March 18, 2019 
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March 18, 2019 [00:01:36] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:02:02] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[00:21:14] *** embden <embden!~embden@185.202.212.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[00:23:47] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@111.193.29.163> has joined #haiku[00:25:07] *** haqk <haqk!~haqk@ec2-13-211-26-103.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[00:28:39] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@111.193.29.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:55:28] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Quit: rebooting)[00:56:38] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[01:12:31] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.77.101> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:20:15] *** Adura <Adura!~Adura@toroon213mw-lp130-04-67-68-35-124.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #haiku[01:20:40] *** Adura <Adura!~Adura@toroon213mw-lp130-04-67-68-35-124.dsl.bell.ca> has left #haiku[01:24:38] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:29:57] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has joined #haiku[01:47:00] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:50:12] *** nighty- <nighty-!~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:00:01] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has joined #haiku[02:05:36] *** haqk <haqk!~haqk@ec2-13-211-26-103.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:14:30] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has joined #haiku[02:20:00] *** haqk <haqk!~haqk@ec2-13-239-152-116.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[02:20:12] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:20:24] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[02:51:48] *** marxo <marxo!~marxo@cable-188-2-177-241.dynamic.sbb.rs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:51:49] *** illwieckz_ is now known as illwieckz[02:54:47] <dewf> where can I find the source to Haiku's sshd / sftpd?[03:09:15] <mmu_man> see https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/[03:09:56] <mmu_man> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/tree/master/net-misc/openssh[03:12:52] <dewf> mmu_man: thank you[03:33:58] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@114.252.38.139> has joined #haiku[03:41:30] <dewf> arghhhhhh. OK, what IDE should I be using in Haiku?[03:41:37] <dewf> I've been struggling along with Qt Creator but it's buggy[03:42:05] <dewf> Paladin isn't working right now either (but I reported the bug so hopefully soon)[03:47:51] <Scarecrow> vim[03:48:06] <dewf> well, at least you didn't say emacs[03:48:30] <dewf> is it hard to set up vim with linting and such?[03:48:55] <dewf> or do people even bother[03:49:21] <Scarecrow> (I jest, but I know some people that use vim as an IDE)[03:49:49] <Scarecrow> (it's definitely doable)[03:49:55] <dewf> I don't want to stop what I'm doing to figure it out, but if I could solve the SFTP rename bug(?) then I could maybe use CLion via ssh, which would be a dream[03:57:01] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:58:38] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has joined #haiku[04:04:53] *** KurisuYamato <KurisuYamato!~Kurisu@162-225-176-223.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[04:04:55] *** KurisuYamato <KurisuYamato!~Kurisu@162-225-176-223.lightspeed.mmphtn.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:07:36] *** megabot9000 <megabot9000!~megabot90@075-182-102-226.res.spectrum.com> has joined #haiku[04:08:22] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~AlienSold@modemcable087.210-56-74.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[04:11:02] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[04:21:43] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~matt@pool-108-52-159-210.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:25:11] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:25:16] *** dewf <dewf!~dewf@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:25:31] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[05:26:28] *** Rajagopalan <Rajagopalan!~androirc@2409:4072:115:34b:cb89:141d:deb0:3a2f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[05:56:48] *** brj <brj!~brj@183.82.112.229> has joined #haiku[05:57:12] <brj> Good morning all![06:14:26] *** S1mpleBrain <S1mpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[06:14:56] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:18:29] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@2a02:2168:86c4:e400:58be:dc1b:98bb:20f4> has joined #haiku[06:18:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Diver[06:26:15] *** LadySerena <LadySerena!~jlhawkwel@unaffiliated/ladyserena> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:32:13] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:32:51] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has joined #haiku[06:33:08] *** dewf <dewf!~dewf@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[06:44:21] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has joined #haiku[06:47:19] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:49:18] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:23:22] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/fjvVy[07:23:23] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] sikmir 5985e94 - GPXSee: bump to 7.5 (#3698)[07:32:06] *** brj <brj!~brj@183.82.112.229> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:33:37] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p200300DF7F4A7C0078E21A1F02DAFBD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[07:34:30] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[07:58:00] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC ()[08:15:12] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:16:18] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@114.252.38.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:16:35] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[08:17:32] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@114.252.38.139> has joined #haiku[08:42:57] *** Glider_IRC__ <Glider_IRC__!~Glider_IR@37.170.120.235> has joined #haiku[08:46:38] *** Glider_IRC_ <Glider_IRC_!~Glider_IR@37.164.158.157> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:58:59] *** Diver1 <Diver1!~Diver__@193.203.100.11> has joined #haiku[08:59:23] *** embden <embden!