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[00:03:32] <jjpx> DepositePirate_, new plan: convert your colour to hsv, use 2 bits for H, 1 for S and 1 for V
[00:04:05] <DepositePirate_> I need to go read about hsv
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[00:09:55] <jjpx> in my plan you will get 4 primary colours and S and V will get you 3 variants. that is 12 out of 16 colours. you can use the extra 4 to get 4 shades of gray from full black to full white
[00:10:44] <waddlesplash> Vidrep_64: not really
[00:12:48] <DepositePirate_> There's also another backup plan I have in mind is just make some table with 16 24-bit values. and anything in between is one color.
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[00:30:04] <DepositePirate_> Which looks way easier to do
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[00:40:58] <DepositePirate_> Or not xD
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[00:46:07] <Vidrep_64> waddlesplash, I'll have more time to play around with XHCI tomorrow. Last night was just a quick test of that PCIe USB 3 card
[00:46:31] <Vidrep_64> I haven't tried my on-board Intel yet
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[03:42:54] <waddlesplash> we are back in business, baby
[03:42:56] <waddlesplash> https://dev.haiku-os.org/
[03:47:20] <LadySerena> it's running trac
[03:52:24] <brj> Is it not possible to run btrfs_shell through virtualbox on a .vdh disk? I added the .vdh disk in a SATA port to the virtualbox
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[03:52:42] <HAIKU-irker363> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev52971 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=29ec639a6da8+%5Ef82b4294d859
[03:52:42] <HAIKU-irker363> 29ec639a6da8: ltrace: implement x86_64 arch specifics.
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[03:52:43] <brj> https://pastebin.com/yWB1Ufpj
[03:53:16] <brj> ^^ this is what i get :(
[03:53:22] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Build haiku-release-x86_gcc2_hybrid #199 is complete: Failure [failed jam @%%PROFILE%%-raw build &lt;repository&gt;Haiku (failure)] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/35/builds/199
[03:54:02] <waddlesplash> brj: is that really a BFS disk?>
[03:54:40] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Build haiku-release-x86_64 #217 is complete: Failure [failed jam @%%PROFILE%%-raw build &lt;repository&gt;Haiku (failure)] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/42/builds/217
[03:55:12] <waddlesplash> HAIKU-Buildbot: What happen ?
[03:55:13] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Somebody set up us the bomb.
[03:55:37] <brj> Oh dang! I mistyped bfs instead of btrfs. Sorry for the stupid question
[03:57:30] <waddlesplash> lol
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[04:09:58] <_Dario_> hello waddlesplash
[04:10:05] <waddlesplash> hey
[04:10:41] <_Dario_> thanks for the hint it the ticket 14945
[04:10:58] <waddlesplash> np
[04:11:01] <_Dario_> (the one about the network driver)
[04:11:07] <waddlesplash> yeah
[04:11:17] <waddlesplash> btw the file isnt deprecated, we only write it for Static interfaces tho
[04:11:54] <_Dario_> that's the cause because the file isn't generated again after deleting it, isn't?
[04:12:24] <waddlesplash> yes
[04:13:19] <_Dario_> thanks for the explanation!
[04:15:58] <kallisti5> i'm shouting from the mountain tops how terrible online.net / scaleway is
[04:16:01] <kallisti5> https://twitter.com/kallisti5/status/1103493983538499584
[04:16:15] <kallisti5> we're moving. I don't even care about uptime at this point lol
[04:16:48] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: https://www.ikoula.com/en/dedicated-server
[04:17:01] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: yeah.. selling the board on it now
[04:17:06] <waddlesplash> yey
[04:17:17] <kallisti5> that little support response I think is all I need to convince everyone
[04:17:33] <waddlesplash> did you pick what Ikoula tier yet?
