February 17, 2017 
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February 17, 2017 [00:06:05] *** cmkat_ <cmkat_!~cmkat@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:07:49] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:08:06] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:16:43] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2.123.38.168> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:17:13] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:19:27] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-207-124.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[00:20:08] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:21:51] <ignacio> hi everyone[00:22:32] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[00:24:32] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:60a3:da4e:274e:e3ab> has joined #haiku[00:25:07] <cmkat> Hola there[00:30:59] *** cmkatt <cmkatt!~AndChat41@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[00:40:25] *** ignacio is now known as miami[00:41:11] *** miami is now known as ignacio[00:46:59] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-124-5.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:00:27] *** gmw <gmw!~w33db1tch@178-78-242-166.customers.ownit.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:17:42] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-124-5.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[01:17:55] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:22:43] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2a02:c7d:9b9e:f300:60a3:da4e:274e:e3ab> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:30:40] *** js <js!~js@84-75-253-224.dclient.hispeed.ch> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:31:33] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[01:46:11] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:47:21] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[01:47:27] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuporter] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/a7c8774e6fb3...8b40a88ce72d[01:47:28] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuporter] kallisti5 8b40a88 - Docker: Add initial dockerfile for buildmaster[01:48:32] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.46.224.96> has joined #haiku[02:16:19] *** flos <flos!~flos@113.103.4.200> has joined #haiku[02:41:41] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[02:43:47] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:43:48] *** ADS_Sr_ is now known as ADS_Sr[03:17:54] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[03:37:50] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[03:40:51] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.46.224.96> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:49:16] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:12:52] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:16:45] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[04:17:07] <bbjimmy> how can one blacklist the Deskbar?[04:18:28] <krbtgt|a> what did deskbar ever to do you?[04:18:48] <bbjimmy> I want a different image than the leaf.[04:19:46] <bbjimmy> I can patch the Deskbar once I copy it out of the system directory, but cannot run it as the default one is always running.[04:20:42] <bbjimmy> I like my Deskbar to say HAIKU instead of havong a blue leaf.[04:21:50] <krbtgt|a> let me guess, the be image?[04:22:11] <bbjimmy> I can blacklist stuff in other directories, but /boot/system seems to be impossible.[04:22:54] <bbjimmy> a small version of the Haiku image that is default on the Desktop.[04:23:23] <krbtgt|a> it's an r/o only dir because its package managered[04:23:48] <krbtgt|a> if you build the OS the normal way but put in your image, that could do the trick[04:23:57] <bbjimmy> Duh, but one can copy stuff out and work on it there.[04:24:02] <krbtgt|a> also true[04:24:49] <bbjimmy> This is yow I ger a Launchbox that does not show in Deskbar.[04:24:55] <bbjimmy> get[04:38:46] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:38:58] *** deepbook5broo <deepbook5broo!~gk.1wm.su@2a03:4a80:2:2d4:2d4:e830:6db2:a7d4> has joined #haiku[04:38:59] *** deepbook5broo <deepbook5broo!~gk.1wm.su@2a03:4a80:2:2d4:2d4:e830:6db2:a7d4> has left #haiku[04:50:21] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:08:08] *** Gareth422 <Gareth422!~Gareth422@2607:fea8:a69f:ff98::2> has joined #haiku[05:08:13] *** Gareth422_ <Gareth422_!~Gareth422@2607:fea8:a69f:ff98::2> has joined #haiku[05:08:18] *** Gareth422_ <Gareth422_!~Gareth422@2607:fea8:a69f:ff98::2> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:12:14] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-123.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[05:20:10] *** cmkatt <cmkatt!~AndChat41@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:22:05] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[05:23:09] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[05:25:07] *** cmkatt <cmkatt!~AndChat41@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[05:30:33] *** siel <siel!~siel@unaffiliated/motley> has joined #haiku[06:04:36] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[06:07:05] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:29:44] *** robcsi <robcsi!