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[00:25:04] <brj> Hello all, I was trying to merge all building instructions into a single page. However, various pages are in different formats. Specifically, the pre-reqs, compiling-x86/x86_64/powerpc/arm, get-git-source, are in markdown where as port-status, configure are in html. So, my question is - should I write the merged document as in markdown or html?
[00:27:05] <brj> Also, the current document which has build instructions for Ubuntu ("building_haiku_ubuntu_linux_step_step") is in html.
[00:35:05] <waddlesplash> the step by step document is just plain wrong and should be deleted
[00:35:11] <waddlesplash> markdown is preferable
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[01:17:45] <GregCrain> waddlesplash: I see you still busy working on XHCI! I added some debug code to my tests, and unfortunately, it never reports a STALL.
[01:18:27] <GregCrain> The completion code in the transfers, that is. Actually, it never reports anything except OK.
[01:18:45] <waddlesplash> yes, I have some more guesses now
[01:19:01] <waddlesplash> our transfer handling code is actually violating the spec all over the place
[01:19:26] <waddlesplash> I'm essentially rewriting the descriptor handling logic completely right now
[01:20:15] <GregCrain> I saw one small thing too, I'm not sure if it has much impact though. THe point that interupts are enabled, and the run bit is set.
[01:21:16] <GregCrain> On my machine, immediately after the interupts are enabled, several IRQ's occur. This happens before the I think it should.
[01:21:31] <GregCrain> The root hub is not set up at this point.
[01:21:50] <waddlesplash> what are the IRQs?
[01:21:57] <waddlesplash> possibly they are "port change" ones
[01:22:05] <GregCrain> yes, port change
[01:22:10] <waddlesplash> well that's expected then
[01:22:23] <waddlesplash> the controller is just telling us about devices already connected to it
[01:22:50] <waddlesplash> so ... it appears we don't set the chain bit on the last TRB of a transfer
[01:23:09] * waddlesplash tries to find where the spec talks about this
[01:24:11] <GregCrain> Yes, makes sense. I'm not clear on the whole root hub part of it. I have to read up on it.
[01:25:00] <GregCrain> I'm sure there would be a improvement in re-writing the td code.
[01:25:45] <waddlesplash> I'm completely getting rid of the "chains" concept
[01:26:04] <waddlesplash> TDs will now have a dynamically allocated number of TRBs instead of a fixed length
[01:26:23] <GregCrain> nice
[01:26:27] <waddlesplash> and we will use saner sized buffers than 64KB....
[01:26:38] <waddlesplash> that is much larger than the spec recommends
[01:26:58] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: btw, have you tried using a USB2 flash drive, not a USB3 one?
[01:27:09] <GregCrain> yes, all the same
[01:27:14] <waddlesplash> ok
[01:27:29] <waddlesplash> because there is a TODO about setting MaxBurstSize for USB3 endpoints
[01:27:40] <waddlesplash> endpoint devices, I mean
[01:28:08] <waddlesplash> Zenja just reported that USB2 flash drives don't stall out for them, inline USB3 ones, which may be related
[01:28:55] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: oh and BTW, re a comment you made on a ticket a while ago: there's a FIXME in the USB stacks Hub management saying "this will break USB3 hubs"
[01:29:07] <waddlesplash> so that would explain why USB3 hubs don't work at all lol
[01:29:16] <waddlesplash> non root hubs that is
[01:29:57] <GregCrain> I could try it again, just to be sure. I use both usb thumb drive and hard drives, but they should both behave the same
[01:31:44] <GregCrain> Do you see any threading issues? If I recall, the BSD code looked single threaded.
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[01:40:11] <waddlesplash> I didn't audit the initialization code fully, but by the time we get to transfers, we are using locking
[01:40:26] <waddlesplash> and commands are also locked properly, so that's fine
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[02:30:02] <nnyby> hey um, i just installed haiku in a virtualbox. How do I su to root? i never chose a root password during installation
[02:30:29] <tidux> everything runs uid 0 by default
[02:30:31] <tidux> so you are lol
[02:30:49] <nnyby> lol ok cool
[02:30:52] <waddlesplash> you can make a root password
[02:31:05] <waddlesplash> by using "passwd" like normal
[02:31:10] <nnyby> alright, thx
[02:31:12] <waddlesplash> though I don't think anything will ask you for it at boot
[02:31:22] <waddlesplash> just on SSH or whatever
[02:31:31] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: ping?
