February 16, 2017 
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February 16, 2017 [00:11:41] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[00:16:34] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:23:13] <tsundoku> oops[00:23:30] <tsundoku> I managed to run the system out of memory by giving mail_daemon a lot of mail to deal with[00:26:58] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:27:18] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:39:35] <tsundoku> okay well that makes sense[00:39:41] <tsundoku> I assume these individual system components are 32-bit[00:39:54] <tsundoku> because every time mail_daemon hits 4GB of memory usage it crashes[00:42:19] <krbtgt|a> can you process mail in batches[00:42:29] <krbtgt|a> or are you going to have to ream your mail[00:43:19] <tsundoku> the only way I can think of to process it in batches is to gradually add the IMAP directories[00:43:32] <tsundoku> it successfully downloaded many mail folders but I think it dies on the inbox[00:44:25] <tsundoku> it's only a 310MB inbox but it must be running into trouble somewhere[00:44:52] <tsundoku> none of my other mailfiles are anywhere near that large[00:45:59] <krbtgt|a> maybe the kernel does support more than 4 GB per process but mail_daemon has some tiny data structure or something[00:46:09] <tsundoku> maybe?[00:47:48] <krbtgt|a> the debugger is actually real nice if you want to poke it yourself[00:49:41] <tsundoku> yeah, I'll check it out sometime[00:49:55] <tsundoku> probably on a test system because I don't want to keep running out of memory while I'm trying to multitask[00:54:34] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[00:57:10] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:13:13] *** 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<cmkat_!~cmkat@181.141.128.125> has joined #haiku[03:19:06] <cmkat_> hello[03:32:26] *** fyzikapan <fyzikapan!~fyzikapan@adsl-76-233-224-69.dsl.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:48:52] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-123.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[04:00:20] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.46.222.13> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:21:17] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@135-23-159-26.cpe.pppoe.ca> has joined #haiku[04:21:32] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@135-23-159-26.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:20:32] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50955 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2da511c54e02+%5E90acbbfecb02[05:20:33] <HAIKU-irker458> 41f1fba51a7a: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:20:34] <HAIKU-irker458> 2da511c54e02: Update usb.ids from www.linux-usb.org[05:25:25] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed 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I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... http://youtu.be/xldmXca0kvg ...The Smiths - "Unloveable")[09:17:16] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[09:19:59] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[09:22:50] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-107-22-73-208.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:23:09] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-226-196-174.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[09:23:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[09:32:40] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:55:06] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[09:57:28] <BrunoSpr> hello all... how do I change the position of the Desktop applets in the Deskbar without uninstalling and then install them in the wished order? Is it possible btw.?[10:03:37] <humdinger> BrunoSpr: It might be possible, but it's totally easy (if it works)[10:03:49] <humdinger> those replicants seem to be saved in /boot/home/config/settings/deskbar/replicants[10:04:08] <humdinger> a flattened BMessage, try "message /boot/home/config/settings/deskbar/replicants" in Terminal.[10:04:24] <humdinger> you may be able to use Paradoxons https://github.com/Paradoxianer/XMLBMessage[10:04:47] <humdinger> to convert to xml, edit the order, and export as BMessage again.[10:05:06] <humdinger> [10:03] <humdinger> BrunoSpr: It might be possible, but it's totally easy (if it works)[10:05:10] <humdinger> ^not easy :)[10:09:10] <BrunoSpr> yes not easy... but I try[10:09:50] <humdinger> un- and re-installing seems easier...[10:10:57] <BrunoSpr> yes better uninstall and install it again.. woould be nice to have this done by just drag and drop...