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[00:02:28] <PDP-7> That startup beep gave me shicers :D
[00:02:36] <PDP-7> *V
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[00:27:36] <leavengood> I would like to look at libcharlemagne again. It would be much easier to have bindings in other languages if we had a high-quality C binding. But I haven't looked into it deeply. The threading may make it tricky.
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[00:28:16] <leavengood> Nowadays there are interesting compiled languages like Nim, Crystal (it is Ruby like), and of course, Rust.
[00:29:32] <leavengood> C bindings also make it easier to interact with scripting languages.
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[01:19:07] <AlienSoldier> just found a 1998 bill in my wallet, 120$CAN with taxes. This was for the first hardrive i ever bought for my A1200 :)
[01:19:36] <AlienSoldier> 1Gb seagate
[01:20:10] <AlienSoldier> that hardrive still work today
[01:21:17] <AlienSoldier> it originally came with a 40MB one, what an upgrade it was, i never was able to fill it up
[01:21:48] <AlienSoldier> not even with an insane .au audio collection
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[02:12:56] <leavengood> AlienSoldier: it is a bit sad how bloated things are now. Last year I worked on a JS app which shipped something like 20 MB of JS and CSS to the browser. An AngularJS nightmare. You could have an entire fairly decent OS in 20 MB.
[02:16:43] <AlienSoldier> i think we will come back to this, but vertically integrated computer company will need to come back first.
[02:17:41] <AlienSoldier> essentially we need to get Tramiel back from the dead and go make Jack Attact "tm"
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[02:29:46] <kevans91> leavengood: I have functional OS with all of the wifi and ethernet goodness I need in <= 16 MB
[02:29:56] <kevans91> this stuff is ridiculous indeed =(
[02:32:25] <kevans91> Granted, there's not a lot included in that 16 MB... uses our version of busybox-style magic, but it also includes dnsmasq/hostapd/dropbear
[02:41:16] <leavengood> We probably won't ever go back to the Amiga or DOS days as far as resources, we all have more expectations and needs, but the level of bloat in Windows and Mac OS X, etc is pretty bad.
[02:41:35] <leavengood> But there is a reason we are chatting here in the Haiku channel :)
[02:44:09] <AlienSoldier> that depend, AmigaOS 3.1.4 is not that bigger, pretty much only hard coded limit removed
[02:45:36] <AlienSoldier> Also, haiku could be streamlined down a lot for a special distro (removing font and translation and things like that).
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[03:29:52] <nepugia> kevans91: an OS that fits into the ESP is a good OS :)
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[03:46:12] <Maylay> yay latest hrev working great again on toshiba protege
[04:13:44] <waddlesplash> Maylay: oh was it broken for a time?
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[04:15:23] <Maylay> yeah it was having trouble booting a month or so ago and couldn't figure it out
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[05:55:21] <yatendra1999> Hi!
[05:57:29] <yatendra1999> Can someone here help me get started with the power management
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[06:57:43] <Begasus> g'morning peeps
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[06:58:57] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fjUZg
[06:58:59] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz a311cc2 - Retroarch: bump to version 1.7.6 (#3716)
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[07:41:27] <Begas_VBox> leorize awake? :)
[07:41:46] <Begas_VBox> if I use python3 in the atk recipe I get the next:
[07:41:51] <Begas_VBox> boot/system/bin/x86/glib-genmarshal --prefix atk_marshal --output atk/atkmarshal.h --pragma-once --header ../atk/atkmarshal.list
[07:41:51] <Begas_VBox> /bin/env: /bin/python: No such file or directory
[07:44:44] <leorize> hi Begas_VBox :)
[07:44:59] <Begas_VBox> :)
[07:45:00] <leorize> yea, our python is python2 by default
[07:45:11] <leorize> here's workaround:
[07:45:20] <leorize> mkdir $sourceDir/bin
[07:45:30] <leorize> ln -s /bin/python3 $sourceDir/bin
[07:45:46] <leorize> export PATH=$sourceDir/bin:$PATH
[07:45:49] <leorize> oh wait
[07:46:03] <leorize> if that thing is referencing /bin/python this wouldn't work :P
[07:46:19] <Begas_VBox> ln -s /bin/python3 $sourceDir/bin/python ?