~embden@185.202.212.202> has joined #haiku[09:01:16] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[09:07:24] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:18:28] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p200300E90F251D009C42736CC5E8A0B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:18:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:24:31] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF005CE9C0D8DBF2B7B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:29:35] *** swerner <swerner!~swerner@ipbcc2a6f2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #haiku[09:38:25] *** Coolgeek <Coolgeek!~coolgeek@unaffiliated/coolgeek> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4)[09:48:28] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[09:51:01] *** Nozy <Nozy!~The@243.113.150.122.sta.dodo.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving http://bbsweb.mozysswamp.org or telnet bbs.mozysswamp.org need app goto http://syncterm.net/)[09:51:20] *** Nozy <Nozy!~The@243.113.150.122.sta.dodo.net.au> has joined #haiku[10:13:04] <PulkoMandy> hi[10:13:43] <PulkoMandy> dewf: you could use Monkey Studio (Qt based), or indeed vim with YouCompleteMe for code completion but I can understand not everyone will like vim[10:14:12] <PulkoMandy> Paladin is the best native choice even if it's far from complete yet, with Koder as the companion text editor for it[10:14:58] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@host31-54-226-108.range31-54.btcentralplus.com> has joined #haiku[10:17:07] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@host31-54-226-108.range31-54.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[10:17:07] <dewf> PulkoMandy: is everybody using a different version of Haiku for Paladin to work? because I've been using the beta/nightlies and it's got a showstopper bug for me. surprised nobody else reported it[10:17:45] <dewf> I'll check out Monkey Studio[10:18:13] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, I don't use Paladin myself, vim is good enough for me :>[10:18:19] <dewf> ah[10:18:35] *** marxo <marxo!~marxo@cable-188-2-177-241.dynamic.sbb.rs> has joined #haiku[10:19:14] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@public-gprs360034.centertel.pl> has joined #haiku[10:19:47] *** Coolgeek <Coolgeek!~coolgeek@unaffiliated/coolgeek> has joined #haiku[10:26:27] *** illwieckz_ <illwieckz_!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[10:27:30] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[10:36:15] *** GeekShadow <GeekShadow!~antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[10:41:05] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:53:45] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[10:57:38] *** abhinav__ <abhinav__!uid266159@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dehpflvsipesgzap> has joined #haiku[11:00:10] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!Vision@66-189-149-55.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:01:56] <abhinav__> Hello everyone, this is Abhinav. I am interested in working on the USB support for NETBSD network compatibility layer project for GSoC 2019. I have read the students page on the website and wanted to reach out.[11:01:57] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!Vision@66-189-149-55.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com> has joined #haiku[11:29:50] *** leorize <leorize!~leorize@2001:ee0:4101:88c9::5f9b> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4)[11:30:43] <dewf> abhinav__: you might have better luck in a few hours when the channel is more active, also since the forums are more 'persistent' you'll probably get more replies there[11:31:28] <abhinav__> dewf: Thanks, I'll repost then.[11:45:04] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:01:22] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[12:11:10] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@public-gprs360034.centertel.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:11:46] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has joined #haiku[12:25:29] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[12:39:03] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p200300DF7F4A7C0078E21A1F02DAFBD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[12:47:56] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 259 seconds)[12:57:02] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF005CE9C0D8DBF2B7B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:00:28] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@77.79.212.94> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:02:20] *** Rajagopalan <Rajagopalan!~Rajagopal@49.204.218.130> has joined #haiku[13:03:32] <Rajagopalan> hey guys![13:08:58] <Rajagopalan> hi pulkomandy[13:09:23] <Rajagopalan> so im really confused as to where to start[13:10:02] <PulkoMandy> hi[13:10:07] <PulkoMandy> what's the current status?[13:10:17] <Rajagopalan> i got the webkit compiling[13:10:37] <Rajagopalan> now i fixed minibrowser configuring[13:10:47] <PulkoMandy> ok, cool[13:10:59] <Rajagopalan> so what should be my next step[13:11:07] <PulkoMandy> so, we need a MiniBrowser now, so we can see what we are doing[13:11:28] <PulkoMandy> in WebKitLegacy we had a BWebWindow and a BWebView for this[13:11:33] <Rajagopalan> yes[13:12:07] <Rajagopalan> here it is Again a view and context i suppose[13:12:15] <PulkoMandy> it would be great if we had only a BWebView in WebKit2, because it is not great to have the window be a special case (it is ok for a browser, but not when you want to render html otherwise, for example in an email client or an RSS reader)[13:12:39] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, probably you should look at the Qt equivalent[13:13:02] <Rajagopalan> so my target should be the view part right?[13:13:09] <PulkoMandy> https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-5.5/qtwebkit-index.html[13:13:16] <PulkoMandy> this is how it is in Qt[13:13:37] <PulkoMandy> https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-5.5/qml-qtwebkit-webview.html[13:13:39] <Rajagopalan> so i shall follow qt?[13:13:49] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@public-gprs360034.centertel.pl> has joined #haiku[13:13:51] <PulkoMandy> not strictly, but it is the most similar to BeAPI[13:13:53] <Rajagopalan> becuase it seems windows implementation seems out of date[13:14:00] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has joined #haiku[13:14:04] <PulkoMandy> so it gives you an idea what is expected from a BWebView[13:14:24] <Rajagopalan> in webkitlegacy[13:14:24] <PulkoMandy> and Qt is C++ so it is somewhat closer to Haiku[13:14:35] <PulkoMandy> yes, but you don't need to look at webkitlegacy now[13:14:39] <PulkoMandy> we have to build new things[13:14:48] <Rajagopalan> hmm ok cool[13:14:57] <PulkoMandy> well, you can look at the existing APIs for BWebView but it is tied to WebKitLegacy[13:15:09] <PulkoMandy> that was the problem with the legacy API, it exposes too much internal things[13:15:09] <Rajagopalan> i will see what is required[13:15:19] <Rajagopalan> then reuse it?