~vision@79.119.112.145> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:36:11] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[06:40:09] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:d431:6b3e:99cf:6852> has joined #haiku[07:10:12] *** rpcope- <rpcope-!~GOTZNC@162.245.217.4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:10:24] <PulkoMandy> bbjimmy: don't use LaunchBox for that, use LnLauncher :)[07:10:56] <PulkoMandy> and, blacklisting DeskBar should be no problem with the blacklist file. For testing, you could also stop the deskbar using launch daemon then run your copy manually[07:11:03] *** Gareth422 <Gareth422!~Gareth422@2607:fea8:a69f:ff98::2> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:11:11] *** rpcope <rpcope!~GOTZNC@162.245.217.4> has joined #haiku[07:11:37] <PulkoMandy> launch_roster stop x-vnd.be-tskb[07:12:48] <bbjimmy> It only blacklists if I place the package file in boot/system/settings, not in ~/config/settings/global[07:14:09] <bbjimmy> I like Launchbox, I can have a different group of apps for each desktop, :)[07:15:46] <bbjimmy> Now my Deskbar says HAIKU instead of the stupid blue leaf![07:16:46] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[07:19:34] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B1505AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[07:31:12] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:31:39] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:32:39] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[07:37:53] *** haraoka <haraoka!~haraoka@static-222-229-225-230.b-fam.svips.gol.ne.jp> has joined #haiku[07:41:52] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-123.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[07:46:30] *** cmkatt <cmkatt!~AndChat41@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:06:52] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[08:10:16] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04dec0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:10:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:18:33] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-joxygqnejqbcwcul> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[08:24:07] *** owena <owena!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[08:24:40] *** owena <owena!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:25:21] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[08:30:35] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[08:48:22] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ahlbzvbchprizfdk> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[08:56:07] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:56:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[08:56:38] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-036-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[08:56:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[08:59:08] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:25:11] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[09:27:29] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[09:30:38] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[09:38:38] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-226-196-174.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:38:57] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-242-133-87.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[09:38:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[09:39:20] <DKnoto> Hi[09:40:19] <Paradoxon> hi[09:40:40] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has joined #haiku[09:40:43] <DKnoto> humdinger, I found another problem in haikuporter, in inpaches and inrecipe functions: bash /bin/grep: Argument too big. I propose solution based on find.[09:42:28] <DKnoto> humdinger, for example: find /path/to/ports -name "*.recipe" -exec grep -ni --colour=always $1 {} \; -printf "\033[33;1m%p\033[0m\n"[09:42:52] <cancercake> hi i gave up on amd64. but as i was lurking the mednafen forums i read that there is now optional saturn emulation for 32-bit. so i recompiled: http://i.imgur.com/Wyk7aJi.png[09:44:00] <cancercake> i thought it would be a slideshow, but it's pretty fast[09:45:03] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:57:53] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[09:58:52] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:02:20] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B443F3D00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:03:10] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:03:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:09:22] <miqlas> cancercake: please, create a patchset with your mednafen changes, or a nice recipe for it.[10:09:49] <humdinger> DKnoto: I've seen that error, too and my functions are now:[10:09:51] <humdinger> function inrecipe() { find $TREE_PATH/* -maxdepth 2 -name *.recipe | xargs grep $1; }[10:09:52] <humdinger> function inpatches() { find $TREE_PATH/*/*/patches/* | xargs grep $1; }[10:10:12] <cancercake> is it hard to make a recipe?[10:10:13] <humdinger> Yours is nice and colourful, but seems to be quite a bit slower[10:10:21] <humdinger> cancercake: depends :)[10:10:50] <cancercake> humdinger: hmmm ok :)[10:10:55] <humdinger> cancercake: it's pretty much writing down what you do whan you port/build a software.