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[07:15:48] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: sorry, I went to sleep yesterday. So, in gcc2 it would be -lstdc++.r4 I think
[07:15:58] <PulkoMandy> the laternative is using g++ instead of ld to link the executable
[07:16:04] <PulkoMandy> (g++ knows how to add the right thing here)
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[07:54:05] <korli> hi
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[07:56:58] <jessicah> hello korli :)
[07:57:44] <korli> jessicah: time for rust? :)
[07:57:55] <jessicah> hmm?
[07:59:14] <jessicah> I've been working on it, yes
[07:59:30] <jessicah> there's a spotify client written in rust
[07:59:42] <jessicah> that I'd like to be able to use on haiku :)
[08:00:13] <korli> nice, it probably needs a few dependencies with OS support
[08:01:24] <korli> or it uses existing libraries like libSDL?
[08:01:25] <jessicah> yes, current blocker is the nix module
[08:01:36] <jessicah> oh, I think it's command line only
[08:02:11] <korli> ah ok
[08:02:57] <jessicah> I mostly use spotify on my desktop as remote control
[08:03:14] <jessicah> uses spotify connect to my stereo in my lounge
[08:04:03] <jessicah> it shouldn't be too hard to add a backend for playing audio natively on Haiku either
[08:04:06] <korli> ok it doesn't stream
[08:04:16] <jessicah> no it has a couple audio backends too
[08:04:41] <jessicah> https://github.com/plietar/librespot
[08:05:25] <korli> hmm portaudio
[08:06:53] <jessicah> it can be disabled
[08:07:16] <jessicah> and should be relatively straightforward to build a Haiku backend, just like playfile or such does
[08:09:16] <jessicah> anyway, nix is a safe wrapper around rust's libc module
[08:09:30] <jessicah> and the libc module is missing a lot of things for Haiku still
[08:09:40] <korli> I see it has a Pipe backend, it would be nice when playfile would also work with stdin
[08:10:36] <jessicah> ah that would be an interesting way to do it
[08:11:17] <jessicah> I should be able to do a package for rust soon
[08:11:22] <korli> jessicah: be thankful that libc module works in haiku x64, it was a damn work to check every struct size vs the haiku one :)
[08:11:29] <jessicah> already got some of my patches upstreamed
[08:11:40] <jessicah> korli: haha, yeah
[08:11:46] <jessicah> it's why I haven't tackled the rest of libc
[08:11:49] <jessicah> yet
[08:12:09] <jessicah> there's a whole bunch under the notbsd|bsdlike subfolders that we need to implement too
[08:12:37] <korli> do you plan to add a recipe in haikuports.cross?
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[08:13:15] <korli> in case we break compatibility on x86_64, that would help to bootstrap again
[08:13:22] <jessicah> hmm, yes, I can do that too
[08:13:28] <jessicah> I've never used haikuports.cross before
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[08:13:54] <jessicah> also, when they figure out what to do about the CI, they'll need to be able to cross-compile to haiku
[08:14:25] <jessicah> I've already made a bunch of notes so I don't forget though :)
[08:14:48] <jessicah> https://jessicah.github.io/ & https://jessicah.github.io/building-rust
[08:15:41] <korli> jessicah: with haikuports.cross you can use haikuporter with a crosstools sysroot, aka what you did manually :)
[08:16:08] <jessicah> ah okay
[08:16:28] <jessicah> is it actually documented anywhere?
[08:16:51] <korli> not that I know
[08:17:10] <jessicah> if we're going to be able to support cross-compiling rust into future, I'll have to get some more stuff upstreamed...
[08:17:40] <korli> there is already a recipe for gnu_classpath_bootstrap there
[08:17:40] <jessicah> libgit2-sys, libssh2-sys, and I think libopenssl-sys need some massaging to work with cross-compiling
[08:19:16] <korli> well when possible avoids all unneeded dependencies
[08:20:24] <jessicah> well, I just used the extracted packages in the sysroot
[08:20:34] <jessicah> it's just teaching their build scripts to use those libs to link against
[08:20:53] <jessicah> rather than building their own copies
[08:21:24] <jessicah> like libgit2 built its own copy of libgit2.a which then caused an assertion failure at process exit :p
[08:21:32] <jessicah> so had to teach it to use haiku's shared lib
[08:22:14] <korli> a pity they don't use tarballs
[08:22:23] <jessicah> hmm?
[08:22:56] <korli> the need for libgit2 is to checkout sources instead of using source archives?