[13:15:28] <PulkoMandy> look at the QtWebKit doc[13:15:32] <PulkoMandy> their view is very simple[13:15:41] <PulkoMandy> 5 methods, 4 messages, and some properties[13:15:47] <PulkoMandy> it seems very easy to use in applications[13:15:50] *** k_ <k_!b64b2d01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.75.45.1> has joined #haiku[13:15:51] <PulkoMandy> we should have something like that[13:16:03] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@114.252.38.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:16:06] <Rajagopalan> ok so qt is not an official part in webkit?[13:16:48] <Rajagopalan> i didnt find qt in the repo so are they maintaining it separate or something[13:16:49] <PulkoMandy> not anymore, but on the mailing list they gave you the link to their implementation on github if you want to look at that[13:16:54] <PulkoMandy> yes[13:17:11] <Rajagopalan> alright then will look into it[13:17:14] <Rajagopalan> thank you :)[13:17:25] <PulkoMandy> Qt decided to use Google's Blink instead of Apple's WebKit in their modern APIs, but they still have the old WebView and still support it[13:18:03] <PulkoMandy> they will remove it in Qt 6, I guess?[13:18:52] <Rajagopalan> well qt has some good documentation[13:18:52] <PulkoMandy> so, we need a BWebView[13:19:04] <PulkoMandy> then we need a test application to use that, this will be MiniBrowser[13:19:16] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~matt@pool-108-52-159-210.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[13:19:29] <Rajagopalan> yes understood[13:19:38] <Rajagopalan> will let you know if im stuck[13:19:38] <PulkoMandy> at first we just need to implement loadHtml(), later on we add the back forward buttons, etc[13:20:00] <Rajagopalan> yeah i did the same with RetainPtrs[13:20:09] <Rajagopalan> just tried to mimic win implementation[13:20:15] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[13:20:33] <Rajagopalan> it didnt work but webkit people suggested to drop using retainptr[13:20:52] <Rajagopalan> so webview should be my first target[13:21:11] <Rajagopalan> btw why was there a webwindow class when we have a view?[13:21:30] <Rajagopalan> in the legacyversion?[13:24:14] <PulkoMandy> it was needed to handle some events (like enabling or disabling of the back and forward buttons)[13:24:25] <PulkoMandy> in WebKitLegacy these were sent directly to the window[13:24:32] <PulkoMandy> also updating the URL in the URL bar, etc[13:24:39] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has joined #haiku[13:25:05] <PulkoMandy> but, this is not good because it forces all apps to use the same internal design for the window, as I said, when you do a mail reader for example you do not want back and forward buttons and an URL bar[13:25:21] *** bos20k <bos20k!~bos20k@50-198-103-109-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[13:25:29] <PulkoMandy> so instead, in WebKit2, the information is exposed by the BWebView, and it is up to the application to manage it however it wants[13:26:05] *** hqk <hqk!~haqk@61-68-96-205.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[13:26:17] <Rajagopalan> that makes sense[13:26:55] <PulkoMandy> in Qt they use signals, we will probably use something with BMessage (maybe with StartWatching/SendNotices). But we can see about that a bit later[13:27:14] <PulkoMandy> if we can get a BWebView and get it to load some local html or a webpage that would be awesome already[13:27:32] *** haqk <haqk!~haqk@ec2-13-239-152-116.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:27:33] <Rajagopalan> will try my best to get it run[13:27:40] *** matthewstar <matthewstar!6d7346bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.115.70.189> has joined #haiku[13:27:51] <matthewstar> hello[13:28:35] <matthewstar> i hope virtualbox config is ok[13:28:47] <matthewstar> can i help you?[13:29:50] *** HaikuNoob <HaikuNoob!~vision452@ppp-62-216-200-128.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #haiku[13:31:00] *** hqk <hqk!~haqk@61-68-96-205.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:37:12] *** matthewstar <matthewstar!6d7346bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.115.70.189> has left #haiku[13:37:24] *** Rajagopalan-Gang <Rajagopalan-Gang!~Rajagopal@49.204.218.130> has joined #haiku[13:37:46] *** Rajagopalan-Gang <Rajagopalan-Gang!~Rajagopal@49.204.218.130> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:38:09] *** Rajagopalan-Gang <Rajagopalan-Gang!~Rajagopal@49.204.218.130> has joined #haiku[13:39:41] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:3686:9f65:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:40:27] *** Rajagopalan <Rajagopalan!~Rajagopal@49.204.218.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:42:09] *** hqk <hqk!~haqk@ec2-13-211-26-103.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[13:48:51] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-73-39-248-111.hsd1.md.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[13:50:04] <HaikuUser> after I download the frsh firmwares how do I use a different driver?[13:51:25] <PulkoMandy> nothing special to do[13:51:48] <PulkoMandy> what's your hardware that needs firmware?[13:51:54] <HaikuUser> The wifi card[13:51:59] <HaikuUser> it's supported[13:52:25] <HaikuUser> but for some reason it doesn't pick up my SSID which isn't hidden.[13:52:33] <HaikuUser> I see other Networks too.[13:52:42] <PulkoMandy> then you don't need a firmware[13:53:05] <HaikuUser> My router is also broadcasting in 2.4 and 5.[13:53:05] <PulkoMandy> otherwise you wouldn't get that far[13:53:12] <HaikuUser> I'm hardwired in now.[13:53:17] <HaikuUser> So what should I do?[13:53:36] <HaikuUser> Whenever I try to do it manually through the Terminal it disconnects[13:54:15] <PulkoMandy> report a bug and include a syslog, I guess[13:54:37] <HaikuUser> I've already done that and they mentioned to use a different driver.[13:54:48] <HaikuUser> Just with no details on how to actully switch it.[13:56:10] <HaikuUser> That's why I'm asking here[13:56:22] <PulkoMandy> link to bugreport then, please?[13:56:56] <HaikuUser> Okay let me go find it.[13:57:55] *** thaflo <thaflo!~thaflo@37.186.166.153> has joined #haiku[13:58:22] *** jhaqk <jhaqk!