[10:11:21] <humdinger> definitely[10:12:06] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE52ADB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:12:16] <leszek> hi[10:12:30] <humdinger> hullo[10:12:36] <BrunoSpr> hello alll ... just getting another problem... when using Web+ to open googles search engine a pop-up window will occur..[10:13:16] <BrunoSpr> but I can not see where to click on... because the pop-up is not finishing loading...[10:13:56] <BrunoSpr> meanwhile Haikus memory will go up[10:14:25] <BrunoSpr> so I have to close web+ before web+ will crash[10:15:15] <BrunoSpr> I try again...[10:15:19] <humdinger> Can't reproduce here...[10:15:34] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:16:20] <BrunoSpr> easy to reproduce here with hrev 50887[10:16:35] <BrunoSpr> I use: http://www.google.de/[10:17:01] <BrunoSpr> If the pop-up menu shows up the memory will climb...[10:17:15] <leszek> BrunoSpr: I think webkit was updated wasn't it. I used it for some weeks without any problem[10:17:30] <humdinger> no pop-up here. hrev50953.[10:18:01] <BrunoSpr> ah ok I will try to update Haiku ...[10:18:52] <BrunoSpr> btw.... will "pkgman full-sync" work now?[10:19:19] <humdinger> dunno. I always just do a pkgman update[10:19:51] <leszek> yeah dito pkgman refresh && pkgman update is also what I use to update[10:20:26] <BrunoSpr> ok I will give it a try[10:25:04] <BrunoSpr> where to find the update link no?[10:26:08] <BrunoSpr> should be on Haikus main page!?[10:28:05] <BrunoSpr> It is not on the userguide ;-([10:28:26] <humdinger> http://packages.haiku-os.org/haiku/master/x86_gcc2/current[10:28:27] <humdinger> and[10:28:33] <humdinger> http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/x86_gcc2/current[10:28:43] <humdinger> you can do a "pkgman list-repos"[10:28:48] <BrunoSpr> ah ok thx alot hum...[10:28:52] <humdinger> and replace the hrev with "curent"[10:29:04] <humdinger> current[10:29:27] <humdinger> this won't be needed anymore, when the repos are fixed starting with beta.[10:30:11] <leszek> yeah or use the graphical haikudepot tool and click the current repo to activate it[10:30:54] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD752A6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:30:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:31:00] <humdinger> sure Repositories comes with the "current" repos?[10:31:07] <BrunoSpr> ah ok[10:31:14] <BrunoSpr> I disabled it[10:31:45] <BrunoSpr> ok found it[10:35:53] <BrunoSpr> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system/[10:37:09] <BrunoSpr> shouldn it found onHaiku-os its Frontsite?[10:38:00] <humdinger> you could say that for ever guide that was helpful... :)[10:38:53] <BrunoSpr> at least it should be somewhere on the install guide...[10:39:08] <BrunoSpr> install, uninstall and update Haiku Page...[10:39:21] <humdinger> it'll become obsolete for Beta.[10:39:23] <BrunoSpr> would it be easier to find?[10:39:28] <BrunoSpr> ah ok[10:39:59] <humdinger> searching for "Update Haiku" has it as first result[10:41:30] <BrunoSpr> I ran in the google pop-up problem then... if I try to search it[10:42:10] <BrunoSpr> I use the Haiku main site search field...[10:42:12] <humdinger> you get pop ups even when using the serach function on the Haiku site?[10:42:16] <humdinger> ah.[10:42:20] <BrunoSpr> yes[10:42:20] <humdinger> stupid google...[10:42:25] <BrunoSpr> jay[10:42:30] <BrunoSpr> thast stupid[10:43:05] <BrunoSpr> ok I have to do the restart... for update now... see you soon....[10:43:12] * humdinger waves[10:43:22] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[10:44:59] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[10:47:17] <BrunoSpr> hi again[10:47:20] <BrunoSpr> ok works[10:47:31] <humdinger> no more pop-ups?[10:47:40] <BrunoSpr> I see the google "before you continue" popup now[10:48:42] <BrunoSpr> but clicking on the next button there will not work...[10:48:56] <BrunoSpr> ah ok now[10:48:59] <humdinger> tried clicking twice?[10:49:27] <BrunoSpr> yes after clicking twice it works...[10:49:45] <BrunoSpr> ok I agree and thats it hopefully...[10:50:01] <BrunoSpr> now I forgot what I was searching for....[10:50:19] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[10:50:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[10:50:24] <BrunoSpr> the agree button I had to click twice too....[10:51:10] <humdinger> yes. it's weird... I have to click twice at the GMail interface too.[10:51:32] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:51:42] <BrunoSpr> maybe it is about the robots?[10:52:23] <humdinger> I remember PulkoMandy mentioning Google's use of ajax as a problem.[10:52:36] <humdinger> or rather how web+ deals with that.[10:52:40] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[10:52:40] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[10:52:57] <humdinger> might be only the reason uploads don't work at Gmail...