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[00:00:02] <tojoko> goot night
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[00:13:00] <Vidrep> Barrett, that Radio app makes good use of the streaming and downloads icons etc as well
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[00:13:46] <Vidrep> It's a little crashy sometimes, and some features are experimental, but it's a good start to a nice app
[00:14:27] <Barrett> it would have been much better to improve MP
[00:14:32] <Barrett> but well, better than nothing
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[00:18:40] <Vidrep> Here's a link to a screenshot: https://ibin.co/3G2A09npCvuA.png
[00:20:14] <Vidrep> Barrett, MP enhancements welcome :)
[00:22:17] <Barrett> seems like Caya GUI stuff
[00:22:54] <Barrett> as said, I don't plan to do any major or mainstream work on Haiku
[00:23:39] <Barrett> hardly on MP : p
[00:24:42] <Barrett> I plan to introduce an advanced playfile replacement
[00:24:50] <Barrett> something which we really need
[00:24:56] <Barrett> able to play/capture/convert
[00:25:04] <Barrett> and useful to test Haiku properly.
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[00:26:34] <Vidrep> Sounds good
[00:26:46] <Vidrep> Gotta go for dinner
[00:26:57] <Vidrep> Later Barrett
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[00:42:36] <mmu_man> https://twitter.com/sjvn/status/850041380265238528
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[00:43:38] <Barrett> cool
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[08:10:00] <korli> hi
[08:11:52] <jessicah> hi korli
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[08:14:52] <humdinger> hello everyone
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[08:26:39] <tojoko> hello everybody
[08:27:17] <humdinger> hullo
[08:28:21] <Duggan> hi all
[08:30:33] <humdinger> Duggan the Incredible!
[08:31:02] <Duggan> indeed
[08:33:29] <johnny_b> Duggan the Original!
[08:33:38] <johnny_b> aka Master Parser 8p
[08:38:12] <humdinger> aka the Werther's Original
[08:38:26] <humdinger> because he's so sweet
[08:38:35] <johnny_b> lol
[08:38:42] <humdinger> and old
[08:40:52] <Not-233d> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/9b7d37fabaf1...cce2430b6fed
[08:40:53] <Not-233d> [haiku/website] diversys cce2430 - Fix link
[08:52:00] <korli> humdinger: 3rd party apps to translate seems great
[08:52:47] <humdinger> I hope so. Still needs the people to actually do the translations... :)
[08:53:12] <humdinger> I also hope there are still active language managers to validate the suggestions.
[08:53:41] <humdinger> or people stepping up to do that. those have to be trustable folks though, of course.
[08:54:05] <humdinger> as language managers share permissions with all projects, i.e. also "Haiku (core)"
[08:57:43] <korli> humdinger: the translations have to be exported per app and committed upstream?
[08:58:31] <humdinger> yes. that is, you can export also all apps, all languages, just one language etc.
[08:58:54] <humdinger> best case scenario is that the devs/maintainers of the apps download their catkeys and take it from there.
[08:59:02] <korli> I mean, it's not automated like the translations for Haiku core
[08:59:25] <humdinger> no. no automation. yet.
[08:59:34] <humdinger> we'd need admin capacity for that...
[08:59:55] <korli> if the english catkeys gets updated, it's not updated in pootle also
[08:59:59] <humdinger> more annoying is the manual procedure to add or update catkeys...
[09:00:36] <humdinger> nope. all manual, see https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/i18n/PootleSetup
[09:01:06] <humdinger> I'll be doing the adding of new apps and updating en.catkeys.
[09:01:31] <humdinger> It's managable as long as there are only few apps around.
[09:01:46] <humdinger> if that changes we'll have to think of automation.
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[09:03:09] <korli> might be a good idea to attach the actual git commit from where you got the en.catkeys, to be able to tell if it needs an update
[09:04:11] <humdinger> yes. hmm... no sure where to add that info.
[09:04:55] <humdinger> maybe I abuse the "Description" of the apps' page at pootle.
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[09:30:32] <Duggan> werther's is ok, I much prefer riesen myself...
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[09:31:53] <humdinger> Germany's cunning plan to fatten up the americans
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[09:56:48] <Duggan> humdinger it's working quite well
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[09:57:31] <humdinger> personal experience?
[09:57:37] <humdinger> Duggan the Lardass
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[10:05:22] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-2/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d78c3a415c7...b3229fb50091
[10:05:23] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 2a0e7b5 - protobuf: defineDebugInfoPackage
[10:05:25] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys b3229fb - mosh: bump version
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[10:15:52] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b3229fb50091...1d365a797536
[10:15:54] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 1d365a7 - protobuf: add recipe for version 3.2.0
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[10:24:49] <Duggan> I spent all of 10 minutes writing a program to calculate self-describing numbers in various bases only to find out that after base 7, they are regularly constructed :/
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[10:27:04] <jessicah> hmm, I should figure out how to create a uefi image with jam...