~haqk@ec2-13-210-84-112.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[13:58:38] *** hqk <hqk!~haqk@ec2-13-211-26-103.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:02:17] <HaikuUser> here it is[14:02:41] <HaikuUser> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/14788[14:03:10] <HaikuUser> I've already retested and it still doesn't work.[14:04:49] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:05:12] *** jhaqk <jhaqk!~haqk@ec2-13-210-84-112.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:07:26] <PulkoMandy> you should tell that in the ticket comments, and add a new syslog in case there is some more info, then[14:08:26] <HaikuUser> So there's no way to change the driver manually?[14:08:43] *** MrHuggy <MrHuggy!~MrHuggy@adsl-178-78-88-138.karoo.kcom.com> has joined #haiku[14:08:44] <PulkoMandy> I don't see what you would do, we have a single driver for each device[14:09:07] <PulkoMandy> what do you think? that we have a secret driver that works somewhere, but that we don't include it in our release images? :)[14:09:32] *** rwmjones <rwmjones!~rwmjones@2001:8b0:9ad:8728::aaaa> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in)[14:09:33] <HaikuUser> Maybe? :P[14:09:34] <dewf> shh don't talk about the secret drivers!!![14:09:49] <HaikuUser> I'm just asking what should I do next. lol[14:09:55] *** rwmjones <rwmjones!~rwmjones@230.83.187.81.in-addr.arpa> has joined #haiku[14:10:25] <PulkoMandy> well, notify waddlesplash in the ticket that it still doesn't work, and add an updated syslog[14:10:48] <PulkoMandy> at least we will know that there is still a problem to fix then[14:15:21] <HaikuUser> ok ill try that[14:15:27] <HaikuUser> where's the syslog again?[14:15:30] <HaikuUser> It[14:15:36] <HaikuUser> it's been a while[14:17:25] *** jhaqk <jhaqk!~haqk@ec2-54-79-95-112.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[14:18:19] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: yeah there is no such thing as "alternative drivers"[14:19:01] <waddlesplash> what do you mean "it disconnects" when you try to connect via ifconfig? that it doesn't connect at all or it does but randomly disconnects?[14:21:04] <HaikuUser> Okay i updated the ticket.[14:21:22] <HaikuUser> So I never actually get connected.[14:21:23] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: the syslog in the ticket shows that the firmware panics, apparently[14:21:55] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: please attach the syslog to the ticket directly instead of using pastebin[14:22:07] <HaikuUser> I see the SSID sometimes, and when I put in the right password. It trys to connect, but then it never actually connects.[14:22:08] *** HAIKU-irker479 <HAIKU-irker479!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[14:22:08] <HAIKU-irker479> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev52998 [2 commits] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3392267267b6+%5E660dea3f6a6d[14:22:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-irker479[14:22:09] <HAIKU-irker479> 0e80d80a556e: libroot/riscv64: Fix misplaced ppc[14:22:09] <HAIKU-irker479> 3392267267b6: libroot/riscv32: Fix incorrect riscv64 reference[14:23:39] *** k_ <k_!b64b2d01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.75.45.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:24:30] <HaikuUser> I updated the ticket by the way.[14:24:50] <waddlesplash> yes, but you used pastebin instead of attaching the file[14:25:02] <waddlesplash> the submittingpatches guidelines say to attach files instead of using pastebin...[14:25:21] <waddlesplash> er, I mean the submitting bug reports guidelines[14:25:32] *** GeekShadow <GeekShadow!~antoine@nzf.turmel.info> has joined #haiku[14:25:32] *** GeekShadow <GeekShadow!~antoine@nzf.turmel.info> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:25:32] *** GeekShadow <GeekShadow!~antoine@reactos/tester/GeekShadow> has joined #haiku[14:26:35] <HaikuUser> Okay let me attach it.[14:26:44] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: uh, I specifically requested you retest after hrev52730, but this syslog is from hrev52295_96[14:26:51] <waddlesplash> so ... why have you not tried that?[14:27:02] *** leorize <leorize!~leorize@2001:ee0:4101:88c9::5f9b> has joined #haiku[14:27:58] <HaikuUser> Am I supposed to be using the nightly images or the beta release?[14:28:10] <HaikuUser> I'm using the Beta release, but it's updated[14:28:48] <waddlesplash> the beta is always hrev52295_xx[14:29:03] <waddlesplash> hrev52730 is obviously a much higher number and is thus a nightly[14:29:35] <HaikuUser> Okay let me install the latest nighty. I'll be right back.[14:29:38] <waddlesplash> ok[14:31:13] <jjpx> there is a game asking for libstdc++.r4.so, what can i do? it compiled fine[14:31:42] <waddlesplash> that's the GCC2 c++ lib[14:32:33] <jjpx> i compiled withing setarch[14:33:00] <waddlesplash> well then for some reason you linked against libstdc++.r4 mistakenly[14:33:17] <waddlesplash> strange that it linked at all; possibly libtool or something else was confused?[14:33:27] <jjpx> it is a cmake thing[14:34:00] <jjpx> aw, i'm on beta[14:34:05] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-73-39-248-111.hsd1.md.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:34:31] <jjpx> but it should work[14:35:34] <waddlesplash> cmake may be confused then[14:42:23] <HaikuNoob> Does Haiku have any program to mount or decompress ISO files?[14:43:03] <waddlesplash> HaikuNoob: double click to mount[14:43:53] <HaikuNoob> for me only media player opens[14:44:07] <waddlesplash> they were incorrectly sniffed then[14:44:16] <waddlesplash> you can use the "mount" command to mount them manually in terminal;[14:44:30] <jjpx> or correctly sniffed as a playable cd[14:45:09] <HaikuNoob> No, it's an ISO of a DVD[14:46:11] <HaikuNoob> what do I have to change it to so i can just mount it with a double click?[14:47:00] <waddlesplash> the mimetype probably[14:47:03] <waddlesplash> to what I can't recall[14:47:13] <waddlesplash> in the long run we should fix the sniff rule[14:49:27] <HaikuNoob> I changed it to ISO CD image and it seems to work[14:57:04] *** swerner <swerner!~swerner@ipbcc2a6f2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:57:06] *** k_ <k_!6adc1bc9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.106.220.27.201> has joined #haiku[14:57:36] *** swerner <swerner!~swerner@ipbcc2a6f2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #haiku[15:01:37] <jjpx> weirdest thing is that all files are plain C[15:03:46] <waddlesplash> something just pulled it in unnecessarily then[15:06:10] *** bos20k_ <bos20k_!