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[00:22:06] <mmu_man> NEED https://github.com/hackerb9/lsix
[00:25:00] <hbelusca> mmu_man: does haiku terminal support sixel?
[00:25:07] <mmu_man> no idea
[00:25:09] <mmu_man> don't think so
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[01:47:14] <LadySerena> mew mew!
[01:51:52] <krbtgt> BOwO
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[01:57:54] <Pentode> arf arf
[01:59:42] <Pentode> kitty has squid tentacles for legs
[01:59:57] <LadySerena> O_o
[02:00:15] <LadySerena> <import owo.h>
[02:00:30] <LadySerena> BOwO owo();
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[04:29:52] <mmu_man> NEED https://hackaday.com/2019/03/01/pack-your-sd-cards-swiss-army-style/
[04:40:02] <tidux> oh shit that's cool
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[05:29:16] <LadySerena> whoa that's cool
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[06:10:37] * IIsi50MHz scrolls back a bit
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[06:10:55] <IIsi50MHz> Why have I never heard of sixel?
[06:11:19] <tidux> because it was only ever vaguely supported by most hardware
[06:11:23] * IIsi50MHz imagines sixel + textmode browser
[06:11:23] <tidux> or not at all
[06:11:43] <tidux> like by the time MS-DOS Kermit got Sixel support, Win95 and IE were out
[06:11:49] <tidux> and then the web ate everything
[06:13:39] <krbtgt> that and if you wanted to remotely display graphics, VNC was coming
[06:13:49] <krbtgt> and RDP/Citrix for windows shops
[06:14:09] <IIsi50MHz> Just seems like sort of weird esoteric stuff I'd know. (^_^)
[06:14:24] <krbtgt> heh
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[07:04:22] <speewave> what app do you use to edit rsrc files?
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[08:38:39] <humdinger> Hullo Knez!
[08:38:43] <humdinger> you up?
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[09:35:20] <King_Warg> \o/
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[09:39:18] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/fhA6y
[09:39:20] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb a29b50e - youtube-dl: update to 2019-03-01
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[10:01:44] <Warg286> feel the latency of 12MHz
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[11:52:17] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/fhAPD
[11:52:18] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/website] pulkomandy 9ae6d7b - 02/2019 activity report.
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[12:59:48] <leemon> Hello, I want to participate in Outreachy with cryptoset project and my application hasn't been reviewed yet. But I still have some questions. For example, a silly one, when we download an archieve with the Haiku Image we can check an archieve's checksum but we can't check image's checksum. So, someone malicious can change the image and with bruteforce find hidden symbols for ReadMe.md in order to make checksum of the malicious arch
[13:00:11] <leemon> Though, this possibility is quite low.
[13:01:31] <leemon> Anyway, maybe it is better to publish checksums of the images?
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[13:01:57] <PulkoMandy> hi! yes, that makes sense, but then people could alter the README. Maybe less important :)
[13:02:17] <PulkoMandy> I don't know how we generate these checksums, probably something on the buildbots
[13:02:40] <PulkoMandy> did you contact Outreachy organizers to ask why the review is taking so long?
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[13:06:21] <leemon> I mean to publish both of them, though, it is not important. I haven't contact them. Also, they probably don't work today. I also have a question - what is the haiku's structure? I mean I can see in the instructions that tools create a raw image. But where can I see how it is created? Can libraries be built outside of the image on a host machine?
[13:08:49] <PulkoMandy> yes, publishing both would solve that indeed
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[13:09:44] <PulkoMandy> if you don't specify anything, the build process creates a filesystem image that you can use to boot Haiku. But you can also build a specific target, for example "jam -q libbe.so" to build just that library
[13:10:23] <PulkoMandy> however, libraries built that way can only be used in Haiku, so it you actually want to build code that runs on the host, it's more complicated
[13:10:51] <PulkoMandy> usually, you build just one part this way, and then get it into your Haiku install for testing
[13:11:11] <PulkoMandy> either you build from inside Haiku, or you copy the files around using scp or whatevet tool seems appropriate
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[13:25:43] <leemon> why is there a need for a custom compiler toolset for Haiku?
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[13:27:24] <Diver1> leemon: Haiku support has not been upstreamed to gcc yet
[13:27:35] <Diver1> *patches
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[13:28:31] <mmu_man> oh, how come I never committed this thing
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[13:28:45] <mmu_man> so useful
[13:29:11] <leorize> I recently tried to use libgcc_eh on Haiku to implement backtrace
[13:29:18] <leemon> Also, is it ok for me to work with x86_64? it seems that x86 also uses gcc2.