[10:28:49] <Duggan> hi jessicah
[10:29:02] <jessicah> hello Duggan :)
[10:29:06] <Duggan> :)
[10:29:28] <Duggan> how are you doing?
[10:31:01] <jessicah> a bit depressed, a bit broke
[10:32:01] <Duggan> me too :/
[10:32:38] <johnny_b> Duggan: when in doubt write a parser 8)
[10:33:09] <Duggan> johnny_b been contemplating it :P
[10:35:08] <Duggan> too many other things to do though
[10:35:28] <jessicah> hmm, e1000 driver is failing to link
[10:35:39] <Duggan> johnny_b I'll dedicate my COBOL parser to you... once I write it...
[10:37:14] <Duggan> and I mean COBOL-74... not the COBOL.NET I plan on imlementing once the CLR is ported :P
[10:39:00] <johnny_b> Duggan: sry, i'm not interested in COBOL ... maybe forth ;)
[10:40:01] <Duggan> too late
[10:40:41] <jessicah> oh, functions got inlined, and jam didn't rebuild
[10:47:26] <diver> http://haiku.kacperkasper.pl/libreoffice.png interesting, looks like the very first LibreOffice screenshot
[10:48:41] <korli> diver: on x86?
[10:49:01] <diver> I think it's on x86_64
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[10:53:06] <diver> hopefully some student (from LO's GSoC) will work on it https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas#KDE5:_port_KDE4_plugin_to_KF5
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[13:41:57] <jessicah> clang-format is just a little too restrictive for Haiku's coding style :(
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[14:06:42] <krbtgt|_> {
[14:06:54] <krbtgt|_> // this is the best indent style!
[14:06:57] <krbtgt|_> }
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[14:13:56] <jessicah> AlignAfterOpenBracket: DontAlign seems entirely broken
[14:14:22] <jessicah> it breaks immediately after the bracket, which isn't what documentation says >_<
[14:14:38] <jessicah> and it loves to delete all our extra whitespace between functions
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[14:21:15] <miqlas-H64> hi
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[14:25:58] <johnny_b> lo
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[15:15:26] <stargater> krbtgt|_: have you see gofmt, this are a good style, it is the same for all.
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[18:22:40] <AlienSoldier> just noticed this is in vice 1.3 now
[18:22:42] <AlienSoldier> ** BeOS/Haiku changes
[18:22:43] <AlienSoldier> ---------------------
[18:22:43] <AlienSoldier>
[18:22:44] <AlienSoldier> - New drag & drop support: dragging a file from Tracker into the window
[18:22:45] <AlienSoldier> now autostarts it, and dragging text into the window pastes it.
[18:23:27] <PulkoMandy> do we have a recipe yet?
[18:27:18] <AlienSoldier> don't know
[18:27:41] <AlienSoldier> another game "remaster" where the original look cooler https://youtu.be/GTlZ97NkaCA
[18:27:52] <AlienSoldier> (GODS, for those that wonder)
[18:30:32] <Barrett> abe's exoddus :-D
[18:30:34] <Barrett> the remaster is cool
[18:31:03] <Barrett> what a funny game
[18:31:27] <AlienSoldier> some are cool, wonder boy the dragon trap is a very good exemple of a good remaster
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[18:32:45] <Barrett> I remember some of the erlier wonderboy
[18:32:51] <Barrett> in monster land I think
[18:35:02] <AlienSoldier> those game were good, dragon trap especially good, so is the one with a girl
[18:35:56] <AlienSoldier> There is a new one made called Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom that look awsome (also made by a dream team)
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[18:37:14] <AlienSoldier> the first monster world is better on master system and on PC engine than the original arcade and amiga version as those where not full screen.
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[20:12:29] <miqlas-H64> it seems privoxy works correctly on haiku, but somehow webpositive doesn't use the proxy settings. IDK why.
[20:12:49] <PulkoMandy> because I never implemented that
[20:12:56] <miqlas-H64> links can open http://p.p just fine
[20:13:16] <PulkoMandy> it doesn't work magically, everything doing http must know about it
[20:13:26] <PulkoMandy> most Linux stuff will probably use curl, and that will work
[20:13:36] <PulkoMandy> but things using our native HTTP code, not quite working yet
[20:13:47] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: maybe you could notify the users in the settings window
[20:15:10] <miqlas-H64> i just restarted WP plenty times to check it. now i'm informed :)
[20:15:33] <PulkoMandy> if you configure it there it should work at least somewhat
[20:15:49] <PulkoMandy> check use a proxy, enter localhost as an address, and the port
[20:15:54] <PulkoMandy> and see if that does something
[20:15:57] <PulkoMandy> if not, then it's a bug
[20:16:08] <PulkoMandy> if it works but only for http and not https, then it's a known missing code
[20:25:14] <miqlas-H64> i did that, but i cannot open http://p.p (the privoxy admin interface) in WP.
[20:25:21] <miqlas-H64> maybe i made something wrong.
[20:25:36] <miqlas-H64> But opecv compiles just fine on Haiku x86_64.
