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[00:03:56] <Duggan2> Vidrep true that
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[00:05:23] <Duggan2> hej tojoko
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[00:12:09] <tojoko> hello :)
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[00:34:16] <Vidrep> Hi
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[00:56:24] <Vidrep> Hi Dane__
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[01:54:50] <Vidrep> Hi Fishpond
[01:54:55] <Vidrep> Just saw your email
[01:55:10] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Hi Vidrep
[01:55:11] <Vidrep> Can I do a git pull yet?
[01:55:27] <Fishpond> Sure, the everything is "pushed".
[01:55:54] <Vidrep> So, that would now be v0.0.3-12?
[01:56:57] <Vidrep> I've been running v0.0.3-11 since early this morning. Only a couple of crashes. Both occurring after playing for some period of time.
[01:57:12] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Oh sorry, I left it at -11. I only update the version when I update the packages in the depots.
[01:57:53] <Vidrep> OK, so I guess that doesn't happen until after a period of testing
[01:58:39] <Vidrep> We don't want to be pushing "daily updates"
[01:58:49] <Vidrep> ...to HaikuDepot
[01:58:50] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Exactly. But if you pull changes and build you still have everything up to date.
[01:59:03] <Vidrep> OK
[01:59:32] <Vidrep> This last build has been pretty good
[02:00:49] <Vidrep> Did you fix the issue with the dist directory?
[02:02:22] <Fishpond> I tried to have the directory included in the git repository but that will not accept empty directories.
[02:03:11] <Vidrep> Quick reboot...
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[02:03:28] <Fishpond> So I still need to fiddle something in the makefile. Normally, the makefile-engine stuff that's included should set up TARGET_DIR, but somehow it doesn't.
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[02:05:00] <Fishpond> "quick reboot" - a comment one shouldn't see too often on Windows forums.
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[02:14:45] <Vidrep> Fishpond, I like the drop down for listenlive.eu
[02:15:01] <Vidrep> It takes the guesswork out of searching
[02:16:16] <Vidrep> Just got my first crash, adding a station from the search list :)
[02:18:15] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Ok, tat's not so good. One thing: You can report bugs on github as well if you like. I like the email reports too.
[02:24:35] <Vidrep> The emails work fine for me
[02:26:39] <Fishpond> Found the ptoblem, it's a regression from the changes to the station directory...
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[02:27:44] <Vidrep> It's a good thing that you've called it "experimental". Certainly it is more crash prone that shoutcast
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[02:32:07] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Oh, it's not Shoutcast. They charge you dearly. I'm using http://www.radio-browser.info which is a community effort startet by some enthusiast. It's more stable since the offer an API, i.e. the query results come back as json or xml  which is a lot easier to parse than html. The only commercial one I'm planning to look at is Dirble currently.
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[02:34:47] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Ok, now it is build -12 that was a stupid error.
[02:36:38] <Vidrep> It seems that the crashes occur if you start adding stations before all the data is populated in the search result
[02:37:33] <Vidrep> It seems if you wait a while before adding stations it wont crash
[02:37:50] <Fishpond> Vidrep: Rebooting now to build x86_64...
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[02:52:22] <Vidrep> _3dEyes - NaviTracker?
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[02:58:56] <_3dEyes> Vidrep, heh.. Is someone else interested in this very old project?
[02:59:28] <Vidrep> I still have a few revisions in my BeOS archive
[03:00:28] * Duggan2 hides his GoBe Productive pkg...
[03:02:54] <Vidrep> Fishpond, that's now working a bunch better
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[03:06:31] <Vidrep> I have to play taxi driver for my wife.Back later...
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[03:33:17] <Vidrep> _3dEyes, have you ever considered working on Tracker again?
[03:33:39] <Vidrep> I don't think Tracker has changed much in 15 years
[03:34:27] <Vidrep> Maybe a bit of that old time NaviTracker stuff to spice it up a little?
[03:38:40] <Duggan2> as much as I love pointers, sometimes they're a real pain...
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[03:40:41] <Vidrep> Hey Duggan2, nothing like spending a Saturday night messing with Haiku, eh?
[03:41:07] <Vidrep> ;)
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[04:00:38] <_3dEyes> Native look and feel for MDI Qt5 windows: http://haikuware.ru/files/screenshots/LibreCAD_2.1.3_Qt5.6.1_NativeLookAndFeel.png
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[04:42:25] <Duggan2> this is starting to really irk me... so I've got this BMessage that I'm posting to a window... to it I attach a pointer via AddPointer, then try to find the data in the window via FindPointer... the name is the same and PrintToStream() verifies the data is there by the name I'm requesting, yet it still fails...
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[05:45:56] <Duggan2> figured it out :P
[05:46:59] <johnny_b> nicely done!