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[03:29:49] <waddlesplash> nnyby: those pages are actually maintained out of tree
[03:30:12] <waddlesplash> I'll fix it later
[03:30:18] <nnyby> oh okay. cool
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[04:07:01] <Zenja> Finally got all Hi-DPI issues sorted out.
[04:07:48] <waddlesplash> nice!
[04:10:27] <Zenja> The audio mixing was more hairy than expected. I couldn't use system mixer since it doesn't pipe output back to client, so had to implement my own mixer.
[04:11:40] <Zenja> HDA audio expects 192kbps, source is 48kbps (mono), so need to convert frame rate, work with buffers (and caches), feed it to media kit, lots of interrim buffers, all the while trying to maximise performance. In the end, quite happy with result, since I now support live scrubbing of audio.
[04:12:27] <Zenja> Add mixing and audio effects (like gain adjustment) to the mix. Lots of crashes until I got it right ;)
[04:13:12] <Zenja> Video was easy compared to audio :)
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[05:26:56] <Zenja> Time to go. Bye
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<brj> I've merged all pages on building Haiku into a single page and submitted a pull request https://git.io/fhxP9
[07:09:08] <brj> Please review :)
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[07:16:37] <HAIKU-irker759> 10230c7ab163: XHCI: Reorder some functions and tweak class definition.
[07:16:37] <HAIKU-irker759> dc9a81f0d403: XHCI: Partially fix TD size computation.
[07:16:38] <HAIKU-irker759> bae7f6d5dd7a: XHCI: Completely rewrite Transfer Descriptor and related logic.
[07:16:39] <HAIKU-irker759> ee0d30cff96a: XHCI: Fix fencepost logic error in _LinkDescriptorForPipe.
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[07:20:11] <yatendra1999> Hi everyone!
[07:20:41] <yatendra1999> I am a student and wish to apply for GSoC in Haiku
[07:21:18] <yatendra1999> can I discuss my project idea here?
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[07:47:35] <fido1> Is there a gui designer like Glade for Haiku?
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[07:51:30] <fido1> Is there a gui designer like Glade for Haiku?
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[08:04:19] <fido1> Anyone alive in here?
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[08:06:04] <PulkoMandy> yatendra1999: yes, you can discuss here, however not everyone is watching all the time (I will live for work in 15 minutes for example)
[08:06:12] <PulkoMandy> consider the mailing lists too
[08:06:24] <PulkoMandy> also, just send your questions, someone will reply eventually :)
[08:06:55] <PulkoMandy> fido1: there are some unfinished projects, and there is the Aukland Layout Editor (ALE) but it's a bit unusual, have a try and see if it fits your needs
[08:07:40] <AlaskanEmily> Probably not what you're looking for, but apparently fltk supports Haiku now, and it has a design tool
[08:08:16] <fido1> I'm looking for something that supports the native haiku ui
[08:11:17] <yatendra1999> PulkoMandy: Thanks
[08:12:31] <yatendra1999> So I just wanted to ask if it would be feasible to implement or port many of the Machine Learning, Deep Learning libraries natively in Haiku of they are not already implemented.
[08:12:46] <yatendra1999> if*
[08:14:05] <yatendra1999> This would open many new opportunities for the developers for making new apps for haiku
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<Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fhxXz
[08:22:06] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb cf3970e - quicklaunch: update to v1.3
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[08:22:36] <PulkoMandy> yatendra1999: I need to run for work now, I'll be late :/
[08:22:53] <PulkoMandy> but, I don't think just porting ML toolkits is bringing a lot to Haiku
[08:23:17] <PulkoMandy> do you have some "opportunity" in mind? An app that would make Haiku users happy and help them in their daily workflow?