[07:46:29] <leorize> ah, you can massively patch them
[07:46:44] <leorize> yea but it wouldn't work if the files are referencing /bin/python directly
[07:46:56] <leorize> so the proper way would be to massively patch them to python3
[07:47:04] <Begas_VBox> glib-genmarshal is the trick there
[07:47:33] <Begas_VBox> afaik there is no python script in atk's source
[07:48:15] <leorize> maybe it's glib then?
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[07:48:56] <Begas_VBox> disabled gir so that's not it either, so probably glib then yes (it's the only thing left) :)
[07:49:02] <leorize> what are you porting?
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[07:49:21] <Begas_VBox> bumping atk
[07:49:41] <Begasus> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/3715
[07:51:35] <leorize> I guess I'll have to make space for some VMs then :)
[07:52:00] <Begasus> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/2332#issuecomment-386869772
[07:52:21] <Begasus> PulkoMandy also replied there on libpurple, so I guess it's known?
[07:53:06] <leorize> no idea, I'll take a look at glib
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[07:53:45] <Begasus> tia :)
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[07:54:44] <Begas_VBox> I'll make the small patch to disable gir and bump the PR then (there hasn't been any use for it so far, so maybe just leave it commented out for now)
[07:54:48] <leorize> I should probably start writing the mass tester script :p
[07:55:07] <Begas_VBox> haven't started yet? :P
[07:55:49] <Begas_VBox> moin stippi
[07:55:50] <leorize> I was being lazy :p been playing quite a lot of games
[07:56:02] <Begas_VBox> 0_°
[07:56:21] <stippi> Begas_VBox, everyone: Good morning. :-)
[07:57:26] <leorize> Begasus: oh and congrats, looks like you're chosen for the trip to the States :)
[07:59:08] <Begas_VBox> thnx :)
[08:00:14] <Begas_VBox> k, patchset created, cleaning and checking ..
[08:00:29] <leorize> on an another note looks like I can't start testing stuff rn :p
[08:00:49] <leorize> school's internet speed is in the range of 9-10kb/s
[08:01:05] <Begas_VBox> oh joy :P
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[08:02:35] <leorize> but I think I have an idea on how to make the auto tester script now
[08:04:55] <Begas_VBox> write it down :P
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[08:07:46] <leorize> I just need a VM with SSH then run a git clone -> haikuporter script there :)
[08:11:14] <leorize> we should consider taking over old PRs and have them merged
[08:11:28] <Begasus> pushed PR
[08:12:58] <Begasus> heard anything from fbrosson?
[08:14:18] <leorize> nope, fbrosson has literally disappeared
[08:14:26] <leorize> no activities on github whatsoever :/
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[08:24:49] <Begasus> yeah :/
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[09:26:45] <Rajagopalan> hey begasus leorize
[09:27:16] <Rajagopalan> saw the blog on GCI begasus that is so cool :)
[09:27:29] <Begas_VBox> hi Rajagopalan :)
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[09:41:35] <Rajagopalan> got to know ur real name begasus :)
[09:41:55] <Rajagopalan> so when are you heading to sf?
[09:44:55] <Begas_VBox> June
[09:45:54] <leorize> please let me know if they finally serve seafood now :P
[09:50:48] <Rajagopalan> that is so cool :)
[09:57:18] <Begas_VBox> looks like shockolate needs to build the SDL libraries localy to find the headers?