[10:53:02] <humdinger> Hey Dane__[10:53:40] <BrunoSpr> Ok problem solved... go to work now...[10:54:21] <humdinger> have a nice day :)[10:56:53] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:57:13] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[10:57:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[11:08:11] *** LdM <LdM!~androirc@197.235.179.3> has joined #haiku[11:08:52] <LdM> !haiku[11:09:35] <humdinger> oi!oi![11:09:52] <LdM> Hey humdinger!! Long time no see![11:10:12] <LdM> How are you man?[11:10:31] <humdinger> must be very long, because I have no idea who you are... :)[11:10:38] <humdinger> so maybe alzheimers?[11:10:46] <DKnoto> Hi[11:10:58] <humdinger> Hi DKnoto[11:11:37] <humdinger> DKnoto: Is that keymap path of yours for the regular Polish keymap?[11:11:45] <humdinger> or a special "programmer's keymap"[11:12:18] <humdinger> Do other polish users agree it should be changed?[11:12:18] <LdM> lol[11:12:40] <DKnoto> humdinger, this layout is from Linux[11:12:49] <LdM> I'm louisdem, humdinger! Long-time Haiku fan! :)[11:13:07] <humdinger> ah. that's a name I at least recognize :)[11:13:31] <LdM> How's everything my man?[11:13:52] <DKnoto> humdinger, for programmers keyboard[11:13:55] <humdinger> Everything's fine. You?[11:14:13] <humdinger> DKnoto: so it is an additional keymap?[11:14:37] <DKnoto> No, Haiku has programmers keyboard layout[11:15:10] <LdM> Fine too, thanks!![11:15:39] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:15:40] <DKnoto> BTW. I have problem with haikuporter/haikuports. I can't compile anything because can't build ca_root_certificate/ca-bundle. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/92245884/Haiku%20OS/Haiku-Porter-ca-bundle-2017-02-16.png[11:16:07] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:16:25] <LdM> So, how's Haiku these days, people? :)[11:17:16] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[11:18:09] <humdinger> LdM: the usual. Haiku working better and better, but the Beta date just seems to slip and slip...[11:18:29] <humdinger> DKnoto: what do you try to build that needs the ca_root_certificates ?[11:18:50] <DKnoto> humdinger, mupad, bepdf[11:19:28] <DKnoto> humdinger, I'm working on hrev-50954-gcc5-hybrid[11:20:02] <humdinger> Can't find a "mupad"[11:20:26] <LdM> humdinger: Getting better and better is what everyone's really interested in! :) Now about the Beta date... Well, I'd rather not comment on that because, you know, history remaking itself d all that, right? Lol :)[11:21:02] <LdM> I think he meant mupdf... Is that right?[11:21:19] <DKnoto> humdinger, mupdf sorry[11:21:49] <humdinger> bepdf seems to be building for gcc2hybrid.[11:21:59] <humdinger> you use --get-dependecies?[11:23:59] <DKnoto> with that option I have another error: libjbig2dec Name not found :([11:24:04] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[11:24:11] <humdinger> mupdf builds on gcc2h too[11:24:40] <humdinger> I suggest using gcc2hybrid Haiku :)[11:24:49] <humdinger> Anyway, sorry, I got to run...[11:24:57] <humdinger> cu you guys later![11:25:03] <humdinger> meep meep[11:25:05] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85a6a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:25:50] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:27:02] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[11:27:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o 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<stargater!~stargater@x4db9d92d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:11:07] <Vidrep> Hi tojoko[16:11:18] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[16:11:20] *** ClaudioM <ClaudioM!~ClaudioM@168.221.158.55> has joined #haiku[16:12:04] <Barrett> hi Vidrep[16:13:11] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[16:19:13] <stargater> nice new page ->https://reactos.org/[16:19:56] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!~xemdetia@129.42.208.167> has joined #haiku[16:30:52] <krbtgt|a> so for an upgrade, i just stick in the new nightly and boot from that?[16:31:00] <krbtgt|a> it can't be that easy, right?[16:34:23] <maywork> or do pkgman update from command[16:35:50] <krbtgt|a> nothing to do, though i'm on an older hrev[16:36:19] <maywork> try[16:36:26] <krbtgt|a> i did[16:36:26] <maywork> you have to add current repos[16:36:31] <maywork> pkgman add https://packages.haiku-os.org/haiku/master/$(getarch)/current[16:36:39] <maywork> pkgman add https://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/$(getarch)/current[16:36:42] <krbtgt|a> thats explains it[16:36:42] <maywork> and then[16:36:47] <maywork> pkgman update[16:37:04] <maywork> after that might want to reboot so it can finish up[16:37:30] <krbtgt|a> oh[16:37:31] <maywork> it likes to wait before things are not in use before upgrading[16:37:34] *** auronandace <auronandace!~auronanda@2a02:c7d:4427:e200:6d41:937d:2507:c3c9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:38:36] <krbtgt|a> its doing stuff now[16:38:46] <maywork> excellent :-)[16:39:33] <krbtgt|a> haiku is one of the few OSes that seems to take well to hyper-v[16:39:38] <krbtgt|a> not even windows runs very well inside of it[16:40:07] <krbtgt|a> it has massive glaring defiencies for client usage and MS' workaround for windows is "use RDP" and for graphical unixoids "don't do that"[16:41:47] <maywork> probably since so much work on haiku is done in a vm[16:42:27] <maywork> will probably be the top OS once VR workstations are a thing[16:43:56] <ClaudioM> regarding updating the nightlies, there's a page on haiku-os.org with teh instructions: https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system/[16:44:11] <ClaudioM> I've got that page bookmarked as a reference when I forget :-)[16:45:07] <maywork> ++[16:48:25] <pisarz1958> krbtgt|a: have you got that weird bug with Haiku losing internet connection and the only thing that works is rebooting the VM? (since you're using Hyper-V)[16:51:59] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85a6a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:51:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:52:43] <pisarz1958> it could be just me cause my OS is essentially begging me to do a clean install for months now[16:54:17] <krbtgt|a> no, its been stable[16:54:20] <krbtgt|a> just weird time sync issues[17:12:10] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:14:57] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:23:30] *** Begasus <Begasus!~begasus@ptr-4p6jpioaburrm0ebtfo.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[17:27:23] <Begasus> so ... let's check the recent changes to wxqt :) this could take a while (to build)[17:47:48] *** postmen <postmen!~tonio@p5B1505AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:51:28] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B1514A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:59:53] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[18:00:11] <humdinger> 'ello, 'ello, 'ello[18:00:49] <Vidrep> humdinger, looking at some Windows CD burning apps the other day. All hard code the 4X speed for audio CD's.[18:01:05] <Vidrep> Maybe we can make that tweak later[18:01:27] <Vidrep> Otherwise everything working tickety boo[18:02:17] <Vidrep> I'd also like to update the list of tested burners[18:02:29] <DKnoto> humdinger, hp works fine ;-)[18:02:37] <humdinger> Vidrep: I think we should give people the chance to use other speeds if they want to. How about just setting it to 4x when entering the Audio tab?[18:03:03] <humdinger> it already sas "4x best for audio CDs"[18:03:15] <Vidrep> I'm OK with that too. We already have that "note"[18:03:22] <humdinger> DKnoto: on gcc5? what did you do to fix it?[18:03:56] <humdinger> Vidrep: right. I'll have a look at that shortly then.[18:04:30] <Vidrep> I'll send you an updated list of tested burners in the next day or two[18:04:47] <DKnoto> humdinger, only for some packages :([18:04:58] <humdinger> OK, Vidrep.[18:05:05] <DKnoto> humdinger, for example git, coreutils[18:05:07] <Vidrep> I really haven't done any work on it since we did the update - just using it[18:05:37] <DKnoto> humdinger, BePDF 2.0.1 also works good[18:05:57] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has joined #haiku[18:06:31] <Vidrep> Can somebody please get Gutenprint 5.2.12 into Depot (for 64 bit at least)?[18:06:57] <Vidrep> I'd like to continue working on printing, using the latest version[18:07:34] <Vidrep> However, it's still broken on x86_gcc2[18:07:54] <tsundoku> okay so BePDF not printing isn't just me[18:07:58] <humdinger> Vidrep: right. but I can build on 64bit at least while I'm at dinner.[18:08:23] <Vidrep> BePDF does print, but a workaround is required[18:08:27] <tsundoku> oh?[18:08:50] <DKnoto> humdinger, but I am going to switch into gcc2 version.[18:08:57] * humdinger boots into 64bit[18:09:00] <Vidrep> It's a bug. You have to specify the page range in "printJob setup"[18:09:04] <humdinger> Good idea DKnoto[18:09:11] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85a6a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[18:09:18] <tsundoku> ah okay, thanks. I'll try that.[18:09:24] <DKnoto> humdinger, I have big problem with stability[18:09:47] <tsundoku> speaking of BePDF, who do I get in touch with if I want to localize it?[18:10:04] <Vidrep> waddlesplash?[18:10:13] <tsundoku> I'm just getting situated and it's one of a handful of things that aren't[18:10:18] <tsundoku> so I want to fix that[18:10:24] <krbtgt|a> is bepdf still updated?[18:10:26] <tsundoku> some of the HaikuArchives stuff too[18:10:46] <Vidrep> BePDF was recently updated to version 2.0[18:10:49] <tsundoku> I keep hearing about something called pootle but I haven't looked into it yet[18:11:08] <krbtgt|a> oh nice[18:12:08] <Vidrep> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BePDF[18:12:32] <Vidrep> Look under issues for the page range bug[18:12:38] <tsundoku> OK[18:14:01] <krbtgt|a> if we're going to talking about things that would be nice: ArmyKnife as a tracker addon[18:15:57] <krbtgt|a> and if we're talking about pipe dreams, virtualization hosts (no, not qemu)[18:20:22] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85a6a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:20:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[18:21:24] <humdinger> Vidrep: how about you test the HPKG first, before I put it into HaikuDepot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5e86q88wjmfa0h/gutenprint-5.2.12-1-x86_64.hpkg?dl=0[18:21:28] <tidux> eh, I'd rather focus on Haiku being a VM guest before it grows a hypervisor[18:21:52] <tidux> virtio disk+NIC drivers[18:23:12] <humdinger> tsundoku: for translating, see https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/catkeys-translators-needed-for-3rd-party-apps/4094[18:25:04] <tsundoku> thanks[18:25:20] <krbtgt|a> maybe the MS devs will get back to my on the weekend[18:27:06] <Vidrep> humdinger, I've been using a locallly built version of Gutenprint for a couple of weeks without problems[18:27:25] <Vidrep> I'll try your[18:27:28] <Vidrep> yours[18:27:46] <humdinger> Vidrep: it's straight from the recipe.[18:27:56] <humdinger> I'll add the package then after dinner.[18:28:12] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:29:24] <Vidrep> booting into 64 bit[18:29:27] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:36:35] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[18:37:37] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@a83-162-209-242.adsl.xs4all.nl> has joined #haiku[18:38:32] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:39:13] <Vidrep> humdinger, your Gutenprint hpkg is installed, printer set up, and working OK[18:39:30] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[18:39:55] <Vidrep> Mind you, everything Epson always works well with Haiku[18:40:25] <Vidrep> Can't say the same for Canon or HP printers unfortunately[18:40:50] <tidux> anything that groks PostScript will work though[18:40:55] <tidux> and most HP lasers speak that[18:40:57] <tidux> or PCL[18:41:06] <leszek> I could try testing a brother laser printer just a sec[18:42:36] <Vidrep> leszek, good luck with that[18:43:14] <Vidrep> Generally printing works with Epson, Canon and HP printers using Gutenprint drivers on Haiku[18:43:34] <Vidrep> ...with varying results regarding print quality etc[18:44:00] <Vidrep> So far, only Epson scanners work with Haiku.[18:56:29] <leszek> Gutenprint isn't working with my Brother HL-2040. Though gutenprint lists it as being supported[18:56:50] <leszek> But as the printer is pcl5 compatible I can use that to print[19:04:34] * humdinger has returned[19:05:36] <humdinger> DKnoto: how are the chances other Polish users complaining if I apply your keymap patch? :)[19:06:52] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-joxygqnejqbcwcul> has joined #haiku[19:06:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[19:08:40] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:08:55] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[19:09:35] <tsundoku> I set up some printers on my Haiku box over JetDirect yesterday and that's working well[19:09:38] <DKnoto> humdinger, I don't know. Nobody objected.[19:09:42] <tsundoku> was pleased to see that[19:10:20] <DKnoto> humdinger, On the channel #haiku-pl ;-)[19:10:29] <tsundoku> trivial cosmetic question: BeOS used to whow CMD instead of ALT for keyboard shortcuts in the menus when it was running on PowerPC. is there any way to make Haiku do that?[19:10:41] <tsundoku> not specifically on PPC.[19:10:49] <tsundoku> s/whow/show/[19:10:57] <humdinger> DKnoto: yeah, since none of the devs objected or didn't know the Polish details, I guess it's save to apply.[19:11:17] <waddlesplash> tsundoku: preferences - keyboard[19:11:27] <humdinger> DKnoto: we can always revert, if there's an uproar in the Polish Haiku community... :)[19:11:29] <waddlesplash> select Switch Shortcut Keys to Linux/Windows Mode[19:11:37] <tsundoku> you mean keymap?[19:11:43] <waddlesplash> ah yeah sorry[19:11:54] <tsundoku> I tried that but it did something different[19:11:59] <tsundoku> going to do it again so I can say specifically[19:12:17] <tsundoku> so... this is part of the issue I suppose[19:12:25] <humdinger> I think tsundoku wants to change the "ALT" label in menus to say "CMD".[19:12:32] <tsundoku> when I look in keymap preferences, the visual representation of the keyboard shows OPT and CMD for the modifiers[19:12:38] <tsundoku> but in the menus it says ALT[19:12:41] <humdinger> Something I suggested a decade ago, too...[19:13:08] <DKnoto> humdinger, thanks[19:15:23] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50956 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=27b0f5295db2+%5E2da511c54e02[19:15:24] <HAIKU-irker458> 6b4a0ecc7463: Updated Gutenprint package for 64bit[19:15:25] <HAIKU-irker458> ecfebf3db6c3: Added Polish apostrophe quotes to Polish.keymap.[19:15:26] <HAIKU-irker458> 27b0f5295db2: Now Polish apostrophe quotes working with Shift & CapsLock.[19:15:47] <humdinger> hmm... could've squashed your two commits... oh well...[19:17:08] <DKnoto> humdinger, sorry, only second patch must be merged[19:17:14] *** AndrewZ_ <AndrewZ_!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[19:17:37] *** AndrewZ_ <AndrewZ_!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has joined #haiku[19:17:42] <humdinger> DKnoto: that 2n patch apparently included two commits...[19:17:46] <DKnoto> humdinger, I don't know how delete the previous patch :([19:18:06] <DKnoto> humdinger, yes[19:18:22] <humdinger> I only applid https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/13293/Polish-quotes-2017-02-16.patch[19:18:27] <humdinger> was that correct?[19:18:28] <DKnoto> ok[19:18:36] <humdinger> It contains two commits[19:18:44] <DKnoto> yes, I know[19:18:47] <humdinger> (which I didn't realize before...)[19:19:08] <humdinger> Everything's OK then, right?[19:19:42] <DKnoto> second patch in first commit include first patch :([19:20:00] <tsundoku> does haiku include any built-in apps for pasting and saving an image from the clipboard?[19:20:08] <tsundoku> there was something I used to use in R5 for this but I completely forget[19:20:11] <DKnoto> but everything is ok[19:20:28] <humdinger> OK. Good :)[19:21:08] <humdinger> tsundoku: not exactly sure what you mean, but Clipdinger is totally brilliant for waht I understand you want... :)[19:21:15] <tsundoku> I'll try it[19:21:24] <tsundoku> I want to illustrate the menu thing more clearly[19:21:30] <humdinger> doesn't do images though.[19:21:43] <DKnoto> In the first patch I forgot about Shit & CapsLock :([19:21:58] <DKnoto> Shift[19:22:00] <humdinger> for images, I'd say a simple screenshot and then edit with WonderBrush[19:22:02] <tsundoku> oh[19:22:18] <tsundoku> basically I took a screenshot and I want to crop out and save the relevant part[19:22:36] <humdinger> get WonderBrush for that.[19:22:51] <humdinger> You can put the screenshot in the clipboard and then paste in WB.[19:23:02] <tsundoku> OK[19:23:02] <humdinger> to save one... er... save[19:23:09] <HaikuUser> Hi, I'm trying to compile gpg2 on haiku nightly hybrid. I've set the arch to gcc5, built and installed everything. But for some reason or another it cannot find the libgcrypt.so.20 library, even though it is installed in the /system/non-packaged location[19:23:10] <tsundoku> yeah, I just need a basic image editor[19:23:31] <HaikuUser> anybody know what the problem might be?[19:24:05] <leszek> tsundoku: for cropping only you can also do this with the default image viewer and drag and drop the cropped part to the desktop and save it as a new png[19:24:07] <humdinger> HaikuUser: correctly named folder? /boot/system/non-packaged/lib[19:24:51] <HaikuUser> hmmm... i've installed it without the /boot/ in front[19:24:52] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: and development libs go in a different location (and shared libs must be symlinked to develop folder properly)[19:25:03] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: doesn't make a difference[19:25:12] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: why not just use HaikuPorter?[19:26:12] <HaikuUser> is the haikuporter version gnupg instead of gnupg2?[19:26:16] <humdinger> we only have a gpgme recipe[19:26:22] <waddlesplash> ah[19:26:30] <waddlesplash> well, pull requests accepted[19:26:40] <tsundoku> thanks leszek[19:27:27] <HaikuUser> should I install the libgcrypt in the /boot/system/develop location?[19:27:27] <humdinger> tsundoku: I find http://ctrlv.in/ is a nice service to upload images[19:29:09] <tsundoku> ok[19:29:30] <humdinger> HaikuUser: you could install libgcrypt_x86 and _devel from Haikudepot[19:30:00] <humdinger> that'll make sure everything's set up in the right folders etc[19:30:48] <HaikuUser> Is there a command to check the version no of the package?