~bos20k@50-198-103-109-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[15:07:17] *** HaikuNoob <HaikuNoob!~vision452@ppp-62-216-200-128.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[15:07:31] *** jqkh <jqkh!~haqk@ec2-13-211-176-54.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[15:08:14] <abhinav__> Hello everyone, this is Abhinav. I am interested in working on the USB support for NETBSD network compatibility layer project for GSoC 2019. I have read the students page on the website and wanted to reach out.[15:09:13] *** bos20k <bos20k!~bos20k@50-198-103-109-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:10:08] *** jhaqk <jhaqk!~haqk@ec2-54-79-95-112.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:10:49] <HAIKU-irker479> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev52999 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e2c7bb900cf8+%5E3392267267b6[15:10:50] <HAIKU-irker479> e2c7bb900cf8: Add Reboot Check to BPackageRoster[15:11:26] <waddlesplash> abhinav__: great![15:18:24] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:21:05] *** jqkh <jqkh!~haqk@ec2-13-211-176-54.ap-southeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)[15:23:47] *** marxo <marxo!~marxo@cable-188-2-177-241.dynamic.sbb.rs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:32:06] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@111.193.29.163> has joined #haiku[15:38:52] <jjpx> waddlesplash, got it, Wl,-rpath was pointing to /packages[15:39:45] <waddlesplash> lol[15:45:05] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!~bbjimmy@host-67-44-193-78.hnremote.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[15:46:34] <waddlesplash> abhinav__: I'd recommend submitting some USB related patches, to start with[15:46:50] <waddlesplash> do you have any experience working on USB drivers, or with libusb, etc?[15:48:50] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Not much.. But I am willing to learn. I just researched how linux usb drivers are written[15:49:05] <waddlesplash> I would avoid looking at Linux code altogether[15:49:17] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Ok![15:49:19] <waddlesplash> it is very difficult to read and the drivers especially are badly written[15:49:36] <waddlesplash> FreeBSD is obviously what we take the WiFi drivers from, their code is much better[15:49:38] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!~bbjimmy@host-67-44-193-78.hnremote.net> has joined #haiku[15:50:23] <waddlesplash> so, if you want to read code, I recommend looking at FreeBSD's "rtwn" driver (this is a combination PCI/USB driver for Realtek WiFi hardware; most USB WiFi dongles are this)[15:50:43] <waddlesplash> and then to get familiar with our APIs, have a look at our "usb_ecm" driver (USB Ethernet)[15:50:51] *** swerner <swerner!~swerner@ipbcc2a6f2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC ()[15:51:28] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Ok understood.[15:51:50] <waddlesplash> if you have some USB ethernet hardware, you can try it out under Haiku. ECM hardware works well; ASIX hardware needs some work (that's the usb_asix driver)[15:51:59] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:52:27] <waddlesplash> so if you have some of the broken ASIX devices, you can try to fix them; that might be a good first patch. There's a few tickets about this with some existing investigation :)[15:52:44] <waddlesplash> please do send me a message with any questions![15:54:47] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has joined #haiku[16:01:55] *** brj <brj!~brj@203.109.108.1> has joined #haiku[16:03:22] *** Dood1 <Dood1!~vision@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[16:05:25] <abhinav__> I dont have any ethernet hardware except for my phone.[16:05:27] *** Dood1 <Dood1!~vision@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:05:48] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has joined #haiku[16:07:38] <abhinav__> I am not sure what an ASIX device is?[16:10:12] <dewf> abhinav__: USB-to-LAN devices it looks like[16:10:22] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:13:18] <waddlesplash> abhinav__: not sure if we support Android tethering or not; I think there was some issue but I don't remember what it was[16:13:23] <waddlesplash> may be worth investigating :)[16:16:55] <abhinav__> dewf: got it![16:16:55] <abhinav__> But I dont have that too..[16:18:10] *** matthewstar <matthewstar!6d7346bd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.115.70.189> has joined #haiku[16:18:34] <matthewstar> hello !!![16:19:23] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Ya I'll look at it[16:19:49] <abhinav__> Where to look for it?[16:19:49] <abhinav__> Sorry I'm a bit new here :)[16:23:04] <matthewstar> is there in haikudepot a hpkg with all source code?[16:23:59] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~Bruno@ipservice-092-211-214-241.092.211.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:24:06] <BrunoSpr> hello all[16:24:21] <matthewstar> hello BrunoSpr[16:24:51] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has joined #haiku[16:25:18] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: spr is spring?[16:26:01] <PulkoMandy> hi![16:26:19] <matthewstar> hi PulkoMandy[16:26:22] <PulkoMandy> abhinav__: for USB to ethernet on phones, we have an usb_ecm driver, however it does not work with all phones[16:27:10] <abhinav__> PulkoMandy: I'll try it with mine[16:27:11] <PulkoMandy> this is because usb-ecm has various profiles, some are very simple (basically send ethernet frames over some USB endpoint) but other are more complicated (for example for wifi where you have to select networks, etc)[16:27:31] <PulkoMandy> the nice thing about usb-ecm however, is that it is standardized and documented, so it may be a good first target[16:27:57] <PulkoMandy> even if our existing driver already works, getting the FreeBSD one to run in Haiku and replacing the existing driver would be a way to start this project[16:28:08] <PulkoMandy> and once that's done, we can see about porting other drivers[16:28:17] <jjpx> gcc defines __HAIKU__, right?[16:28:58] <BrunoSpr> hi matthewstar... it is part of my surename[16:29:02] <PulkoMandy> the less nice thing about standards like usb-ecm, is that sometimes the hardware does not exactly implement the spec, so there may be some surprises. But, if your phone works in FreeBSD for USB tethering, then it should work with the same driver on Haiku, too[16:29:11] <BrunoSpr> spring here near too...