[08:23:32] <PulkoMandy> I have no idea how ML could integrate in Haiku
[08:24:15] <PulkoMandy> also, you should check haikuports to see what's already implemented. As a GSoC student you need to do your "homework" and research, especially if you decide to work on something that's not part of our idea list
[08:24:30] <PulkoMandy> you will have to sell us your idea and convince us that it's the direction Haiku should go in
[08:24:55] <PulkoMandy> (knowing that some of us have been working on Haiku for more than 10 years, so we have a pretty good idea where we want it to go, I'd say)
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[08:28:44] <yatendra1999> Sure. I will try to make a better and detailed explanation of my idea and present it later :)
[08:29:07] <humdinger> waddlesplash: I fixed the typo in the poorman chapter in the userguide, as reported earlier by nnyby.
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[08:36:06] <leemon> kallisti5: hi!
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[12:06:14] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] bach5000 51e2409 - Gadgeteer [recipe] (#3399)
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[17:57:53] <preetpal> Please review it.
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[18:05:11] <PulkoMandy> preetpal: hi, ok I'll look in a few minutes
[18:05:55] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, yup, waiting.
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[18:09:30] <PulkoMandy> preetpal: I'm adding comments in the Google Doc
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[18:15:40] <PulkoMandy> preetpal: ok, so this gives a nice overview for mouse and touchpad already. We have some ideas about what we should try to keep, what is missing, and what is there but not working well. It's interesting that all systems seem to have separate setting for mouse and touchpad. We will keep that in some way
[18:15:46] <PulkoMandy> what do you plan to do next?
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[18:22:37] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, also one more question. Can we compile and run each preferences separately? Because my laptop configuration is not so good, it takes long time to compile the whole image
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[18:23:17] <PulkoMandy> actually... I don't know. But maybe humdinger does
[18:23:30] <PulkoMandy> and yes, you can compile just a single application
[18:23:37] <PulkoMandy> jam -q Mouse to compile just Mouse preferences
[18:24:09] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, and then how to test it in the image?
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[18:26:04] <HAIKU-irker815> 2df3446676ba: XHCI: Allocate one physical chunk for all buffers if possible.
[18:28:48] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, regarding next plan, currently I am understanding the architecture of each preferences and finding the bugs which is easy to fix.
[18:32:03] <PulkoMandy> so, if you build inside Haiku, you can just run the executable from the generated/ directory (jam gives you the path when it builds it)
[18:33:03] <PulkoMandy> if you build outside Haiku for example in Linux, you need to copy the file inside your Haiku install first. You can use scp, a shared SMB filesystem, or any way to copy the file (I think scp is easiest, but it depends on your exact setup)
[18:34:03] <PulkoMandy> I think it would help if we can discuss a bit about the internal architecture of Haiku applications, if you have looked into the code already, as I expect you don't know about Haiku application sturcture yet :)
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[18:39:23] <Rajagopalan> jam -q @nightly-raw update Mouse
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[18:39:59] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, Yes, I aw the code of touchpad. TouchpadPrefView.h and TouchpadPrefView.cpp creates GUI. TouchpadPref.h and TouchpadPref.cpp handle all the operations (load, updating settings).
[18:39:59] <preetpal> It will be more helpful if you explain bit more...
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[18:40:24] <preetpal> Rajagopalan, yes sure, I will check it.
[18:40:30] <Rajagopalan> this generates raw image by just updating what u want u can use this if ur using linux as working environment
[18:40:38] <Rajagopalan> :)
[18:40:56] <Rajagopalan> Hey Pulkomandy
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[18:43:23] <PulkoMandy> hi
[18:43:34] <PulkoMandy> yes indeed you can update the image this way (while Haiku is not running)
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[18:52:08] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, yes we can discuss about code now.
[18:52:34] <PulkoMandy> yes, I'm sending you messages in a private chat to not disturb other people here, do you receive them?
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[18:54:13] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, yes, I received all messages.
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[19:12:37] <HAIKU-irker815> 57608a81c5c5: XHCI: Fix a race condition in request submission.