[04:17:57] <waddlesplash> Power M looks good, but 110 eur / mo is a bit
[04:18:28] <izaki> Woah... Is Scaleway that bad? Sad that there are so few alternatives, and they all turn out to be quality challenged
[04:18:38] <waddlesplash> izaki: yes, they are that bad
[04:18:51] <waddlesplash> we have had a support ticket with them open for ~3 months now about terrible iSCSI perf
[04:18:58] <waddlesplash> today the iSCSI failed and was out for 10 hours
[04:19:04] <waddlesplash> so that was fun
[04:19:05] <kallisti5> the sad thing was, I'm not expecting a lot
[04:19:09] <kallisti5> 30MB/s ? meh
[04:19:19] <kallisti5> but we see drops to 1-2MB/s
[04:19:25] <kallisti5> which pretty much kills all the things
[04:20:08] <kallisti5> so... looking at agile S
[04:20:17] <kallisti5> 16GB of ram.
[04:20:21] <izaki> Are you intentionally avoiding the "large" providers or did you already have a bad experience with them?
[04:20:31] <kallisti5> we used to use hetzner
[04:20:43] <kallisti5> their support wasn't as bad as online.net / scaleway
[04:20:54] <waddlesplash> but when things went bad, harder to get a KVM
[04:20:56] <izaki> Hetzner is cheap, but I've heard it is slow too
[04:21:05] <waddlesplash> and terrible peering
[04:21:07] <kallisti5> yeah.. speeds at Hetzner were slow outside of Europe
[04:21:23] <izaki> Vultr? Ramnode?
[04:21:24] <kallisti5> also, took 4 hours once to get a KVM attached during an outage
[04:21:26] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: we don't need the GPU though
[04:21:31] <kallisti5> I love vultr
[04:21:41] <izaki> Packet?
[04:21:41] <kallisti5> but, limited EU block storage availability
[04:22:27] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: Agile S + 2x1TiB SATA in a sw raid + 1Gbps bandwidth == $59.96 / mo USD
[04:22:44] <kallisti5> aahh.. no kvm
[04:22:45] <kallisti5> shit
[04:23:05] <kallisti5> wait.. maybe kvm. sec
[04:23:53] <izaki> joyent?
[04:24:05] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: Power M has KVM
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[04:24:25] <waddlesplash> €109.99/mo though
[04:24:35] <waddlesplash> also has RAID card and 2x2TB SATA
[04:24:56] <waddlesplash> 99.95%
[04:25:02] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: https://www.ikoula.com/en/dedicated-server/power-m
[04:25:37] <waddlesplash> "Expertise since 1998"
[04:25:46] <waddlesplash> huh, they've been around longer than I realized
[04:26:09] <kallisti5> we could also do ovh
[04:26:18] <kallisti5> I used them years ago... and they were't too bad.
[04:26:29] <waddlesplash> I've heard things
[04:26:34] <kallisti5> I had a bad experience trying to leave them though... had to sign all this crap and send them a picture of my drivers license
[04:27:02] <waddlesplash> "While they have similar low prices, Hetzner is head and shoulders above OVH in terms of overall quality."
[04:27:05] <kallisti5> actually... is ovh and ikoula the same thing?
[04:27:05] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: so that's a no then
[04:27:14] <kallisti5> eew
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[04:28:52] <kallisti5> we could just go to gcp
[04:28:53] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: Ikoula is their own thing
[04:29:10] <waddlesplash> let's try Ikoula, they are moderately more expensive and let's hope that we will get what we pay for
[04:29:41] <jjpx> rackforest starts at 96 usd, but use a 3-year contract
[04:30:15] <waddlesplash> jjpx: we need at least a quad core, 16GB RAM, and 2-3TB minimum
[04:30:26] <jjpx> it has
[04:30:29] <LadySerena> O_o
[04:30:38] <izaki> I have a server rack in my garage... but my ISP does not let me serve things...
[04:30:40] <LadySerena> @waddlesplash, that is quite a lot of storage
[04:30:52] <izaki> :D
[04:31:00] <waddlesplash> LadySerena: we are using most of it; nightly builds at 400MB ea eat space fast
[04:31:02] <kallisti5> LadySerena: we have around a few hundred nightly builds, and a few hundred repositories
[04:31:14] <waddlesplash> repositories are smaller, only 100GB per arch
[04:31:22] <LadySerena> maybe prune the nightlies after a few months?