[20:25:38] <PulkoMandy> maybe *i* made something wrong :)
[20:25:50] <miqlas-H64> and packages just fine too.
[20:26:15] <PulkoMandy> "p.p" looks strange, how does that work as a domain? maybe there is some special trick needed for that
[20:27:24] <PulkoMandy> http://config.privoxy.org may work better?
[20:27:31] <PulkoMandy> (source: https://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/configuration.html)
[20:28:26] <Barrett> PulkoMandy, why we didn't choose to go with curl as backend?
[20:28:40] <Barrett> well, I guess it's not enough for a browser.
[20:30:28] <PulkoMandy> we used to do that, there is code for it in WebKit, but it had performance problems when there were more than a few hundred cookies
[20:31:02] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: I think we only implement a simple http proxy, and privoxy is a socks proxy, so it needs a little more work on our side
[20:31:27] <PulkoMandy> Barrett; and also probably the same reasons we are not using X11, Linux kernel, etc
[20:32:10] <Barrett> yeah sort of naive question
[20:32:51] <Barrett> I'd love to look into some networking issue once I get free with other things
[20:33:00] <PulkoMandy> not really my decision here, I could have gone with fixing curl problems. But I think the native HTTP API is quite nice and easy to use
[20:33:18] <PulkoMandy> the implementation needs a restructuration to not run each request as a separate thread however
[20:33:35] <Barrett> yeah I remember that issue beign a pain for the http_streamer
[20:34:11] <Barrett> there's some BMessage based one, but I didn't manage it to make something useful
[20:35:04] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: http://config.privoxy.org says: Privoxy is not being used
[20:35:21] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: yes, that confirms it, we need to implement socks proxy and not http one
[20:35:36] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: I guess the http streamer isn't a BHandler/BLooper itself?
[20:35:57] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: if it is about the license, we could use minix :D
[20:36:43] <Barrett> the streamer itself is not
[20:36:50] <Barrett> it's just a plugin
[20:36:57] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: how to get OpenCL on Haiku? Do you have any info about OpenCL?
[20:37:09] <Barrett> the network_kit I think spawn a blooper-derived class
[20:37:20] <Barrett> at the begin I tried to use the messaging one over the callback based one
[20:37:26] <Barrett> but didn't work
[20:37:36] <miqlas-H64> i get this all the time: "/usr/local/cuda/lib64/libcudart.so.*: No such file or directory"
[20:37:51] <Barrett> I guess moving to a BMessage-model would be the way to go for web+ threading issues
[20:38:55] <miqlas-H64> h, sorry, i meant CUDA. Is it technically possible on Haiku?
[20:39:08] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, I wouldn't give a try
[20:39:13] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: I think there are not much threading issues left now in Web+ (except in the websocket code but that's yet another thing)
[20:39:16] <miqlas-H64> why not?
[20:39:25] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, it surely needs special driver support
[20:39:41] <PulkoMandy> but it was a mess to get right, because Web+ loves to delete requests while they are running
[20:39:45] <Barrett> sort of hidden secrets in the nvidia basement protected by jedi warriors
[20:40:01] <miqlas-H64> Barrett: it is just a program, wht could go wrong OHSHIIIIII
[20:40:07] <Barrett> PulkoMandy, I mean the issue that makes it to load a thread at each request
[20:40:27] <hamishm> I was interested in doing an asynchronous networking API
[20:40:31] <PulkoMandy> well, that's not really an issue, just possibly not the best design
[20:40:37] <Barrett> we could just have a fixed set of BLooper that receives the data
[20:40:37] <hamishm> run everything through one central event loop
[20:40:47] <Barrett> or something like that
[20:40:57] <hamishm> but hard to come up with the ideal API for it
[20:41:18] <Barrett> hamishm, but then you'd need to dispatch the data, where the BMessage listener might come handy
[20:41:21] <PulkoMandy> hamishm: yes, wanted to do that (with a RequestPool doing poll() and then dispatching the events to the BUrlRequests I think)
[20:41:31] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: yes, that part wouldn't change
[20:41:34] <miqlas-H64> if i now correctly, OpenCL can use the CPU too, and they are really generic (AFAIK)
[20:41:46] <PulkoMandy> the main difference would be mostly internal to BUrlRequest and subclasses
[20:41:46] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, OpenCL is a different thing
[20:42:12] <PulkoMandy> I would even keep the existing Run() method, either spawning its own thread, or using a default request pool
[20:42:14] <miqlas-H64> I made the same mistake again, i meant CUDA.
[20:42:41] <miqlas-H64> CUDA can work with CPU too.
[20:42:44] <miqlas-H64> AFAIK
[20:42:49] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, you can give a try
[20:43:01] <Barrett> but I'm pretty sure there will be something very hard preventing us to use it
[20:43:11] <miqlas-H64> the question is, how to get cuda on haiku?
[20:43:20] <miqlas-H64> is it actually open sourced?