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[19:18:20] <waddlesplash> everyone with USB issues: test after that ^ commit
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[19:26:01] <Forza> Hello everyone :)
[19:26:24] <Forza> Just got my first Haiku kernel Panic :O
[19:26:33] <waddlesplash> message?
[19:28:01] <Forza> Let me see if I can do a screenshot. It's in "if_io_tqg"
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[19:29:47] <Forza> I had to retry the updater a few times as it would stop on some large package every time. Eventually it panicked
[19:30:26] <Forza> Could be a VirtualBOX bug. Probably most likely anyway :)
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[19:32:23] <Forza> I have kdebug> prompt going. Should I do anything there?
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[19:37:06] <Forza> @waddlesplash Should I reboot or should I try to provide more information, traces etc?
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[19:38:57] <B2IT> (AGMS) Forza, got VirtualBox networking set to Bridged mode? That fixes several problems.
[19:39:46] <B2IT> (AGMS) (maybe I should make a 'bot that spouts that off whenever it sees VirtualBox mentioned in IRC :-)
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[19:41:11] <Forza> B2IT (AGMS): Yes, it's in bridge mode
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[19:41:57] <Forza> Might be a good idea to do that bot too ;)
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[19:43:42] <B2IT> (AGMS) Ah well, wait a few years and you'll see that as a stock AI addition to online chat - answering routine questions automatically.
[19:44:40] <Forza> Heh. That was common back in the BBS days ;-) Remember bots answering in chats already back then. Great fun!
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[20:53:15] <lorglas> @bbjimmy, i have comment your question on github . I get no new Password from the forum.
[20:53:58] <lorglas> @bbjimmy, can you send me your loopdloop source, so i can look, what is to be changed
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[21:33:09] <lorglas> @bbjimmy, your request form on fatelk.com isn't working
[21:34:56] <lorglas> cu
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[22:18:15] <dewf> anybody know why Qt Creator receives Ctrl-/ as Ctrl-? instead ? is that some kind of OS thing going on? (standard US keyboard)
[22:19:10] <dewf> like it's perceiving a shift that's not there
[22:21:52] <waddlesplash> probably some bug in the Qt port
[22:22:36] <dewf> ah. not a big deal, I just changed the shortcut
[22:23:29] <dewf> I did not, didn't realize that ports had their own bug tracker
[22:23:33] <dewf> but now I will!
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[22:24:48] <mmu_man> :)
[22:25:18] <dewf> thank you
[22:29:50] <dewf> I wonder if it's possible to get CLion working remotely
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[22:44:48] <leemon> hi, what are you using for source code editing? is is something like vim or qtcreator?
[22:46:26] <dewf> I'm using Qt Creator at the moment. Tried Paladin but it wasn't working
[22:49:56] <leemon> dewf: do you use it for apps or for the kernel?
[22:50:59] <dewf> I'm currently working on a library for user apps. No idea what people use for kernel stuff typically.
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[22:52:03] <leemon> dewf: do you use it with Jam or cmake or qmake?
[22:52:08] <dewf> and I'm about to see if I can set up CLion to work remotely (via ssh/sftp)
[22:52:17] <dewf> CMake
[22:52:30] <dewf> and I don't have a preference there, it was just the easiest thing to get going :)
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[22:58:06] <leemon> ?
[22:58:12] <leemon> crypto kit
[22:58:47] <Barrett> isn't it a set of patches?
[23:00:16] <leemon> Barret: I though there might be a branch
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[23:03:45] <leemon> is kallisti5: somewhere around here? I want to start doing something with that kit
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[23:11:53] <leemon_> I want to ask how is Haiku tested?
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<Not-8d6a> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fhpfM
[23:36:58] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/website] glesica 7ca929b - Update KVM instructions for Ubuntu 18.10 and later (#271)
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[23:38:57] <HAIKU-irker130> 9e1ce8ed92e1: kernel: tweak USER_SIZE.
[23:39:29] <HAIKU-irker130> 5f48948f7fae: Roster: Fix PVS 460
[23:46:52] <waddlesplash> Vidrep_64: can you retest anything and everything XHCI related?
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