March 12, 2019 
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#haiku[02:20:41] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:21:18] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:25:09] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[02:26:48] *** sushilv <sushilv!~sushilhub@1.6.109.195> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:37:26] *** thang <thang!~thang@118.69.214.140> has joined #haiku[02:39:19] *** thang <thang!~thang@118.69.214.140> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:05:56] <mmu_man> https://code.videolan.org/videolan/dav1d/issues/260 :-([03:24:19] <LadySerena> would anykitty be willing to review my code against a specification document?[03:26:42] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@114.252.58.232> has joined #haiku[03:28:13] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: libposix_error_mapper[03:28:18] <waddlesplash> that's why we have that thing[03:32:36] <mmu_man> yeah but it won't work for a lib, will it?[03:32:48] <mmu_man> like mixing with and without it[03:33:14] <mmu_man> I'd rather have them fix their code[03:38:35] <waddlesplash> hmm, true[04:14:39] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:16:21] *** sushilv <sushilv!~sushilhub@1.6.109.195> has joined #haiku[04:17:31] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has joined #haiku[04:18:54] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~AlienSold@modemcable087.210-56-74.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[04:25:46] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.77.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[04:25:47] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC ()[04:30:00] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[05:02:48] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[05:16:11] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/fhjan[05:16:13] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman 1310aa8 - meson: require setuptools at runtime; accept 'bepc' as x86 CPU[05:25:15] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:28:10] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@host31-54-226-108.range31-54.btcentralplus.com> has joined #haiku[05:28:47] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@5.80.27.160> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:32:27] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[05:39:45] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~matt@pool-108-52-159-210.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:43:08] *** dewf <dewf!~dewf@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[05:48:54] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:49:07] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:49:37] *** brj 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#haiku[07:31:00] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[07:47:32] <BrunoSpr> hello[07:47:41] <BrunoSpr> how does AutoRise work?[07:47:56] <BrunoSpr> AutoRaise[07:48:24] *** k_ <k_!0e62a481@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.98.164.129> has joined #haiku[07:48:59] <k_> hi, where can I find the code definition of B_ITALIC_FACE?[07:50:47] <wooter> k_: Font.h[07:51:36] <wooter> ./boot/system/develop/headers/os/interface/Font.h[07:51:36] <wooter> ./boot/system/sources/haiku/headers/os/interface/Font.h[07:51:59] <k_> wooter: thanks :)[07:52:07] <wooter> you're welcome[07:52:53] *** BlueSky76 <BlueSky76!~vision@80-108-11-4.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[07:59:58] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~Bruno@ipservice-092-211-214-241.092.211.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[08:12:31] *** k_ <k_!0e62a481@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.98.164.129> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[08:13:28] 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http://xref.plausible.coop/source/search?q=B_ITALIC_FACE&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=&type=&project=haiku[09:33:58] <leorize> ^ this tool should help you out with that[09:35:33] <wooter> k_: based on those search results leorize just posted, I'd guess /haiku/src/servers/app/font/FontFamily.cpp and FontStyle.cpp[09:36:59] <wooter> but that may only be for selecting font faces (like, from the font itself). but underlining would be more of a rendering thing (though perhaps consulting the font to see where the underline should appear / thickness / etc)[09:39:14] <wooter> I am not familiar with the Haiku codebase but just based on my experience with other systems (DirectWrite, Pango), I would start with the text rendering functions and kind of work backwards from that[09:40:01] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:48:58] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@2a01:c22:bc26:dd00:9e5c:8eff:fe01:98ee> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[09:49:10] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@2a01:c22:bc26:dd00:9e5c:8eff:fe01:98ee> has joined #haiku[09:49:22] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[09:49:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[09:49:34] *** Megaf <Megaf!~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:51:51] *** Nozy <Nozy!