sense of aggressiveness and unwillingness to back off an inch.
[19:16:22] <humdinger> it'd result in even longer threads I don't have the energy to go thru.
[19:16:35] <humdinger> that's my considering of pausing moderation
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[19:17:22] <PulkoMandy> yes, but if we all give up on moderating, it won't work
[19:20:31] <humdinger> as I said, I don't think the break the rules. they just appear to be unpleasant forum denizens.
[19:20:48] <PulkoMandy> if this doesn't break the rules and it is annoying us, maybe we should adjust the rules
[19:21:53] <humdinger> §1 Don't get on peoples' nerves
[19:22:46] <PulkoMandy> there is "Be nice to other people." in the rules
[19:23:01] <PulkoMandy> we could surely extend this
[19:24:53] <waddlesplash> I don't see why we need to
[19:25:07] <waddlesplash> if people are not being nice, we can censor them already, right?
[19:25:11] * waddlesplash reads forums
[19:25:32] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: btw you broke x64 booting, some apps are linked against the byteswap funcs
[19:25:47] <King_Warg> :o
[19:25:48] <waddlesplash> we should revert that part until someone rebuilds those with the inlined swapping
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[19:27:20] <PulkoMandy> it's not fair to censor people without a warning, and "be nice" is not very precise. In this case there were no insults (well, us spatial mode were called "this is useful when you don't understand how a filesystem hierarchy works", maybe that counts as an insult to people developing an OS :o) )
[19:28:39] <Begasus> g'night peeps
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[19:29:30] <humdinger> wait up, I come with, Begasus...
[19:29:34] * humdinger waves
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[19:35:53] <King_Warg> Θ_Θ
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[22:43:18] <Androo> If I'm uisng a Radeon RX 590 and get a white screen at boot, followed immediately by no signal, is that likely a mode setting problem? Does the Radeon driver have trouble with some more modern cards? VESA works great tho :)
[22:45:39] <Androo> waddlesplash: If you're online, my XHCI seems to be working great but my syslog is absolutely full of "_LinkDescriptorForPipe max transfers count exceeded" + "error updating port status" messages :/
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[22:48:42] <Zenja> Is it safe to upgrade to hrev53013 on x64 (after the byteswap issues resolved by waddlesplash?
[22:50:23] <Androo> I'm willing to try it for you :)
[22:50:42] <Androo> I'm on hrev53002.
[22:51:23] <Zenja> THx. saw a message that boot broke during last couple of revisions, and waddlesplash commited a fix, so I
[22:51:38] <Androo> brb
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[22:51:48] <Zenja> I'm curious if the latest hrev 53013 is safe to update to
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[22:53:59] <Androo> hrev53013 on x86_64 :)
[22:54:16] <Zenja> Androo, welcome back. Thx for letting us know
[22:54:29] <Zenja> Booting is considered a success :)
[22:54:56] <Zenja> OK., I'll pkgman full-sync
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[22:57:57] <waddlesplash> Androo: find the first error message before the max transfers count exceeded
[22:58:03] <waddlesplash> and then post a syslog with that
[22:58:09] <waddlesplash> i.e. may be some specific device or something
[22:58:24] <waddlesplash> and a syslog just after boot with PCI and probe information will also be necessary
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[23:07:44] <Androo> Is "KERN: options = 1" about the first entry when a boot starts?
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