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[00:07:46] <tsundoku> oh
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[00:15:13] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, have you tried x86_gcc2 Web+?
[00:15:25] <Vidrep> ...or anybody else?
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[00:15:47] <krbtgt|> Vidrep: let me check
[00:16:28] <krbtgt|> Vidrep: text renders fine on latest hrev iirc
[00:16:47] <krbtgt|> 50970
[00:17:15] <Vidrep> https://www.haiku-os.org/
[00:17:21] <krbtgt|> yes i see it
[00:17:29] <tsundoku> latest is 50971 isn't it?
[00:18:05] <krbtgt|> that clump of commits is just BString and pkgman refactoring
[00:18:18] <tsundoku> ah
[00:18:25] <Vidrep> krbtgt|, what do you see? Or not see? :)
[00:18:27] <krbtgt|> http://i.imgur.com/Kv765kG.png
[00:19:44] * tsundoku notes that krbtgt|has the tab bar enabled with one tab
[00:20:26] <Barrett> not all audio issues are my fault
[00:21:32] <krbtgt|> tsundoku: its default
[00:21:32] <Barrett> I'd say, very few recently
[00:21:39] <krbtgt|> and i dont like my tab bar going up and down
[00:22:34] <Vidrep> http://imgur.com/a/EkI63
[00:23:06] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: looks like a rendering error, not website problem. idk
[00:23:35] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, that's on two different PC's
[00:23:46] <waddlesplash> well, idk
[00:23:50] <waddlesplash> but it works everywhere else :/
[00:23:55] <Vidrep> But only x86_gcc2 is affected.
[00:24:35] <waddlesplash> yes, which is why I'd blame rendering error of sorts
[00:25:50] <Vidrep> I'll create a ticket for it. Let the Web+ expert figure it out
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[00:38:10] <tsundoku> re: earlier problems with audio playback, I restarted media_server and it seems fine now
[00:38:13] <tsundoku> I'll keep an eye on it
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[01:10:57] <tsundoku> and re: the problem with MediaPlayer crashing when an item is dragged to the playlist window, it seems to consistently *not* happen if I have Debugger attached
[01:11:01] <tsundoku> but if not, it crashes
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[01:29:22] <tsundoku> unrelated but... did titlebars get fatter somewhere along the line?
[01:29:39] <waddlesplash> they did, Noto Sans has different metrics than DejaVu
[01:29:43] <tsundoku> ahh
[01:29:46] <tsundoku> so it's just a font thing
[01:29:51] <waddlesplash> yes
[01:34:40] <tsundoku> going to try and submit a bug report about this drag and drop playlist thing...
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[01:37:09] <LaceySnr> any of you guys run Haiku in Virtualbox under windows/
[01:37:19] <LaceySnr> for some reason mouse input etc. really isn't smooth
[01:37:25] <LaceySnr> much smoother on my Mac but I don't know why
[01:37:27] <krbtgt|> do you have the additions?
[01:37:40] <krbtgt|> my guess is mouse acceleration differences
[01:39:21] <LaceySnr> I didn't think there were additions for Haiku?
[01:39:28] <LaceySnr> I don't recall installing any for the Mac at least
[01:40:42] <waddlesplash> LaceySnr: switch to Absolute Pointing Device in vm settings
[01:40:51] <waddlesplash> LaceySnr: (or "USB Tablet", one or the other)
[01:43:56] <LaceySnr> I've got it set to USB tablet
[01:44:08] <LaceySnr> it's weird, the cursor actually vanishes as it moves around
[01:44:16] <LaceySnr> maybe it's to do with the graphics driver Haiku is using?
[01:45:13] <krbtgt|> if its absolute, then I think it's your host OS' mouse settings in charge
[01:45:23] <krbtgt|> in which case its mouse accel between mac OS and windows
[01:46:11] <LaceySnr> but the cursor shouldn't vanish and generally be slow
[01:46:21] <LaceySnr> it's not like that in windows
[01:46:25] <LaceySnr> or even in an Atari emulator :)
[01:50:48] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6467735d4575...12b96a3a64f6
[01:50:49] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 12b96a3 - wxQt: Switch from 3.1.0 to 3.1.0_git (wxQt WIP Git branch).
[01:50:55] <LaceySnr> is there more than one driver option available under virtualbox?
[01:51:08] <waddlesplash> nope
[01:51:20] <krbtgt|> there are VM additions for haiku
[01:51:20] <LaceySnr> didn't think so
[01:51:23] <krbtgt|> that include a mouse driver
[01:51:27] <LaceySnr> they in haikudepot?
[01:51:29] <krbtgt|> yes
[01:51:30] <waddlesplash> krbtgt|: only for VMware
[01:51:35] <krbtgt|> i saw vbox ones
[01:51:42] <waddlesplash> they're only for shared clipboard iirc
[01:51:48] <stargate1> have anyone used indent to format the c or c++ code?
[01:52:34] <LaceySnr> I think it's a graphics thing... even Chart isn't smooth
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[02:27:31] <AndrewZ> Is there no GTK on Haiku?
