February 26, 2017 
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February 26, 2017 [00:01:46] *** Nekron_dev <Nekron_dev!~nekron@p5B3F0036.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[00:01:48] <mounty> Hello; I would like to build a Haiku image so that it has a load of customisations built-in, so I'm not inhibited from rebuilding against a fresh pull from time to time.[00:02:04] <mounty> So I already have some customisations in UserBuildConfig such as[00:02:12] <mounty> AddFilesToHaikuImage home config settings : <keymap>US-International : Key_map ;[00:02:20] <mounty> AddHaikuImagePackages vim ;[00:02:25] <mounty> AddUserToHaikuImage mounty : 573 : 100 : /boot/home : /bin/bash : "Michael Mounteney" ;[00:03:33] <mounty> So is it possible to APPEND a line to /boot/system/settings/network/hosts using a similar declaration/statement ?[00:03:37] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3637ed.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[00:04:15] <mounty> Also, I would like to have an NFS4 mount set up as an icon on the desktop, with the following command behind it: mount -t nfs4 -p "cortex:/home/mounty" Home[00:04:43] <mounty> Obiously, "mkdir Home" would have to be in the declarations/statements in UserBuildConfig as well.[00:04:59] *** Nekron_dev <Nekron_dev!~nekron@p5B3F0036.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:05:33] *** Begasus <Begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpinfpnimmuv8qdr.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[00:05:53] <Begas_VBox> going down here, g'night peeps and thanks miqlas! :)[00:05:56] *** Begas_VBox <Begas_VBox!~Begasus@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:19:51] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.71.162.183.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[00:22:41] <miqlas> hmm.. i got Xsdl compiled on Haiku.[00:38:21] <krbtgt|_> handy but also eww[00:52:21] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:53:54] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-124-5.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:03:07] <tsundoku> can haiku mount disk images?[01:03:22] <tsundoku> namely ISOs but also more generally[01:04:36] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-61-127.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:08:14] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:09:08] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.8.2> has joined #haiku[01:09:22] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.8.2> has left #haiku[01:09:47] <miqlas> tsundoku: with double click[01:10:22] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[01:13:58] <tsundoku> excellent[01:14:08] <tsundoku> that was what I hoped to hear[01:14:46] <miqlas> it will be mounted as a normal disk.[01:18:35] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-duaplwdyvgzrrutz> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:32:00] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-61-127.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:45:54] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d8df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:51:42] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:54:13] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-61-127.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:55:19] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:56:00] <Vidrep> Just built and tested wget 1.19 on x86 - works fine[01:56:23] <Vidrep> Recipe file showing ?x86[01:57:17] *** AD_MOS2 <AD_MOS2!~JohnN@bcdf1df9.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:04:36] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[02:11:26] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-61-127.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:15:02] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@bcdf1df9.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[02:38:41] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[02:53:09] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[02:53:16] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:53:44] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[03:04:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #145 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid-debug is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid-debug/builds/145[03:08:00] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-182-192-46.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:12:50] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[03:28:32] <tsundoku> is it possible to configure bootmanager manually?