~The@243.113.150.122.sta.dodo.net.au> has joined #haiku[09:55:02] <k_> leorize: thanks[09:55:26] <k_> wooter: I'll try as you said. Thanks[10:00:51] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[10:05:35] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/fhjrZ[10:05:37] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] sikmir bf1bbfa - GPXSee: bump to 7.4 (#3687)[10:09:48] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:10:07] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:10:39] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has joined #haiku[10:15:22] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fhjrM[10:15:23] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 77a31b5 - QtHaikuPlugins: bump version[10:16:23] *** [Beta] is now known as johndrinkwater[10:18:10] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[10:18:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[10:29:13] *** rwmjones <rwmjones!~rwmjones@2001:8b0:9ad:8728::aaaa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:36:27] *** k_ <k_!b64b2d01@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.75.45.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:39:36] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:45:07] *** brj <brj!~brj@2401:4900:368a:2c94:3ef8:62ff:fe36:ec46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:49:40] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[10:49:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[11:00:10] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!Vision@67.219.239.116> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:01:54] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!Vision@67.219.239.116> has joined #haiku[11:06:30] *** rwmjones <rwmjones!~rwmjones@230.83.187.81.in-addr.arpa> has joined #haiku[11:10:06] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:10:17] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[11:10:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[11:18:29] *** rwmjones_ <rwmjones_!~rwmjones@2001:8b0:9ad:8728::aaaa> has joined #haiku[11:18:46] *** rwmjones <rwmjones!~rwmjones@230.83.187.81.in-addr.arpa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[11:24:09] *** myrkraverk <myrkraverk!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/myrkraverk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[11:29:29] *** myrkraverk_ <myrkraverk_!~chatzilla@180.190.42.178> has joined #haiku[11:32:28] *** Megaf <Megaf!~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf> has joined #haiku[11:39:43] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:43:57] *** Megaf <Megaf!~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:49:50] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[11:49:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[11:54:31] *** MrHuggy <MrHuggy!~MrHuggy@adsl-178-78-88-138.karoo.kcom.com> has joined #haiku[12:02:19] *** rakesh4545 <rakesh4545!~androirc@2405:204:c186:3c2a::2898:78a4> has joined #haiku[12:02:58] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@2.236.49.9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:05:31] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@2.236.49.9> has joined #haiku[12:10:18] *** rakesh4545 <rakesh4545!~androirc@2405:204:c186:3c2a::2898:78a4> has quit IRC (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ))[12:15:41] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has joined #haiku[12:20:06] *** Amigori <Amigori!~amigori@209-112-213-52-radius.dynamic.acsalaska.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[12:25:43] *** Megaf <Megaf!~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf> has joined #haiku[12:40:16] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:48:46] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.77.122> has joined #haiku[12:49:04] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@114.252.58.232> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:49:23] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[12:49:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[13:00:09] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.77.122> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:01:12] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~matt@pool-108-52-159-210.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[13:09:32] *** Diver <Diver!~Diver__@117.4.241.135> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:09:48] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:10:11] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.72.139> has joined #haiku[13:10:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[13:25:15] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has joined #haiku[13:32:20] *** Shaka444 <Shaka444!~vision@ool-4353bb68.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #haiku[13:34:52] <Shaka444> where do I report an error on a haiku webpage? on the boot loader page it says use the "SHIFT" key to access boot menu. Should read press the "SPACE" key. very important.. 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Quit)[16:56:17] *** wooter <wooter!~dewf@cpe-68-206-152-179.elp.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:57:15] *** KapiX <KapiX!