[02:28:51] <AndrewZ> @stargate1 It looks like vim supports indent
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[02:48:32] <stargate1> the orginal beos font are?
[03:07:51] <waddlesplash> AndrewZ: nope, because GTK is a nightmare that nobody wants to touch
[03:08:00] <waddlesplash> AndrewZ: we just got a mostly-working wxWidgets port tho
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[06:41:01] <miqlas> stargate1: i suppose Swiss 721 BT
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[07:43:17] <humdinger> waddlesplash: any idea why the blurb on the front-page of a blog post ignores html formatting?
[07:43:27] <humdinger> no paragraphs, newlines, links
[07:44:37] <humdinger> I first commited a perfectly formatted html, after seeing that removed the <p> etc. and now use a similar formatting as mmu_man's FOSDEM blog.
[07:44:47] <humdinger> Still no joy on the front page.
[07:45:56] <humdinger> I'll reformat to html again, at least the post itself then comes out as expected...
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[07:48:42] <humdinger> Hi jessicah!
[07:48:57] <humdinger> haven't heard from you in a long time. everything OK?
[07:49:38] <korli> hi humdinger jessicah
[07:49:39] <jessicah> yeah
[07:49:48] <jessicah> just very tired lately
[07:50:20] <jessicah> and my fibre connection is dead tonight :( sucky
[07:51:07] <humdinger> got the old analog modem out again? :)
[07:51:47] <OmniMancer> the copper line tends to get DCed when you get the fibre hooked up
[07:53:07] <humdinger> A mistake, it turned out. :)
[07:58:14] <jessicah> copper line is still there
[07:58:18] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/12b96a3a64f6...60664ec2596e
[07:58:20] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 60664ec - libyajl: new recipe (#1163)
[07:58:24] <jessicah> I'm using phone tethering
[07:59:01] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/60664ec2596e...7364cfdcef19
[07:59:03] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas 7364cfd - libpcre2: bump version (#1164)
[08:01:43] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7364cfdcef19...f9e5fd153478
[08:01:45] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] return f9e5fd1 - zeal: new recipe (#1165)
[08:03:01] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/c01922fcbc75...068c105527e3
[08:03:03] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] humdingerb 068c105 - Changes to blog "Building packages with haikuporter"
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[08:48:31] <korli> humdinger: maybe you can change the filename to 2017-02-22_building_packages_with_haikuporter.md
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[08:55:45] <humdinger> korli: even if it's now html again?
[08:56:09] <humdinger> what are the chances this wrecks ahvock with the comments etc.?
[08:56:29] <humdinger> I think I rather have a messed up blurb. :)
[08:58:32] <korli> i see also html in fosdem report which is with .md
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[08:59:27] <humdinger> yes. that one is a mishmash of html and markup. or rather html without paragraphs etc.
[08:59:47] <humdinger> maybe it really is just the ending .md that makes the blurb-difference.
[09:00:00] <humdinger> I'll try with the next blog post
[09:00:11] <humdinger> (if I remember that then...)
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[09:21:16] <ZMBK> hi
[09:21:31] <humdinger> hullo
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[09:36:47] <humdinger> strange: some emails from haiku-bugs doesn't reach me. I have PulkoMandy's response to #13336, but not the original ticket creation by Vidrep...
[09:39:12] <korli> humdinger: it's a regression since trac update
[09:42:31] <humdinger> I see. thanks. hope nielx is on it... or someone...
[09:51:08] <humdinger> right. must've missed that ticket https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13334
[09:54:30] <korli> it seems pretty clear in the configuration manual: https://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracNotification maybe the settings were lost, idk
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[15:35:19] <krbtgt|> so where did attraction go
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[16:02:23] <SteveH2013> Is there someone who manages the Haiku website here?  I think the "forgot password" login facility is not working.  I've tried numerous times and no retrieval of my information to my e-mail address.  Nothing in the spam folder either.
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[16:09:19] <SteveH2013> library question: if an app returns: "Could not resolve symbol '__tls_get_addr'", then looks like I'm not linking in pthreads, right?  What's the appropriate library to link in?  Thanks.
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[16:12:29] <korli> SteveH2013: on x86_gcc2 only the gcc5 libroot.so has this symbol
[16:13:02] <korli> better to build with haikuporter because it uses a chroot
[16:15:55] <SteveH2013> Ah, thanks, I'll try that.  It's related to Calvin's port attempt of mono.  He's getting stuck at getting Roslyn compiler to run.  I'm trying to get the monolite bootstrap to work (mcs compiler from mono project) and the mono runtime app was kicking out with this unresolved symbol.  Trying now with configure having -lroot...
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[16:20:56] <fritzvd_> can anyone help me out ? I installed cairo through pkgman but it can't find the header files when including it in a c project
[16:21:14] <fritzvd_> i also installed the _devel packages
[16:21:31] <korli> SteveH2013: you're with gcc5 on x86_gcc2? the runtime_loader searchs for an ELF symbol or the ELF comment section to find out that it should link as a gcc5 lib or executable
[16:21:44] <krbtgt|> SteveH2013: /me is calvin
[16:21:55] <humdinger> If you look into the "Contents" tab in HaikUDepot of the _devel package, you'll see where stuff ends up.