[03:28:52] <tsundoku> I'm experimenting with it on a machine that has two drives and it only seems to look for bootable partitions on the drive Haiku lives on[03:32:46] <mmu_man> possibly[03:32:49] <mmu_man> not sure[03:33:01] <tsundoku> ok[03:33:03] <mmu_man> you'll want to check the source[03:33:16] <mmu_man> see also writembr & makebootable[03:33:27] <tsundoku> one more question... if I've installed a boot menu with BootManager, is there a simple way to remove that and set it back to immediately boot Haiku?[03:34:04] <mmu_man> I think writembr does it[03:34:18] <mmu_man> but I don't use it often[03:34:20] <tsundoku> OK[03:34:21] <mmu_man> anyway, zz[03:34:22] <tsundoku> will try[03:34:24] <tsundoku> thanks[03:51:08] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[03:57:32] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:6126:8bc7:7b54:9c8e> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:59:27] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:00:54] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[04:25:03] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:32:42] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:39:04] *** return0e_ <return0e_!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:41:36] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has joined #haiku[04:55:33] *** rennj <rennj!~rennj@host-69-146-167-35.static.bresnan.net> has joined #haiku[05:23:35] <jessicah> BootManager lets you restore the backup, if you saved the backup[05:23:48] <jessicah> iirc[05:38:55] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[05:40:42] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[05:41:10] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:42:13] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[06:15:44] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:16:23] <tsundoku> writembr was what I wanted[06:20:28] *** Cenbe <Cenbe!~cenbe@unaffiliated/cenbe> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:20:33] *** Cenbe_ <Cenbe_!~cenbe@cpe-184-58-196-239.wi.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[06:27:59] *** valerius_ <valerius_!~valerius@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has joined #haiku[06:31:36] *** hundfred_ <hundfred_!~hundfred@167.ip-51-254-214.eu> has joined #haiku[06:32:22] *** neoman- <neoman-!neoman@falloutshelter.de> has joined #haiku[06:33:28] *** valerius <valerius!~valerius@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:33:28] *** Blub\0 <Blub\0!~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:33:29] *** hundfred 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<mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[07:33:03] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:34:51] *** Sue <Sue!~sue@unaffiliated/sue> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[07:34:51] *** Sue_ <Sue_!~sue@2601:204:c600:6f1d:6600:6aff:fe4e:4542> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:35:03] *** jessicah <jessicah!uid33885@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnbwivrxtrkghrjh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:37:36] *** Sue <Sue!~sue@unaffiliated/sue> has joined #haiku[07:45:14] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[07:49:23] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-rowxvlodzcgyklvt> has joined #haiku[08:11:25] <PulkoMandy> tsundoku: the boot manager itself supports multiple drives, but it needs the OS to implement the B_GET_BIOS_DRIVE_ID ioctl so it can know the mapping between disks (/dev/disk/...) and the BIOS IDs for them (0x80, 0x81, ...)[08:11:46] <PulkoMandy> this ioctl is not currently supported on Haiku, so it will only allow booting partitions on the same disk[08:12:35] <PulkoMandy> as an alternative I would suggest using Smart Boot Manager, which does not look as good as our menu, but is more feature complete[08:24:47] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85bae8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:24:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:26:33] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[08:45:40] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15166A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:00:59] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-124-5.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:15:34] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170127082651])[09:16:19] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has joined 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Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)[10:28:22] *** bitkid_ is now known as bitkid[10:59:58] <munchausen> What's the expected behaviour with haikuporter and multiple SOURCE_URI lines?