[10:11:06] <humdinger> some ports are easy, most are hard...[10:11:16] <cancercake> oh ok[10:11:24] <cancercake> i just did:[10:11:33] <humdinger> easiest are native apps, of course.[10:13:00] <cancercake> setarch x86, ./configure --enable-ss, aclocal, automake, ./configure --enable-ss, make, make install[10:13:45] <humdinger> that's practically what comes in BUILD()[10:13:49] <cancercake> it still doesn't install into the right folders but it works[10:13:57] <Diver> cancercake: this is what you put into BUILD section https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/blob/master/generic/generic_cmd-1.2.3.recipe#L38[10:14:03] <humdinger> yeah, that's often the tricky part[10:14:20] <Diver> except that you don't need setarch x86[10:15:27] <humdinger> I'm not good at porting. apparently you're supposed to massage the configuring in such a way, that "make install" e.g. puts everything into the right folders.[10:15:51] <humdinger> just copying stuff in INSTALL() is frowned upon, which would be much easier (to me).[10:15:57] <humdinger> I wonder why...[10:16:10] <cancercake> i have no idea lol[10:16:55] <Diver> probably you'll need to prepend ./configure invocation with runConfigure so that correct paths are added to configure as arguments[10:18:48] <cancercake> runConfigure?[10:19:10] <humdinger> it's a hakuporter thing[10:19:20] <cancercake> oh ok[10:19:22] <Diver> yep, https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/search?utf8=✓&q=runConfigure[10:19:32] <humdinger> often that's all you need to configure the install paths right.[10:19:36] <cancercake> i haven't done any real porting before[10:21:56] <cancercake> so runConfigure ./configure sets the install path up automatically?[10:22:34] <Diver> right[10:23:23] <cancercake> well that's simple enough[10:24:08] <cancercake> can i tell the recipe to change the config file too?[10:24:11] <Diver> https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/HaikuPorter-BuildRecipes#runconfigure[10:24:29] <Diver> depends[10:25:00] <Diver> what creates this config file? make install?[10:25:12] <cancercake> yes[10:25:18] <cancercake> i think[10:25:53] <Diver> or it gets created after first launch[10:26:50] <Diver> if it's the former you can use sed to change the config file in INSTALL() section of your recipe[10:27:07] <cancercake> when i didn't use make install, it complained about not finding the config file[10:27:19] <Diver> aha[10:27:51] <Diver> well, try to create a package and see what ends up inside of it[10:28:15] <cancercake> hmm[10:28:22] <Diver> you can easily list its contents[10:29:45] <Diver> you can use https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/master/games-action/tuxracer/tuxracer-0.61.recipe as an example[10:32:39] <cancercake> i'm not sure about the difference between REQUIRES="", BUILD_REQUIRES="" and BUILD_PREREQUIRES=""[10:34:26] <humdinger> REQUIRES is what the app needs to run. at runtime.[10:34:44] <humdinger> BUILD_REQUIRES is what's needed to build the app[10:35:07] <humdinger> the diff to BUILD_PREREQUIRES is complicated :)[10:35:59] <Diver> BUILD_PREREQUIRES is what cli tools the build process needs to compile the app :)[10:36:12] <cancercake> hmm i'll just have to try and see[10:36:25] <humdinger> so. not that complicated after all :)[10:36:46] <humdinger> poke around at the wiki at https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki[10:36:54] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:39:12] <Diver> humdinger: btw, I see a little problem with https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki#setting-up-haikuports. If someone install hp using HaikuDepot and use this instruction to copy and edit haikuports.conf it wouldn't work[10:40:35] <cancercake> can i write REVISION="0.9.42"?[10:40:55] <cancercake> it's version 0.9.42[10:41:26] <humdinger> right. btw, if you install hp from the depot, do you have to clone the haikuports tree, or can you just type "hp --get" ?[10:41:42] <humdinger> REVISION is the version of the recipe.[10:41:52] <humdinger> you start with "1" :)[10:41:59] <cancercake> oh ok :)[10:42:05] <humdinger> the version of the app is coded intot he recipe's filename[10:42:57] <cancercake> mednafen-0.9.42.recipe[10:43:09] <humdinger> right[10:44:47] <Diver> wait, are you trying to port mednafen?[10:44:57] <Diver> because there is already a recipe https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/blob/master/app-emulation/mednafen/mednafen-0.9.38.7.recipe[10:45:17] <Diver> you can just update it[10:45:19] <cancercake> what i've done can't be called a port really[10:45:36] <cancercake> ohh[10:47:02] <cancercake> ok i want to try installing that old recipe[10:47:31] <cancercake> do i need to install something else first?[10:48:11] <humdinger> did you add tha line to your profile: alias hp="haikuporter -S -j8 --get-dependencies --no-source-packages"[10:48:20] <humdinger> the it's a simple "hp"[10:48:50] <humdinger> otherwise "--get-dependencies" is the important switch here.[10:50:22] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[10:50:23] <cancercake> i haven't added such a line[10:50:39] <humdinger> saves a lot of typing[10:50:50] <Diver> exactly :)[10:51:25] <cancercake> where do i add that?[10:51:34] <humdinger> a "findrecipe" function (or hp -o if you have more time...) is also andy.