[20:43:27] <hamishm> I had a go at writing an api along those lines a year or two ago: https://github.com/hamishm/haiku/tree/eventqueue
[20:44:05] <hamishm> hard to come up with the perfect API though. I think I ended up having to allocate for every asynchronous operation
[20:44:13] <hamishm> to hold the continuation
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[20:44:20] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, the nvidia firmware allow some special communication which is supported through the official driver
[20:44:23] <miqlas-H64> hamishm: was you the one who worked on rust?
[20:44:53] <Barrett> hamishm, seems something like the media_kit stuff
[20:45:13] <hamishm> nah I didn't work on Rust
[20:45:21] <miqlas-H64> Barrett: NVDA is a big bunch of capitalists, do not expect anything from they.
[20:45:26] <PulkoMandy> hamishm: by the way, what are your plans for the summer? Interested in mentoring one of our GSoC students? :o)
[20:45:39] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, sure, I don't expect anything generally from companies.
[20:45:47] <hamishm> interestingly Rust has a zero-allocation async networking API (or so they claim)
[20:45:53] <hamishm> couldn't figure out how they do it from the code though
[20:46:12] <hamishm> PulkoMandy: my plans for the summer mostly involve working :)
[20:46:32] <miqlas-H64> hamishm: maybe you can dive a bit deeper if you port it to haiku....
[20:46:34] <miqlas-H64> :D
[20:46:43] <hamishm> happy to help out on irc / the mailing list though
[20:47:02] <hamishm> well rust should be pretty portable
[20:47:07] <hamishm> it runs almost everywhere right?
[20:47:33] <miqlas-H64> it needs to be bootstrapped, AFAIK.
[20:47:43] <PulkoMandy> didn't kallisti5 already upstream most of the needed patches?
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[20:48:01] <PulkoMandy> there was http://rust-on-haiku.com/ and then I think he upstreamed the work
[20:48:31] <miqlas-H64> i ust invested some hours into it, but it requires platform specific code, and all what i can is to add #ifdef __HAIKU__ do things #endif
[20:48:55] <hamishm> oh yeah, wasn't it a gsoc project last year, or the year before?
[20:49:01] <hamishm> or am I thinking of another language
[20:49:10] <PulkoMandy> there was one for Go
[20:49:21] <PulkoMandy> and that was at least 2 years ago as we didn't get into GSoC 2015 and 2016
[20:49:56] <miqlas-H64> but my big headache is racket, a scheme like language, it bootstraps ust fine, but then it crashes, i have no idea, why. The racket guys tried to help me, but no success.
[20:50:10] <PulkoMandy> student did rather good work, but wasted a lot of time because of not asking for help from the mentors
[20:50:33] <PulkoMandy> we warned him about that at the midterm and failed him at the final evaluation, despite having a working Go port
[20:50:37] <PulkoMandy> (not my decision)
[20:51:07] <Barrett> some time ago I looked at some projects, very questionable decisions.
[20:51:11] <PulkoMandy> and of course after that he never worked on the port anymore, and now code.google.com is offline and our port is trying to download some dependencies from there
[20:51:39] <Barrett> like the DVD project, I looked at it to look if I could reuse something
[20:51:49] <Barrett> mostly copy-paste of code.
[20:51:57] <PulkoMandy> that one is a bit special
[20:52:21] <PulkoMandy> the student planned to work on it as an internship, and a teacher at his school told him it was not a problem
[20:52:41] <hamishm> ah yeah it was Go
[20:52:46] <PulkoMandy> but at the last moment it turned out it wasn't acceptable as an internship, and he tried to do it while working full-time in a real company
[20:52:51] <PulkoMandy> of course that didn't go so wemm
[20:52:53] <PulkoMandy> well*
[20:52:57] <Barrett> yeah I remember
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[20:53:16] <miqlas-H64> My battery is almost empty, so i have to say goodbye now, before it is too late
[20:53:26] <hamishm> remember the good old days of openjdk and the x86-64 port :D
[20:53:34] <hamishm> and Pawel's thing
[20:53:40] <Barrett> but that don't justify anyway it as a successful final project ;)
[20:54:31] <PulkoMandy> hamishm: there are some promising applications this year, we will see how it turns out
[20:54:47] <PulkoMandy> I think it is the first time our limiting factor is the number of mentors, not the number of good students
[20:55:09] <miqlas-H64> PulkoMandy: i hope somebody will do the gcc2-x86_64 stuff
[20:55:09] <PulkoMandy> (or the number of slots Google allocates us, but we'll know about that a bit later)
[20:55:30] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: no proposal for that, unfortunately
[20:55:48] <miqlas-H64> But it should be x86_64-32, not other way. I just hate the secondary arch folders.
[20:56:03] <Barrett> miqlas-H64, yes, that'd be very important
[20:56:20] <hamishm> yeah there are a good few this year. the DRM port looks particularly interesting
[20:56:33] <miqlas-H64> I don't really care about gcc2, and my stuff doesn't compiles on gcc2 anymore, so from my viewpoint it would be better to have gcc5 as primary arch, and gcc2 as secondary.