[04:31:26] <waddlesplash> we do
[04:31:28] <kallisti5> I do :-)
[04:31:30] <LadySerena> O_O
[04:31:37] <kallisti5> we were larger
[04:31:47] <waddlesplash> anyway. Ikoula it is?
[04:31:59] <kallisti5> Psh.. the sad thing is at my last job i managed 44PiB
[04:32:17] <LadySerena> oh, an ex-googler
[04:32:24] <kallisti5> no. Backup company :-)
[04:32:29] <LadySerena> or that
[04:32:44] <kallisti5> 44PiB spread across ~30-some RAID0 arrays
[04:32:45] <jjpx> compare prices waddlesplash https://portal.rackforest.com/cart/&step=3
[04:33:03] <kallisti5> (yes, raid0)
[04:33:25] <waddlesplash> jjpx: English, Hungarian, ... Arabic. Interesting language options lol
[04:34:02] <kallisti5> "Maximum 2pcs hot swap SATA3 HDD / SSD
[04:34:03] <kallisti5> meh
[04:34:10] <kallisti5> We need more than 2 disks
[04:34:15] <kallisti5> 3 is minimum
[04:34:18] <mmu_man> must sleep
[04:34:23] <waddlesplash> xactly
[04:34:27] <kallisti5> I want one OS disk, and two disks for the persistant data
[04:34:40] <kallisti5> we shoved everything onto a single software raid @ hetzner
[04:34:41] <mmu_man> anyway, I think I understand this TCP zero window bug
[04:34:50] <mmu_man> just not sure what to do (ie. what is allowed to do)
[04:34:51] <kallisti5> when the software raid went bad... it was a nightmare
[04:35:11] <kallisti5> "if I can get the os up (or any OS) we can likely fix it"
[04:35:28] <izaki> hardware raid?
[04:35:49] <kallisti5> eeh. I'd be more inclined to trust a hardware like that :-)
[04:36:04] <kallisti5> assuming it is a good one
[04:36:16] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: well, that's half the battle! :D
[04:36:19] <kallisti5> but, to be honest.. really pushing for a raid of two disks
[04:36:25] <izaki> And why not go ZFS?
[04:36:28] <kallisti5> and a small OS SSD
[04:36:30] <kallisti5> izaki: containers
[04:36:47] <kallisti5> pretty much, all the space is for persistant docker storage
[04:36:48] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: ikoula I linked above has 2 disks and a hardware raid card
[04:37:10] <izaki> and you mount it via the hypervisor?
[04:37:21] <izaki> (layer)
[04:37:26] <kallisti5> no emulation
[04:37:26] <waddlesplash> no
[04:37:33] <kallisti5> "Linux system" running docker
[04:37:54] <kallisti5> The linux system is minimal... just an OS + docker
[04:38:02] <izaki> zfs on linux isn't so great, docker on frebsd isn't, and smartos... hahahaha... oh, well we tried.
[04:38:17] <kallisti5> yeah. That's why we've been going CentOS, Fedora, etc
[04:38:28] <waddlesplash> anyway.
[04:38:38] <izaki> I understand
[04:38:38] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: if you have any time/energy left, reports are in that XHCI is massively fixed
[04:38:52] <izaki> massively
[04:39:53] <mmu_man> "The sending TCP packages the data to be transmitted into segments
[04:40:02] <mmu_man> which fit the current window, and may repackage segments on the
[04:40:04] <mmu_man> retransmission queue."
[04:40:53] <mmu_man> ok, so it means a ZWP with 1 byte at segment N doesn't forbid sending a larger packet at segment N instead of keeping a 1 byte payload
[04:40:56] <mmu_man> I think
[04:42:20] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: basically, we send a Zero Window Probe with 1 byte of payload outside of the window (we know it's 0), expecting it to be dropped, but ACKed so we keep it alive
[04:42:42] <mmu_man> and maybe we get a window update (next ACK sets window back to >0)
[04:43:11] <mmu_man> *but* we never retransmit it, and the next segments we send are actually after that 1byte we never resend
[04:43:46] <waddlesplash> fun
[04:43:57] <mmu_man> so receiver keeps ACKing segment N, expecting to have N to N+m, while we keep sending from N+1 onwards
[04:44:30] <mmu_man> it seems Linux actually sends no payload at all for the zero probe
[04:44:39] <waddlesplash> well then let's do that?