[11:00:25] <munchausen> It appears openjdk is broken because this behaviour has changed at some time[11:06:22] <miqlas> Can somebody help to translate this? “fond nautic acier ,mais pas d'origine pour ce modèle”[11:09:06] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85bae8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:09:25] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[11:15:41] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:08] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:23:17] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.237.160.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[11:23:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[11:23:21] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-231-135.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[11:23:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[11:31:44] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@cpc83559-brig19-2-0-cust1937.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[11:31:56] *** _moochris <_moochris!~vision@cpc83559-brig19-2-0-cust1937.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[11:32:33] *** _moochris <_moochris!~vision@cpc83559-brig19-2-0-cust1937.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:38:24] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hihnymjkrojjyblp> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[11:43:36] <munchausen> The recipe wants to patch one of the source packages, but it is in a work-<pkgname>/sources-9 folder, which has no git repo initialised (only work-xxx/sources gets a git repo) and the patch thus fails to apply[11:43:45] <munchausen> If no one has any suggestions I will raise a bug[11:45:08] <munchausen> I don't know if the recipe is broken or its a problem in haikuporter though, because I don't really know what is supposed to happen with multiple SOURCE_URI, the docs just say you can use multiple but nothing beyond that as far as I can see[11:47:44] <munchausen> Ah, it looks like it does initialize an empty repo, but not until after it attempted to apply the patch[11:48:49] <munchausen> Perhaps it should allow "PATCHES_<xxx>" where <xxx> matches "SOURCE_URI_<xxx>"[11:54:10] <PulkoMandy> that would make sense[12:02:18] <munchausen> Looks like there is something else wrong with the package anyhow, failes to resolve gethostbyname_r... perhaps that is a recent API change[12:02:44] <munchausen> Anyway, I will raise a bug for the first issue[12:12:19] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has joined #haiku[12:15:28] <HaikuUser> Hi, I'm trying to change my default shell for the Terminal app. The way I'm trying it now is I copy the UserSetupEnvironment.sample to UserSetupEnvironment and add export SHELL=... when I now open a new shell the only thing that's changed is the $SHELL variable, the shell still 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<Maylay!~gren@2602:306:cc63:be60:21e:2aff:fe4a:b133> has joined #haiku[15:56:41] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.237.160.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[15:56:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[15:57:22] <tsundoku> can somebody remind me again how NFS mounting is supposed to work in Haiku?[15:57:48] <tsundoku> I'm trying to search for the documentation page for it but all I find are seven year-old discussion threads about it being broken[16:03:37] <mmu_man> hmmm, you'll have to pass some options to the mount command[16:03:41] <mmu_man> including the server address[16:04:01] <mmu_man> I'm afraid the source code for the kernel fs addon is the only doc yet[16:04:09] <mmu_man> patches are appreciated btw ;-)[16:04:32] <mmu_man> also, notice there is both nfs4 and the old nfs2 client (or did it got removed from the image ?)[16:04:53] <tsundoku> there is mount_nfs, which half-works for me[16:05:18] <tsundoku> mount_nfs mountpoint uid gid[16:05:28] <tsundoku> that will mount a share but the contents show as empty[16:06:31] <tsundoku> and if I try to ls it in the terminal it says "no such file or directory"[16:07:17] <tsundoku> I've heard about the NFS4 client that is supposed to be ready but can't find anything about it online. there was a page I encountered the other day but I can't find it again[16:17:52] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[16:17:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[16:22:44] <mmu_man> I think mount_nfs is the old one[16:22:49] <Diver1> tsundoku: I think mount_nfs is a wrapper for nfs2?[16:23:02] <mmu_man> wait, are yon an alpha ?