[20:56:33] <hamishm> they are quite keen on their file systems though :)
[20:56:37] <jua_> naming it "x86_64" is regretful anyway IMO, amd64 or even x64 would have been nicer
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[20:57:27] <PulkoMandy> jua_: that's something we can change, I think?
[20:57:36] <PulkoMandy> (maybe at the same time we make time_t 64bit for it?)
[20:57:52] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: at this point I say we leave x86_64 as x86_64
[20:58:07] <jua_> we could, but I expect opposition :P
[20:58:07] <miqlas-H64> jua_: i know it is from AMD, but as it an extension for x86, the official name is x86_64 in plenty projects, so i use this name for that thing.
[20:58:10] <PulkoMandy> well ok, let's wait for x128 :>
[20:58:11] <jua_> yes, that, exactly xD
[20:58:48] <PulkoMandy> wondering if our Aarch64 port should be called that, or if we should follow Linux way and call it arm64
[20:59:05] <Begasus> miqlas-H64, ! glad to see you still around :)
[20:59:13] <jua_> although arm64 sounds nicer, IMO we should use aarch64 because it's the real name of it
[20:59:29] <Begasus> evening peeps btw :)
[20:59:44] <jua_> hey Begasus
[20:59:57] <Begasus> Hey jua
[21:00:52] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: I say linux way, everyone seems to be going with that at this point
[21:01:14] <waddlesplash> it follows the convention of just adding "_64" or "64" to arch name :p
[21:01:37] <waddlesplash> x86_64, arm64, ppc64, mips64 ...
[21:02:01] <PulkoMandy> none of which matches the manufacturer chosen names
[21:02:08] <PulkoMandy> but, whatever :>
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[21:02:32] <jua_> waddlesplash, "everyone does it" is not a good reason alone though ;)
[21:02:34] <PulkoMandy> it's not like anyone is working on aarch64 anyway…
[21:02:48] <waddlesplash> jua_: how about "aarch64 is a stupid name"?
[21:03:11] <jua_> waddlesplash, stupid it or not, it's the actual name of what it is
[21:03:29] <waddlesplash> yeah so? still stupid :-p
[21:03:37] <jua_> ppc64 is ok though, at least I'm not aware of a different/official naming for it..
[21:03:49] <PulkoMandy> g5 ?
[21:03:54] <waddlesplash> just because Marketing(TM) decided that they're calling it aarch64 does not mean we have to
[21:03:58] <Barrett> PulkoMandy, I think we could begin removing some symbols from media_kit gcc4 too
[21:04:07] <Barrett> but this will break all the apps
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[21:04:21] <jua_> waddlesplash, so if I write a driver for some piece of hardware and I don't like the name I should choose a random name for the driver which I like better? ;)
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[21:04:43] <waddlesplash> jua_: No, you should pick a name which is (a) easily recoginized and (b) not stupid, if possible
[21:04:52] <waddlesplash> And "arm64" is both clearly recognized and not stupid. :D
[21:05:16] <PulkoMandy> Barrett: not a problem, gcc5 ABI isn't stable yet
[21:05:38] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: and what if some chinese company comes up with its own instruction set and call it arm64?
[21:05:46] <PulkoMandy> because that is not a real name and is not trademarked, after all
[21:06:05] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: then Linus Torvalds will publically shame them into changing the name. >:D
[21:06:18] <jua_> also there's AArch32, which is the 32-bit compat mode of ARMv8
[21:06:39] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: I'm glad I don't have to work with that guy in any of my projects :>
[21:06:40] <waddlesplash> well that won't have it's own *files*
[21:06:52] <waddlesplash> lol
[21:07:19] <PulkoMandy> mh… seems buildmaster doesn't reply to ctrl+c after kallisit5's changes
[21:07:36] <PulkoMandy> it is stuck doing… I don't even know what, actually
[21:08:06] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, same as this morning, waiting on someone to answer a prompt on a non-interactive shell in one of the buildslaves
[21:08:08] <PulkoMandy> great
[21:08:13] <PulkoMandy> bugreport time…
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[21:12:07] <KapiX> is the fact that MediaPlayer can't play FLAC files anymore is a known issue?
[21:12:33] <PulkoMandy> works fine here, I think
[21:12:52] <KapiX> `pure virtual method called` is all I get
[21:13:29] <KapiX> I thought that this might be linked to MP3 issue vidrep reported, but I have just updated to latest hrev and still can't play FLAC
[21:14:00] <Barrett> KapiX, best is to create a ticket with debug report
[21:14:14] <KapiX> but it doesn't crash
[21:14:18] <Barrett> after checking it happens on a clean install maybe
[21:14:24] <KapiX> window just disappears
[21:14:24] <Barrett> the program exit?
[21:14:28] <KapiX> yes
[21:14:36] <Barrett> there should be something in terminal then
[21:14:40] <Barrett> launching from it
[21:14:56] <KapiX> yes, `pure virtual method called`
[21:15:30] <KapiX> also this is fairly fresh install
[21:16:19] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 3 commits to release [+3/-2/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e23d28cc1f93...9f104a02eab5
[21:16:21] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson af2c551 - libwebp: bump to 0.5.2, add TEST() with "make check".