[05:47:02] <johnny_b> 8)
[05:47:09] <johnny_b> greetings
[05:50:37] <Duggan2> hej johnny_b :)
[05:55:32] <Duggan2> weren't you the one giving me crap yesterday about how long it will take me to get my profiler working? :P
[05:56:19] * johnny_b taking a look around ...
[05:56:26] <johnny_b> nope 8p
[05:57:29] <Duggan2> lol alright then...
[05:58:46] <johnny_b> 8)
[05:59:16] <johnny_b> is it ready now?
[06:05:03] <Duggan2> almost
[06:05:21] <Duggan2> a bit limited on functionality, but will be useful regardless...
[06:05:34] <Duggan2> not going to worry about graphing anything yet, just getting the data to a window
[06:09:10] <johnny_b> cool
[06:10:29] <johnny_b> screenshot?
[06:12:01] <Duggan2> not yet lol
[06:12:26] <Duggan2> not ready yet... just got the data coming into the window, now I need to finish setting up the columnlistview, then add the data to it...
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[06:16:15] <johnny_b> i see
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[06:19:58] <Duggan2> johnny_b needless to say, the hard part is over... back to the tedium :P
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[06:24:48] <johnny_b> Duggan2: we'll see 8)
[06:26:06] <Duggan2> nah, I've worked with the BColumnListView enough, it shouldn't be too bad... just tedious... not doing anything particularly fancy here
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[06:47:17] * Duggan2 cries
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[06:48:44] <johnny_b> what happened? 8/
[06:50:12] <Duggan2> sometimes I'm so badass I can't take it
[06:50:15] <Duggan2> http://imgur.com/a/DuKZu
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[06:54:40] <johnny_b> 8)
[06:55:07] <johnny_b> nicely done, master parser
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[07:05:07] <Duggan> johnny_b what did you get before my internet crapped out on me?
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[07:08:13] <Begasus> good morning all
[07:08:34] <Duggan> hej Begasus :D
[07:09:00] <Begasus> hey Duggan johnny_b
[07:10:15] <Begasus> nice stats PulkoMandy! :)
[07:10:45] <Duggan> now for a real test, I think I'll try it out in Web+...
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[07:13:35] <johnny_b> hi Begasus
[07:13:46] <johnny_b> Duggan: just the screenshot
[07:13:56] <Duggan> oh ok, good... that was all :D
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[07:15:00] <Duggan> it may look underwhelming, but it's a pretty friggin awesome tool if I must say so myself...
[07:15:31] <Duggan> (would be much nicer with graphs and all... probably won't happen anytime soon though)
[07:16:31] <johnny_b> hehe
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[07:30:20] <Duggan> stupid unused variable warnings...
[07:31:02] <Duggan> why does g++ like to tell me I have unused variables when they very obviously ARE used?...
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[07:32:53] <Begasus> turn off warnings? ;)
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[07:36:34] <Begas_VBox> LIBDIR=$(shell finddir B_COMMON_LIB_DIRECTORY)
[07:36:55] <Begas_VBox> don't think we still use B_COMMON_LIB* etc anymore ... right?
[07:40:01] <jessicah> nop
[07:41:31] <Begas_VBox> B_SYSTEM_LIB_DIRECTORY though should look better*
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[07:55:38] <jessicah> that will be read only, unless this is for a recipe
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[07:57:33] <Duggan> tada! http://imgur.com/a/lCTJR
[07:58:35] <Begas_VBox> always for a recipe jessicah ;)
[07:58:51] <Begas_VBox> I'm not touching the Haiku source! ;)
[07:59:13] <jessicah> :)
[08:00:34] <Begas_VBox> probably wasting my time here (glpng), buy hey, maybe I could learn something from it (at my age) :P
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[08:07:55] <Duggan> hej humdinger
[08:08:31] <humdinger> Duggan!
[08:08:39] <humdinger> CSI Duggan : The Profiler
[08:08:46] <Duggan> lol
[08:09:16] <humdinger> did you use "profile" for your profiler?
[08:09:17] <Duggan> plugged it into a couple of spots in Web+ http://imgur.com/a/lCTJR
[08:09:22] <humdinger> is it "just" a front end?
[08:09:34] <Duggan> nope
[08:09:54] <Duggan> it's a for real profiler that shows real-time data as the program executes
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[08:10:22] <humdinger> aha. nice!
[08:10:50] <humdinger> I have no idea about profiling. Just tried to watch the BG debugging video, but the quality is abyssmal... :\
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[08:12:32] <Duggan> profiling is just a matter of timing execution... most profilers are batch profilers which means they store all the data for you to process after execution is finished... this profiler lets you see trends as the program executes so you can see how your interactions with it cause code to execute, both number of calls, plus execution time
[08:13:16] <Duggan> and it's semi-hierarchical... as in it knows how much time it spends in other profiled zones and takes the difference
[08:14:05] <humdinger> does it have an "optimize code now" button? :)
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[08:14:35] <Duggan> in that screenshot: Total Time is the total number of clock ticks while executing that zone, Sub Time is how many clock ticks while in a zone within the current zone, Self Time = Total Time - Sub Time (how much time this zone is executing that is not accounted for in sub-zones)
[08:15:07] <Duggan> humdinger not yet, I'm working on that ;)
[08:15:24] <Duggan> I need to make the "fix code now" button work first ;)
[08:15:47] <humdinger> that should speed up development...