[04:44:48] <mmu_man> which is also valid and gets rid of the offset thing
[04:44:56] <waddlesplash> sounds easy
[04:45:06] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: no time / energy, sorry :-(
[04:45:12] <kallisti5> waddlesplash: thanks for being awesome
[04:45:12] <mmu_man> except if the code path expects more than 0 bytes to send :D
[04:45:26] <mmu_man> anyway, I'll look at it tomorrow
[04:45:29] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: fair. next up: debug xfer hooks, so we can use usb keyboards in kdl
[04:45:36] <mmu_man> er, I have some radio shows to prepare first, dammit
[04:45:38] <mmu_man> n8
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[04:48:57] <izaki> have you seen this python thing where it hangs trying to link a lockfile?
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[04:49:34] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: btw, I have access to some VMs at ikoula, in case
[04:49:41] <izaki> _kern_create_link ... Operation not suported?
[04:50:08] <mmu_man> izaki: BFS does not support hardlinks
[04:50:16] <mmu_man> so if the code expects to create one…
[04:51:02] <izaki> I suspected that was it, but I now fail to get what pip is trying to accomplish with a hardlink
[04:52:36] <mmu_man> hmm dunno, maybe trying to hardlink a to b after creating it, and checking the inodes for both to make sure they mathc?
[04:52:39] <mmu_man> pathc
[04:52:39] <mmu_man> dam
[04:52:42] <mmu_man> match
[04:53:29] <mmu_man> that's a way to have atomic ops
[04:53:41] <mmu_man> anyway
[04:53:43] <mmu_man> oh, 5am :-(
[04:54:00] <kallisti5> I just closed the online.net support tickets.
[04:54:08] <kallisti5> done asking them to not be horrible
[04:54:23] <kallisti5> don't want to draw any more attention to us until we move
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[04:57:23] <izaki> it just tries to create the hardlink, no checks... I guess this has an easy fix...
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[06:55:13] <athira> Hi,
[06:59:29] <athira> I am Athira, an outreachy applicant. I was trying to work on the ticket to Implement public suffix list to filter cookies. I have added libpsl to to the x86_gcc2 and x86_64 package list. and I have sent the patch to gerrit. Can any system admin put the package on the server. Thank you.
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[07:11:42] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: XHCI working better for you after those commits?
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[07:23:11] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/fhpVu
[07:23:13] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 1d1e0f8 - ToDoListManager: small Qt tool to organize you projects (#3674)
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[08:25:20] <dewf> is there any documentation for BGradient?
[08:27:43] <dewf> n/m I just realized you need to use the subclasses :D
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[12:09:29] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/fhp6L
[12:09:31] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk 285576d - Routino: new recipe (#3675)
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[12:23:55] <leemon> hello, I cherry picked crypto set project, is it possible to build with jam? I can build AboutSystem but I can't understand how to build cryptoset.
[12:24:55] <leemon> I got: don't know how to make crypto ...patience... ...found 1 target(s)... ...can't find 1 target(s)...
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[12:26:23] <leemon_> I do : jam -q crypto
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[12:37:27] <leemon_> also, I was able to build something with: jam -q -t $HAIKU_DIR/src/kits/crypto/Jamfile
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[12:37:48] <leemon_> but I can't find the resulting files
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[16:08:17] <matthewstar> what is about?
[16:08:56] <matthewstar> is all ok?
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[16:34:11] <Begasus> g'afternoon peeps
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[16:38:24] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/fhpyH
[16:38:26] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 c1b50fb - HISTORY: Add a history of our infrastructure
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[16:40:39] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 94b95e9 - HISTORY: A few small corrections
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[17:44:38] <lorglas> has someone email adresse from darkwym
[17:44:55] <PulkoMandy> yes
[17:48:08] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±2] https://git.io/fhpHE
[17:48:10] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 67a9307 - k8s: Add digital ocean persistant storage to gerrit
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[17:55:26] <HAIKU-irker841> 901c3d44b047: pthread: implement pthread_attr_[get|set]stack.