[21:16:22] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 8ec07d0 - libwebp: bump revision to rebuild.
[21:16:24] <Not-233d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9f104a0 - libwebp: bump version.
[21:16:35] <PulkoMandy> yes that is expected
[21:16:35] <waddlesplash> "pure virtual call" should be a debugger() crash
[21:16:45] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: check you have ffmpeg installed
[21:16:56] <PulkoMandy> I think that's what happen when it isn't (yes, confusing)
[21:17:02] <KapiX> I do
[21:17:14] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: pure virtual call must call std::terminate per C++ spec, and that goes into abort()
[21:17:18] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: ^ and also now that there is documented procedure to cause debug_server to auto save report and don't show a dialog, maybe we can make abort() call debugger() too?
[21:17:20] <waddlesplash> ah right
[21:17:41] <KapiX> both ffmpeg2 and 3
[21:17:45] <PulkoMandy> we could try to add debugger() into abort(), I'm afraid that some apps use abort() in mh... "creative" ways
[21:18:00] <waddlesplash> well, try it and see if we get reports of "crashes"?
[21:18:04] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: ah, gcc5 install? didn't test that
[21:18:06] <KapiX> and there is a bug report https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13337
[21:18:11] <KapiX> x86_64
[21:18:17] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: patches welcome if you can find our implementation of abort() :)
[21:18:20] <KapiX> but on gcc5h it's broken too
[21:18:53] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/system/libroot/posix/stdlib/exit.cpp#287
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[21:19:17] <waddlesplash> I can just change the fprintf() to debugger()
[21:19:30] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: well I only tested gcc2 here
[21:19:46] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: yes, sounds fine
[21:19:51] <waddlesplash> ok great
[21:20:07] <waddlesplash> I'll do that a bit later
[21:20:20] <PulkoMandy> ah, wait, it's more tricky than that
[21:20:29] <PulkoMandy> "The abort() function shall cause abnormal process termination to occur, unless the signal SIGABRT is being caught and the signal handler does not return."
[21:20:52] <PulkoMandy> so better add debugger() after the raise()
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[21:21:45] <Vidrep> Hi
[21:21:54] <PulkoMandy> hi
[21:22:02] <KapiX> VLC won't give me sound, any other suggestions?
[21:22:17] <waddlesplash> ah rigth
[21:22:22] <waddlesplash> *right
[21:22:33] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: APlayer, cl-amp, or soundplay?
[21:22:40] <PulkoMandy> or good old playfile?
[21:22:48] <Vidrep> I saw the comment about FLAC filesnot playing. I tried playing some and they're working oK here
[21:22:52] <jua_> didn't he say x64?
[21:23:02] <KapiX> ok, playfile works
[21:23:13] <KapiX> not the best UX though I'd say
[21:23:16] <KapiX> yup, x64
[21:23:44] <PulkoMandy> ah yes that may be a problem
[21:23:59] <PulkoMandy> well, fix APlayer, at least for this one we have the source but it isn't 64bit safe yet :>
[21:24:08] <Vidrep> FLAC plays OK on x86_gcc2h, using ffmpeg version 3.2.4
[21:24:09] <waddlesplash> I can tackle that later
[21:24:28] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: if playfile works, then it is a problem in MediaPlayer, and I can't help much with that
[21:25:24] <KapiX> it's interesting that it works on gcc2
[21:25:24] <jua_> pure virtual calls are usually the result of a use-after-free, so in that case using libroot_debug might help with tracking it down
[21:26:09] <KapiX> meh, I just want some music while fixing deadlocks in LibreOffice ;)
[21:26:32] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, just asking if you saw the ticket about .MOV file playback (BeOS_BBC video)
[21:27:41] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: groovemp3.com in Web+ may work too :)
[21:27:48] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: no, not yet
[21:28:09] <PulkoMandy> I see diver has decided to clean up the ticket base however, lots of reassigning and closing very old tickets today
[21:28:47] <KapiX> PulkoMandy, nope, I clicked play and Web+ disappeared
[21:28:52] <KapiX> ;)
[21:29:24] <diver> I queried Genear component and decided to set components, closed a few outdated tickets while I was at it
[21:29:28] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12370
[21:29:31] <diver> *Genearl
[21:29:37] <KapiX> I guess I'll have to make my playlist in bash script
[21:29:41] <PulkoMandy> KapiX: interesting, strange that playfile manages to work then
[21:29:56] <Vidrep> It was originally assigned to Colin, who isn't so active these days
[21:30:42] <Vidrep> Anyway, all I wanted to know is if you were aware of the issue or not
[21:30:49] <PulkoMandy> yes, default owner for "codecs" I think
[21:30:53] <PulkoMandy> well, now I am
[21:31:11] <Vidrep> What else is new :)
[21:31:31] <jua_> could still be a bug with the ffmpeg addon and playfile just works coincidentally
[21:32:04] <Vidrep> KapiX, what platform are you playing FLAC files on? x86_64?