[10:51:42] <humdinger> ~/config/settings/profile[10:51:54] <humdinger> you should really glance at the wiki some time...[10:52:08] <cancercake> ummm ok[10:54:31] <cancercake> please excuse my retardedness. i just know some basic compiling because i've used linux. i can't even write a line of C[10:55:00] <humdinger> don't fret. :) Also, no problem with keep asking questions. :)[10:55:13] <cancercake> ok thanks :)[10:55:18] <humdinger> it's just... there's knowledged compressed in that wiki[10:55:32] <cancercake> ok i'll take a look[10:55:53] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A283B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:02:21] *** haraoka <haraoka!~haraoka@static-222-229-225-230.b-fam.svips.gol.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:06:42] <DKnoto> humdinger, readability vs. speed ;-) Many load/execute of grep is very slow and BFS is slow also.[11:08:32] <humdinger> DKnoto: changing anything haikuporter related proved often to be controversial in the past... I'd say open a ticket with your suggestion. then people can discuss it there.[11:10:06] <DKnoto> humdinger, I think that you can add two proposition for those function, readable and fast, on the wiki.[11:11:14] <DKnoto> humdinger, but readable is very slow, about 78x slower :([11:11:54] <cancercake> i'm getting "[Errno -2147459069] No such file or directory: '/boot/home/haikuports/packages'" when i type in haikuporter in the terminal[11:12:00] <humdinger> maybe a bash whizz can speed it up[11:12:30] <humdinger> cancercake: have youedited the haikuports.conf[11:12:39] <humdinger> TREE_PATH in particular[11:12:47] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-182-192-46.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[11:12:52] <cancercake> i just installed the package, nothing more so far[11:13:17] <cancercake> from haikudepot[11:13:21] <humdinger> see https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki#setting-up-haikuports[11:13:36] <humdinger> I suspect you have to clone the haikuports repo first.[11:13:57] <humdinger> haikuporter --get might not download the ports tree...[11:14:14] <humdinger> that's what I asked before when Diver mentioned the HaikuDepot package.[11:14:42] <cancercake> hmm[11:15:22] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:15:32] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:15:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:15:45] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:12] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:16:52] *** flos <flos!~flos@113.103.4.200> has quit IRC (Quit: Those who know don't tell.)[11:28:02] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[11:33:59] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[11:35:17] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04dec0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:36:57] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:40:22] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[11:40:41] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[12:35:17] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:35:24] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[12:39:07] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:40:36] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A283B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[12:41:39] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[12:44:37] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d92d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:49:40] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[13:11:55] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[13:18:13] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[13:38:37] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:54:18] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has joined #haiku[13:55:09] <cancercake> hmm i'm stuck with "'NoneType' object is not iterable" while using haikuporter[13:55:26] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[14:04:18] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vymtmyuoobecpsom> has joined #haiku[14:13:03] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[14:13:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[14:16:49] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:19:06] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[14:25:16] <Diver> cancercake: fixed it?[14:25:32] <Diver> probably it failed to parse a recipe[14:27:17] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[14:28:19] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has joined #haiku[14:29:02] <cancercake> did someone write to me? something happened with my irc[14:29:52] <krbtgt|a> 09:25 < Diver> cancercake: fixed it?[14:29:52] <krbtgt|a> 09:25 < Diver> probably it failed to parse a recipe[14:31:39] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[14:31:46] <cancercake> yeah haikuporter failed somehow but i have no idea why[14:33:41] *** ohnx` <ohnx`!~ohnx@unaffiliated/ohnx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:34:04] <cancercake> i just wrote "hp mednafen-0.9.38.7" (using old package for now)[14:34:38] <cancercake> old recipe[14:35:39] *** ohnx` <ohnx`!~ohnx@207.107.126.78> has joined #haiku[14:46:02] <krbtgt|a> awww, WP doesn't support ntlmv2[14:50:14] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[14:51:51] *** mutin-sa <mutin-sa!