[16:29:30] <BrunoSpr> spring is nice btw... ;-)[16:29:47] <jjpx> winter is coming here[16:30:11] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: the best season but i love also hot of summer ...[16:30:48] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: here in summer 35 - 40 degrees celsius ...[16:31:18] <BrunoSpr> Summer is nice in Europe but not near the Aequator[16:31:34] <BrunoSpr> I just came back from South India...[16:31:40] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: too hot ?[16:31:45] <BrunoSpr> 35 - 40 degrees...[16:31:51] <BrunoSpr> yes too hot...[16:31:53] <matthewstar> wow[16:32:15] <BrunoSpr> only morning and evening ok for activities outside...[16:32:39] <BrunoSpr> I like 25 degrees[16:32:56] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: me too in summer ok in evening 21 - 24[16:33:38] <abhinav__> PulkoMandy: I am not sure if usb tethering works with FreeBSD either.[16:34:18] <matthewstar> jjpx: winter ok if you have a lot of wood to burn =0)[16:35:54] <matthewstar> jjpx: i have a fireplace[16:36:58] <matthewstar> jjpx: fireplace is the center of the house ...[16:37:10] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@dslb-188-110-161-096.188.110.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:37:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:37:20] <BrunoSpr> is it possible to use Jquery with Haiku and Poorman?[16:37:36] <BrunoSpr> just a question...[16:38:01] <BrunoSpr> hi adrien[16:38:22] <jjpx> Poorman serves any file[16:38:34] *** thaflo <thaflo!~thaflo@37.186.166.153> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[16:39:07] <abhinav__> PulkoMandy: Wow the project looks quite interesting[16:39:53] <BrunoSpr> USB over phone? interresing![16:39:56] <jjpx> BrunoSpr, it just cannot execute them i.e. php[16:40:18] <BrunoSpr> ah yes I remember!!![16:40:37] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy, abhinav__, I'd recommend keeping our own ECM driver, and instead starting with the Realtek WiFi driver[16:41:06] <waddlesplash> I already have a branch where I added all the required stubs to get the driver to compile[16:41:24] <waddlesplash> but I didn't implement most of them nor rework the compat layer to support non PCI devices[16:42:13] <matthewstar> a way to test network is : ping gateway ...[16:42:20] <matthewstar> ping dns[16:42:28] <BrunoSpr> Matthewstar... fireplace is nice only if you have enoug wood arround...[16:42:29] <matthewstar> ping google[16:43:05] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: i have ... only 700 euros / winter[16:43:47] <BrunoSpr> 700 euros for wood per winter is ok?[16:44:13] <BrunoSpr> same prize here in europe for winter...[16:44:30] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: of methane is 1500[16:44:35] <BrunoSpr> price?![16:44:48] <BrunoSpr> thats expensive...[16:45:00] <BrunoSpr> should be cheaper...[16:45:13] <BrunoSpr> wood is 700 only?[16:45:24] <BrunoSpr> strange world...[16:45:37] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: italy is strange also ...[16:45:58] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Ya that is good. Any reason why the FreeBSD ECM driver is better than the present one?[16:46:22] <waddlesplash> abhinav__: I don't think it is?[16:46:38] <waddlesplash> Perhaps it supports WiFi, but I don't think that part of ECM is too hard[16:46:54] <matthewstar> coffee time ... see you later !!![16:50:44] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Maybe we can include that in the project too![16:51:03] *** LadySerena <LadySerena!~jlhawkwel@unaffiliated/ladyserena> has joined #haiku[16:51:15] <LadySerena> mew mew[16:52:42] * humdinger throws some Breekies[16:52:47] <humdinger> *Brekkies[16:53:10] <humdinger> "Breekies" confuse the cat[16:53:33] *** yutayu <yutayu!~pi@PPPa3808.e13.eacc.dti.ne.jp> has joined #haiku[16:53:36] *** Psud0nym <Psud0nym!~Psud0nym@c-73-207-186-168.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[16:55:02] *** Diver1 <Diver1!~Diver__@193.203.100.11> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:55:05] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF008DACFBAE4AC2514E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:59:55] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF008DACFBAE4AC2514E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:07:51] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p200300E90F251D009C42736CC5E8A0B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[17:09:04] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:11:02] *** Megaf <Megaf!~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf> has joined #haiku[17:14:28] <PulkoMandy> abhinav__ I let you discuss this with waddlesplash then, he knows the current state of things better than me and I'm already mentoring enough people :)[17:16:00] <waddlesplash> abhinav__: well that would be a very different task than FreeBSD USB support :)[17:16:07] <waddlesplash> almost a different project even[17:16:14] *** nepugia <nepugia!~nepugia@200116b8646b6e00d25099fffe4e8f9a.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has joined #haiku[17:16:27] <abhinav__> waddlesplash: Oh ok![17:16:50] <abhinav__> PulkoMandy: Ok! Cool[17:25:10] <BrunoSpr> Is it be possible to change the window size in Framebuffer?[17:25:25] <BrunoSpr> sorry I mean the screen size...[17:26:29] <BrunoSpr> with VESA I get 6 sizes to choose from... in Framebuffer there is only one by default...[17:28:52] *** dewf <dewf!~dewf@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:29:13] <waddlesplash> BrunoSpr: because EFI doesn't let us change after boot[17:29:36] <waddlesplash> you can get a different mode by editing the VESA settings file[17:30:40] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@2a02:2168:86c4:e400:58be:dc1b:98bb:20f4> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:32:44] <nepugia> Welp, the clock settings are annoying me, maybe i should learn some cpp to improve em[17:33:32] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Build haiku-x86_64 #303 is complete: Success [build successful] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/50/builds/303[17:34:49] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@public-gprs360034.centertel.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:37:20] <waddlesplash> nepugia: how so? and please :)[17:38:50] <nepugia> Well, you can only enter times < 10 with the keyboard into the widget, also the 24H/(AM|PM) switch is somewhere in locale setup[17:39:24] <matthewstar> BrunoSpr: what is a framebuffer?