~Thunderbi@2a02:a31c:853f:7c00:329c:23ff:fe65:3b5> has joined #haiku[16:57:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KapiX[16:58:37] *** Not-5be1 <Not-5be1!~notifico@ec2-52-3-50-241.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[16:58:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Not-5be1[16:58:37] <Not-5be1> [haiku/website] leavengood pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fhjyL[16:58:39] <Not-5be1> [haiku/website] leavengood 1abd0b0 - Start donation meter at 0 height and add a transition[16:59:44] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has joined #haiku[16:59:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[17:01:57] *** Begasus <Begasus!~begasus@ptr-4qba4eas0tqlrz2jyio.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[17:01:57] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.165.83> has joined #haiku[17:03:19] <Begasus> g'afternoon peeps[17:03:36] * humdinger waves to Begasus[17:03:51] <Begasus> howdy humdinger :)[17:04:41] <Begasus> plop mmu_man[17:04:49] <Begasus> hi KapiX ! :)[17:04:59] <KapiX> hi Begasus :)[17:05:11] <Begasus> long time no see, how's it going?[17:05:48] <KapiX> I'm doing fine, thanks for asking :)[17:06:16] <Begasus> what are you working on these days?[17:06:45] <KapiX> recently not much, looking for motivation[17:08:07] <Begasus> work related I can understand :) motivation for Haiku is still around here :) (also thanks to your help in the past!)[17:08:36] <KapiX> motivation for Haiku is there, but not for actually doing the work[17:08:55] <KapiX> I guess I needed a break, since at work I do practically the same stuff[17:09:18] <Begasus> Just try to look for something new and exiting that interests you[17:10:02] <Begasus> I can understand that, I have the luck of my other work doesn't envolve any programming ;)[17:10:09] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:10:49] *** Begas_VBox <Begas_VBox!~Begasus@d54C05BEA.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[17:11:14] <KapiX> yup, I'm trying new stuff but nothing yet piqued my interest[17:11:22] <KapiX> not to mention being excited about doing it[17:12:03] <KapiX> although last week I've been to sewing workshop and that was fun, so I'm not hopeless :)[17:12:18] <Begas_VBox> There are some issues arround that probably would be easy for you to fix, I guess you could make some people happy by doing so :)[17:12:30] <Begas_VBox> :)[17:14:28] <KapiX> I have a few of those in my pipeline, but watching The Office is easier ;)[17:15:33] <Begas_VBox> Easier maybe, but does it produce as much pleasure? (just an old man talking) :)[17:15:36] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/fhjyR[17:15:38] <Not-5be1> [haikuports/haikuports] korli eec26cd - ninja: add recipe for version 1.9.0[17:16:35] <Begas_VBox> We need some people like you![17:16:51] <KapiX> as much pleasure - yes, satisfaction - not so much. You have a point there[17:16:59] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has joined #haiku[17:16:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[17:19:36] <Begas_VBox> We're all in here for some kind of pleasure, the satisfaction comes later (sometimes a small change can make a big difference)[17:20:38] <humdinger> hi KapiX: did you see the intro of the new dev Joachim Deelen on the Haiku ML?[17:20:53] <humdinger> KapiX: maybe you can outsource some of the more tedious work. :)[17:21:08] <humdinger> ...or watch The Office together...[17:21:10] <KapiX> yup, I will write an answer this evening[17:21:34] <humdinger> cool. I already gave slight hints.[17:21:38] <KapiX> really looking forward to offloading some work on the core editor, because there is also a lot of work around it[17:21:52] <KapiX> and this cart is getting a bit too heavy to push forward alone[17:22:23] <humdinger> anyone heard of adamfowleruk lately?[17:24:28] <Begasus> haven't seen him around in a while[17:27:36] <humdinger> He didn't strike me as Doomsday Prepper that trains for post-Brexit...[17:28:39] *** matthewstar <matthewstar!6d7346bd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.115.70.189> has joined #haiku[17:33:29] <Begasus> well writing recipes/code doesn't involve the Brexit (in case for Haiku) I presume :P[17:34:30] <humdinger> you're save. you're Be.gasus, not Begas.UK[17:35:42] <Begasus> :P[17:37:49] *** matthewstar <matthewstar!6d7346bd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.115.70.189> has left #haiku[17:39:40] *** Rajagopalan <Rajagopalan!~Rajagopal@49.204.216.30> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:40:01] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:40:12] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:44:58] *** Diver <Diver!~Diver__@59.153.241.55> has joined #haiku[17:48:31] *** Rajagopalan <Rajagopalan!~Rajagopal@49.204.216.30> has joined #haiku[17:48:40] <Rajagopalan> hello guys![17:49:26] <Begas_VBox> hi Rajagopalan![17:49:33] <Rajagopalan> hey begasus[17:49:53] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has joined #haiku[17:49:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[17:50:05] <Rajagopalan> so whats the topic thats going on begasus[17:53:42] <humdinger> gots to run[17:53:44] * humdinger waves[17:53:45] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@dslb-092-075-040-089.092.075.