[08:23:23] <jessicah> yes, I think that's a cargo dependency, rather than rustc itself
[08:23:29] <OmniMancer> libgit2 is for cargo to do git things
[08:23:43] <OmniMancer> one of them is to clone the index repo
[08:23:46] <jessicah> but we'd want to cross-build cargo as well
[08:24:02] <jessicah> because you can't compile rust without cargo
[08:24:13] <jessicah> so if ever need to bootstrap rust again, need to bootstrap cargo too
[08:24:33] <korli> you mean a host cargo can't be used?
[08:25:08] <jessicah> cargo tends to move in lock-step with rustc
[08:25:22] <jessicah> you can use a host cargo to cross-build rustc
[08:25:30] <jessicah> but once you're on haiku, you need cargo to build rustc
[08:25:43] <korli> ok
[08:25:46] <jessicah> so you need to use cross-built rustc to cross-compile cargo before you can build on haiku
[08:26:16] <korli> should be hard to describe in recipes
[08:26:27] <jessicah> cross-compiling cargo was a freaking nightmare
[08:27:06] <jessicah> that was much worse than rustc :p
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[08:40:34] <korli> jessicah: you target x86_64?
[08:40:48] <jessicah> yes
[08:40:57] <jessicah> I haven't bothered with x86
[08:41:24] <jessicah> I guess the haikuports.cross will be an opportunity to test it out for x86 :)
[08:41:28] <korli> x86_64 is also more stable I guess
[08:44:02] <jessicah> well I only use uefi boot these days on hardware
[08:44:06] <korli> I'd been trying to include python3 in the libxml2 recipe, looks more difficult than expected
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[08:48:59] <jessicah> heh, I hate python so much
[08:49:21] <jessicah> dynamic typing puts me off
[08:49:42] <jessicah> and then there's the headache that is unicode with python
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[08:51:02] <korli> jessicah: well it builds with gcc, no cross build needed
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[08:51:26] <jessicah> :)
[08:51:34] <jessicah> still, I'd rather use ocaml :p
[08:51:40] <jessicah> that's even easier to port
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[08:51:55] <jessicah> hell, my hobby kernel project was ocaml on the bare metal :)
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[08:52:42] <korli> well I'm still wondering if rust is just a trend
[08:54:23] <jessicah> I wouldn't use rust instead of C++
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[08:54:34] <jessicah> but if had to write crap in C, I think rust might be a nice alternative
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[08:54:41] <jessicah> C is terrible
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[08:55:54] <korli> I wish they would stop releasing something every 2 months
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[08:57:21] <jessicah> yeah, the release cycle is a bit crazy
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[08:58:05] <jessicah> I think they expect everyone to use rustup
[08:58:16] <jessicah> and not rely on system package managers
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[08:58:22] <OmniMancer> every 6 weeks
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[10:22:25] <korli> jessicah: I see you changed to "has_rpath: false", does it tell not to use rpath, or that haiku doesn't have rpath?
[10:22:45] <jessicah> tells not to use rpath
[10:23:31] <jessicah> when enable rpath, they usually embed as $ORIGIN/../lib
[10:23:36] <jessicah> and that won't work on hybrid builds
[10:24:48] <korli> interessant, seems AlexCrichton runs Haiku
[10:24:58] <jessicah> he does?
[10:25:02] <jessicah> how can you tell?
[10:25:39] <korli> a comment on another PR: https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/39770
[10:26:31] <jessicah> haha :)
[10:27:09] <korli> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/39770#discussion_r105265957 to be specific
[10:27:19] <jessicah> yeah I saw
[10:31:39] <jessicah> korli: do you want a copy of rust tarball to play with?
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[10:53:11] <korli> jessicah: does it include cargo? I could give it a try
[10:53:18] <jessicah> yup
[10:53:34] <jessicah> https://haiku.jessicah.org/packages/
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[11:03:30] <korli> jessicah: 3 files, cargo, rustc, rust-std?
[11:07:15] <jessicah> yup
[11:08:26] <korli> can it act as stage0 compiler?
[11:10:20] <jessicah> yes
[11:11:10] <jessicah> just put path to rustc and cargo in config.toml
[11:11:39] <jessicah> see the example in src/bootstrap
[11:13:46] <korli> I'll check when I have more time :)
[11:16:48] <jessicah> cool :)
[11:17:08] <jessicah> heading to bed here, goodnight :)
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