February 28, 2019 
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February 28, 2019 [00:01:26] *** embden <embden!~embden@185.202.212.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:06:37] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has joined #haiku[00:09:10] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:09:28] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has joined #haiku[00:10:44] *** HAIKU-irker731 <HAIKU-irker731!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[00:10:44] <HAIKU-irker731> haiku.master: Barrett17 * hrev52940 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=88d7c7740aeb+%5E1d3959edfb07[00:10:44] <HAIKU-irker731> 88d7c7740aeb: media-add-ons/usb_webcam: Fix -Wclass-memaccess[00:10:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-irker731[00:13:49] *** Vidrep_64 <Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:18:12] *** Nish <Nish!~vision@40.211.202.84.customer.cdi.no> has joined #haiku[00:22:21] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p4FCBC3EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[00:23:55] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.163.63> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:24:44] <Nish> Hi all! Although I'm very new to Haiku (all of 30 minutes), the os looks great. For any of the developers out there: good job![00:27:27] *** kupi <kupi!uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bgurfhstlmqyvlzf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:29:37] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:30:14] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@50.110.99.221> has joined #haiku[00:46:29] <mmu_man> Nish: thanks ![00:53:05] *** leorize <leorize!~leorize@2001:ee0:4101:1326::9d5> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[01:10:21] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@77.70.96.237> has joined #haiku[01:10:24] *** HaikuUser is now known as core1024[01:10:28] *** hbelusca <hbelusca!~hbelusca@reactos/developer/hbelusca> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)[01:11:23] *** MrHuggy <MrHuggy!~MrHuggy@adsl-178-78-88-138.karoo.kcom.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:12:22] *** tombhadAC <tombhadAC!~root@x4db705c1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:14:27] *** core1024 <core1024!~vision@77.70.96.237> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:25:14] *** leorize <leorize!~leorize@gateway/tor-sasl/leorize> has joined #haiku[01:26:54] *** Prognoz <Prognoz!~Prognoz@181.231.204.129> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:34:41] <Androo> Anyone know if display drivers (other than VESA) support refresh rates above 60Hz?[01:34:55] <waddlesplash> yes, I think radeon_hd does[01:35:08] <waddlesplash> dunno if it's exposed in the GUI anywhere[01:36:19] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[01:38:26] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has joined #haiku[01:39:54] <Androo> Hmm. It's looking more and more like I should switch from nVidia to AMD.[01:43:52] *** Adura <Adura!~Adura@toroon213mw-lp130-04-67-68-35-62.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #haiku[01:43:59] *** Adura <Adura!~Adura@toroon213mw-lp130-04-67-68-35-62.dsl.bell.ca> has left #haiku[01:59:30] *** Vidrep_64 <Vidrep_64!~vision@d75-156-156-137.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[01:59:58] *** Androo <Androo!~andy-gild@174-086-073-152.dhcp.chtrptr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[02:06:51] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Build haiku-x86_gcc2_hybrid #237 is complete: Success [build successful] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/46/builds/237[02:21:42] *** tombhadAC <tombhadAC!~root@x4db705c1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:23:43] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:26:29] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[02:59:09] *** liuyb3 <liuyb3!~liuyb@114.246.97.1> has joined #haiku[03:10:45] *** HAIKU-irker731 <HAIKU-irker731!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Quit: transmission timeout)[03:23:58] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@186.22.121.175> has joined #haiku[03:32:27] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC ()[03:58:35] <trn> Has there been any recent progress on Haiku 68K?