[16:21:59] <krbtgt|> basically, if you use my branch, everything should just work if you setarch x86; ./configure; make
[16:22:15] <krbtgt|> i set up pthreads as the TLS model, as haiku doesn't support __thread even with gcc5 just yet
[16:23:18] <korli> fritzvd_: or use "pkgman install cairo_devel"
[16:24:08] <krbtgt|> i'm having issues but i think its deeper in the runtime
[16:25:31] <SteveH2013> I'll pull yours and try but I think you should skip Roslyn and try the mcs compiler
[16:26:30] <krbtgt|> i tried mcs, but i ran into issues with it thinking every binary was corrupt
[16:26:47] <SteveH2013> which binary?
[16:27:03] <krbtgt|> every binary loaded as a reference
[16:29:06] <krbtgt|> ill try mcs again, however
[16:29:53] <SteveH2013> your instructions on the build kinda threw me at first because there is no configure, have to generate with ./autogen.sh --prefix=...
[16:31:12] <SteveH2013> so you did a "make get-monolite-latest" and then you set your EXTERNAL_MCS =.../mono/mcs/classs/lib/monolite/mcs.exe"  ?
[16:31:18] <krbtgt|> oh yeah, forget about lovely autotools
[16:31:24] <krbtgt|> you dont need to set external MCS
[16:31:27] <krbtgt|> use --with-csc=mcs
[16:31:58] <humdinger> SteveH2013: I confirm: passwords at the forums aren't reset. ticket filed: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13339
[16:35:21] * krbtgt| waits for mono to rebuild and get to the part where managed code runs
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[16:47:03] <fritzvd_> i can only install cairo_x86_devel and I already have the development packages
[16:47:55] <humdinger> fritzvd_: didn't the "Contents" help?
[16:53:47] <fritzvd_> humdinger:
[16:54:23] <fritzvd_> humdinger: well it shows me the contents of the installed package, but cairo won't show up in pkg-config
[16:57:01] <humdinger> I have almost no idea about porting... maybe you need to specify the headers/libs and point that to where things from the _devel package get installed?
[16:57:41] <krbtgt|> SteveH2013: compiling still?
[16:59:32] <fritzvd_> humdinger: ok. i'll try to set the links manually .. still kind of defines the purpose of a pkgmanager that can install devel pkges ;)
[16:59:40] <fritzvd_> humdinger: *defies
[16:59:56] <humdinger> I'm pretty sure you're doing something wrong... :)
[17:00:48] <fritzvd_> that's what I think.. let me have one more go at it
[17:01:27] <SteveH2013> krbtgt, I'm missing something here.  Where are your changes?  Are they in your master from your pull?  I'm a noob git user.  Even if I go to your repository on the web, for example, I don't see changes in ...support/sys-time.c that you had to make
[17:02:14] <krbtgt|> you need to switch to that branch
[17:02:44] <krbtgt|> so if you've pulled my repository for example, you'd need to switch to my branch where i've done work, as otherwise you get the unmodified one
[17:03:39] <SteveH2013> and the name of the branch is...
[17:04:39] <SteveH2013> haiku...duh!
[17:06:07] <krbtgt|> git's a bit hard the first time
[17:06:14] <krbtgt|> once you know the ceremony its actually pretty simple
[17:07:38] <korli> fritzvd_: did you try /bin/x86/pkg-config ?
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[17:09:41] <krbtgt|> after that, run ./configure --with-csc=mcs
[17:09:44] <fritzvd_> korli: not yet. also what's the difference?
[17:09:47] <SteveH2013> If I'm just a dummy following directions, how would I know that your branch name was "haiku"?  It could have been "calvin".  Did I miss something in everything I read before I started or was I supposed to know?
[17:10:05] <fritzvd_> SteveH2013: git branch -a shows all branches
[17:10:09] <krbtgt|> i submitted the PR to upstream and that had the branch info https://github.com/mono/mono/pull/4373
[17:10:12] <korli> fritzvd_: or export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/system/devel/lib/x86/pkgconfig
[17:10:37] <korli> fritzvd_: /bin/x86/pkg-config should look for .pc files in /system/devel/lib/x86/pkgconfig instead of /system/devel/lib/pkgconfig
[17:10:37] <fritzvd_> that actually works! cool
[17:12:13] <fritzvd_> what is the difference with the x86 appendage though? is it 32-bit vs 64-bit packages?
[17:12:28] <krbtgt|> hybrid stuff i bet
[17:12:37] <krbtgt|> because x86 hybrids default to gcc2 because be
[17:14:14] <krbtgt|> yup, i get a CS0009 error from the compiler for mscorlib and System, making it unable to parse types
[17:14:18] <krbtgt|> and make it bomb out
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[17:15:22] <humdinger> Hey,  I expected to get another lame "badge" at the forums to be the first one using a poll... :)
[17:15:23] <humdinger> https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/quicklaunch-launch-with-single-click/5425/1
[17:15:38] <humdinger> no badge for me...
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[17:16:58] <korli> humdinger: community manager? :)
[17:17:36] <humdinger> or community pollster
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