~s-mutin@mail.ska-irk.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:52:09] *** s-mutin <s-mutin!~s-mutin@mail.ska-irk.ru> has joined #haiku[14:53:42] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:56:03] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[14:57:55] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: maybe it could be interresting for you for a new screensaver: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractor#Numerical_localization_.28visualization.29_of_attractors:_self-excited_and_hidden_attractors[15:00:04] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[15:00:56] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[15:03:45] *** aleonard <aleonard!~aleonard@2607:fad8:4:6:bb40:5ef0:ddf0:30fa> has joined #haiku[15:06:04] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@111.19.43.159> has joined #haiku[15:06:23] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@111.19.43.159> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:08:32] *** mutin-s <mutin-s!~s-mutin@mail.ska-irk.ru> has joined #haiku[15:11:45] *** s-mutin <s-mutin!~s-mutin@mail.ska-irk.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:50:03] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[15:50:28] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has joined #haiku[15:58:25] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:59:23] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has joined #haiku[16:09:25] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has joined #haiku[16:09:44] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-veyhehkwcdzcuxnj> has joined #haiku[16:13:43] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:18:14] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has joined #haiku[16:18:14] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04dec0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:18:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:25:37] *** stippi__ <stippi__!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:28:20] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:29:21] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:32:45] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[16:35:45] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:36:48] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[16:39:18] *** stippi__ <stippi__!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:45:12] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:53:56] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[16:58:02] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[17:06:12] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:14:36] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:49:14] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15018E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:51:21] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B1505AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:53:56] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:26:22] <DKnoto> humdinger, I switched on the gcc2-hybrid. MuPDF does not compile :( It can't locate libopenjp2.[18:35:45] <humdinger> I'm currently fighting with Kodi under Linux, so I'm no help today.[18:36:02] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:36:27] <krbtgt|a> i'm kinda stuck with the mono port too[18:36:36] <Vidrep> humdinger, thanks for uploading Gutenprint to Depot yesterday.[18:36:52] <humdinger> my pleasure[18:36:58] <Vidrep> humdinger, I didn't have achance to thank you because I went out shortly afterwards[18:37:13] <humdinger> np :)[18:38:17] <Vidrep> There's also the libusb 1.0.21 package, which I've been using since last week of January. Work Ok to connect to USB scanners, among other things.[18:39:37] <Vidrep> leszek and somebody else where going to try out some printers. How did that go?[18:42:13] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[18:45:21] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04dec0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: humdinger)[18:45:47] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:45:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:46:08] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-okgrahigqaoanmjf> has joined #haiku[18:46:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[18:49:57] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:51:45] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:52:43] <leszek> Vidrep: my brother was not working with gutenprints driver. As it is PCL5 compatible I could use that to print out just fine[18:53:22] <leszek> It was a Brother HL2040 I tried the gutenprint HL1250 and HL2060 which should be both compatible with the printer but nothing really happened when I tried printing something[18:53:41] <leszek> /s/was/is/[18:58:43] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-182-192-46.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:01:05] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B443F3D00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[19:10:08] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:30:48] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:31:50] *** utanapischti is now known as drawkula[19:33:11] *** dax007 <dax007!dfbe3954@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.190.57.84> has joined #haiku[19:33:58] <dax007> hello, i've begun to learn programming in pe... can anyone help me out on how to compile a program i've written[19:34:35] <Paradoxon> dax007 you need to write a makefile for your programm[19:34:51] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-26-242.