[04:01:42] <trn> mmu_man: word[04:03:32] -HAIKU-Buildbot- Build haiku-release-x86_gcc2_hybrid #192 is complete: Failure [failed uploaded release (failure)] - https://build.haiku-os.org/buildbot/#builders/35/builds/192[04:04:43] <mmu_man> trn: not much[04:09:13] <trn> aw.[04:09:29] <trn> as long as its not forgotten[04:09:40] <mmu_man> other archs have been broken for some time due to package management[04:09:49] <mmu_man> we're still cleaning things up[04:09:53] <mmu_man> anyway, zz[04:09:59] <mmu_man> no it's not forgotten :D[04:10:04] <trn> :)[04:13:33] *** preetpal <preetpal!~androirc@2409:4055:713:925a:8d74:1cdf:7cf7:28c1> has joined #haiku[04:15:21] <trn> thx[04:29:17] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:46:31] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@186.22.121.175> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[04:57:13] <King_Warg> up next haiku 286[05:02:07] <speewave> out of curiosity, what's the use case for Haiku 68k? like what devices was\is this running on?[05:02:38] <trn> Extended Amiga 1200 would be the likely target[05:02:41] <trn> or Vampires[05:02:59] <speewave> Oh neat![05:03:02] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@120.21.139.18> has joined #haiku[05:03:19] <speewave> i was gonna say, like the Vampire is the newest thing 68K related i've heard of in a while with it's 68060 cpu[05:03:31] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@120.21.139.18> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:03:45] <speewave> i've never owned an amiga, would love to get my hands on one someday[05:09:10] <King_Warg> mac lciii and performa ftw[05:09:14] <trn> You can build a decent system with AmiKit and OS 3.1.3[05:09:18] <trn> err .4[05:09:44] <trn> https://www.amikit.amiga.sk/store[05:11:23] *** mutin-sa <mutin-sa!~s-mutin@85.234.114.134> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:11:42] *** nyc <nyc!~nyc@unaffiliated/wli> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[05:12:17] <trn> No connection with them, just satisfied. You can also do a system with a Pi with UAE4ARM (Amibian for example) and patch it up or use http://classicwb.abime.net or similar[05:13:23] *** mutin-sa <mutin-sa!~s-mutin@85.234.114.134> has joined #haiku[05:15:13] <speewave> Hmm i'll look in to that more, thanks.[05:17:56] <speewave> Normally i'd be all about having the original hardware, and while i still would love a hardware amiga, my latest retro computer experience with an Apple 2GS i got a while back kinda soured me with all it's problems... Got spoiled by a very well maintained 486 PC i got for almost nothing a few years back.[05:21:09] *** nighty- <nighty-!~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[05:21:24] <speewave> hmm, Okay, So i had mentioned earlier today that i'd be trying to use HaikuPorter to build an x86_64 package of YouCompleteMe, I got it to compile but i'll get an error that the Python3 instance Crashed and there's no logs that i can tell and i'm not entirely sure how to debug this situation? any tips or ideas?[05:21:37] *** nighty- <nighty-!~nighty@b157153.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:24:27] <leorize> speewave: what version of Haiku are you running?[05:24:43] <speewave> Nightly, x86_64[05:25:23] <leorize> where does the crash occur? when you use it or during build?[05:27:42] <speewave> When you use it. like once you open up a .cpp file within vim within a few seconds of trying to type something i'll get a message informing me of the crash from Haiku[05:28:14] <leorize> the same version does not crash on other OS, right?[05:30:07] <speewave> unfortunately i only have Haiku to try it on, i can only assume that this isn't an issue on another OS[05:30:33] <speewave> this package was marked as untested for my architecture in the ports.[05:31:01] *** freakazoid0223 <freakazoid0223!~matt@pool-108-52-159-210.phlapa.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:34:16] *** preetpal <preetpal!~androirc@2409:4055:713:925a:8d74:1cdf:7cf7:28c1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:35:38] <speewave> Based on the syslogs it looks like it's a page fault, but unfortunately it doesn't tell me the specific offender[05:36:05] <speewave> it seems silly but, let me try a reboot and see if that does anything[05:36:26] <leorize> can you please file an issue on HaikuPorts? I'd appreciate if you could add detailed information on how to reproduce it.[05:36:59] <leorize> PulkoMandy uses YCM so he should be able to help you should it keeps crashing[05:40:11] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has joined #haiku[05:42:16] <speewave> Ok, i'll get on that in a bit![05:42:27] <speewave> Do you need anything like core dumps or reports?[05:42:48] <leorize> a debug report would be helpful :)[05:42:51] <speewave> or just how to reproduce the issue?[05:43:09] <leorize> the more data the better :)[05:43:18] <leorize> before that try to update your nightly to the latest version[05:43:48] <speewave> yep, i was just about to do that as well as a restart. i'll be back on here in a few[05:44:04] *** speewave <speewave!~vision@98-125-21-209.dyn.centurytel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.10.3]: i've been blurred!)[05:52:42] *** amritpal <amritpal!~amritpal@103.40.198.101> has joined #haiku[06:02:45] *** jjpx <jjpx!~jjpx@gateway/tor-sasl/jjpx> has quit IRC (Remote 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<tqh!~frho@82-183-10-104.customers.ownit.se> has joined #haiku[19:36:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[19:36:31] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@103.40.198.101> has joined #haiku[19:38:59] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, From the links provided by you yesterday, I have compiled haiku on VirtualBox. Here is my blog:[19:38:59] <preetpal> https://preetpalk.wordpress.com/2019/02/28/outreachy-day-1/[19:40:08] <PulkoMandy> ok, great :)[19:40:50] <PulkoMandy> so you have the development tools set up now, you can make changes to Haiku and test them[19:41:12] <preetpal> Yes.[19:41:58] <PulkoMandy> the next step is making a very simple change and sending it to http://review.haiku-os.org, to try the process of sending your work for review. For example you can add your name to the "AboutSystem" application where all contributors to Haiku are listed[19:42:41] <PulkoMandy> we have instructions for making the change here: https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/GoogleCodeInTaskBuildHaiku[19:43:00] <PulkoMandy> and for sending your work for review: https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/CodingGuidelines/SubmittingPatches[19:43:38] <PulkoMandy> as usual don't hesitate to ask if you need help. After this we can start looking into more complex changes and starting to see what the project is about, as you will have all the tools and process ready[19:43:44] *** S1mpleBrain <S1mpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:44:05] *** S1mpleBrain <S1mpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[19:45:16] <preetpal> PulkoMandy, yes sure, got it![19:48:59] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@marrand.net> has joined #haiku[19:48:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[19:52:17] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[19:52:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[19:55:14] *** Whothis <Whothis!~Who@45-17-58-132.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[19:56:01] <IIsi50MHz> King_Warg1: I wish I could pretend only War Thunder would have point B. I'd invite you to squad sometime.[19:58:07] *** nyc <nyc!~nyc@unaffiliated/wli> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:59:11] *** HAIKU-irker159 <HAIKU-irker159!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[19:59:11] <HAIKU-irker159> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev52941 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1f0635d2277d+%5E88d7c7740aeb[19:59:11] <HAIKU-irker159> 1f0635d2277d: Game Kit: Fix -Werror=class-memaccess[19:59:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-irker159[20:02:07] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@marrand.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:06:38] *** amritpal <amritpal!