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[17:59:38] <rakesh4545> the iso file of Haiku (haiku-r1beta1-x86_64-anyboot.iso) won't boot past the splash screen.
[18:00:15] <waddlesplash> try a nightly build; some of the bugs causing that were fixed since the beta
[18:02:54] <mmu_man> https://worldwideweb.cern.ch/browser/#https://www.haiku-os.org/
[18:03:06] <rakesh4545> what do you think might be causing the problem?
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[18:06:37] <waddlesplash> rakesh4545: any number of things really
[18:06:48] <waddlesplash> there were a variety of bugs that caused symptoms like that fixed
[18:07:11] <rakesh4545> Okay. Is Haiku UEFI bootable.
[18:09:57] <extrowerk> it is.
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[18:11:57] <waddlesplash> if you see the bootsplash, this means the bootloader has at least initialized
[18:14:42] <rakesh4545> I wonder whether this OS uses GOP from UEFI.
[18:18:00] <waddlesplash> well, if you have graphics output, probably
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[19:49:37] <k_> I am getting error while compiling haiku. it says this: "bash: ../configure: No such file or directory"
[19:52:25] <kallisti5> k_: hi! :-)
[19:52:38] <kallisti5> so, you really shouldn't see that if you're in the correct directory
[19:53:04] <kallisti5> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building is a great article on getting things compiled
[19:53:15] <kallisti5> there is an expectation of some basic Linux knowledge though
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[19:55:31] <k_> I have installed buildtools and generated.x86_64 directories inside haiku folder
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[19:56:41] <kallisti5> did you cd into generated.x86_64 ?
[19:57:01] <k_> yes
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[19:57:11] <kallisti5> and generated.x86_64 is inside haiku?
[19:57:18] <k_> yes
[19:57:28] <k_> parallel to buildtools
[19:57:37] <kallisti5> weeird.
[19:57:46] <kallisti5> run this:
[19:57:51] <kallisti5> ls -la ..
[19:58:03] <kallisti5> put the output into pastebin.com
[19:58:07] <kallisti5> and stick the link here
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[20:01:22] <k_> https://pastebin.com/atARyeWh
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[20:09:46] <izaki> I am using a laptop running haiku at work... I am so happy!
[20:11:12] <johnny_b> congrats!
[20:11:18] <k_> kallisti5: I figured it out, the buildtools directory should've been outside haiku
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[20:11:49] <k_> The configure command is running now
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[20:15:00] <kallisti5> k_: nice!
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[20:17:25] <k_> kallisti5: I want to work on the crypto kit, could you suggest me any bugs that I should work upon?
[20:17:54] <kallisti5> less bugs, more design + implementation
[20:18:43] <k_> what should I submit in outreachy as contribution?
[20:19:40] <kallisti5> Anything to compete with the other applicants. Maybe implementing part of what needs to be done, documentation on what your plans are, mock-ups, etc.
[20:19:47] <jjpx> as outreachy you can also work on documentation
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[20:23:48] <Barrett> kallisti5, what if the crypto kit supplied also an easy API for secure password storage on disk?
[20:24:15] <kallisti5> Barrett: that's definitely a good goal
[20:24:32] <kallisti5> The project just said adding cryptography, but PulkoMandy brought that up
[20:24:40] <k_> Among the easy tasks, some are titled as "new" and some as "assigned", so I should work with only new ones, right?
[20:24:46] <kallisti5> "managing logins / passwords / credentials
[20:24:56] <Barrett> yeah
[20:25:00] <kallisti5> the encryption is a blocker for that however
[20:25:12] <Barrett> k_, it depends, in doubt just ask in the ticket
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[20:25:24] <Barrett> it may be a bug is assigned but we normally have lots of bugs assigned
[20:25:38] <Barrett> you understand what I mean :)
[20:25:46] <k_> okay
[20:26:00] <k_> Barrett: thanks
[20:26:09] <Barrett> np
[20:26:16] <k_> kallisti5: thanks
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[20:26:56] <Barrett> k_, you're welcome
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[20:33:19] <extrowerk> this ghidra thing not working on Haiku
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[20:36:02] <B2IT> (AGMS) extrowerk, they did say Mac, Linux and Windows. No mention of Haiku or BeOS :-)
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[20:40:02] <leemon> hi, I was trying to build libbrypto.so and I have a build failure
[20:40:31] <leemon> though, they are warnings
[20:40:39] <extrowerk> AGMS: Do You mean i should create an issue?
[20:40:53] <extrowerk> Btw, could somebody review this PR? https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/pull/161
[20:41:14] <B2IT> (AGMS) Heh, probably not. No need for a disassembler for malware for Haiku.
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[20:41:56] <extrowerk> AGMS: and it is java based
[20:42:25] <leemon> kallisti5:
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[20:42:38] <leemon> ^
[20:42:53] <B2IT> (AGMS) I didn't know that, extrowerk, not going into much more detail than reading Slashdot about it.
[20:43:25] <B2IT> (AGMS) Or was it a Wired article?
[20:43:32] <leemon> I have an error: cc1: unknown C standard `c99'
[20:44:17] <B2IT> (AGMS) Never seen that one. Which compiler are you using?
[20:45:34] <B2IT> (AGMS) Usually gcc2 implicitly does c99, since it's that old.
[20:45:34] <leemon> my compiler is default gcc2
[20:46:19] <B2IT> (AGMS) What was the command line that ran that compile? If using Jam that's a "-da" option. Make may use something else.
[20:47:02] <leemon> $JAM_EXEC -q libbcrypto.so
[20:47:16] <leemon> and -da doesn't make anytihng better
[20:47:31] <B2IT> (AGMS) Should at least list the command line that did the compile.
[20:48:18] <B2IT> (AGMS) Should be: gcc something.c
[20:49:04] <B2IT> (AGMS) Once you get the command line, you can manually type it in and try changing options to get it to work.
[20:49:04] <leemon> yes, there is no mention of -std
[20:50:18] <B2IT> (AGMS) first cd to the directory where it was running, etc. then try to manually compile it.
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[21:03:19] <kallisti5> leemon: code is circa 2016, so could be a few minor issues
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[21:03:33] <kallisti5> PulkoMandy: we might wanna just merge my initial implementation
[21:03:41] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: -1, nah
[21:03:42] <kallisti5> it'll make it easier to submit patches towards
[21:03:52] <waddlesplash> no, you can submit patches on top of existing ones in gerrit
[21:04:18] <kallisti5> sure, but we're already two levels deep :-D
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[21:05:21] <leemon> I don't understand why -std=c99 is not in the command being run
[21:05:34] <leemon> though I can see it in Jam rule
[21:06:24] <waddlesplash> leemon: GCC2 does not support C99
[21:06:46] <leemon> that explains a lot
[21:07:12] <leemon> but was it thrown away by compiler or by jam?
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[21:12:08] <leemon> also, is the server available? I got errors that I can't download some packages during the build
[21:13:21] <Barrett> I don't understand why kallisti5 crypyo_kit has been debated so much initially
[21:13:36] <kallisti5> Barrett: dun-nah-dun-nah bikeshed
[21:13:38] <Barrett> I'd have agreed to push it (at least as private API) as long as something used it
[21:13:59] <kallisti5> well.. noting uses it yet besides my tests ^_^
[21:14:16] <kallisti5> leemon: it should be.. however we had a a huge outage..
[21:14:18] <kallisti5> let me check
[21:14:35] <Barrett> kallisti5, better than nothing :-D
[21:15:21] <kallisti5> Barrett: pretty much I couldn't get enough concensus at the time to merge it.
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[21:15:33] <kallisti5> nobody seemed very interested, so I ended up letting it rot in a branch
[21:15:43] <kallisti5> eventually, I took the patches and stuck them in a ticket
[21:15:54] <kallisti5> then PulkoMandy put into a review request once we got gerrit
[21:16:10] <kallisti5> Those patches have traveled a lot lol
[21:17:20] <Barrett> I think I've been under contract at the time, and just didn't have enough force to engage ml discussions.
[21:17:44] <Barrett> but the idea is good for me, if you didn't know already.
[21:18:23] <leemon> kallisti5: have you checked?
[21:21:47] <leemon> Connecting to eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org (eu.hpkg.haiku-os.org)|62.210.188.85|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
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[21:22:43] <waddlesplash> leemon: are you trying to do an x86 build?
[21:22:48] <waddlesplash> i.e. not x86_gcc2
[21:23:41] <leemon> right now, x86 with a new gcc. the gcc2 doesn't have c99
[21:24:37] <leemon> as you said
[21:24:54] <leemon> so, I started to try to build wit a new one
[21:24:58] <waddlesplash> uh
[21:25:05] <waddlesplash> whatever code you put in the tree must build with gcc2
[21:25:15] <waddlesplash> so ... you can't get around that by using the newer compiler
[21:25:28] <waddlesplash> further, you can't build x86 anymore, only x86_gcc2 or x86_64
[21:26:06] <leemon> right now, I want it just to run, it's kallisiti5's code
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[21:27:17] <waddlesplash> well ... it needs to build with gcc2, so, might as well fix it
[21:28:24] <leemon> ok, gccx86_64
[21:28:38] <leemon> to use c89? Oo
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[21:29:50] <waddlesplash> yes, it needs to build as C89 and C++98
[21:31:36] <k_> kallisti5: I have successfully built Nightly Raw, is there anymore command which is used to run it?
[21:32:22] <jjpx> raw images are for use with virtual machines
[21:34:12] <k_> I was errors with anyboot
[21:34:32] <k_> That's why I used raw
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[21:38:44] <leemon> waddlesplash: why can't I built x86 anymore? only in hybrid?
[21:38:48] <waddlesplash> yes
[21:39:10] <leemon> why?
[21:41:13] <waddlesplash> because it was redundant?
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[21:43:15] <leemon> but there is a hybrid built, why not to have also only a modern versioned system
[21:43:34] <waddlesplash> if you want the "modern version" use x86_64?
[21:43:46] <waddlesplash> but we still use GCC2 to maintain ABI compatibility with BeOS
[21:44:08] <leemon> ok
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[21:48:50] <k_> I got the generated file nightly-anyboot.iso
[21:49:40] <k_> Once built, do this: Install it and run your newly built Haiku. Open the AboutSystem app from the leaf menu and scroll down to see your name in the credits. It's only there on your newly built Haiku. Take a screenshot by pressing the printscreen key. Attach this image as your completed work for this task, to show that you've figured out the steps to downloading, modifying, building and running Haiku.
[21:49:57] <k_> How should I follow these?
[21:50:18] <kallisti5> you can boot the nightly-anyboot in a vm
[21:50:37] <kallisti5> qemu-system-x86_64 -m 2048 --enable-kvm -cdrom nightly-anyboot.iso
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[21:50:54] <kallisti5> (assuming you're on linux)
[21:51:00] <kallisti5> (and have qemu installed :-) )
[21:51:24] <k_> yes, I'm on linux
[21:51:35] <k_> But I don't have qemu
[21:51:49] <kallisti5> you can install it, or use VirtualBox, VMWare, etc
[21:52:19] <kallisti5> At this point, the iso is pretty much a bootable OS cd (kind of like Fedora's install ISO, Windows install ISO, etc)
[21:53:02] <k_> okay I got that
[21:53:32] <k_> I have vmware, so I'm going to try it there
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[22:04:28] <jjpx> I remember doing that the first time, tried very hard to install vbox to no avail, then tried qemu and worked instantly
[22:04:57] <kallisti5> The general process during your emulation enlightenment goes vmware -> vbox -> qemu
[22:06:21] <waddlesplash> kallisti5: false
[22:06:26] <waddlesplash> qemu > vmware > vbox
[22:06:31] <kallisti5> wut
[22:06:33] <kallisti5> no way
[22:06:36] <waddlesplash> vmware >>>> vbox
[22:06:39] <waddlesplash> like, way better
[22:06:42] <kallisti5> nah
[22:06:45] <kallisti5> vmware suuuuucks
[22:06:53] <waddlesplash> better performance, better config system
[22:07:02] <waddlesplash> doesn't crash out when using multiple cores and SATA
[22:07:03] <kallisti5> virtio > vmware's crappy virtual devices
[22:07:08] <waddlesplash> well that's true
[22:07:17] <waddlesplash> but VMware's IOAPIC is actually, uh, functional
[22:07:21] <kallisti5> also... vmware doesn't do direct attach PCI
[22:07:30] <kallisti5> *ALSO*, not open source
[22:08:29] <waddlesplash> VBox's USB support isn't either
[22:08:43] <waddlesplash> you can't get anything above USB 1.0 without using the closed source extension pack for VBox
[22:09:07] <kallisti5> That's why qemu > vbox > vmware
[22:09:12] <kallisti5> most open source to least open source
[22:09:13] <kallisti5> :-D
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[22:15:48] * DHowett still wants to write a hyper-v vmbus driver, but is too lazy
[22:16:50] <krbtgt> DHowett: i'd reallyh like that
[22:16:58] <krbtgt> when i was running Hyper-V Haiku was surprisingly snappy
[22:17:06] <DHowett> yeah, and gen 2 would be so cash
[22:17:09] <krbtgt> but some things sucked like 100 Mbit eth only
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[22:17:22] <krbtgt> vmbus for all the fun stuff would be baller
[22:18:04] <waddlesplash> DHowett: write an NVMe driver first
[22:18:08] <waddlesplash> it will be more useful :P
[22:19:19] <DHowett> that's true, it would
[22:19:23] <DHowett> and it'd solve my current KVMe problem
[22:19:26] <DHowett> NVMe*
[22:19:34] <waddlesplash> I have a stub driver somewhere
[22:19:47] <waddlesplash> with a barely-started port of libnvme to kernel-land
[22:20:00] <waddlesplash> (this libnvme: https://github.com/hgst/libnvme)
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[22:20:33] <krbtgt> haiku is ludicrously fast with SATA SSDs already
[22:20:37] <krbtgt> i can only imagine with NVMe
[22:20:54] <krbtgt> i'm not used to an OS just splaying itself onto the disk in five minutes, doubly so when it's a desktop system
[22:21:01] <krbtgt> *five *SECONDS*
[22:21:07] <krbtgt> like, damn
[22:21:23] <waddlesplash> well, it's only 400-500MB, and BFS is very fast for block transfers, just slow at inode operations
[22:21:25] <waddlesplash> :)
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[22:31:58] <leemon> I don't have a haiku.image for x86_64 what might be the problem?
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[22:32:32] <leemon> but I have haiku.image-extract-files haiku.image-copy-files haiku.image-init-vars haiku.image-make-dirs
[22:42:18] <Barrett> leemon, I don't follow what's your problem
[22:42:28] <Barrett> did you build haiku for x86_64 right?
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[22:43:16] <leemon> Barett: yes, I was trying to built @nightly-raw. But there is no haiku.image in the resulting files
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[22:46:27] <Barrett> leemon, did you look into generated?
[22:46:59] <leemon> Barrett: yes, I am running my command there
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[22:47:35] <jjpx> find . -name haiku.image ?
[22:48:03] <leemon> jjpx: nothing
[22:48:03] <jjpx> maybe it is .img
[22:48:04] <Barrett> leemon, are you sure the build gone correctly?
[22:48:07] <jjpx> or .raw
[22:48:15] <leemon> how can I say?
[22:48:25] <leemon> I ran it with -q
[22:48:38] <leemon> and there were no obvious error at the end
[22:48:40] <Barrett> that's what I've been going to say
[22:48:53] <Barrett> leemon, I'm not sure, restart from scratch
[22:49:01] <Barrett> reclone the repo and follow the guide
[22:49:09] <leemon> ok, I will try it again tomorrow
[22:49:18] <Barrett> hard to tell from there, sorry
[22:49:54] <leemon> I have applied crypto set patch, that might influence...
[22:49:59] <Barrett> try to stash
[22:50:00] <leemon> maybe I did it wrong
[22:50:04] <Barrett> then recompile
[22:50:09] <Barrett> git stash
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[22:50:30] <Barrett> (save your edits before that)
[22:51:27] <leemon> Barett: ok, I wiill do it
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[22:52:01] <leemon> but now it's too late, so, I'll do it tomorrow
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