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[17:55:57] <Begas_VBox> deppending on what topic Rajagopalan :)[17:56:31] <Begasus> checking up on my own PR's atm[18:03:10] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[18:09:19] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:09:46] <waddlesplash> KapiX: NVMe? :)[18:11:15] <KapiX> what part of my complaining are you referring to? motivation or work around an editor?[18:11:34] <waddlesplash> motivation but "basically doing the same stuff at work"[18:11:49] <waddlesplash> part of why I now do kernel dev is that it's radically different from what I'm doing at work[18:11:51] <KapiX> oh, I meant that more generally, as in programming[18:11:55] <waddlesplash> ah[18:12:00] *** Rafaga2k <Rafaga2k!~textual@200.68.136.225> has joined #haiku[18:12:13] <KapiX> NVMe is actually even closer than UI stuff I'm doing here, so not much improvement[18:12:47] <waddlesplash> huh[18:12:55] <KapiX> I'd have to read low level technical specs and I see enough of that doing GPU validation :P[18:15:36] <waddlesplash> nah, not really[18:15:46] <waddlesplash> I think we can port https://github.com/hgst/libnvme to kernel-space[18:16:00] <waddlesplash> just needs a bunch of wrapper code, and then the actual disk driver hooks[18:16:06] <geist> oh that's interesting[18:18:21] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has joined #haiku[18:18:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[18:18:40] <leorize> I'm curious, how many drivers run in user-space on Haiku?[18:19:26] <waddlesplash> leorize: none, technically, those aren't "drivers"[18:19:42] <waddlesplash> you can talk to USB devices from userspace; does that count?[18:20:06] *** Glider_IRC_ <Glider_IRC_!~Glider_IR@37.171.201.129> has joined #haiku[18:21:07] <waddlesplash> geist: oh, you hadn't seen this before?[18:21:29] <geist> no, it's pretty nice[18:21:45] <waddlesplash> yeah, actually supports most spec features[18:21:59] <leorize> waddlesplash: I'm not entirely sure :P just trying to draw a line between a monolithic kernel and a hybrid one[18:22:00] <waddlesplash> and most Linux stuff is confined to one file, you can wrap it I think[18:22:15] <waddlesplash> leorize: we are definitely a monolith; but we are a dynamically-linked monolith[18:22:15] <leorize> so far it seems to be kinda blurry[18:22:23] <waddlesplash> linux is statically linked[18:22:59] <jjpx> you need to recompile linux to change a thing[18:23:22] <Begas_VBox> bbl[18:23:26] <leorize> but you can compile individual drivers (and I do that a lot)[18:23:48] <leorize> which then can be loaded dynamically[18:23:58] <waddlesplash> dkms is a bit of a hack imo[18:24:04] <waddlesplash> not really a first class system[18:24:18] *** Glider_IRC__ <Glider_IRC__!~Glider_IR@37.173.198.122> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:25:40] <leorize> I take it to the extreme: compile kernel with as little driver as possible, then build additional drivers from kernel source as needed[18:26:09] <leorize> but the process is not really nice, so yea, definitely not first-class citizen[18:32:56] <PulkoMandy> the problem is that there is no API stability[18:33:11] <PulkoMandy> so yes, you can build drivers separately, but you cannot sanely develop them separately anyway[18:33:26] <PulkoMandy> it's "upstream, or your code will be obsolete and won't work with the next version"[18:33:57] <PulkoMandy> our modularity is also providing a stable ABI, so you can get a driver written in the 90s for BeOS, put it in the right directory, and use it in Haiku[18:35:18] *** Diver <Diver!~Diver__@59.153.241.55> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:35:22] <PulkoMandy> anyway, we are definitely monolithic, "hybrid" was just some marketing thing from Microsoft when microkernels were trendy and they didn't have one[18:35:43] <PulkoMandy> and even by that definition, the BeOS and Haiku kernels are not hybrid[18:36:09] <PulkoMandy> BeOS then said, "ok, our kernel is monolithic, but it's modular, isn't that great?"[18:36:31] <PulkoMandy> and managed to have people remember that as "it's some kind of hybrid not-quite-microkernel thing"[18:36:37] <PulkoMandy> but it is not, not at all[18:36:47] <geist> yah[18:39:46] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:43:41] *** liuyb1 <liuyb1!~liuyb@221.220.53.70> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:48:51] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has joined #haiku[18:51:25] *** nighty- <nighty-!~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:52:20] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@82-183-10-104.customers.ownit.se> has joined #haiku[18:52:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:53:26] *** MrHuggy <MrHuggy!~MrHuggy@adsl-178-78-88-138.karoo.kcom.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:58:50] *** Rajagopalan <Rajagopalan!~Rajagopal@49.204.216.30> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:02:34] *** ahearn <ahearn!~m.ahearn@ip-174-220.wustl.edu> has joined #haiku[19:03:53] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@smtp.terhuerne.de> has joined #haiku[19:03:53] *** 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