~amritpal@103.40.198.101> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[20:10:28] <HAIKU-irker159> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev52942 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=579b9cd9b9d4+%5E1f0635d2277d[20:10:29] <HAIKU-irker159> 579b9cd9b9d4: Adjust the magic incantations to fix spacing[20:11:09] *** SimpleBrain <SimpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[20:11:37] <jjpx> adjusting spells from the Haiku Grimoire?[20:12:03] *** S1mpleBrain <S1mpleBrain!~simp@34.187.125.91.dyn.plus.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:12:44] <PulkoMandy> yes, this is code from BeOS in Tracker, so it needs a rewrite[20:13:01] <PulkoMandy> but until then, adding magic values everywhere to get it to look mostly right will have to do[20:13:31] <waddlesplash> that's the last file that has those magic incanations I think[20:13:37] <waddlesplash> all other windows in Tracker use layouts[20:14:41] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: did you see my comment on https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/1085/5 ?[20:17:11] <PulkoMandy> yes[20:17:16] <PulkoMandy> I think this one can be removed too[20:17:32] <zdykstra> hey neat, that merged[20:17:54] <PulkoMandy> I'm going to be busy in the next few weeks as Outreachy students tend to contact their mentor directly and I'm only mentor for 3 of our projects there and secondary mentor for the 4th project[20:17:59] <PulkoMandy> and no one wants to help :p[20:20:43] *** amritpal <amritpal!~amritpal@103.40.198.101> has joined #haiku[20:26:46] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@marrand.net> has joined #haiku[20:26:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:32:43] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:34:18] <embden> PulkoMandy: Where is it possible to read a description of Outreachy projects? I created an account on outreachy but they haven't reviewed it yet, so, I can't see projects' descriptions[20:34:52] <PulkoMandy> hi, yes, one needs to wait for review to get all the details. But you can ask me :)[20:36:57] <embden> PulkoMandy: my fellow girl-student registered from the beginning and she also haven't been reviewed. She thinks it is not fair and what about freedom of information and etc. At the same time, she is quite shy to write emails to random people.[20:37:14] *** amritpal <amritpal!~amritpal@103.40.198.101> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[20:37:30] <PulkoMandy> embden: we have put up 4 projects: completing the Be Book (using Outreachy as an opportunity as this wouldn't be allowed in GSoC), Reworking the HTTP library in Haiku, Unifying the mouse/keyboard preferences in Haiku, and "crypto kit" which is about improving crypto support in Haiku (random number generators, hashing, etc)[20:37:39] <PulkoMandy> well, she can write to me. Am I random? :>[20:38:14] <PulkoMandy> Outreachy staff will be reviewing applications anyways. For the 3 ideas that are also for GSoC, there is a description in our GSoC ideas list as well, which is public[20:38:28] <PulkoMandy> but the Outreachy one is a little longer because they ask for more details[20:38:49] <PulkoMandy> it is unconvenient to send it here however, so if you have an email address I can send a copy of the full ideas there[20:40:40] <embden> PulkoMandy: I can't understand girls , but yes, any random person is a random person for her . Also, what about cryptokit - I wasn't able to find the idea description on haiku-os.org[20:41:06] <PulkoMandy> indeed, it isn't on the page[20:41:51] <PulkoMandy> looks like kallisti5 didn't confirm he would be happy mentoring this in GSoC as well[20:44:25] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@103.40.198.101> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:52:13] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[20:52:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[20:53:10] *** hUMUNGUs <hUMUNGUs!~humungus@90.209.9.46.customer.cdi.no> has joined #haiku[20:53:32] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@82-183-10-104.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[20:57:33] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@103.40.198.101> has joined #haiku[20:58:46] *** preetpal <preetpal!~preetpal@103.40.198.101> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:01:54] <hUMUNGUs> Question: In the Haiku HW comp. listing. Radeon HD 7570 is listed as working. Although. the desktop never shows up. No icons. If i boot in Vesa mode. Things work. The device/id for the card is: 0x675d[21:04:54] <Pentode> hUMUNGUs, 2d accel isn't supported anyway so other than the proper modes using the display drivers really doesn't offer a whole lot[21:05:52] <hUMUNGUs> hm. but getting to use other than 800x600 on a 28" would be great[21:05:58] <Pentode> hUMUNGUs, is it loading the proper driver? there are several radeon drivers, you could try blacklisting them if thats the problem.[21:06:20] <hUMUNGUs> blacklisting in bootmenu ?[21:06:45] <Pentode> theres a tutorial on haiku-os on it. i can't remember how to do it since i've only done it once some time ago[21:06:46] <hUMUNGUs> the driver doesnt seem to load. the screen goes gray. nothing[21:06:53] <hUMUNGUs> ok[21:07:35] <Pentode> i had a similar problem with a radeon card, though the drivers worked there were glitches[21:07:46] <Pentode> it was loading the wrong driver for some reason so maybe you'll luck out[21:08:28] <Pentode> alternatively there may be a way to manually add modelines for your card so you can use the vesa driver with higher resolutions[21:08:57] <hUMUNGUs> yeah. ? how ? edit driver.cpp ?[21:09:31] <Pentode> not sure. hopefully not ;)[21:10:03] <Pentode> i gotta run to work for a few hours. if you are still stuck i'll see what i can find out when i get back[21:10:49] <hUMUNGUs> thanks buddy. Its late here. so in 2 hours im asleep.. but Telegram is another nice place to talk[21:12:56] <Pentode> well i'm always here just drop in[21:16:50] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@marrand.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:16:51] <hUMUNGUs> thanks[21:30:41] *** kupi <kupi!uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kowxbiitxbirypeo> has joined #haiku[21:32:14] <embden> Can I also ask a strange question - why does haiku participate in Outreachy?[21:32:39] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:33:59] <Pentode> my guess, and that's all it is, is because there are so few women software developers compared to men -- especially in the open source community, someone felt like it might be a good thing.[21:34:10] <Pentode> as far as i know there is only one female on the haiku team[21:35:51] <embden> For example, when my sister has participated in Outreachy I found one girl from the same city who participated in Haiku. At the same time she was working in Microsoft so she wasn't eligible. And of course she just got money and hadn't return to the project after its completion.[21:36:00] <jjpx> haiku team is all of us, but yes there is only one woman in the Inc. board[21:36:39] <Pentode> jjpx, indeed.[21:36:44] <embden> s/has participated/participated[21:42:41] <Pentode> the few female software engineers that i've known / worked with were quite good at it[21:45:45] <PulkoMandy> I think a more diverse team for Haiku would be great. People with different point of views on what we do, etc. Be it more woman, contributors from countries where we don't have much yet, etc[21:45:57] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[21:46:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:46:41] <PulkoMandy> also, why not? We have the money to fund one student, so let's apply and see if we get some good applications from people who can help with Haiku for at least a few months (and if they stay after Outreachy is over, even better)[21:47:03] <PulkoMandy> if we don't get good applications, we just dont' accept anyone and don't spend any money, right? :)[21:47:11] <PulkoMandy> (I hope we will get great applications anyway :))[21:47:12] <Pentode> yep[21:47:12] <Pentode> ;p[21:47:31] <embden> I want only to say that there is a number of cheaters in Outreachy[21:48:00] <embden> among applicants[21:48:11] <PulkoMandy> how can one cheat? The application process is there to check their skills, and if someone doesn't put the required work, we just don't accept them[21:48:30] <embden> Because sometimes mature devs participate[21:49:04] <Pentode> wouldn't worry me a whole lot[21:49:19] <embden> mature male devs whose purpose is to make easy money[21:49:20] <Pentode> and if you are analytic you could pick the cheaters out ;p[21:49:22] <PulkoMandy> also, not official yet, but I'm trying to convince my employer to fund Haiku. It is much easier to get this done by "let's promote diversity in the tech industry", which they are somewhat aware of already, than "let's fund an obscure opensource project I'm a core contributor of"[21:49:59] <Pentode> PulkoMandy, that would be cool[21:50:06] <PulkoMandy> embden: how is that cheating? If they get through the screening process of Outreachy, and then do useful contributions, that's still good for us? (ok, it is not good for diversity)[21:50:22] <PulkoMandy> anyway, that part is up to Outreachy organizers to check[21:50:27] <PulkoMandy> we have no control on it[21:50:42] <embden> PulkoMandy: that's bad because they won't continue to contribute[21:50:55] <PulkoMandy> and, if someone wants to make easy money with Haiku, just send contract proposals to Haiku inc directly[21:51:04] <PulkoMandy> you don't need Outreachy mentoring, so...[21:51:35] <Pentode> i'm surprised there aren't more sponsors for Haiku, actually. in my opinion it's a really good project.[21:51:40] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[21:51:47] <PulkoMandy> also, given my current pay, I wouldn't say the Outreachy rate is competitive for someone who is already established as a developer, etc. So, easy money, really?[21:51:55] <Pentode> there are so many little open source projects out there but there are few that really stand out[21:52:13] <PulkoMandy> we don't look hard enough for sponsors. No PR team in Haiku since koki was removed from the project[21:52:18] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[21:52:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:52:21] <PulkoMandy> so it's just devs hacking around[21:52:22] <embden> PulkoMandy: but in countries like India or Ukraine established developers got less[21:52:27] <Pentode> i see[21:52:53] <PulkoMandy> embden: and getting Indian or Ukainian developers in also increases our diversity[21:53:09] *** Glider_IRC_ <Glider_IRC_!~Glider_IR@37.171.56.122> has joined #haiku[21:53:20] <embden> that's why google has chanhed their stipend policy[21:53:35] <embden> because cheating was huge[21:53:35] <PulkoMandy> the current team is pretty much western EU (Germany/France), USA, and New Zealand, maybe one or two russians[21:53:42] <PulkoMandy> we can do better[21:54:03] <PulkoMandy> was it cheating? I think all applicants we got were students and Google did check for that[21:54:12] <Pentode> i wish i had time to contribute in a more meaningful manner[21:54:18] <Pentode> maybe when I retire.. ;)[21:54:24] <PulkoMandy> there was a lot more cheating in the first runs of Google Code-In, and there they removed money prizes altogether[21:54:27] <speewave> Is it that people are scared away from helping? or is it just that few know about Haiku?[21:54:45] <PulkoMandy> I hope we didn't scare anyone :)[21:55:02] <Pentode> it's not a very well known project IMHO[21:55:08] <speewave> I've only been here a couple days but you all seem nice enough so i didn't think that was the case hah[21:55:28] <Pentode> I've yet to meet anyone in person who doesn't cock an eyebrow when I bring it up[21:55:50] <Pentode> when i mention BeOS though I get the instant "ohhh yeah BeOS!"[21:55:57] <Pentode> every seems to have liked Be[21:56:07] <PulkoMandy> at open source shows we often don't qualify as a "serious" project in people eyes, I think[21:56:23] <PulkoMandy> (and we see more and more people who never heard about BeOS, now)[21:56:26] <Pentode> ...wonder what "qualifies" one as serious.[21:56:45] <speewave> it's popular[21:56:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, I don't know either. Few years ago it was lack of LibreOffice but now that's fixes :)[21:57:01] *** Glider_IRC__ <Glider_IRC__!~Glider_IR@37.173.178.61> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:57:24] <PulkoMandy> anyway, we are also not making this much efforts towards getting more public[21:57:32] <Pentode> now it's graphics accelerator support ;)[21:57:38] <PulkoMandy> we do the occasional open source event here in France (3 or 4 a year)[21:57:44] <PulkoMandy> but basically that's it[21:57:53] <PulkoMandy> there should be more people doing the same elsewhere[21:58:09] <PulkoMandy> book a booth, setup a machine running Haiku, sell some DVDs, give stickers away, etc[21:58:10] <Pentode> speaking of which, is anyone working on that? is borrowing from BSD still the plan?