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[01:57:49] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
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[02:36:48] <GregCrain> waddlespash: Any feedback from your XHCI changes today?
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[02:39:34] <GregCrain> I get TRB completion code error 19.. Context State error,
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[02:44:44] <CountryfiedLinux> How's the printer driver support for Haiku?
[02:44:54] <CountryfiedLinux> I have a Brother HL-L2320D
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[03:12:04] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: yes, I also see that on device unplug
[03:12:30] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: likely harmless response to us trying to disable a context which does not exist. Check the command code
[03:12:46] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: or did you see this before my changes yesterday night?
[03:13:03] <waddlesplash> CountryfiedLinux: it's "okay" (on nightlies, more broken on beta)
[03:13:23] <waddlesplash> printing to Brother machines seems to work via PCL4 or Gutenprint drivers, more or less
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[03:14:37] <CountryfiedLinux> waddlesplash, Is there a list of specific drivers?
[03:15:13] <waddlesplash> no, because all the ones that work are included already
[03:15:32] <waddlesplash> honestly our printing system needs a massive refactor or even a rewrite, it's kinda garbage
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[03:16:36] <waddlesplash> but it does work, it's just mega confusing at times and kinda finicky
[03:16:48] <waddlesplash> the code quality is what's garbage
[03:17:02] <CountryfiedLinux> Can I test my printer in a live session?
[03:18:23] <waddlesplash> you can do virtually anything in a live session
[03:18:34] <CountryfiedLinux> Oh ok thanks.
[03:18:58] <waddlesplash> you're just restricted by RAM, as whatever changes you make to the filesystem must be recorded of course
[03:19:38] <waddlesplash> but if you are booted from USB, that's not a "live session" technically, you are just booted normally and can make changes that will persist
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[07:45:22] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: btw, the printing system itself is ok, the ugly code is mostly in libprint which drivers aren't required to use
[07:45:47] <PulkoMandy> but I should finish up my work on the Apple Stylewriter driver I guess :>
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[11:08:01] <leemon> hello, are there any unit tests in haiku?
[11:08:54] <leemon> I found src/tests/ but it doesn't look like usual unit tests
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[11:54:20] <King_Warg> hmm i wonder what protocol revision the beos yahoo client implements
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[14:54:47] <IIsi50MHz> Hei, King_Warg o/
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[15:05:32] <King_Warg> \o/
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[15:17:42] <matthewstar> hello =0)
[15:19:07] <matthewstar> ah ...
[15:19:32] <matthewstar> whats about creative commons licences ?
[15:20:28] <matthewstar> the problem is that freebsd has a devil as icon ...
[15:20:37] <matthewstar> not positive ...
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[15:29:01] <King_Warg> we cant all be like AROS
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[15:30:33] <matthewstar> King_Warg: why not take all the best?
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[15:38:25] <matthewstar> downloading beta 1 ...
[15:38:42] <matthewstar> will go on a virtualbox ...
[15:39:03] <matthewstar> to share =0)
[15:39:31] <matthewstar> i love haiku ...
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[16:04:01] <mmu_man> King_Warg: well, the AROS logo might be qualified as sexist by some, so nobody's perfect
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[16:28:10] <nepugia> why would a devil be negative? it's like an angel, just without the chains of some entity that wants to control everything ;)
[16:31:01] <nepugia> i wonder how far gpu acceleration is, and whether haiku will also get linux's drm stack like everyone else :3
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[16:39:37] <leorize> for some reason my hp keyboard won't work unless I turn acpi off :/
[16:40:13] <leorize> and if I turn acpi off I'd have to use the vesa driver...
[16:40:48] <Forza> Hello everyone :-)
[16:41:37] <Forza> I read something about Btrfs in Haiku in the monthly report. Is the idea to support this filesystem?
[16:41:46] <leorize> it's already supported :P
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[16:43:35] <Forza> :o
[16:43:56] <Forza> Really? Cool
[16:45:21] <Forza> Snaps and subvol etc too? Is the idea to move to use it in place of Bfs as root?
[16:45:29] * nepugia mumbles about ZFS
[16:45:53] <leorize> I don't know :P
[16:46:24] <Forza> nepugia: zfs could maybe be ported from freebsd?
[16:47:40] <nepugia> Seeing as FreeBSD is about to switch their implementation with the ZOL one you might aswell go with that :)
[16:48:04] <Forza> For some reason I like Btrfs better than ZFS.. Better memory usage at least
[16:48:49] <nepugia> Dunno about that, i am quite happy with ZFS, did you compare both on linux?
[16:48:50] <Forza> Really.. Freebsd taking anything from Linux must be tough for some to accept :)
[16:49:13] <nepugia> how so? it's basically the same code as before, upstream just changes
[16:49:13] <Forza> Yes, running Gentoo.
[16:49:34] <nepugia> FreeBSD only picks the good parts ;)
[16:49:43] <nepugia> and haiku picks the good parts from FreeBSD :P
[16:50:12] <Forza> Hehe yes
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[16:53:56] <nepugia> so, does haiku also get DRM from linux?
[16:54:21] <nepugia> i mean, i would run it without gpu acceleration on my laptop... but for some reason the only driver that i know off to support my backlight is the linux radeon driver
[16:54:32] <nepugia> so kinda need that, for the sake of my eyesight :D
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[16:56:44] <leorize> Forza: the memory usage is just for the cache, it's not too invasive :p
[16:57:06] <Forza> Still like Btrfs better :p
[16:57:10] <leorize> I'm scared of btrfs nowadays, given that it ate my data thrice
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[16:58:51] <leorize> nepugia: I think there are plans for linux's drm on haiku, but you should ask waddlesplash
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[17:10:26] <Forza> leorize: really? Never had eaten data, but sure some problems.
[17:10:57] <nepugia> A good filesystem should use my entire unused RAM for caching :)
[17:11:50] <leorize> a good file system mark that part so your os would happily hide it away :)
[17:11:59] <nepugia> Why would it?
[17:12:06] <nepugia> the OS is the one who does the FS anyway
[17:12:12] <leorize> Forza: yea, but that was in the 3.xx era
[17:12:22] <nepugia> why pretend that your RAM is empty when it is in the state it should be
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[17:12:47] <nepugia> (You can see what stuff is using the RAM anyway)
[17:12:58] <leorize> well, not exactly "hide" them, but present them to tools properly so they can choose to hide them
[17:14:03] <leorize> like how you'd never see the CPU % that drivers are using because most programs hide that fact
[17:15:18] <Forza> Normally kernel time is shown?
[17:15:55] <nepugia> It is presented to tools properly, it sais which kernel thread is using the RAM, if you want to hide that go ahead, nothing stopping you :)
[17:16:25] <nepugia> Also, atleast in my task manager of choice i always want to see the CPU % that drivers are using
[17:16:33] <nepugia> especially on battery contrained systems
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[17:31:28] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/fjew6
[17:31:29] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] arnavbhatt288 616b7f9 - Recipe for Bic (BeInterfaceCreator) (App doesn't build on Haiku) (#3422)
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[18:12:33] <waddlesplash> Forza: btrfs is awful, it is very badly designed and eats space like mad for "metadata storage"
[18:12:44] <waddlesplash> if anything we'd take a page from XFS
[18:15:06] <PulkoMandy> badly designed I don't know, not suitable for our needs, quite possibly
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[18:16:49] <King_Warg> FAT12 4 life
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[18:23:20] <mmu_man> FAT12 (or FAT16) could be made to support xattrs btw
[18:23:25] <mmu_man> IBM did that for OS/2
[18:26:03] <extrowerk> http://0x0.st/zX2R.png
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[18:29:25] <mmu_man> java? WeirdX ?
[18:30:04] <mmu_man> I think I mention that in my paper: http://dcevents.dublincore.org/IntConf/dc-2011/paper/view/53
[18:30:18] <extrowerk> yep
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[18:32:53] <waddlesplash> extrowerk: I challenge you to get Firefox build configure to work
[18:33:02] <extrowerk> http://0x0.st/zX_s.png
[18:33:09] <waddlesplash> extrowerk: bonus points if it actually can compile 1 file :p
[18:33:11] <extrowerk> waddlesplash: i already lost then
[18:33:27] <waddlesplash> yes but these are all running on Linux right?
[18:33:34] <waddlesplash> you just SSHed
[18:33:42] <extrowerk> yes
[18:33:49] <waddlesplash> aww, why not at least try?
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[18:34:07] <waddlesplash> you got Blender to work, why not attempt Firefox
[18:34:53] <extrowerk> is it some kind of motivational-speech? you are doing it wrong then.
[18:35:09] <extrowerk> what works for me is telling to me, something is impossible.
[18:35:18] <extrowerk> then i drop everything to show it isn't.
[18:35:48] <waddlesplash> well so far everyone says it is
[18:35:59] <waddlesplash> too many dependencies and no good backend to use them
[18:36:20] <jjpx> it's impossible to run windows binaries on Haiku.
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[18:36:56] <extrowerk> jjpx: not true, check my wine branch.
[18:37:03] <extrowerk> it is possible, but it will crash, ofc.
[18:37:11] <jjpx> ouch
[18:37:35] <extrowerk> or talk to that guy at hackernews who said he have a working wine haiku port
[18:37:47] <waddlesplash> yes, I replied to him but he didn't reply to me
[18:37:55] <waddlesplash> I should try to contact him elsewhere
[18:38:13] <extrowerk> i have seen your reply
[18:38:37] <waddlesplash> anyway ... "Firefox is impossible"
[18:38:42] <waddlesplash> there, I said it :P
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[18:45:12] <bbjimmy> waddlesplash wyhy is there no haikuwebkit update on 32 bit haiku?
[18:45:21] <bbjimmy> *why
[18:46:30] <bbjimmy> we're on 1.6.8 on gcc2
[18:48:23] <waddlesplash> bbjimmy: I don't know, probably the buildmaster failed to build it for some reason
[18:48:44] <PulkoMandy> hi there, does anyone happen to have a copy of Ghostscript for BeOS newer than 5.02? According to the Sum Software webpage they seem to have ported versions at last up to 7.00 but I can't find a copy of that
[18:49:03] <PulkoMandy> I contacted them, they say they had upstreamed their work, but I don't see it in upstream source archives...
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[18:51:14] <bbjimmy> ok I guess we just wait for all the crashes to go away.
[18:52:14] <Vidrep_64> I'm experiencing tracker crashes whenever I right click on a debug report on my desktop
[18:52:30] <Vidrep_64> Anyone else having issues?
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[18:57:04] <extrowerk> Vidrep_64: do you have trcker git addon installed?
[18:57:40] <Vidrep_64> I do
[18:57:51] <Vidrep_64> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/14958
[18:58:00] <extrowerk> remove it
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[18:58:32] <extrowerk> i mean the addon
[18:59:10] <Vidrep_64> Trackgit removed, and now no more crash
[18:59:58] <waddlesplash> Vidrep_64: then close your ticket please :)
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[19:03:52] <Vidrep_64> This reminds me of the odd interaction between PhotoGrabber and Sanity
[19:04:11] <Vidrep_64> PhotoGrabber will crash, unless the sanity app is also installed
[19:05:35] <extrowerk> X11 trough ssh is pretty slow.
[19:05:46] <extrowerk> somehow the programs takes ages to load
[19:05:54] <extrowerk> after that they working just fine
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[19:07:16] <extrowerk> http://0x0.st/zX_1.png
[19:09:17] <extrowerk> most important screenshot of the day
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[19:17:20] <Begasus> g'evening peeps
[19:17:51] <Lelldorin1> hi GeekShadow
[19:17:54] <Lelldorin1> lol
[19:17:58] <Lelldorin1> hi Begasus
[19:18:17] <Begasus> hi Lelldorin1 !
[19:20:58] <nepugia> "leorize | nepugia: I think there are plans for linux's drm on haiku, but you should ask waddlesplash"
[19:21:05] <nepugia> i hereby ask waddlesplash :)
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[19:57:02] <Vidrep_64> Hi Begasus
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[20:27:11] <Begasus> hi Vidrep_64 !
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[20:37:04] <B2IT> (AGMS) PulkoMandy, there are several Ghostscripts on BeShare, of various ages.
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[20:43:40] <PulkoMandy> AGMS: do they come with sources?
[20:43:57] <B2IT> (AGMS) Some do, some have only the BeOS directory.
[20:45:10] <B2IT> (AGMS:) AGMS:
[20:45:20] <B2IT> (AGMS) Ghostscript-8.14-1.x86.zip has just the BeOS source changes.
[20:46:20] <B2IT> (AGMS) The rest is just Ghostscript 5.50.
[20:46:46] <B2IT> (PulkoMandy) ok, thanks, I'll check these
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[21:08:35] <Begasus> g'night peeps
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[21:08:42] <matthewstar> ok ... installed 32 + 64 bit @ virtualbox !!!
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[21:08:57] <matthewstar> internet working
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