[09:59:01] <leorize> then we need to patch that
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[10:01:19] <Begas_VBox> https://github.com/Interrupt/systemshock/commit/361e598aa04471e7bb5d62780ab524d5c4202d2f
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[10:01:51] <leorize> I'm writing my own bash lexer. If this works then I can write a recipe format checker for HaikuPorts :)
[10:04:19] <leorize> Begasus: Looks like they use the stock SDL2 from upstream, so it should be safe to patch it to use system SDL2
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[10:05:57] <Begas_VBox> yep, they pull in the latest 2.0.9 for sdl2
[10:06:49] <Begas_VBox> trying to pacht cmakeList
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[10:26:13] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/fjUCY
[10:26:15] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 22e82f8 - RocksnDiamond: bump version, switch to SDL2 (#3707)
[10:27:20] <Begas_VBox> "/packaging/shockolate_x86/bin/systemshock-x86" needs library "libGL.so.1" (I can live with those errors) :)
[10:28:18] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fjUCn
[10:28:20] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 82d0b72 - armadillo9: bump version (#3713)
[10:43:34] <Begas_VBox> hmmm, should've checked the github page earlier :) there is a fairly recent release, instead of using the latest commit) ;)
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[10:56:18] <Begas_VBox> a bit puzzled here, the recipe name is shokolate but it provides systemchock binary
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[10:57:06] <Begas_VBox> so should it provide shockolate or systemchock? :)
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[11:00:55] <leorize> it should provides shockolate and `cmd:systemchock` :P
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[11:04:27] <Begas_VBox> that's what I already changed it to :)
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[11:04:45] <Begas_VBox> shockolate$secondaryArchSuffix = $portVersion
[11:04:45] <Begas_VBox> cmd:systemshock$secondaryArchSuffix = $portVersion
[11:05:44] <Begas_VBox> Original cd-rom or SS:EE assets in a res/data folder next to the executable
[11:06:19] <Begas_VBox> from the github page, so maybe we should move it to $appsDir/Shockolate?
[11:06:50] <Begas_VBox> haven't checked if the binary can set a path to the data
[11:09:23] <Begas_VBox> seems so "./systemshock my-archive.dat my-strings.res"
[11:13:08] <leorize> if it can't be trivially run by doing `./systemshock`, it should be in binDir
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[11:15:58] <Begas_VBox> yeah, leaving it in there (can't check as I don't have the data) :)
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[11:23:23] <Begas_VBox> on second thought, moving it to $prefix/bin :)
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[11:45:22] <Begas_VBox> k, pushed my changes to a new branch on my fork, is there a way to push the changes to the open PR?
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[11:52:37] <Begasus> eeps, patchset needs some love :P
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[12:22:49] <Begas_VBox> done :)
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[13:12:14] <Oishika> PulkoMandy: When I'm trying to update a previous commit, I'm getting an error saying invalid Change-ID. Any pointers on that?
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[13:16:38] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/fjU4O
[13:16:39] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes e48c1ce - Psi-plus: bump version
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[13:32:49] <Rajagopalan> Oishika make sure you append right change id to ur commit message
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[13:33:55] <Oishika> I copied the change id from the previous commit itself.
[13:34:05] <Rajagopalan> i believe this is ur change id
[13:34:06] <Rajagopalan> I8be789178a608c1a4e85c0ae6d8fcfcc2fd485d4
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[13:47:57] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-1/±1] https://git.io/fjU4d
[13:47:59] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 01c534c - Psi-plus: fix build
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[13:54:17] <Oishika> The commit to which I want to make the change has the change id Change-Id: Id35c46fa14bef570f78d8f065d95f6e6d8f0c6d7
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[14:33:45] <Rajagopalan> Oishika try adding the Change-Id:<ur change id> in the next line of your commit message
[14:35:34] <Oishika> while commiting, I used the command: git commit -m "Message" Change-Id: Id35c46fa14bef570f78d8f065d95f6e6d8f0c6d7
[14:36:00] <Oishika> If that's not the proper way to do it, could you give me the proper way to do it?
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[14:59:23] <Rajagopalan> no it should be
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[15:00:08] <Rajagopalan> git commit -m "Message <next line> Change-Id: Id35c46fa14bef570f78d8f065d95f6e6d8f0c6d7"
[15:00:24] <Rajagopalan> change id should be inside the commit message
[15:01:13] <leorize> you can do it like this:
[15:01:27] <leorize> git commit -m "Message" -m "Change-Id: ..."
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[16:06:25] <AlienSoldier> in thread and cpu usage, why is there two "launch daemon" and why do we need the path in the name, thread should have no path as far as i am concerned
[16:07:01] <AlienSoldier> this is in process controller btw
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[16:09:07] <mmu_man> AlienSoldier: one is for the user IIRC
[16:11:02] <AlienSoldier> user? as in kernel and user space?
[16:12:37] <AlienSoldier> sure look clunky, and the name should only be "launch-daemon". As it is it make the window appear too wide (big) for nothing.
[16:13:25] <AlienSoldier> at least with the freshly booted Haiku only tread on display
[16:14:12] <AlienSoldier> i should say team instead of trhread also :)
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[16:23:01] <pranali> PulkoMandy: Hey! I just finished my outreachy application for the API documentation project! :)
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[16:25:29] <pranali> PulkoMandy: I'll also start the discussions on the 3rdparty list about the patch either a bit later today or early tomorrow, since I have to run to the university for some time now.
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[17:04:03] <Oishika> Thanks for the help!
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[17:15:52] <bbjimmy> blassin yab.orgfree.com is mostly up to date, but yab is now at 1.7.6 see the source at https://github.com/bbjimmy/YAB
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[17:26:55] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: there is a launch daemon for user, and one for system services
[17:27:12] <PulkoMandy> the path is visible because it is passed as an argument to the app when it's run
[17:27:39] <PulkoMandy> mh... no actually I don't know why the path to the binary is visible there
[17:27:59] <PulkoMandy> probably because of how the daemon is started (it's a bit special since it comes before a lot of other services, I guess)
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[18:10:20] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy then they should not have the same exact name
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[18:14:23] <PulkoMandy> yes, it's just the path to the executable apparently
[18:14:31] <PulkoMandy> so it's the same executable run with different args
[18:14:47] <PulkoMandy> and the full path shows because it's run this way - probably because the PATH in not set or something like that
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[18:15:09] <AlienSoldier> i wonder if our mail app will be affected by this https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/03/25/2320219/gmail-app-changes-will-cause-most-ifttt-features-to-stop-working
[18:17:12] <PulkoMandy> no, we use plain POP/IMAP access, not direct access to the account through their custom APIs
[18:17:46] <AlienSoldier> that is if they still allow this next month
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[18:20:35] <AlienSoldier> reading the comment it seem nothing will change after all
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[19:19:10] <waddlesplash> krbtgt: did you ever go back to your Mono efforts?
[19:19:16] <waddlesplash> (that was you, right?)
[19:25:55] <krbtgt> yes, but i haven't gotten back to them yet
[19:26:17] <krbtgt> AIX/i port eating time 😬
[19:26:19] <krbtgt> buuuut
[19:26:31] <krbtgt> IIRC it was threading or memoery management related possibly in libroot kinda thing
[19:26:52] <krbtgt> because again, works on AIX 9which is a WTF because nothing works right on AIX)
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[19:59:41] <mmu_man> oh there's a but in Terminal, empty lines
[20:06:40] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/fjUV1
[20:06:42] <Not-3d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman f2b2398 - meson: update to 0.50.0
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[20:14:22] <dewf> is the BColumnListView not available for user apps?
[20:18:47] <PulkoMandy> it is, but you have to link with -lshared
[20:19:06] <PulkoMandy> it's in a static lib so we can change its API/ABI without breaking existing apps, as we don't consider it finalized
[20:19:19] <dewf> ah, ok. thank you
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[20:36:24] <devport> PulkoMandy: hey mayby someone add last connect to wifi module ?
[20:36:47] <devport> reset system chenge to default (no connect) wifi ...