[17:39:51] <nepugia> some stuff could be improved to tell you that the cmos clock is broken i suppose aswell (i know this because mine is), the ntp on boot will silently fail without internet and not retry afaik, and the haiku updater will fail without specifying an error (because TLS is in the future :3)[17:42:09] <matthewstar> ok with virtualboxes?[17:43:38] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@2a02:2168:86c4:e400:bc9a:38f4:f3f6:4926> has joined #haiku[17:43:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Diver[17:47:44] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@103.40.199.197> has joined #haiku[17:50:02] <matthewstar> Diver: adium app[17:50:03] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@111.193.29.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:50:28] <matthewstar> Diver: adium app @ mac?[17:50:31] <waddlesplash> nepugia: yes, launch daemon should not start the clock sync till network up[17:53:53] *** k_ <k_!6adc1bc9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.106.220.27.201> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:00:18] <HAIKU-irker479> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev53000 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9fef538b5b28+%5Ee2c7bb900cf8[18:00:19] <HAIKU-irker479> 9fef538b5b28: DHCP: fix timeout handling[18:10:05] <BrunoSpr> framebuffer is the VES[18:10:10] <BrunoSpr> VESA[18:10:19] <BrunoSpr> from EFI[18:10:55] <BrunoSpr> You will get VESA or FRAMEBUFFER if your Grafic-Card is not supported![18:12:01] <BrunoSpr> You can check if you look in your screen preferences if you use VESA or FRAMEBUFFER[18:15:02] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~Bruno@ipservice-092-211-214-241.092.211.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[18:18:45] <matthewstar> thanks[18:20:56] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@82-183-10-104.customers.ownit.se> 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<Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:51:18] <Vidrep_64> The last commit got me thinking about this issue: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12300[19:52:09] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@103.40.199.197> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:53:00] <waddlesplash> Vidrep_64: you can retest but I think that's a different bug[19:53:39] <waddlesplash> Vidrep_64: yeah, that's a dupe of #9695[19:54:01] <Vidrep_64> And related tickets...https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11938#comment:11[19:54:21] <waddlesplash> Vidrep_64: commented https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11938#comment:12[19:55:10] *** Vidrep_64 <Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[19:55:31] *** Vidrep_64 <Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:57:45] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-153-226.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[19:57:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[19:59:13] *** Megaf 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[haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy a4b9721 - ghostscript: cleaner/working fix for building shared libs[20:11:41] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 191d78b - Add recipe for Ghostscript 8.14.[20:11:42] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy f1cf7cd - ghostscript8: re-include the BeOS patches[20:11:44] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 336ec21 - lwtools: bump.[20:36:47] *** Megaf <Megaf!~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:42:52] *** Glider_IRC_ <Glider_IRC_!~Glider_IR@37.165.254.21> has joined #haiku[20:46:25] *** Glider_IRC__ <Glider_IRC__!~Glider_IR@37.170.120.235> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:47:35] <Vidrep_64> Is the project still on a timeline to release Beta 2 sometime this coming fall?[20:49:56] <Vidrep_64> Hi humdinger[20:50:08] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF0004DAFE75A5759EA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:50:46] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF0004DAFE75A5759EA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:51:02] *** Maturion <Maturion!~Maturion@p200300EDE704EF0004DAFE75A5759EA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:51:20] <humdinger> hullo Vidrep_64[20:51:48] <Vidrep_64> I saw my name came up in the ML.[20:52:08] *** elkalamar_ <elkalamar_!elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:52:17] <humdinger> you're famous :)[20:52:27] <Vidrep_64> Or infamous lol[20:52:31] *** elkalamar_ <elkalamar_!elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar> has joined #haiku[20:54:13] <Vidrep_64> I hope the whole episode is resolved to everyones satisfaction soon[20:55:14] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://git.io/fjv7S[20:55:15] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 68a7a0e - gcc6809: update patch to latest upstream version.[20:55:19] <Vidrep_64> Sometimes things said on IRC are interpreted differently than what the person inteneded. I've seen it myself on occassion[20:55:58] <humdinger> One can hope, but chances for everyone being happy are slim...[20:56:16] <Vidrep_64> Not everyone will be happy either way[20:56:44] <humdinger> that's why mindful communication is key.[20:57:05] <humdinger> If that is not possible for some, it'll end poorly eventually.[21:00:22] *** HAIKU-irker479 <HAIKU-irker479!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Quit: transmission timeout)[21:01:21] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep_64: I think yes, we have enough new stuff for a release, right?[21:01:32] <PulkoMandy> and we're already telling people to use nightly builds, so... :)[21:02:15] <Vidrep_64> I remember when I first started submitting bug reports to trac. One of the devs (unnamed) came across to me as very terse. I wanted to quit right then and there[21:02:36] <Vidrep_64> However, as it turned out, I was mistaken.[21:03:30] <Vidrep_64> PulkoMandy, we've progressed in quite a few areas since Beta 1[21:03:53] <PulkoMandy> I try to be welcoming to new people but sometimes I'm a bit frustrated of saying the same thing over and over when it's already written in the "submitting tickets" page[21:04:05] <PulkoMandy> 'please add a syslog' being probably the most common instancde[21:04:17] <Vidrep_64> It wasn't you :)[21:04:48] <Vidrep_64> That particular dev and I chat occassionally. It's all good[21:05:32] <Vidrep_64> I don't think anyone is an ogre here[21:06:13] <Vidrep_64> PulkoMandy, will there be any kind of push to resolve Intel extreme before Beta 2?