[19:30:49] <tsundoku> hmm[19:30:51] <tsundoku> must be some kind of bug[19:30:58] <tsundoku> the clips aren't saving[19:31:02] <tsundoku> I'll just have to provide them as is[19:31:56] <humdinger> HaikuUser: dunno... but the recipe says: lib:libgcrypt$secondaryArchSuffix = 20.1.6 compat >= 20[19:32:40] <HaikuUser> looks like the latest version, thx![19:32:58] <humdinger> np[19:33:05] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-207-124.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[19:33:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[19:33:28] <humdinger> HaikuUser: In HaikuDepot, you can look at the "Contents" tab, once you've installed it.[19:33:39] <humdinger> no way before the package is downloaded, apparently...[19:36:59] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE52ADB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[19:40:04] <postmen> tsundoku, i guess i asked bevore, but are you japanese?[19:42:56] <tsundoku> not exactly but ask me in 10 years[19:43:12] <tsundoku> the important detail right now is that my computing environment is Japanese[19:43:18] <tsundoku> so I'm evaluating Haiku from that perspective[19:43:23] <humdinger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tbobaz8nn4[19:44:26] <tsundoku> on that note I need to figure out how to flip canna into kana input mode[19:44:35] <tsundoku> the method I used in R5 doesn't seem to work in Haiku[19:45:09] <tsundoku> one of the reasons why I never did much with R5 was that there was Japanese support but no localization. Haiku is doing well there I can see[19:48:28] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85a6a1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[19:48:31] <tsundoku> so here's what I mean with the keyboard stuff. when I look in keymap preferences I see CMD/OPT[19:48:33] <tsundoku> https://www.fastpic.jp/images.php?file=2712521064.png[19:48:43] <tsundoku> but in the menus ALT https://www.fastpic.jp/images.php?file=4907865584.png[19:49:12] <tsundoku> R5 would show CMD there depending on circumstances (I think it was just dependent on whether it was x86 or PPC but I'm not sure) so I was wondering if I could get CMD there.[19:51:08] <waddlesplash> tsundoku: re input, idk about what we have built in, but I know there's a BeCJK plugin avaiable (3rdparty)[19:51:24] <tsundoku> I've been using Canna but I'm open to other options[19:51:45] <tsundoku> there was one I tried that had a UI that looked like a port from GTK1 and didn'T fit Haiku well so I didn't use it[19:51:51] <tsundoku> might have been BeCJK but I forget the name[19:52:02] *** lorglas <lorglas!57bfe52d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.191.229.45> has joined #haiku[19:52:14] <tsundoku> Canna seems fine but I'm trying to change the preferences to kana mode and it's not applying. could be my fault[19:52:26] <lorglas> hi[19:53:03] <waddlesplash> ah, mt's input method[19:53:36] <tsundoku> input methods on free operating systems can be a bit dicey[19:53:51] <tsundoku> with ATOK for Linux gone all you get over there is stuff like anthy, which I've had massive problems with the conversion engine for[19:53:59] <tsundoku> its context-awareness is just terrible[19:54:05] <tsundoku> canna seems a little bit smarter.[19:54:37] <tsundoku> it's old so it doesn't recognize current slang but that much can be added by the user if it really matters[19:55:25] <tsundoku> what I don't like is when I'm trying to type casual phrasing into IRC and anthy gets completely confused because it seems to rely on textbook-grade sentence structure to figure out what to do[19:57:07] <waddlesplash> lol[20:00:40] <tsundoku> lol?[20:01:40] <waddlesplash> not really surprised[20:01:45] <tsundoku> oh[20:01:48] <tsundoku> yeah[20:01:58] <tsundoku> I miss the days when you could get ATOK on the likes of Solaris[20:02:01] <waddlesplash> tsundoku: also, looks like mt's started working on Canna recently: https://github.com/mt819/CannaIM[20:02:09] <tsundoku> oh cool[20:02:15] <tsundoku> I might try to ping them about kana mode?[20:02:24] <tsundoku> because I'm weird and old-fashioned and like to use it[20:03:42] <tsundoku> mt does BePDF too? hm.[20:05:53] <waddlesplash> nah I think he just did the JP translation?[20:06:03] <waddlesplash> bepdf has been mostly me for the past while[20:06:25] <waddlesplash> not that I've done much with it[20:11:55] <HaikuUser> How do I set the default architecture to x86? Setting in /home/settings/profile seems to throw the terminal in a loop[20:13:29] <waddlesplash> uh yes it would[20:13:47] <waddlesplash> because setarch x86 starts another bash shell on top of the existing one[20:13:54] <HaikuUser> ah[20:14:01] <waddlesplash> (so you can go back to gcc2 by "exit"ing)[20:19:55] <tsundoku> well if there is a JP translation of BePDF, that is relevant to my interests[20:20:22] <HaikuUser> What would be the correct location for non packaged developer libraries?