[16:23:21] <Diver1> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/pawe%C5%82_dziepak/2013-03-15_nfsv4_client_finally_merged/[16:23:21] <tsundoku> hrev50979[16:24:12] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85bae8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:24:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:25:46] <tsundoku> interesting[16:25:51] <tsundoku> that appears to work[16:25:54] <tsundoku> maybe I was missing the quotes[16:26:05] <tsundoku> not sure how it gets the uid and gid to use, though[16:27:05] <mmu_man> I think NFS4 moved away from that[16:27:30] <mmu_man> possibly it uses a guest uid by default[16:27:59] <tsundoku> if it's using a guest UID I need to specify one somehow[16:28:07] <tsundoku> otherwise it's going to be read-only[16:28:26] <jrabbit> auto patch extraction is pretty nifty haikuporter `-e` --no-ca-verification[16:30:06] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.108.91.253.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #haiku[16:30:36] <HaikuUser> hi for all[16:31:07] <HaikuUser> some thing spanish?[16:31:14] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.108.91.253.dyn.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:31:57] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:33:12] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[16:34:14] <Anarchos> hi everybody[16:34:41] <humdinger> hullo[16:42:21] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-61-127.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[16:43:28] <Vidrep> humdinger, "Then it's obvious: AddDarkEnergy()." - LOL :D[16:44:18] <humdinger> that would be a nice nerdy API[16:44:42] <Anarchos> humdinger as nice as is_computer_on_fire ?[16:45:26] <humdinger> admittedly, teh AddGlue() alternatve would be used a bitmore often than is_computer_on_fire...[16:48:17] <Vidrep> Has anybody else besides me tried the Software Updater on anything else besides x86_gcc2h builds?[16:49:25] <tsundoku> pkgman update?[16:49:46] <humdinger> Vidrep: no. Be aware it's compiled for gcc2. for other archs you need to compile yourself.[16:49:55] <humdinger> Brian's GUI updater[16:50:44] *** _marc` <_marc`!~marc@mos6581.de> has quit IRC (Quit: _marc`)[16:54:37] *** _marc` <_marc`!~marc@fr3-sbg.mos6581.de> has joined #haiku[16:56:24] <Vidrep> It runs on x86_gcc5h, but it only finds 1 out of 7 system updates[16:56:50] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@5.224.222.179> has quit IRC (Quit: arroyoc)[16:57:16] <Vidrep> ...as compared to using pkgman update[16:59:53] <humdinger> I dunno. maybe it does need to be re-compiled for gcc5[17:02:23] *** Maylay <Maylay!~gren@2602:306:cc63:be60:21e:2aff:fe4a:b133> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:09:45] *** Maylay <Maylay!~gren@2602:306:cc63:be60:21e:2aff:fe4a:b133> has joined #haiku[17:20:27] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-altpqymfsnvwigsy> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[17:22:01] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:22:09] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[17:22:46] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:22:56] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[17:23:34] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:23:45] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[17:24:22] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:24:31] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[17:24:38] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:28:24] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xmlirrrkkppexavm> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[17:34:23] *** Maylay <Maylay!~gren@2602:306:cc63:be60:21e:2aff:fe4a:b133> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:40:25] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-62-235-49-9.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[17:42:34] *** beatdown <beatdown!beatdown@violator.strangled.net> has joined #haiku[17:43:10] * beatdown is considering running Haiku in a VM[17:45:06] <krbtgt|_> why not?[17:46:11] <Anarchos> how to pull a driver from the freebsd11 git repo cleanly into my local git repo of Haiku sources ?[17:48:37] <humdinger> I recently moved something from haiku to haikuarchives. korli provided me with this link:[17:48:38] <humdinger> https://help.github.com/articles/splitting-a-subfolder-out-into-a-new-repository/[17:55:34] *** Maylay <Maylay!