[08:16:40] <Duggan> is that an honest statement about the profiler, or is that a not-so-honest statement about the "fix/optimize code now" buttons? :P
[08:17:10] <Begas_VBox> hmm ... how can I set the path with "finddir" for docDir in a makefile?
[08:17:17] <Begas_VBox> moin humdinger :)
[08:17:42] <humdinger> it definitely is curently about the fix/optimize. time will tell if it applies to your profiler as well. :P
[08:17:51] <Duggan> lol
[08:17:52] <humdinger> hi Begas_VBox!
[08:18:42] <humdinger> Begas_VBox: look how the makefile_engine's Makefile does it.
[08:18:47] <Duggan> I can give somebody the source if they want to play with it I guess
[08:19:07] <Duggan> funny how just yesterday when I said I was working on it and should have it done soon, I was told that it'll take weeks :P
[08:19:23] <Begas_VBox> k thanks humdinger ... hunting for the makefile_engine now ;)
[08:19:39] <humdinger> Begas_VBox: in Tracker: New > Makefile
[08:22:48] <Begas_VBox> doesn't give me anything (useful) humdinger :/
[08:25:11] <humdinger> Begas_VBox: wouldn't DOC_DIRECTORY := $(shell finddir B_SYSTEM_DOCUMENTATION_DIRECTORY) work?
[08:25:40] <Begas_VBox> that's probably what I needed humdinger :)
[08:25:52] <Begas_VBox> couldn't find the instance for it
[08:26:19] <humdinger> Begas_VBox: the problem might be though, that it hard codes the system hierarchy.
[08:26:27] <humdinger> what if the package gets installed in home?
[08:26:50] <humdinger> might not be the right approach.
[08:27:03] <humdinger> I don't port...
[08:27:21] <humdinger> Duggan: what will you call your profiler?
[08:27:36] <humdinger> "Dr. Waters" maybe?
[08:27:44] <Duggan> beats me, it's just a real-time profiler
[08:27:48] <Duggan> I don't get it
[08:28:01] <humdinger> there used to be a tv show "profiler"
[08:28:18] <humdinger> the profiler was Dr. Sam Waters
[08:28:37] <humdinger> played by the really quite hot Ally Walker
[08:28:39] <Duggan> on the BBC? not ringing a bell, but who knows... I'm not a tv watcher anyway, especially crime dramas
[08:28:53] <Duggan> maybe we could call it "Dr. Walters"? ;)
[08:28:57] <humdinger> it was US
[08:29:17] <humdinger> Who's Dr. Walters?
[08:29:31] <Duggan> Walter? the 2nd place name for Haiku...
[08:29:38] <humdinger> ah.
[08:29:43] <Duggan> a play on Walter and Dr. Waters
[08:29:50] <Begas_VBox> humdinger ... it could always be set in the recipe then as DOCDIR=$docDir :)
[08:30:10] <humdinger> Duggan the Obfuscator
[08:30:26] <Duggan> hehehe
[08:30:27] <humdinger> Begas_VBox: that sounds to be the right way to do it
[08:31:10] <Begas_VBox> yeah, but the original makefile doesn't provide the docir, so I need to tell it to use it
[08:31:53] <Duggan> well, if anybody wants to play with it, let me know... otherwise I think I'll move on to other things for now... also, be warned, it's messy (the original code is quite a few years old)
[08:32:13] <johnny_b> heh
[08:32:20] <humdinger> Begas_VBox: miqlas is probably still lying under some bar stool... :)
[08:33:25] <Duggan> back to the HDA driver...
[08:33:25] <humdinger> Duggan the Aborter... when will you release a finished app?
[08:33:28] <Begas_VBox> tss :P
[08:33:43] <Begas_VBox> and me off to dogschool in a bit ;)
[08:33:48] <johnny_b> humdinger: 8DDD
[08:33:52] <Duggan> humdinger the profiler is a tool... and it's already "finished"... as in it works... there's always new features that can be added
[08:34:12] <Duggan> oh, and I released PIT like 10 years ago :P
[08:34:50] <humdinger> Duggan: give us recipes and we'll put it in the HaikuDepot
[08:34:54] <johnny_b> that's ages
[08:35:47] <Duggan> humdinger can't do it that way, it's not a library... though it could be made one *maybe*... it has to be built into the program.... and I've no intentions of spending my time working on learning recipes right now :P
[08:36:12] <Duggan> johnny_b well he sounded like he thought it never happend :P
[08:36:59] <bbjimmy> http://fatelk.com/repo/packages/helpviewer-1.5.0.0-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg new version lots of improvements. http://yab.orgfree.com/images/makehelp.png
[08:37:02] <humdinger> Duggan: I suggest posting a quick blurb on your profiler and where to find it to the dev-list.
