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[00:05:22] <Maylay> maybe disable any extra repositories
[00:05:43] <Maylay> and also make sure the internet connection is up
[00:05:59] <Maylay> remember having the same problem briefly and now forgot how i fixed it
[00:06:46] <The_Ringmaster> repos are default and internet is fine.
[00:07:45] <The_Ringmaster> any way to clear the pkgman cache?
[00:09:51] <_Dario> you can clear the pkgman cache using the FilWip app
[00:10:15] <Maylay> maybe remove the repos and add the same ones back
[00:10:34] <The_Ringmaster> Maylay: I was going to try that
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[00:11:58] <_Dario> the Pkgman cache is in /boot/system/cache/package-repositories
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[00:26:00] <The_Ringmaster> I downloaded and booted the latest nightly and from the live environment I still get the same general system error
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[06:09:39] <leorize> I'm getting a bunch of "General system error" from pkgman atm...
[06:09:43] <leorize> we need better error messages
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[06:28:49] <nagerst> howdy
[06:28:57] <nagerst> how do i install the boot manager in haiku?
[06:29:14] <nagerst> bootman does not seem to be installed like it used to be
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[06:53:43] <waddlesplash> nagerst: BootManager app
[06:53:53] <waddlesplash> leorize: we used to, and then we switched to the libnetapi-based pkgman
[06:53:59] <waddlesplash> I think the repos are out
[06:56:52] <korli> hi waddlesplash
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[07:08:01] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/fhs98
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[07:08:03] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0a9ca27 - clazy: new recipe (#3540)
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[07:11:15] <leorize> waddlesplash: I'm on hrev52676, that switch should already be here?
[07:11:33] <leorize> hi korli
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[07:20:12] <waddlesplash> huh? we merged that a while ago
[07:20:31] <waddlesplash> I'm saying there were proper error codes under libcurl, and now there are not under libnetapi
[07:20:38] <waddlesplash> anyway, time for me to go to bed, night
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[07:22:49] <leorize> shouldn't that switch enable proper error codes?
[07:24:36] <leorize> iirc back with libcurl there is "return B_ERROR" everywhere
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[07:29:14] <nagerst> many applications in haikudepot lacks an install button like FUSE (the emulator)
[07:29:26] <nagerst> is it supposed to be like that?
[07:29:48] <leorize> I don't think so
[07:29:50] <nagerst> nvm
[07:29:58] <nagerst> i was just stupid
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[07:30:49] <nagerst> btw do all apps respect font choises made in the preferences panel?
[07:31:14] <leorize> I believe they all do
[07:34:11] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/fhsHs
[07:34:12] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 68d2e03 - clazy: enable x86.
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[07:38:49] <nagerst> is there a uae empulator for haiku?
[07:45:07] <korli> nagerst: fs-uae?
[07:45:54] <nagerst> thank you
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[07:58:40] <nagerst> I have forgotten how to hide join/part messages in vision... what would be the proper procedure for doing so?
[08:09:56] <nagerst> screensaver preferences say "libgl.so.1 is missing. Where can i find the missing lib?
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[08:29:58] <korli> nagerst: do you have mesa installed?
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[08:38:27] <brobostigon> woop, the random customer number generation in my testing customer db works fairly well it seems.
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[08:45:03] <nagerst> hehe system boke, had to reinstall
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[08:47:26] <brobostigon> broke?
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[12:59:40] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://git.io/fhGTf
[12:59:42] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 5156c9e - libwpg: bump version
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[13:24:00] <HAIKU-irker723> haiku.master: * hrev52719 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=27a59a2fa4c3+%5Eae09eb30c504
[13:24:00] <HAIKU-irker723> 27a59a2fa4c3: cortex: Fix PVS 1206
[13:24:29] <HAIKU-irker723> haiku.master: * hrev52720 [1 commit] https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=808cc3cd50a8+%5E27a59a2fa4c3
[13:24:30] <HAIKU-irker723> 808cc3cd50a8: mail: Fix PVS 962
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[13:56:06] <Rajagopalan> evening guys!!