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[13:29:28] <leorize> the bad part is that the stacktrace stopped at the calling function :/
[13:30:53] <mmu_man> leorize: 64bit is not the officially supported platform, only gcc2hybrid is
[13:31:01] <mmu_man> altough it's mostly working
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[13:34:24] <PulkoMandy> leorize: we have libbacktrace
[13:34:26] <PulkoMandy> doesn't that work
[13:34:28] <PulkoMandy> ?
[13:34:38] <PulkoMandy> mmu_man: beta1 made x86_64 officially supported :)
[13:35:28] <PulkoMandy> leemon: well, we will have to make sure your code builds with both, I fear. This may be a good thing depending on your point of view: fancy C++11 and later features are not allowed. This makes the C++ easier to master in some areas, and more annoying to write in others
[13:35:29] <leorize> PulkoMandy: libbacktrace? I didn't find it anywhere
[13:35:57] <PulkoMandy> uh
[13:36:02] <PulkoMandy> leorize: libexecinfo
[13:36:07] <PulkoMandy> sorry I'm tired today :>
[13:37:10] <leorize> oh, that one also uses libgcc_eh :p haven't tried, but it appears to use the same method as I do
[13:37:46] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: oh, I need to update myself :D
[13:37:51] <PulkoMandy> well there is a --check in the recipe apparently
[13:38:01] <PulkoMandy> does it work? I think I tried it only on 32bit
[13:38:15] <PulkoMandy> and maybe we don't have a framepointer on 64bit yet or something
[13:38:56] <leorize> I'll try 32bit later
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[13:39:34] <HAIKU-irker371> haiku.master: mmuman * hrev52945 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2c73537c43db+%5Ed3a6abe9207a
[13:39:34] <HAIKU-irker371> 2c73537c43db: Add a catarea bin tool
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[13:39:42] <mmu_man> WTF git complaining… "warning: unable to open 'headers/…/cfe' and others
[13:39:52] <mmu_man> those were removed
[13:43:07] <PulkoMandy> mh yes, saw something similar in webkit
[13:43:17] <PulkoMandy> so it's probably not FS corruption on my side then. Good!
[13:43:56] <PulkoMandy> mmu_man: maybe you could add it to the Jamfile?
[13:44:13] <mmu_man> yeah need to clean it up a little first
[13:44:28] <mmu_man> let's git fsck
[13:44:46] <mmu_man> I recall seeing those warnings already, but they vanished after some command, do'nt remember which
[13:45:28] <mmu_man> hmm I did run a git gc the other day there
[13:45:45] <mmu_man> oh beoclock, still didn't have committed this
[13:46:01] <leemon> PulkoMandy: it's okey. Though, I really enjoy smart pointers in modern c++.
[13:46:01] <mmu_man> should I add it to src/test (for the non-rect windows) or put it on github?
[13:46:04] <PulkoMandy> unrelated: I have a Sun Ultra 60 under my desk now :D I'll look into network booting it and see if I can make something useful out of it
[13:46:13] <mmu_man> cool
[13:46:33] <PulkoMandy> it has OpenBSD installed but that manages to break the video output. Starts ok in OpenBoot, but when openBSD takes over the display becomes corrupt
[13:47:07] <PulkoMandy> leemon: yes, that's one of the nice things. We have BReferenceable which is somewhat of a replacement for them
[13:47:25] <leemon> PulkoMandy: cool, I will build Haiku as soon as I get home, then.
[13:47:45] <PulkoMandy> :)
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[13:49:05] <Pentode> an ultra 60 eh? better put extra supports under your floor.
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[13:51:19] <PulkoMandy> it's not that bad I'd say
[13:51:47] <Pentode> yeah i suppose not
[13:52:02] <PulkoMandy> the machine that surprised me most about weight is a full-featured Amiga 4000 packed with RAM and expansion cards. It's not a very large box, but it's full of metal and PCBs, not air like your usual PC case
[13:52:16] <Pentode> by todays end-user market it's pretty big tho
[13:52:26] <PulkoMandy> yes
[13:52:50] <Pentode> i can't think of anything i'd rather lug than a packed amiga
[13:52:52] <Pentode> ;)
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[14:01:18] <Rajagopalan> good evening guys!
[14:01:23] <PulkoMandy> hi!