[21:09:21] <PulkoMandy> if I have time or if someone else does it[21:09:44] <PulkoMandy> there was an user investigating a few days ago[21:10:07] <PulkoMandy> on my machine the internal display works, but maybe I'll have a try at VGA out and doing some cleanup of the driver[21:10:22] <PulkoMandy> if I don't get distracted too much by SD cards, sparc port, or other non-haiku things[21:11:45] <Vidrep_64> Fortunately VESA provides the wide screen resolutions for most of the non-working Intel chipsets[21:16:36] *** illwieckz_ is now known as illwieckz[21:17:29] <humdinger> yes. but to counter the "black-screen" issue, we'll have to remove the unsupported intel ids from the driver before beta2 this time.[21:19:41] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[21:20:28] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[21:21:22] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[21:25:56] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[21:28:20] <PulkoMandy> but is there a list of unsupported IDs[21:28:25] <PulkoMandy> or is it something else?[21:28:44] <PulkoMandy> for example my desktop machine is a modern chip (well ok it's some years old now), but works fine[21:28:54] <PulkoMandy> and it's possible that other devices with the same ID don't work[21:29:12] <PulkoMandy> do we have a way to know. Is one of our HW databases storing such info?[21:29:28] <PulkoMandy> because in the bugreports we know only about systems that don't work[21:31:12] <Vidrep_64> I believe waddlesplash was compiling a list just before Beta 1 was released. I remember submitting device ID's for the non-working chipsets I use[21:32:00] <Vidrep_64> There was a spreadsheet on Google as well, where we were at one time tracking all of this[21:32:21] <jjpx> that is the list from appgreiman[21:33:25] <PulkoMandy> no, there was a spreadsheet specifically for intel videocards indeed[21:33:28] <PulkoMandy> but not much data in it[21:33:43] <PulkoMandy> can someone take care of collecting all the info in a single place?[21:34:09] <PulkoMandy> if there is a clear pattern (eg. several nonworking and no working machine with the same id), we can remove IDs from the driver[21:34:18] <PulkoMandy> but if it's more mixed, it will be hard to do[21:34:46] <jjpx> i was thinking about a hardware compatibility list and some kind of formal testing[21:34:49] <PulkoMandy> ideally that would be done in the wiki page for the driver, so we can link to the tickets and have them automatically show as strikethrough as they get solved[21:35:02] <jjpx> a searchable database[21:35:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, please do that[21:35:22] <PulkoMandy> it is not something the haiku devs themselves will take care of, we have enough things to do already[21:35:35] <PulkoMandy> so if you want to contribute something to Haiku and don't want to do C++...[21:36:44] <Vidrep_64> There are about 6 tabs on the spreadsheeet for different hrevs[21:38:01] * humdinger powers down for today.[21:38:08] <jjpx> PulkoMandy, indeed i already did the database design[21:38:10] <humdinger> cu everyone[21:38:12] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@dslb-188-110-161-096.188.110.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[21:38:21] <jjpx> based on oracle HCL website[21:39:11] <Vidrep_64> Last tested hrev 50522 - needs an up[date[21:39:43] <Vidrep_64> There appears to be one regression there[22:05:34] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!~bbjimmy@host-67-44-193-78.hnremote.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:05:47] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!~bbjimmy@host-67-44-193-78.hnremote.net> has joined #haiku[22:07:50] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has joined #haiku[22:08:44] *** Psud0nym <Psud0nym!~Psud0nym@c-73-207-186-168.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:09:59] *** Psud0nym <Psud0nym!~Psud0nym@c-73-207-186-168.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[22:11:30] *** elkalamar__ <elkalamar__!elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar> has joined #haiku[22:11:43] *** elkalamar_ <elkalamar_!elkalamar@unaffiliated/elkalamar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:11:57] *** KapiX <KapiX!~Thunderbi@2a02:a31c:853f:7c00:329c:23ff:fe65:3b5> has quit IRC (Quit: KapiX)[22:11:58] *** cmkat <cmkat!~cmkat@181.135.127.10> has joined #haiku[22:12:12] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:22:19] *** brj <brj!~brj@203.109.108.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:28:39] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@82-183-10-104.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[22:37:35] *** B2IT <B2IT!B2IT@www.agmsmith.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[22:39:35] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-153-226.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[22:43:00] *** brj <brj!~brj@203.109.108.114> has joined #haiku[23:09:24] *** brj <brj!~brj@203.109.108.114> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:11:08] *** mw|_ is now known as mw|[23:31:19] *** bobby <bobby!~Bob@76.202.115.164> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:36:06] *** bobby <bobby!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:cdc7:5c2b:f424:5733> has joined #haiku[23:38:08] *** B2IT <B2IT!B2IT@www.agmsmith.ca> has joined #haiku[23:38:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v B2IT[23:43:38] *** bobby <bobby!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:cdc7:5c2b:f424:5733> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:43:57] *** Bob- <Bob-!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:e087:9915:9acd:d77> has joined #haiku[23:46:08] *** Guest95 <Guest95!~textual@p200300EB5F2F37621519A946292B60CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[23:46:49] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@unaffiliated/gouchi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:49:00] *** bobby <bobby!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:d504:62e2:640f:c79a> has joined #haiku[23:49:02] *** Guest95 <Guest95!~textual@p200300EB5F2F37621519A946292B60CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:49:07] *** embden <embden!~embden@185.202.212.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:49:21] *** Guest95 <Guest95!~textual@p200300EB5F2F37621519A946292B60CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[23:49:52] *** Bob- <Bob-!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:e087:9915:9acd:d77> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:50:05] *** Guest95 is now known as JoJoDe[23:58:21] *** bobby <bobby!~Bob@2600:1700:31f0:8180:d504:62e2:640f:c79a> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)