[20:37:29] <devport> save the last connect and restore in system start
[20:37:47] <PulkoMandy> it works for me
[20:37:57] <PulkoMandy> but others have problems with it
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[20:38:01] <PulkoMandy> I don't know why
[20:38:11] <devport> yy ok
[20:38:23] <devport> thx for info
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[20:54:17] <waddlesplash> dewf: correction to PulkoMandy, it's -lcolumnlistview
[20:55:09] <dewf> waddlesplash: thank you. (unfortunately I can't use it because it doesn't (yet?) have an
[20:55:12] <dewf> InitiateDrag method
[20:55:30] <waddlesplash> you'd need to write your own, then
[20:55:42] <dewf> yeah and I'm lazy and this is for a throwaway project so ... :D
[20:55:44] <waddlesplash> what should dragging in a column list view do by default? it doesn't make sense, so...
[20:55:46] <waddlesplash> oh lol
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[20:57:07] <dewf> waddlesplash: hmmm, well I guess it wouldn't be too difficult. I guess the BListView one doesn't really do much at all, either
[20:57:51] <dewf> really just lets you know the point, index of the dragged row, and whether it's currently selected
[20:58:36] <dewf> in any case, in my laziness I decided I probably didn't need any extra columns in the first place. but good to know that class is there for future reference
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[21:24:22] <HAIKU-irker917> 8741bcf4f1d0: Add icon for postscript files.
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[21:25:27] <HAIKU-irker917> e1b41d44a3a0: boot loader: Wire up net_stack_cleanup()
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[21:39:49] <HAIKU-irker917> 134abee09e95: Added reboot button for after successful update
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[21:40:55] <HAIKU-irker917> 4b2da9c371d0: glibc: cleanup long double support
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[21:41:56] <HAIKU-irker917> 1e4172254d35: sparc: fill in HaikuPorts file.
[21:51:25] <waddlesplash> in case people on this channel missed it: there's an unofficial Discord server for Haiku now. https://discord.gg/5FDhmM4
[21:51:53] <PulkoMandy> yay, more fragmentation of chat services :>
[21:52:19] <waddlesplash> lol
[21:52:36] <PulkoMandy> I'll stick to IRC and Telegram
[21:55:38] <izaki> Does discord work in Haiku? (Out of curiosity)
[21:57:24] <waddlesplash> no idea, didn't try, but it's "just a web app"
[21:57:26] <jjpx> izaki, it worked for me once, but without mic
[21:57:27] <waddlesplash> (famous last words)
[21:58:10] <jjpx> it usually (99%) stays on "connectingc"
[21:59:56] <izaki> That would be interesting! Gonna try later...
[22:00:03] <jjpx> although it should be possible to craft a native client for it, requires libopus, websockets
[22:00:33] <PulkoMandy> IIRc Discord does not allow non-official clients...
[22:00:56] <PulkoMandy> and we should focus on open protocols whenever possible
[22:01:15] <izaki> mumble is also a great voice chat service, with good sound quality (opus), and resonable features
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[22:01:58] <izaki> I actually thought discord started as a mumble frontend (I am probably wrong, but it rings a bell)
[22:02:20] <jjpx> there are several, but discord is the trend right now
[22:05:08] <jjpx> PulkoMandy, i'm not sure, they provide several APIs to interact with the client from a game and also they have documented extra calls for independent clients, for use with bots
[22:05:28] <jjpx> there are many music bots for it
[22:05:28] <PulkoMandy> yes, but only for bots I think
[22:05:56] <PulkoMandy> I looked into interfacing with bitlbee or libpurple, and there were no really working solution
[22:06:18] <PulkoMandy> maybe it improved now... but still, I prefer open protocols if possible...
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[22:15:22] <dewf> sigh @ those libraries ... I miss IM programs
[22:15:41] <dewf> everything was cooler back then
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[22:34:32] <jjpx> about discord, last month i found an alternative electron client that was basically chrome with a predefined home page
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[23:02:14] <dewf> I really hope electron doesn't completely take over native desktop apps. we seem to be moving perilously in that direction. electron wrapping chromium wrapping some web page -> :(((
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