[13:58:13] <Rajagopalan> what is managing broken https certificate
[13:58:42] <Rajagopalan> should i warn the user that the site is a risk ahead?
[13:58:46] <Rajagopalan> any pointers here?
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[14:18:47] <Diver> Rajagopalan-Gang: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12865 seen this one?
[14:20:29] <Rajagopalan-Gang> diver i should make an error message to tell the users right
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[15:21:35] <Chain|Q> hi
[15:24:28] <Chain|Q> sooo i'm porting free pascal onto x86_64 haiku... and ran into a reproduceable kernel crash with r1/beta1... is it any interest to some kernel developer, or i should try the nightly first? :)
[15:24:33] <Chain|Q> also mind you, it's virtualbox
[15:27:34] <leorize> you should try with both and give us the stacktrace ;)
[15:28:04] <leorize> there's a source port of free pascal pending in HaikuPorts, can you look into that?
[15:29:04] <Chain|Q> maaaybe? although i'm not the haiku maintainer of that thing. i'm working on the free pascal svn.
[15:29:47] <Chain|Q> and i know there's a pending patch for X years now :D against mainline fpc, which we didn't like. which is regarding the gcc2 vs. gcclatest linking mess.
[15:30:33] <Chain|Q> anyway, will go and crash again for the stacktrace :)
[15:31:09] <leorize> just avoid gcc2 :P
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[15:32:45] <Chain|Q> well, the patch adds some custom haiku-specific command line option which changes between two hardwired library paths for linking. which could just as well go to the compiler config... otherwise, what do i know?! :D i'm not even a regular haiku user, just ended up hacking around for fun.
[15:33:27] <leorize> you could just employ gcc to link instead :)
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[15:34:18] <Chain|Q> that's actually an idea...
[15:34:33] <Chain|Q> on BeOS FPC historically supported running w/o libroot, but not on Haiku
[15:34:52] <leorize> you need libroot on Haiku
[15:35:01] <Chain|Q> so i could just as well change the linking process... hmmm...
[15:35:14] <leorize> we don't lock our syscalls so yea, you are stuck with C :)
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[15:35:57] <Chain|Q> well, FPC can run standalone, syscall interface or whatever native API an OS provides, or on top of libc (on Un*xes)
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[15:36:01] <Chain|Q> the later is true for Haiku
[15:36:24] <Chain|Q> and only the later. another example of a libc-only port is Darwin, for example. on Linux/BSD we can do both.
[15:36:53] <krbtgt> i assume windows is native too
[15:37:44] <Chain|Q> indeed... in fact most platforms we don't need libc, but Un*xes are "C or die" :)
[15:37:53] <Chain|Q> on Linux we need libc for threading, because pthreads.
[15:38:04] <krbtgt> yeah, it snot like VMS where everything is equal
[15:38:05] <Chain|Q> but apps compiled w/o threading can run w/o libc
[15:38:24] <krbtgt> well, there's always manipulate linux threads using syscalls but i assume it's a pita
[15:38:54] <Chain|Q> indeed. and when you use a library which uses pthreads, it just ends up as a mess.
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[15:42:47] <Chain|Q> http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/haiku_64bit_r1_fpc_oops.png <- does this work as a stacktrace? :)
[15:42:52] <Chain|Q> this is with r1
[15:43:01] <Chain|Q> will retry with latest nightly
[15:43:19] <Chain|Q> it's entirely possible that FPC does something which it really shouldn't but the thing should still not crass, i presume :)
[15:43:32] <Chain|Q> also, it's weird because it's quite late in the build process, at building some package.
[15:43:57] <Chain|Q> and at this point the compiler has built itself, and the rebuilt compiled itself successfully, etc...
[15:44:32] <leorize> if you can reliably reproduce it, please open a ticket at https://dev.haiku-os.org
[15:45:48] <Chain|Q> well, yes. so far i couldn't make it pass beyond this point in the build. although the stacktrace is not always the same. sometimes it's a bit shorter, and only the first part is there.
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[15:53:36] <Chain|Q> boom :) ok, latest nightly crashed too, same stacktrace. and even earlier, but still during package build.
[15:54:03] <Chain|Q> ok, lets ticketize this
[15:54:10] <leorize> it'd be awesome if you could dissect that part and manage to reproduce it with a small example :P
[15:54:22] <leorize> but that's a bit overkill lol
[15:55:54] <Chain|Q> i have a suspect it's something to do with parallel building... because the packages build is a parallel process, everything before is serial.
[15:56:26] <Chain|Q> which means it's quite hard to make it a "small example". heck the packages build uses our own builder tool :D (wasn't invented by me, but it is what it is)
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[15:56:46] <leorize> well, Nim is massively paralleled when building and no panic in sight :P
[15:56:56] <Chain|Q> i could probably switch parallel builds off... if it's that at all.
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[15:59:44] <Chain|Q> btw, because the PANIC says x87 FPU Floating-Point error, i tried to switch FPC to run with SSE floating point, and not use the x87 fpu at all, but no luck.
[16:00:14] <leorize> the panic was in the kernel, so I doubt it was fpc
[16:00:52] <Chain|Q> well, whatever thread "PtyReader" is :)
[16:02:04] <leorize> bbl
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[16:20:01] <Chain|Q> well, made a ticket.
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[16:36:35] <Chain|Q> ok, switched off parallel builds, still no go. :(
[16:37:47] <Diver> Chain|Q: please attach kdl image to your ticket
[16:37:53] <Chain|Q> i linked it
[16:37:59] <Chain|Q> but i can attach it too
[16:38:28] <Diver> please do
[16:39:02] <Chain|Q> done
[16:39:44] <Diver> so you hit this bug https://xem.github.io/minix86/manual/intel-x86-and-64-manual-vol3/o_fe12b1e2a880e0ce-229.html
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[16:59:58] <Begasus> 'lo peeps
[17:00:22] <humdinger> Begasus!
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[17:04:25] <humdinger> quick reboot
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[17:08:09] <Begasus> humdinger, !
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[17:12:17] <Chain|Q> oh, managed to work it around... switched off "process" unit. which is some utility class to start an external process and read/write from/to it's stdin/stdout/stderr.
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[17:12:38] <Chain|Q> now it worked.
[17:12:42] <leorize> is it spamming any syscall by accident?
[17:15:50] <Chain|Q> define "spamming" ? :) calling in a tight loop?
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[17:16:16] <Chain|Q> i can look into it what it tries to do...
[17:16:25] <leorize> = invoking it? :P
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[17:18:18] <Begasus> hi leorize :)
[17:18:27] <leorize> hi Begasus :)
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[17:18:55] <Begasus> hi Rajagopalan-Gang
[17:19:09] <Rajagopalan-Gang> hello begasus
[17:19:17] <Begasus> should really start to clean some of the merged branches :)
[17:19:18] <Rajagopalan-Gang> what doing
[17:19:32] <Rajagopalan-Gang> woah woah
[17:19:45] <Rajagopalan-Gang> sounds like mods job
[17:19:46] <Begasus> not much, just got back from work (after 3 weeks) :)
[17:20:05] <Rajagopalan-Gang> hmm then u must be pretty tired
[17:20:29] <Begasus> well I did my miles today :) new people to train
[17:20:47] <Rajagopalan-Gang> thats great to hear
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[17:21:00] <Begasus> real life mentoring ;)
[17:21:15] <Rajagopalan-Gang> woah haiku is full of inspiring people
[17:21:43] <Rajagopalan-Gang> always admired You pulkomandy waddlesplash leorize humdinger
[17:21:55] <Rajagopalan-Gang> when will i ever become up to that level
[17:21:59] <Rajagopalan-Gang> lol dont know
[17:22:03] <krbtgt> we all started from nothing
[17:22:14] <krbtgt> and it took everyone a different path to get where they are
[17:22:15] <Begasus> right :)
[17:22:34] <Rajagopalan-Gang> yes im also trying to do something
[17:22:40] <Begasus> I even make lots of errors ;)
[17:22:53] <Rajagopalan-Gang> but i just got stagnant somewhere
[17:23:05] <Rajagopalan-Gang> dont know what should i do next
[17:23:10] <Rajagopalan-Gang> everything fascinates me
[17:23:14] <Rajagopalan-Gang> i wanna try everything
[17:23:21] <leorize> then try everything? :P
[17:23:25] <Rajagopalan-Gang> hahaha
[17:23:38] <Rajagopalan-Gang> i am going to learn porting
[17:23:40] <Begasus> start with the easy ones, if your successfull there it's easier to move forward
[17:23:55] <Rajagopalan-Gang> porting seems to be my current interest
[17:24:06] <Rajagopalan-Gang> i will try to port some hello world kind of things
[17:24:14] <Rajagopalan-Gang> then as leorize once asked me
[17:24:17] <Rajagopalan-Gang> porting wine
[17:24:24] <leorize> definitely not me
[17:24:30] <Begasus> https://repology.org/metapackages/?inrepo=haikuports_master&outdated=1&families_newest=2-
[17:24:38] <leorize> and that's certainly not "hello, world" :P
[17:24:54] <Begasus> we've got plenty of stuff outdated that could use some updates there
[17:25:19] <Rajagopalan-Gang> oh i think its korli then leorize
[17:25:31] <Begasus> some are easy to update, some can be harder :)
[17:26:12] <Rajagopalan-Gang> hmm updating the old ones begasus
[17:26:18] <Rajagopalan-Gang> let me start from easy ones
[17:26:26] <Begasus> yeah, it's a starting point
[17:26:40] <Rajagopalan-Gang> for egs should i refer haikuports?
[17:27:19] <Rajagopalan-Gang> it is late here now
[17:27:33] <Rajagopalan-Gang> i should probably get some sleep
[17:27:48] <Rajagopalan-Gang> will do from tommorow full fired up
[17:28:12] <Rajagopalan-Gang> gute nacht begasus leorize krbtgt!!
[17:28:13] <Begasus> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/3202
[17:28:25] <Begasus> that's an easy one Rajagopalan-Gang :)
[17:28:29] <Begasus> g'night :)
[17:28:39] <Rajagopalan-Gang> will surely check tommorow begasus
[17:28:48] <Rajagopalan-Gang> thank you guys!! :)
[17:28:52] <Begasus> cu!
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[17:29:31] <Chain|Q> look ma', no hands: http://charlie.amigaspirit.hu/temp/private/haiku_x86_64_fp-ide-1st.png
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[17:30:19] <Begasus> nice Chain|Q !
[17:30:24] <Begasus> hi Vidrep_64 :)
[17:30:24] <leorize> nice!
[17:31:33] <Vidrep_64> Hi Begasus
[17:33:06] <Vidrep_64> When asked to use a "guarded heap" to run a program, is this what is meant?: LD_PRELOAD=libroot_debug.so <your program here> or LD_PRELOAD=libroot_debug.so MALLOC_DEBUG=g <your program>
[17:33:33] <leorize> the latter
[17:33:46] <Vidrep_64> Okey Dokey
[17:34:09] <Vidrep_64> Thanks leorize
[17:34:22] <leorize> np :)
[17:34:25] <Vidrep_64> Hey humdinger, how's life?
[17:42:04] <Begasus> busy it seems :)
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[17:45:36] <Begasus> 'lo Forza
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[17:52:08] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 7803932 - openjdk8: bump jdk8_hotspot.
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[18:09:49] <Forza> Begasus: hello
[18:10:35] <Forza> Was outside clearing the garden of some left over construction materials :)
[18:11:11] <Begasus> np :)
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[18:16:13] <Begas_VBox> do we have some hidding -lsocket?
[18:16:27] <leorize> no?
[18:16:54] <Begas_VBox> I can check for the funtion inet_ntop in -lsocket and -lnetwork and it seem to link ok with -lsocket?
[18:17:19] <Begas_VBox> thought so too leorize (can't find any lib on my system for -lsocket)
[18:17:33] <Begas_VBox> AC_SEARCH_LIBS([inet_ntop],[socket network])
[18:17:42] <leorize> libnetwork includes everything from libsocket
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[18:18:12] <Begas_VBox> yeah, but one would thought it would use -lnetwork for it then?
[18:18:53] <Begas_VBox> or does it inherrit it from libsocket?
[18:18:54] <leorize> libsocket is a symlink to libnetwork
[18:19:22] <Begas_VBox> wouldn't that be available in the system then, (as in visable?)
[18:20:03] <leorize> weird
[18:20:14] <leorize> can you find libsocket.so anywhere in the file system?
[18:20:18] <Begas_VBox> my point :)
[18:20:22] <Begas_VBox> nope
[18:20:39] <Begas_VBox> just filed a querry looking for it
[18:21:20] <Begas_VBox> eeps nvm maybe a typo previous :)
[18:21:29] <leorize> :P
[18:21:51] <Begas_VBox> linkg to libnetwork indeed
[18:21:56] <Begas_VBox> links*
[18:22:37] <Begas_VBox> ok, so the above check would be prefered to AC_SEARCH_LIBS([socket],[socket inet network])
[18:23:21] <Begas_VBox> as we need to check the function "inet_ntop"
[18:24:46] <leorize> I have school early tomorrow so gotta sleep now
[18:24:48] <leorize> bye all
[18:25:15] <Begas_VBox> g'night leorize!
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[18:41:24] <Begasus> bbl
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[18:43:31] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e15f08c - netbeans: trigger build for x86_64.
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[21:24:22] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/fhGD3
[21:24:24] <Not-8d6a> [haiku/website] pulkomandy bc96749 - Publish pages for GSoC 2019.
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[21:41:57] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/fhGDV
[21:41:58] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy e5c4290 - vim: bump revision to rebuild against new python
[21:41:59] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 3868d60 - youcompleteme: bump version
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[21:50:25] <Lelldorin1> hello all
[21:50:37] <Knez> Evenin' Lelldorin1
[21:58:19] <Shashvat> hi
[21:58:56] <Shashvat> anyone knows the username of the Google-Code in winners from Haiku ?
[22:03:08] <PulkoMandy> https://codein.withgoogle.com/#winners
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[22:08:21] <Shashvat> I meant IRC usernames
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[22:59:56] <Xeon3D> PulkoMandy: you there?
[23:00:32] <Xeon3D> Is it you who has powers to give translator access on the haiku-app-translating-site (not pootle!)
[23:01:51] <waddlesplash> Xeon3D: no, that's KapiX
[23:04:35] <Shashvat> hello
[23:05:15] <Shashvat> can you guys give me the IRC username of the GCI 2018 winners ?
[23:06:02] <B2IT> (AGMS) Does anyone even know that? May have to go through the IRC logs to find that.
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[23:19:39] <Xeon3D> waddlesplash: but there was someone else other than KapiX...
[23:19:45] <Xeon3D> argh it was Humdinger.
[23:20:48] <Xeon3D> aaaaaand I just found out freenode has memoserv :) wonder if humdinger will read it :)
[23:23:10] <Shashvat> thank you
[23:23:17] <Shashvat> the other one?
[23:23:57] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [+4/-2/±0] https://git.io/fhG9K
[23:23:59] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 6c344cd - libftdi: update to latest versin and fix packaging
[23:24:00] <Not-8d6a> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 61cdb68 - libsigrok: preliminary recipe
[23:24:46] <Shashvat> ???
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