~gren@2602:306:cc63:be60:21e:2aff:fe4a:b133> has joined #haiku[17:57:39] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B151E7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:58:54] <Anarchos> thanks humdinger[18:01:40] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15166A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:02:47] <Vidrep> humdinger, watching the evolution of Brian's app on the ML has been educational[18:04:19] <Vidrep> Has consideration been given to the ability to deselect certain updates?[18:04:21] <krbtgt|_> i propose Haiku Inc. sign a contract to license Swiss 721 BT for Haiku[18:04:30] <krbtgt|_> it'd be a great use of funds[18:05:21] <humdinger> Vidrep: yes. but that's for the future. Depends on Brian, of course...[18:05:54] <humdinger> It may be better integrated into HakuDepot. Let's see...[18:06:00] <humdinger> krbtgt|_: I disagree :)[18:09:05] <Vidrep> humdinger, I think you guys are doing a good job of steering him in the right direction[18:10:29] <humdinger> It's like such a process should be IMO. People giving feedback, he being open to ideas, but in the end deciding what's worth his time.[18:10:43] <Vidrep> I'd like to compile it for x86 and try it out here. Where do I start?[18:10:57] <Vidrep> I see the sources on Git[18:11:13] <humdinger> clone his git repo[18:11:20] <humdinger> setarch x86[18:11:40] <humdinger> then "make". has he a makefile?[18:12:33] <humdinger> ah no... it's in hhis haiku fork...[18:12:45] <humdinger> that makes it more difficult...[18:13:01] <humdinger> you need to set up a complete haiku build environment.[18:13:18] <Vidrep> bleh[18:13:20] <humdinger> just came up at the forums: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/how-to-compile-haiku-on-haiku/5433/7[18:13:23] <Vidrep> I'll wait...[18:13:31] <humdinger> quite easy, actually...[18:13:40] <humdinger> see my last reply.[18:35:40] *** _marc` <_marc`!~marc@fr3-sbg.mos6581.de> has quit IRC (Quit: _marc`)[18:37:24] *** _marc` <_marc`!~marc@fr3-sbg.mos6581.de> has joined #haiku[18:51:08] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:55:51] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?)[18:57:49] <bbjimmy> on hrev50979 WonderBrush fails to run,[18:58:21] <humdinger> works here, same hrev[19:01:11] <bbjimmy> I just updated and it stopped running ...thread 7737: w>WonderBrush state: Exception (Segment violation)[19:02:59] <humdinger> maybe the whole backtrace gives more info.[19:03:21] <humdinger> tried renaming the its settings folder?[19:03:30] <humdinger> maybe some settings issue...[19:04:53] <bbjimmy> not a settings issue.[19:06:25] <bbjimmy> http://coquillemartialarts.com/jim/WonderBrush-7701-debug-26-02-2017-17-56-21.report[19:07:46] <humdinger> now you need an expert... :)[19:08:00] <humdinger> is it the wonderbrush hpkg from haikudepot?[19:08:01] *** circ-userss <circ-userss!~IceChat9@ip-62-235-49-9.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[19:08:23] <bbjimmy> yes[19:08:23] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-62-235-49-9.dsl.scarlet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:08:39] <bbjimmy> I un-installed and re-installed, same issue.[19:09:22] <humdinger> in wonderbrush's lib folder there are links to the system's lib. something wrong there?[19:10:17] <bbjimmy> the links are ok.[19:11:15] <bbjimmy> links to libz.so and libfreetype.so[19:11:50] <humdinger> hmm.. out of ideas... I just un/reinstalled WB and it still works...[19:13:48] <humdinger> my system's libz is libz.so.1.2.8 , freetype is libfreetype.so.6.13.0[19:14:29] <humdinger> liblayout is: -r-xr-xr-x 1 user root 567832 Oct 17 2013 liblayout.so[19:15:06] <humdinger> package liblayout-1.4.1-1[19:16:22] <bbjimmy> libfreetype.so.6.12.6[19:17:43] <humdinger> weird. shouldn't that have been updated with haiku...?[19:18:20] <bbjimmy> I would have thought so.[19:19:26] <humdinger> oh.[19:19:38] <humdinger> looks like I installed that package manually.[19:19:57] <humdinger> mine is freetype-2.7.1-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg[19:20:09] <humdinger> yours should be freetype-2.7-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg[19:20:20] <humdinger> I doubt that's the issue for WB though.[19:20:58] <bbjimmy> it ran long enough to replace the settings folder.[19:22:41] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: vanished!)[19:25:11] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:28:27] <Vidrep> humdinger, I cloned his repository, ran configure, jam SoftwareUpdater - it built a binary, but not one that works :([19:29:31] <humdinger> on gcc2?[19:29:42] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:31:48] <humdinger> Vidrep: do other things work, like "jam -q Clock"?[19:32:12] <Vidrep> x86_gcc5h[19:32:39] <Vidrep> How to clean and start over?