[21:32:09] <KapiX> yes
[21:32:30] <Vidrep> I could try, but have to switch to another PC
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[21:39:40] <PulkoMandy> our irker bot is still missing?
[21:40:53] * PulkoMandy creates a ticket…
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[21:44:36] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: bug fixed :D
[21:45:00] <Vidrep> KapiX, FLAC audio playing OK here on x86_64 hrev51073
[21:45:14] <Vidrep> I saw that. Wow fast!
[21:45:32] <PulkoMandy> I think sound and video get out of sync in that file?
[21:45:47] <PulkoMandy> also lots of apps in the video I never heard about
[21:45:58] <KapiX> vidrep with mediaplayer?
[21:46:03] <Vidrep> Yes
[21:46:27] <KapiX> interesting, I'm not the only one though https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13337
[21:46:32] <Vidrep> Maybe provide a copy of the FLAC you're trying to play
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[21:48:05] <Vidrep> Can you truncate the file and attach it to the ticket,keeping the size <5MB?
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[21:49:02] <KapiX> Vidrep, I'll try to find something on the net, any file I tried so far did not work so there is a high chance I can find one randomly on the net
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[21:49:23] <KapiX> ...if only Web+ stops crashing
[21:51:19] <Vidrep> MP# files are still crashing on x86_64
[21:51:22] <Vidrep> MP3
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[21:54:23] <KapiX> Vidrep https://archive.org/download/astronavemax/01%20%C3%88%20venerd%C3%AC.flac
[21:55:11] <Vidrep> My HP pC still does not shut down...
[21:55:54] <Vidrep> I wish I knew why, or how to get some useful data to solve that one
[21:56:06] <diver> Vidrep: could you backlist wacom driver?
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[21:56:47] <diver> I think some driver blocks shutdown to complete
[21:58:42] <Vidrep> On a desktop PC?
[21:59:15] <Vidrep> Anything is worth a try, I guess
[21:59:19] <diver> yes
[21:59:52] <Vidrep> Switching PC's again...
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[22:02:44] <Vidrep> KapiX, yup, that FLAC crashes MP nicely
[22:03:13] <KapiX> good
[22:03:23] <KapiX> kind of weird thing to say given the circumstances ;)
[22:03:53] <Vidrep> Some MP3 with crash MP too, some won't
[22:03:54] <PulkoMandy> reproductible bug is half solved ;)
[22:05:07] <Vidrep> ~> MediaPlayer /boot/home/test.flac
[22:05:07] <Vidrep> open playlist item: test.flac
[22:05:08] <Vidrep> pure virtual method called
[22:05:09] <Vidrep> terminate called without an active exception
[22:05:09] <Vidrep> Abort
[22:05:10] <Vidrep> Abort
[22:05:19] <Vidrep> Nice :)
[22:05:49] <Vidrep> Another one for Mr. Fix It
[22:06:46] <PulkoMandy> now set a breakpoint in abort() and save a debug report
[22:06:52] <PulkoMandy> time to sleep here :)
[22:07:17] <KapiX> holy shit
[22:07:18] <Vidrep> Good night
[22:07:29] <KapiX> LibreOffice Calc kind of renders ok
[22:07:32] <Begasus> g'night
[22:07:48] <KapiX> still long way to got but at least it doesn't deadlock anymore
[22:07:49] <KapiX> :)
[22:07:57] <KapiX> PulkoMandy good night
[22:10:40] <Begasus> nice one KapiX! one thing missing on Haiku for me atm :)
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[22:12:34] <diver> PulkoMandy: the apps in that video are https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6388599
[22:12:47] <diver> GroveMaker and personalStudio
[22:14:41] <diver> KapiX: screenshot or it didn't happen ;)
[22:14:47] <KapiX> in a moment
[22:15:02] <KapiX> uploading them from Haiku isn't particularly easy
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[22:16:56] <KapiX> diver http://haiku.kacperkasper.pl/calc.png
[22:17:13] <diver> oh, wow!!
[22:17:21] <diver> that's pretty cool
[22:17:24] <KapiX> yeah
[22:17:29] <diver> can you type anything?
[22:17:30] <jua_> looks almost usable ;)
[22:17:31] <KapiX> writer deadlocks still (I think)
[22:17:43] <KapiX> no, I didn't implement keyboard yet
[22:17:49] <KapiX> but clicking and changing active cell works
[22:17:55] <diver> awesome work!
[22:17:57] <KapiX> + there's second sheet I've added
[22:18:22] <KapiX> ok, I need to push this fast in case my computer catches fire
[22:18:23] <KapiX> :D
[22:18:30] <jua_> great job :]
[22:18:38] <KapiX> thanks :)
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[22:18:55] <waddlesplash> KapiX: YAY!