[08:37:24] <humdinger> there's still the possibility that you produced something useful to others...
[08:37:33] <Duggan> humdinger that was my plan :)
[08:37:41] <humdinger> goody!
[08:37:50] <Duggan> I guess I need to put it up on my github account... the email is a good idea though
[08:38:44] <humdinger> yes. if you let people know what you would like to have a recipe for, someone may just create it.
[08:42:50] <Duggan> hmmm... what license...
[08:43:08] <Duggan> I'm actually kind of inclined to go with a BSD license this time...
[08:43:42] <humdinger> Duggan: I expected you to craft your own...
[08:43:51] <humdinger> something exceedingly weird...
[08:43:57] <Duggan> I have one, but it would piss the world off if I released usable code under it
[08:44:26] <humdinger> "You may look, but not use! neneneneneee..."
[08:45:39] <Begas_VBox> 0-
[08:46:33] <Duggan> I need a better name I think.... something that exceedingly rails on GNU...
[08:46:47] <Duggan> but that's the one that stuck in my head, so here it is: http://sprunge.us/jRgR
[08:47:15] <Duggan> I still need to go over it to ensure it's legally-bindingness
[08:48:49] <Duggan> it's effectively "if you use any part of this ever in a GPLed project, I own you; otherwise do what you want"
[08:50:01] <Duggan> humdinger is that "exceedingly weird" enough for you? :D
[08:50:28] <PulkoMandy> well… I wouldn't do that :>
[08:50:44] <humdinger> Could do with some more details on the punishments...
[08:50:51] <Duggan> PulkoMandy you would probably never use my code anyway, much less in a GPLed project :P
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[08:51:17] <Duggan> humdinger well, I was going to add a "prependix" to explain the intent, since it's what the cool kids do
[08:51:23] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: I do work on some GPL code. Not my choice, but that's how things are here
[08:51:39] <humdinger> may I suggest some creative ascii art?
[08:51:52] <Duggan> that's certainly an option...
[08:52:30] <PulkoMandy> and as much as I dislike the GPL for being complex, full of corner cases, etc, and encouraging "any later version" to be allowed when you use it, making another license with similar drawbacks to counter it does not sound like the best way to go :)
[08:53:07] <geist> yeah that sort of stuff is kryponite to lawyers
[08:53:14] <geist> any funny business and they wont get near it
[08:53:22] <PulkoMandy> I would go with http://www.wtfpl.net/ , can't get clearer than that
[08:53:36] <geist> might not be legally kosher though
[08:54:14] <Duggan> but I'd get free rights/patents/trademarks though :D imagine the shitstorm if a piece of my code written with that license made it into the linux source XD
[08:54:37] <geist> yeah but there are other projects out there in the world but linux
[08:54:51] <geist> do something funny with your license and you're pretty much making sure it wont be used anywhere
[08:55:24] <PulkoMandy> and also: are you going to actually enforce it? Are you ready to attack the Linux fundation and demand justice?
[08:55:30] <Duggan> that's fine :) as with any other license, people have the right to take it or leave it... at least it's open source :D
[08:56:05] <geist> depends on what the purpose is. if you truly want to give to the world your code, then you want to license it with a known good and tested license
[08:56:10] <Duggan> 1: I was asked if I had my own license so I responded appropriately.. 2: I didn't say I intended to use it... yet.... 3: enforce it? absolutely :D
[08:56:13] <geist> MIT, apache, creative commons, etc
[08:56:18] <jessicah> Duggan: sounds like some of Microsoft's earlier licenses
[08:56:25] <jessicah> they had some oddball licenses
[08:56:37] <geist> yah which means anyone halfway serious wont touch it
[08:57:39] <Duggan> I like the spirit of it... truly enforcing freedom :D lol... open source and can be used in closed source projects but can never be socialized
[08:59:03] <Duggan> anyway... I never said I intended on using it.... yet...
[08:59:16] <Duggan> I have other projects I'm working on that I do intend on using it with though
[08:59:18] <Begas_VBox> off ... bbl
[08:59:23] <Duggan> besides that... profiler :P
[08:59:25] <Duggan> later Begas_VBox
[08:59:43] * PulkoMandy doesn't like the idea of enforced freedom :>
[08:59:50] <PulkoMandy> also, http://www.wtfpl.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/wtfpl-strip.jpg
[09:01:28] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: lulz
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