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[19:34:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[19:34:55] <Paradoxon> go to /boot/system/develop/etc[19:35:05] <Paradoxon> copy the example makefile to your project[19:35:28] <dax007> Paradoxon.. i didn't quite get what you just said[19:35:32] <Paradoxon> add all needed infos.. this means NAME = YourFancyAppNAme[19:35:49] <Paradoxon> oh sorry[19:36:10] <Paradoxon> makefiles are the way to build your system[19:36:31] <Paradoxon> i mean to compile your programm[19:36:47] <Paradoxon> one way ...[19:39:17] <Paradoxon> ok dax007 copy the file Makefile from /boot/system/develop/etc to the place where you saved your programm[19:39:36] <Paradoxon> open the MAkefile..[19:40:42] <Paradoxon> then write back here :-D[19:40:52] <dax007> i've opened the file[19:42:30] <Paradoxon> did you opend it with pe?[19:43:14] <dax007> yes..[19:43:44] <Paradoxon> ok then you need to klick on "edit project as text"[19:44:32] <Paradoxon> the symbol with the pen on the paper[19:46:13] <Paradoxon> then go to the line where "NAME = " is written[19:46:25] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-26-242.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[19:46:27] <Paradoxon> add the name what your programm should have[19:46:49] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-26-242.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[19:46:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[19:50:37] *** dax007 <dax007!dfbe3954@gateway/web/freenode/ip.223.190.57.84> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[19:50:44] *** AndrewZ_ <AndrewZ_!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:00:15] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-182-192-46.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[20:16:04] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50957 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=deb1a3197202+%5E27b0f5295db2[20:16:05] <HAIKU-irker458> 2be19c58e938: build: Prevent recursive jam loops on host-only #13309[20:16:06] <HAIKU-irker458> deb1a3197202: Revert "configure: Add host as valid build target in help."[20:20:20] *** PulkoMandy <PulkoMandy!~pulkomand@aus31-1-78-207-239-160.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:22:48] *** PulkoMandy <PulkoMandy!~pulkomand@aus31-1-78-207-239-160.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[20:29:20] *** aleonard is now known as aleonard_[20:35:52] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-26-242.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[20:38:27] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:40:17] *** jua_ <jua_!~vision@xdsl-85-197-26-242.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[20:43:47] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@bcdf1df9.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:46:49] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:46:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:51:16] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@p4FD753A9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> 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<jua_> question is, why would your code need to know? :>[21:57:39] <owenca> i need to pass it to BWindow::SetLayout()[21:58:05] *** geist2 <geist2!~geist2@2.247.196.104.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #haiku[21:58:24] *** geist2 <geist2!~geist2@2.247.196.104.bc.googleusercontent.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:58:55] *** geist2 <geist2!~geist2@2.247.196.104.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #haiku[22:01:16] *** geist2 <geist2!~geist2@2.247.196.104.bc.googleusercontent.com> has left #haiku[22:01:32] <jua_> owenca, normally you just give the pointer to the BWindow instance as first parameter to BLayoutBuilder::Group<>(), then it will call SetLayout on the window itself[22:03:52] <mmu_man> https://twitter.com/reactos/status/832691092432621568[22:03:53] <mmu_man> :)[22:05:27] <owenca> i used BLayoutBuilder::Group<>(this, ...) but the window does not resize for some reason[22:05:48] <jua_> owenca, did you set B_AUTO_UPDATE_SIZE_LIMITS in the BWindow flags?[22:06:08] <owenca> yes[22:06:20] <jua_> hmm[22:06:53] <jua_> well, to answer your initial question - the type is BLayoutBuilder::Group<> - although I think there must be something else wrong if it doesn't just work[22:07:30] <jua_> (looks a bit confusing because BLayoutBuilder is a namespace, not a class name)[22:08:32] <owenca> so no need to call BWindow::SetLayout() if "this" is passed to BLayoutBuilder::Group<>()?[22:08:57] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:08:57] <jua_> yes[22:09:31] <jua_> if you look into BLayoutBuilder::Group in the system header file, it calls SetLayout to itself on the window in its constructor[22:10:13] <owenca> ok thx[22:12:04] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:12:11] <jua_> or actually that's not exactly right: it calls SetLayout to its private data member fLayout[22:12:26] <jua_> the BLayoutBuilder::Group is just an utitlity for convenience, it's not the layout itself[22:13:23] <owenca> http://pasteboard.co/zyXfDAzXJ.png[22:14:00] <owenca> the window is supposed to resize to show the entire menu bar[22:14:54] <jua_> ArtPaint? :>[22:15:10] <jua_> hmm, I never used the layout APIs with menu bars...