[19:33:13] <humdinger> from scratch, delete the objects folder in "generated"[19:33:24] <Vidrep> His prebuilt gcc2 binary works better[19:34:08] <humdinger> It's a bit strange that it does build with gcc5, but the resulting binary should just work the same...[19:34:29] <humdinger> but give it time. Brian probably develops with gcc2 only so far.[19:34:43] <humdinger> making it work with gcc5 shouldn't be a problem.[19:34:54] <krbtgt|_> its kinda sad we have to say this in 2017[19:35:15] <krbtgt|_> like, gcc2 should just be relegated for our friendly Be applications[19:35:38] <humdinger> don't see the issue. all of Haiku compiles with gcc5.4[19:35:58] <humdinger> it's been discussed to death in any case.[19:36:45] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[19:37:26] <krbtgt|_> true, i don't build the bikeseds[19:37:42] <Vidrep> I'm still of the opinion that we should have gone to gcc5h instead of gcc2h for our "officialy supported" release[19:38:05] <Vidrep> gcc5h runs "most" BeOS apps[19:38:55] <krbtgt|_> Attraction and GoBe like, the only things that matter[19:39:23] <Vidrep> We can diverge after R1[19:39:38] <krbtgt|_> thats been the plan as i read it[19:39:57] <krbtgt|_> besides, once be ABI compat is droppped i'll go amd64 anyways ;)[19:40:04] <Vidrep> As it stands, we need to first get that Beta out there...[19:40:44] <Vidrep> I'm hopeful that we'll have it released by the end of 2017[19:42:23] <Vidrep> I'm always living on the "bleeding edge" anyway, so not having a stable release doesn't bother me as much as folks who want to do development work[19:45:24] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:45:37] <miqlas-H64> Hi guys.[19:45:58] <miqlas-H64> Just got the xserver working on Haiku: http://chunk.io/f/57ccc1a5d6914094a4d730f4fce099c3[19:46:11] <miqlas-H64> But there is no x based program yet, so it is a bit empty[19:50:08] <humdinger> miqlas-H64: well done![19:50:23] <humdinger> ( I guess... I never had the need to have X)[19:50:25] <krbtgt|_> that reminds me I should finish the mono port[19:50:53] <humdinger> that reminds me... I need to log off[19:51:00] <krbtgt|_> its working but something is making the compilers malfunction, and its probably something w/ the runtime[19:51:01] <humdinger> cu guys tomorrow![19:51:05] * humdinger waves[19:51:06] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85bae8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:51:07] <krbtgt|_> and of coourse, upstream apathy :([19:55:13] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A280DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:02:48] *** miqlas-H64 <miqlas-H64!~Haiku@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:07:07] *** developerhdf <developerhdf!~developer@41.223.117.43> has joined #haiku[20:07:47] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A280DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[20:08:53] <developerhdf> Hi all, could someone please point me to the most detailed source of information, aside from source code, where I can learn about Haiku's kernel?[20:16:32] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-61-127.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:21:49] *** developerhdf <developerhdf!~developer@41.223.117.43> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[20:23:00] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@41.223.117.43> has joined #haiku[20:25:03] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@41.223.117.43> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:32:17] <postmen> hi miqlas[20:32:39] <miqlas> hi postmen![20:32:40] <postmen> well, that developerhdf motivation didn't last too long ... ;)[20:33:26] <postmen> miqlas, I'm still waitin' for your help on one or two ports. ;)[20:33:45] <miqlas> wich ones?[20:34:27] <postmen> scala and haskell one - they both run fine, iirc. Just need such a paper for the haiku depot, how to build them. ^^[20:35:07] <postmen> scala just requires openjdk.[20:36:30] <postmen> oh, and the other one ain't haskell but hugs. 1.0. ^^[20:40:31] * postmen is watchin' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkTFx3-duc8[20:45:19] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:45:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:45:26] <postmen> Hi Barrett[20:45:39] <Barrett> hi postmen[20:47:25] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cjpgxharwjulzvvn> has joined #haiku[20:48:23] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 9 commits to 2017Q1 [+4/-0/±8] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/40e57a27e0ea...dbede9c2168f[20:48:25] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] korli b5cc18a - sdl_sound: use a safe source.[20:48:26] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 83c28e5 - sqlitebrowser: force one-job build.[20:48:28] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy db19c61 - sdl-net: remove .la files.[20:48:29] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 6 more commits.[20:48:55] <postmen> hello mr. kasier.[20:52:48] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: korli * hrev50980 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=598a62e2751b+%5E0414166a2945[20:52:49] <HAIKU-irker458> 598a62e2751b: Add sdl_sound, dosbox packages for x86_64.[20:59:06] *** fujisan <fujisan!~fujisan@4dae8414.ftth.telfortglasvezel.nl> has joined #haiku[21:08:43] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:18:06] *** fujisan <fujisan!~fujisan@4dae8414.ftth.telfortglasvezel.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)[21:18:42] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[21:19:54] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:20:08] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.237.160.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[21:22:23] *** JohnX <JohnX!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:22:23] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[21:23:05] *** JohnX <JohnX!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has joined #haiku[21:44:33] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:44:35] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[21:50:12] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5f539e11ea02...e9baf500b798[21:50:14] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 78c5785 - freeciv: clean up dependencies.[21:50:15] <Not-4a11> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e9baf50 - lmms: more correct REQUIRES.[22:01:53] *** ekr_ <ekr_!~ekr@188.24.108.146> has joined #haiku[22:05:10] *** ekr <ekr!~ekr@unaffiliated/ekr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:11:41] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@108.173.61.127> has joined #haiku[22:29:28] *** Diver1 <Diver1!~Adium@broadband-46-242-8-225.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:29:42] <miqlas> postmen: so scala and hugs?[22:30:00] <miqlas> this hugs? https://www.versioneye.com/nodejs/hugs/1.0.2[22:30:31] <miqlas> or this one? https://www.haskell.org/hugs/[22:32:43] <postmen> the second one.[22:35:09] <postmen> miqlas, https://www.haskell.org/hugs/pages/latest.htm - the very first version from dec2001 compiled like charme on haiku os iirc.[22:35:44] <miqlas> have you ever tested the newer releases?[22:36:40] <postmen> yes - none of them worked for me.[22:37:48] <krbtgt|_> IIRC without ghc, haskell is kinda silly[22:37:54] <postmen> miqlas, problem is to obtain that old https://www.haskell.org/hugs/downloads/Dec2001/hugs98-Dec2001.zip file.[22:38:04] <postmen> krbtgt|_, that's not the question here.[22:38:45] <postmen> miqlas, here we go http://ftp.twaren.net/OpenBSD/distfiles/hugs98-Dec2001.tar.gz[22:40:13] <miqlas> postmen: is it self contained, or do we need something else to get it work?[22:40:53] <miqlas> btw: i have only x86_64 haiku, i cannot test it on other platforms, but if you want to help, you can check it on other arch.[22:40:57] <postmen> miqlas, it works right out of the box.[22:41:15] <miqlas> okay. So no strings, hidden ghc dependencies there?[22:41:22] <postmen> miqlas, it works or should work on x86_64 as well.[22:41:37] <postmen> miqlas, nope, since it is the very first version.[22:42:28] <postmen> just need someone willing and able to add it to the haiku depot and maybe others will drive it further ... with the aim of the very last hugs version.[22:43:03] <miqlas> postmen: do you need any gui support? It seems it requires X11 for graphics[22:43:03] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:43:21] <postmen> nope, as far as i know it's bash based only.[22:43:40] <miqlas> bash based??? you mean "cli", right?[22:43:48] <postmen> right, i guess :)[22:44:48] <miqlas> Bah, no openjdk package for x86_64.[22:46:22] <postmen> why do u speak of openjdk now!? are u goin' to help me or not? :)[22:47:10] <miqlas> postmen: i remember, we have spoken about scala earlier and i tried to get the latest version packaged, but it wasn't was compatible with the openjdk version what we have on haiku. Right?[22:47:59] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-etcbbmxsaacueamn> has joined #haiku[22:49:26] <miqlas> postmen: just collecting the infos right now: http://i.imgur.com/uqHIkVq.jpg[22:49:33] <postmen> miqlas, ohh, you're right - the latest one requires the latest java jdk iirc. That's even a topic under linux. So it's recommaned to either update jdk or downgrade scala, if that's not possible.[22:50:01] <postmen> but i thought the hugs thing should be done quicker.[22:50:11] <miqlas> I'll start with hugs, seems easier[22:51:30] <postmen> mhmm, for some stupid reason that doesn't compile for me anymore. too bad. i could bet it had worked bevore.[22:51:32] <miqlas> i do my port mornings atnd afternoons to and back from work. No wlan on the bus so i need to collect the informations now[22:51:43] <postmen> oh, ok, i see.[22:52:42] <miqlas> but scala seems like a tough one. There is no openjdk for x86_64, so if it is technically possible, i need to build openjdk first[22:52:54] <postmen> hehe :)[22:54:43] *** DKnoto_W <DKnoto_W!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[22:54:59] <Vidrep> postmen, "just need someone willing and able to add it to the haiku depot " That's the problem with a lot of things[22:55:23] <Vidrep> The devs are so tied up with other more important concerns[22:56:16] <Vidrep> I don't understand why they couldn't offload some of these kind of tasks to trusted long time contibutors who are able and willing[22:56:53] <postmen> Vidrep, never mind. i think the information politics inside that project is so poor. but i just can't help it.[22:57:08] *** DKnoto_W <DKnoto_W!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:57:31] <Vidrep> I agree with you[22:57:38] *** DKnoto_W <DKnoto_W!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[22:57:47] *** DKnoto_W <DKnoto_W!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:58:34] *** DKnoto_W <DKnoto_W!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[22:58:48] <postmen> DKnoto_W, you aren't of much help! :)[22:59:18] * postmen is afk, feadin' tha cats.[23:01:13] *** DKnoto_W <DKnoto_W!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:01:37] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[23:07:05] <miqlas> ok,i go to sleep.[23:07:07] <miqlas> bye guys[23:09:24] <circ-userss> midglas-H64! X server so what about.. WINE?[23:10:47] <krbtgt|_> hes sleepy now[23:10:52] <krbtgt|_> but you could do a app_server driver for wine[23:12:46] <circ-userss> "When haiku switches to gcc4 and breaks backwards compatibility they maybe also can change the memory layout?"[23:12:52] <circ-userss> https://wiki.winehq.org/Haiku[23:13:51] <miqlas> circ-userss: PulkoMndy told it isn't the a problem anymore, but better to ask him about the details.[23:14:15] <circ-userss> i reed somewhere that it's also needs X org so for me it looks like another step towards..[23:14:23] <miqlas> i'm sleepy, right.[23:15:12] <circ-userss> I think after 17 years there compatbility with BeOS precompiled apps is just obsolete same as Win16(Windows 3.1) for Windows[23:15:18] <miqlas> circ-userss: wine needs obviously some kind of gui support, the easiest way would be to get it work with sdl based x server. Messy, but could work.[23:15:41] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:09] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:16:17] <miqlas> but you know, there is some cli windows applications too. that was my aim as i worked on wine for haiku, but had no real luck with it.[23:16:21] <circ-userss> focus on newer compiler just drop the stupid hybrids gcc2 hybrids?[23:16:39] <miqlas> I should update my patchset to the latest version and make it available for everybody.[23:17:08] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:31] <miqlas> circ-userss: you are not the first one who comes up with this idea.[23:17:35] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-156-85.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[23:17:35] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@AToulon-256-1-156-85.w83-113.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:17:35] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[23:17:53] <miqlas> but i really need to go to sleep[23:17:54] <miqlas> bye[23:18:03] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:18:57] <circ-userss> ok bye, i know im not first ;)[23:20:34] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-252-9.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[23:22:18] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:23:10] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:25:46] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:27:23] *** ekr_ <ekr_!~ekr@188.24.108.146> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:27:31] <postmen> circ-userss, don't understand your problem set arch and fine is.[23:37:37] <DKnoto> postmen, I had problem with my irc client.[23:37:46] <postmen> ah, ok, fine.[23:41:17] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto_W3@apn-31-0-42-46.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)