[21:58:28] <PulkoMandy> no one actively working on it, whoever gets to it first decides on a plan :>[21:58:30] <embden> PulkoMandy: I know that Haiku in Russia is quite active - they post regularly on the biggest Russian IT site - habr.com[21:58:45] <Pentode> PulkoMandy, whats your opinion?[21:59:07] <PulkoMandy> Pentode: I think the BSD drivers are all more or less wrappers around the Linux ones[21:59:16] <PulkoMandy> if that's the case, we may as well wrap the original too[21:59:35] <Pentode> hmm[21:59:36] <Pentode> yeah[21:59:49] <Pentode> no sense in wrapping wrapped wrappers ;p[22:00:01] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:00:24] <PulkoMandy> so, taking inspiration from one of the BSDs, but writing our own compat layer, seems to make sense[22:00:46] <Pentode> yeah i agree[22:00:47] <PulkoMandy> I'm not really interested in that, I'm not really into gaming, so basically it woul only benefit the web browser for me[22:00:50] <Pentode> it seems the best route[22:00:57] <PulkoMandy> sounds like a lot of work for little gain[22:01:18] <Pentode> I do a lot of graphics development as a hobby so i'm pretty interested in seeing it work[22:01:26] <PulkoMandy> but of course other people have different motivations and needs[22:01:40] <PulkoMandy> my secondary hobby when I'm not hacking on Haiku is 8bit computers stuff[22:01:45] <krbtgt> i'd imho go for power management over 3D accel[22:01:46] <Pentode> it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility _if_ i could scrape up more time and abandon current projects to take it on[22:01:53] <PulkoMandy> which ended up in a lot of tools being packaged for Haiku for that and microcontroller dev[22:02:02] <Pentode> but i'm reluctant to start something if I can't finish it[22:02:12] <krbtgt> note ACPI DSDTs are cursed as hell[22:02:27] <PulkoMandy> yes, being able to put the computer to sleep would be nice[22:02:36] <Pentode> yeah[22:02:48] <PulkoMandy> also, security model with permissions for apps as in Android, maybe[22:02:55] <Pentode> and also wireless / usb wireless[22:02:57] <PulkoMandy> but we'll see when we start to get real apps :D[22:03:08] <PulkoMandy> soundcard support would be nice. Maybe webcam[22:03:27] <mmu_man> OSS?[22:03:34] <PulkoMandy> yes, but that's no fun :>[22:03:42] <PulkoMandy> maybe we should make OSS the default, yes...[22:04:06] <PulkoMandy> don't hesitate to start on something and drop it[22:04:15] <mmu_man> some bugs to fix still[22:04:36] <PulkoMandy> don't worry, someone will get back to it, just put your work on Gerrit to make sure it doesn't get lost[22:05:03] <PulkoMandy> often I'm annoyed to see so many unfinished things in Haiku, so I just take one of them and try to get it into more mergeable shape[22:05:31] <PulkoMandy> and sometimes I just pause something for a while to see if someone else picks it up[22:05:37] <mmu_man> yeah[22:05:59] <Pentode> yeah I'm compulsive when it comes to certain things. one of the things that drives me mad is un-finished projects ;-)[22:06:10] <PulkoMandy> also, tomorrow or this weekend I'm finally getting that sparc station delivered, so it will be hardware hacking weekend :>[22:06:37] <PulkoMandy> and also someone donated me an Apple ][ and it seems to have weird video control/mixing cards in it[22:06:45] <PulkoMandy> but not the hardware that goes with them, sadly[22:07:00] <PulkoMandy> and the single floppy that came with it is for that card, and only boots to an IO error[22:07:17] <PulkoMandy> and of course it's weird Apple floppy format that I can't write from a PC :)[22:07:30] <Pentode> neat[22:07:43] <Pentode> an apple][ is still on my bucket list since it was one of my first machines ;)[22:08:05] <Pentode> i'll settle for a ][gs, though. ;p[22:08:28] <speewave> If you have a setup with ADTPro you can get that disk transfered out[22:08:32] <PulkoMandy> I would, too. But some old friend called me and told me he found this and would donate it to me if I pay for shipping, so...