[14:01:47] <Rajagopalan> i thought i will take a break from exams ;)
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[14:09:55] <mmu_man> https://github.com/mmuman/BeOClock
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[14:17:54] <PulkoMandy> you have a bebits link in here :o)
[14:18:04] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/fhA1V
[14:18:06] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes e1b4e57 - Otter-Browser: fix dictionary paths for hunspell
[14:18:54] <mmu_man> git etch: engrave history in stone so you can't rebase it.
[14:18:56] <Rajagopalan> but its not working
[14:19:06] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: and oh surprise it's broken :D
[14:19:15] <mmu_man> is looncraz still around?
[14:20:06] <mmu_man> ah yeah, mail from this month, cool
[14:23:59] <mmu_man> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/14940#ticket
[14:24:11] <mmu_man> how come something so important wasn't there yet? :)
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[14:50:30] <chad7> hi! I am new to haiku and I am participating in OUTREACHY .Can you help me to get easy issues and on how to get started with haiku
[14:53:29] <Diver1> chad7: welcome! I think you can start from here https://www.haiku-os.org/development/getting-started/
[14:55:57] <chad7> I am interested in design and implement "crypto kit"
[14:56:10] <chad7> thanks
[14:59:11] <PulkoMandy> chad7: hi, there is a list of "easy" tasks here: https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/EasyTasks but you can also look at the bugtracker for the complete list of issues if there is something you think you can work on (we are not always good at keeping the "easy" list up to date and it also depends on your skills)
[14:59:36] <PulkoMandy> also there is the option to go at https://review.haiku-os.org and work on improving/finishing one of the pending patches there
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[15:04:02] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/fhAML
[15:04:03] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 5a3c434 - Sonnet: fix dictionary paths for hunspell
[15:04:28] <chad7> thanks
[15:10:17] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Build haiku-x86_gcc2_hybrid #240 is complete: Success [build successful] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/46/builds/240
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[17:43:48] <HAIKU-irker684> haiku.master: aplgithub * hrev52946 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c91b716e09f9+%5E2c73537c43db
[17:43:48] <HAIKU-irker684> c91b716e09f9: HaikuDepot : Generate Sources -Fix Build
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[18:12:15] <LadySerena> mew mew
[18:12:47] <_Dario_> hello
[18:17:57] <LadySerena> o/
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[18:58:02] <LadySerena> I've been thinking about porting Haiku's graphics system to my kernel as the KGS (Kernel Graphics Service) and abandoning Xorg from its role as KGS
[19:02:23] <leorize> you should never ever use Xorg as KGS :P
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[19:04:21] <hbelusca> what's your kernel?
[19:04:59] <PulkoMandy> there was a patch for Linux addind a kernel side window manager for the framebuffer, but I forgot how it was named and can't find it
[19:05:11] <PulkoMandy> also, you should never use Xorg :p
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[19:06:58] <LadySerena> Oxygen Kernel has not yet been released
[19:07:44] <LadySerena> there is an issue with licensing and porting Haiku's graphics to be the KGS
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[19:09:34] <LadySerena> basically, I'd like to release o2kern with the BSD license
[19:09:49] <hbelusca> hm by googling that name I find "oxygen kernel - samsung galaxy J7"
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[19:14:54] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/webkit] pulkomandy pushed 209 commits to rebased [+278/-170/±2067] https://git.io/fhA98
[19:14:56] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/webkit] aboya at igalia dot com c1abcd1 - [MSE][GStreamer] Unreviewed debug build fix, obsolete assert
[19:14:57] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/webkit] darin at apple dot com 6de68bc - Simplify and streamline code that creates an appropriate document based on MIME type
[19:14:59] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/webkit] ysuzuki at apple dot com d4d7f40 - [JSC] Do not use InferredValue in non-JIT configuration
[19:15:00] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/webkit] ... and 206 more commits.
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[19:18:47] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/webkit] pulkomandy tagged 5e9efd3 as 1.6.9 https://git.io/fhA9g
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[19:49:44] <hbelusca> hi guys, does the haikuos project have some requirements when submitting patches, regarding the committer name?
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[19:57:49] <B2IT> (AGMS) Yes, and there are suggesions on how to format comments in a commit. There's a web page with the details at...