[22:19:08] <waddlesplash> the one major thing that everyone wants/needs will finally be solved :)
[22:19:09] <diver> KapiX: btw http://haiku.kacperkasper.pl/libreoffice.html NOTES section looks wonky :)
[22:19:24] <KapiX> well, you need to thank Pe ;)
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[22:19:34] <KapiX> I didn't care to correct it
[22:19:53] <KapiX> waddlesplash there's long way to go
[22:19:58] <waddlesplash> I can see
[22:20:03] <waddlesplash> missing icons, font errors
[22:20:04] <KapiX> but at least there are VISIBLE results
[22:20:09] <waddlesplash> right
[22:20:28] <KapiX> layouting engine will be major PITA, it's very complicated with their recent common layout work
[22:20:34] <KapiX> text layouting*
[22:21:57] <waddlesplash> wait they don't have a general handler for that
[22:22:04] <waddlesplash> using fontconfig+freetype?
[22:22:15] <KapiX> no
[22:22:20] <waddlesplash> wat
[22:22:24] <KapiX> general handler uses cairo AFAICT
[22:22:36] <KapiX> they use fontconfig and freetype too
[22:22:41] <waddlesplash> we have cairo?
[22:22:42] <KapiX> just not for rendering I think
[22:22:59] <waddlesplash> oh, so you enabled cairo renderer already?
[22:23:07] <KapiX> no
[22:23:11] <waddlesplash> why not try that then?
[22:23:12] <KapiX> cairo is disable
[22:23:16] <KapiX> disabled*
[22:23:16] <waddlesplash> I think the cairo port works
[22:23:20] <KapiX> feel free to do that :)
[22:23:30] <waddlesplash> I don't have a monster machine to build this on :p
[22:23:40] <waddlesplash> nor do I presently have a working bare metal install :/
[22:23:46] <KapiX> I am building on i3-2xxx/Quad Q6600
[22:23:54] <KapiX> so it's not like I do either ;)
[22:24:01] <waddlesplash> I have an i3-5005 but it's only in VirtualBox
[22:24:14] <waddlesplash> don't have a bare metal install atm
[22:24:30] <waddlesplash> but, I know that cairo was working for the wxwidgets port I hacked together
[22:24:37] <waddlesplash> so, if enabling that saves a lot of time for now, do it
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[22:28:46] <Begasus> now if you would get scummvm_tools working with wxwidgets it woud be cool waddlesplash ;) (I only got as far as having a windown with some menu, but nothing usable at that time) :)
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[23:03:55] <Duggan> hey KapiX, Begasus, etc
[23:04:06] <KapiX> hi Duggan
[23:04:12] <Begasus> hi Duggan!
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[23:05:21] <jessicah> cairo doesn't have a haiku backend last I checked
[23:06:30] <waddlesplash> jessicah: Yes, but if LibreOffice is copying/writing to an internal buffer from cairo it doesn't really matter
[23:07:05] <KapiX> waddlesplash wiring cairo to Haiku windows is a bit of work still
[23:07:10] <KapiX> I don't see a reason to bother
[23:07:10] <waddlesplash> ah
[23:09:26] <Duggan> waddlesplash, I'm still trying to figure out how the BGLDispatcher works... the BGLRenderRoster creates a new dispatcher and sends it to the renderer's constructor... the renderer's constructor does nothing to it and the BGLDispatcher's constructor does nothing... it looks like BGLDispatcher::SetTable() needs to be called, but I haven't found that yet... still looking...
[23:09:52] <waddlesplash> so is it ... not called?
[23:09:54] <Duggan> (it obviously IS called or else OpenGL wouldn't work)
[23:09:57] <waddlesplash> oh
[23:10:05] <waddlesplash> Duggan: "git grep SetTable" ?
[23:10:19] <Duggan> yeah I'm getting there, just giving an update :)
[23:10:50] <Duggan> btw, BGLRenderer is a stub and will need to be more fully implemented to support hw accel
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[23:27:59] <Begas_VBox> got some warning on the latest things I've been checking out like these ... AC_REQUIRE([AM_PROG_MKDIR_P])dnl defined by automake
[23:28:45] <Begas_VBox> looks like I can get past these ones by changing the line for gettext in configure.ad to AM_GNU_GETTEXT_VERSION([0.19.8]) ... does this sound ok?
[23:29:30] <Begas_VBox> 0.19.8 is the current version for gettext installed atm ...
[23:31:26] <jessicah> does it need to be versioned?
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[23:33:28] <Begas_VBox> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29862780/why-does-gettext-automake-macros-include-deprecated-am-prog-mkdir-p-macro
[23:34:15] <Begas_VBox> atleast I got rid of the warning ..
[23:34:44] <Begas_VBox> but not sure (as it isn't a deal breaker) to impliment it as a patch ....
[23:37:54] <Begas_VBox> checking if it also works with just v0.19
[23:40:05] <Begas_VBox> check seems to work for configure ...
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[23:59:33] <KapiX> waddlesplash, I looked into cairo
[23:59:50] <KapiX> it just writes to surfaces and then draws a bitmap
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