[20:22:04] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: same as for regular dev libs but with non-packaged[20:22:07] <waddlesplash> in the path[20:22:28] <waddlesplash> tsundoku: it should activate by default if you have BePDF 2.0 installed[20:24:05] <HaikuUser> waddlesplash is that /system/develop/lib?[20:24:10] <waddlesplash> yes[20:24:20] <tsundoku> I have whatever BePDF comes with the haiku 64-bit nightly[20:24:20] <waddlesplash> or /system/develop/lib/x86 for secondary arch stuff[20:24:22] * tsundoku checks version[20:24:43] <waddlesplash> HaikuUser: what are you trying to do, anyway?[20:27:00] <tsundoku> the BePDF on my machine is "2.0.1 Beta"[20:27:06] <tsundoku> and it displays in English[20:27:13] <waddlesplash> that's weird?[20:27:16] <tsundoku> yeah[20:27:40] <tsundoku> might being 64-bit have anything to do with it?[20:27:45] <waddlesplash> shouldn't?[20:27:48] <tsundoku> didn't think so[20:27:50] <waddlesplash> there is a jp translation: https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BePDF/commit/0c57d6ca0cdc1ee8df3a9a8344405d1bf8809050[20:27:51] <tsundoku> hmm.[20:28:14] <tsundoku> odd[20:28:23] <tsundoku> everything else that has Japanese available is showing in it[20:29:10] <waddlesplash> oh[20:29:17] <waddlesplash> did someone not add "make bindcatalogs" to the recipe?[20:29:21] <waddlesplash> that shouldn't be needed, I though[20:29:24] <waddlesplash> *thought[20:29:30] * waddlesplash didn't write the latest bepdf recipe[20:30:07] <tsundoku> I'm about to head out but I expect to begin digging into this stuff more thoroughly soon[20:30:20] <tsundoku> it'S really good to be running this OS again[20:31:01] <tsundoku> I tried it on some old stuff I had laying around a few years ago and it looked promising but I didn't go far with it because it was stuck at 32-bit and I think networking was unstable... some reason or other[20:31:43] <tsundoku> so now I'm back and running it on a modern machine and I'll have to figure out what I want to fix to get comfortable[20:32:46] <waddlesplash> :)[20:33:05] <waddlesplash> tsundoku: you can report an issue at HaikuPorts that BePDF is not displaying JP translations[20:33:17] <tsundoku> I've been busy with other things and always had that "I'd love to use Haiku, but I really need it to be 64-bit..." thought lingering in the back of my head[20:33:22] <tsundoku> yeah, I have a few things to report[20:33:34] <tsundoku> probably Sunday or Monday I'll get a list together and do it[20:35:24] *** lorglas <lorglas!57bfe52d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.191.229.45> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:44:14] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/98ecfe2e24f9...1a4a568a1abb[20:44:16] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 1a4a568 - audacity: Revert to 2.1.2, more configure changes. 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If we have the sources, and it does not mess too much with pointers, it is usually not too hard to fix things[22:54:58] <PulkoMandy> of course, more work needed when there is a lot of code[22:56:05] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[22:56:12] *** blight0 <blight0!~vision@aftr-88-153-6-167.unity-media.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:56:49] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, you might be sorry for answering :)[22:57:14] <jua_> If the application is written correctly, it should just work without changes :P[22:59:07] <Vidrep> I've been testing sane_backends and libusb 1.0.21 with my scanners. They work nicely, but lack the Sanity frontend that is available on x86_gcc2[22:59:46] <Vidrep> I've tried building Sanity, but of course I get errors[22:59:55] <Vidrep> ...on 64 bit[23:00:54] <PulkoMandy> jua_: no one can make things perfectly fail-safe until they actually try to run it. Same as for endianness, there will always be at least one place where it fails[23:01:39] <jua_> PulkoMandy, I know. "written correctly" would imply bug-free code, which is, well ... ;)[23:03:41] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, "it is usually not too hard to fix things" - except nobody has the time to do so :)[23:04:30] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I think you already have more than enough to do already[23:04:45] <PulkoMandy> yes[23:04:53] <PulkoMandy> but we could make this a GCI task next year[23:06:30] <Vidrep> The situation with 64 bit apps has improved quite a bit lately[23:08:06] <PulkoMandy> korli is doing great work there[23:08:13] <Vidrep> It's almost at a point where I could consider using it exclusively and forgetting about x86_gcc2[23:09:48] <Vidrep> For media playback it's no contest due to the ffmpeg version used. 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