[19:58:08] <B2IT> (AGMS) (hunts around for the web page)
[19:59:29] <B2IT> (AGMS) See https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/get-source-git
[20:03:10] <PulkoMandy> not really, some of the contributors use their realname, other prefer a nickname, some use both depending on the git settings of the machine they work on :)
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[20:04:27] <PulkoMandy> if you make significant changes it may be a good idea to update the copyright header of the files with a name/email, making sure you agree to distribute the changes under MIT. There I think we always use the realname and ideally an email address, but we are not checking this as much as we should, so...
[20:05:27] <hbelusca> Are there haiku contributors that are only known by nicknames (aka you actually don't know who they are)?
[20:09:51] <PulkoMandy> I see two suspicious names in the About Box, so I guess yes :)
[20:10:42] <PulkoMandy> I don't see a problem with that in any case, author rights still work even under a pseudonym, so they can license their work as MIT, and that's all we need
[20:13:21] <hbelusca> ok thanks!
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[21:53:03] <GregCrain> I'm trying to submit a patch into Gerrit and it keeps saying authentication fails. No characters show onscreen for the password entry..?
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[21:56:57] <leorize> yea, that's how password entries work in terminal
[21:58:42] <GregCrain> ok, just want to be sure. I've tried several times. I can log in at the Gerrit page for Haiku, but I must be doing something wrong in the terminal
[22:01:20] <hbelusca> keyboard layout incorrect?
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[22:12:40] <PulkoMandy> the password to use is not your github password, it's a generated password you can find in Gerrit settings after logging in to the webpage
[22:12:49] <PulkoMandy> or, just set up an ssh key there, that may be easier
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[22:21:36] <GregCrain> yeah, it seems to be no ssh key
[22:39:18] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: so, after this patch, any change on any of your XHCI controllers for the other stalls?
[22:40:30] <GregCrain> My chipset, rev 0.96 only gets past init, and get the partition type. Then it stops responding.
[22:40:43] <GregCrain> A NEC rev 0.96
[22:41:41] <GregCrain> Before this patch, the Host Reset would mostly fail, and it wouldn't even complete initialization
[22:42:33] <GregCrain> I'm mostly using a mass storage hard drive for testing. Haven't even tried a mouse or keyboard.
[22:49:34] <GregCrain> I'm not exactly sure what you mean by stalls. When mine stops, I get endless "_LinkDescriptorForPipe max transfers exceeded" on syslog.
[22:49:56] <GregCrain> It doesn't recover
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[23:07:47] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: actually kallisti5's recent Ryzen machine has the same behavior (gets partition type)
[23:08:48] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: so at least this means setup is entirely correct, and we do get some data back, but then it stalls. Maybe it only gets the first 8 transfers in, and then it doesn't wrap back to the beginning of the ring properly?
[23:09:25] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: so, it seems this isn't an "early rev" hardware problem at least
[23:13:47] <GregCrain> waddlesplash: I added some debug code when this happens. I request a Noop, and get an IRQ right away. That works fine. SO, it'
[23:13:59] <GregCrain> it's nothing on the CommandRing.
[23:14:20] <GregCrain> It's the Transfer ring that seems to stop
[23:14:20] <waddlesplash> yes
[23:14:55] <waddlesplash> try adding tracing code to print the ring status in FinishTransfers
[23:15:05] <waddlesplash> err, I mean the return code of the TRB
[23:15:18] <waddlesplash> if we get STALL then the ring will be stopped and needs to be reset
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[23:16:00] <waddlesplash> also you can add tracing code to request the transfer ring status
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[23:19:14] <GregCrain> The thing I see, is that IRQ stop for the Transfer ring... The DoorBell gets rang, but no IRQ, which is really odd to me, since even if you have a bad descriptor, it should still generate an IRQ
[23:19:55] <GregCrain> And transfers keep getting requested, until max transfer exceeded.
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[23:24:10] <syedsouban> hi guys I had a silly doubt regarding contacting you guys through mailing list for gsoc 2019
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[23:33:47] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: no, it doesn't necessarily, read the spec
[23:34:22] <waddlesplash> GregCrain: the interrupt will only occur on TRBs with the IOC bit set, and if it never gets to those TRBs, no interrupts for you
[23:34:49] <waddlesplash> i.e. so if there is an actual stall and the endpoint stops, no interrupts will be issued after that
[23:35:02] <GregCrain> ahh.. ok
[23:35:04] <waddlesplash> so please add tracing and see if we are getting a Stall error code
[23:35:16] <waddlesplash> if we aren't, that will make things harder
[23:35:26] <waddlesplash> if we are, then we can try and figure out why that is
[23:35:39] <GregCrain> will try that then
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