[22:08:47] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@unaffiliated/gouchi> has joined #haiku[22:08:58] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: OSS is dead[22:09:06] <waddlesplash> last commit 4 years ago iirc[22:09:25] <waddlesplash> Pentode: I have blueprints for GPU drivers but haven't had any time at all[22:09:44] <mmu_man> well if it works[22:09:49] <Pentode> waddlesplash, yeah time is my problem as well.[22:09:53] <PulkoMandy> ah neat, bootstrapping from cassette port[22:10:00] <Pentode> i really want to see it started[22:10:02] <PulkoMandy> now I have a reason for getting audio to work on my Haiku install :p[22:10:06] <waddlesplash> and re. USB wireless, I was working on it, but I really need Qt Creator to do cross reference and Diver1/Diver/3dEyes never fixed that :/[22:10:17] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: LOL[22:10:25] <Pentode> QT creator is costly?[22:10:46] <PulkoMandy> doesn't monkey studio do some of it? Or vim+YouCompleteMe?[22:10:50] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: did you see my last comment on that ticket? looks like we don't force widgets to unmute[22:10:54] <waddlesplash> may be relevant[22:11:15] <waddlesplash> Pentode: no, it worked, but then Diver & 3dEyes changed something in Qt and now it is totally broken[22:11:46] <Pentode> aw[22:11:47] <speewave> PulkoMandy: If your Apple 2 has the serial card (or you have a 2gs or 2e where it's built in) it's even better than trusting the audio interface[22:12:48] <PulkoMandy> no, I have a printer card, 80 columns card (nonstandard one), language card (well, Microsoft RAMCard actually) and these weird lightshow/videoprojector/whatever controllers[22:13:09] <PulkoMandy> the parallel port in the printer card could be abused, I guess...[22:13:24] <PulkoMandy> or I should just get more expansion cards :)[22:13:45] <Pentode> more expansion cards gets my vote ;p[22:14:09] <jjpx> make a printer sing[22:18:33] <PulkoMandy> my only printer here is also an Apple one... it needs a serial port[22:18:44] <PulkoMandy> and I still have to write Haiku drivers for it, too[22:21:27] <speewave> Are there any Apple 2 Related utilities for Haiku by chance?[22:22:28] <speewave> I know CiderPress is windows based and ADTPro is java (i'm not sure if Haiku even has Java support, but i can't imagine it'd be hard to make a compliant port in C++, at least on the serial front)[22:23:16] <mmu_man> yes we do have java[22:29:43] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:29:48] <PulkoMandy> not yet, but guess what I'll spend my weekend on ;)[22:30:18] <PulkoMandy> anyway, time to sleep here :)[22:31:10] <speewave> g'night![22:32:48] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:39:12] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.77.87> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:39:28] *** hUMUNGUs <hUMUNGUs!~humungus@90.209.9.46.customer.cdi.no> has quit IRC ()[22:41:12] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.105.115> has joined #haiku[22:42:27] *** MrHuggy <MrHuggy!~MrHuggy@adsl-178-78-88-138.karoo.kcom.com> has joined #haiku[22:48:57] *** embden <embden!~embden@185.202.212.202> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)[22:51:41] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[22:51:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[22:58:27] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-144-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[22:59:36] *** bos20k <bos20k!~bos20k@ool-4579e359.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[23:10:33] *** HAIKU-irker159 <HAIKU-irker159!~irker@walter.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Quit: transmission timeout)[23:19:09] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@unaffiliated/gouchi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:26:37] *** swerner <swerner!~swerner@ipbcc2a6f2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #haiku[23:30:22] *** brj <brj!~brj@123.201.105.115> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:39:48] *** Rafaga2k <Rafaga2k!~textual@200.68.136.218> has joined #haiku[23:53:36] *** swerner <swerner!~swerner@ipbcc2a6f2.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC ()[23:57:44] *** nyc <nyc!~nyc@unaffiliated/wli> has joined #haiku