[22:15:11] <owenca> yes[22:15:16] <jua_> don't know what the expected behaviour is[22:15:38] <owenca> menu bar is just another view, right?[22:15:53] <jua_> you could take a look at some existing haiku apps that use the layout kit and which also has a menu bar, to see if it works correctly there[22:15:56] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:15:58] <jua_> if not, maybe it's a bug in the layout api[22:16:24] <owenca> so the window's width should be increased to show the entire length of the menu bar[22:17:33] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:18:57] <owenca> ok. i will take a look at BePDF. I converted its menu bar to layout without a problem[22:25:38] *** cmkat <cmkat!~AndChat20@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[22:33:14] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:36:58] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[23:02:24] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-182-192-46.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:10:26] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-036-012.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:15:49] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:17] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:22:28] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:24:09] <BrunoSpr> hello all... Is there a difference if one uses HDMI or the standard vga cable?[23:24:31] <BrunoSpr> should not ... or?[23:24:33] <tidux> yes, HDMI is a digital interface so it will look less fuzzy[23:24:39] <tidux> but that's just a hardware difference[23:24:43] <tidux> no difference to the OS[23:24:50] <BrunoSpr> ah ok thx[23:26:04] <BrunoSpr> so Haiku can use HDMI or VGA because it has nothing to do with the grafic card its output!?[23:27:01] <BrunoSpr> bit confused sorry...[23:28:10] <tidux> wtf are you talking about[23:28:16] <tidux> most graphics cards have some of each[23:32:07] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@209.181.88.61> has joined #haiku[23:32:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[23:33:17] <BrunoSpr> ups sorry... of course[23:35:06] <BrunoSpr> no matter if i use HDMI or VGA... both are working then![23:35:24] <BrunoSpr> with Haiku...[23:35:37] <jua_> depending on hardware, VGA/HDMI output might need different setup code in the graphics driver, so depending on the driver it might or might not work... you'll have to try I guess[23:35:50] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.8.2> has joined #haiku[23:36:51] <BrunoSpr> ah ok... if i try HDMI I get Haiku to work in Vesa mode only with my Geforce Card...[23:37:55] <BrunoSpr> If I try VGA it could work if the card is supported by Haiku...[23:38:23] <owenca> hi Skipp_OSX[23:38:39] <Skipp_OSX> hi owenca[23:38:56] <Skipp_OSX> still working on WheresMyMouse layout?[23:38:57] <BrunoSpr> No need to try because I know my card is not supported by Haiku right now... so I cannot try it... just asking...[23:39:16] <owenca> no im done with it[23:39:57] <owenca> Skipp_OSX thx for getting me started and helping me along the way[23:40:17] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, oh good, well, I'm happy that you were able to figure it out[23:40:23] <owenca> i got it to work before the end of GCI[23:40:39] <owenca> but then worked lots more to perfect it[23:40:40] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, now that it is all over, I wonder if you wouldn't mind writing something about your experience[23:41:01] <BrunoSpr> So the conclusion is ... If the grafic card is supported by Haiku... one can use HDMI or VGA!?[23:41:04] <Skipp_OSX> It would make a great subject for "Layout It All Out, Part 2"[23:41:06] <owenca> with PulkoMandy's help[23:41:29] <hundfred> ls -la[23:41:36] <hundfred> ups :)[23:42:48] <owenca> Skipp_OSX sure. but it would be limited to what i learned specifically while working on the app[23:43:06] <owenca> i still have lots of questions about layout[23:44:10] <owenca> in fact, in the end, the layout code is a small fraction of what i have done with the app[23:45:36] <owenca> i have been experimenting with converting ArtPaint to layout for the last few days but have not had much luck so far[23:46:02] <Skipp_OSX> owenca, ultimately it would be nice to have more documentation about porting non-layout code apps to use layout... as you can see it is a bit of a process, and even more of a process if you must also learn how to do it along the way[23:46:18] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15018E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:46:30] <owenca> totally agree![23:49:49] *** aleonard_ <aleonard_!~aleonard@2607:fad8:4:6:bb40:5ef0:ddf0:30fa> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:55:31] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:58:20] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:58:33] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:58:39] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku