February 15, 2017 
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February 15, 2017 [00:01:12] <tidux> waddlesplash: looks like it's missing a definition[00:01:20] <tidux> FIRST_PTY_LETTER should be defined as 'p'[00:01:35] <waddlesplash> patch welcome[00:01:58] <waddlesplash> I don't know enough about that code to feel confident enough to make that change directly[00:02:23] *** BrunoSpr <BrunoSpr!~BS@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[00:03:29] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:04:32] <tidux> oh wait never mind, looks like that's defined in emacs headers, not system headers[00:04:33] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[00:04:39] <tidux> I'll keep the patch local to emacs for now[00:10:10] <tidux> holy shit[00:10:12] <tidux> KDL[00:10:39] <tidux> https://a.pomf.cat/jyflft.png[00:15:38] <waddlesplash> oh nice[00:15:46] <waddlesplash> I don't think I've seen that before[00:16:27] *** stargate1 is now known as stargater[00:16:36] <waddlesplash> tidux: report bug, and upload the binary which crashes if possible. or even better, a reduced testcase[00:16:48] <waddlesplash> really do need the binary tho[00:18:19] <tidux> I'll boot back into the VM and attach the file[00:18:28] <tidux> ticket created with KDL stacktrace screenshot[00:18:42] <tidux> the testcase is executing the binary with no arguments... shouldn't be too hard to reproduce[00:20:56] <tidux> looks like it's a 10MB binary, I'll see if I can compress it[00:22:36] <tidux> added[00:22:46] <stargater> url?[00:23:25] <tidux> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13305[00:23:29] <tidux> binary xz'd and added[00:24:01] <stargater> we need i png upload page, and pastbin:-)[00:24:30] <tidux> or a termbin instance[00:24:53] <tidux> termbin is great - "stream-of-text-data-here | nc termbin-instance-hostname 9999" and it's uploaded[00:25:42] <waddlesplash> sprunge.us is what we generally use[00:26:12] <stargater> what is KDL-generating binary?[00:26:22] <tidux> if you execute it, the system KDLs[00:26:38] <tidux> it's supposed to be part of the emacs build process[00:32:08] <stargater> i have think kdl make only txt[00:34:49] *** AD_MOS2 <AD_MOS2!~JohnN@bcdf1df9.skybroadband.com> has joined #haiku[00:35:42] <tidux> the KDL only overwrites the top portion of the screen in some cases, especially when running at high resolution[00:38:06] *** AD_MOS <AD_MOS!~JohnN@bcdf1df9.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:41:05] <stargater> ah ok[00:41:19] <stargater> have haiku netcat?[00:43:39] <DKnoto> Yes, nc[00:46:23] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@187.0.183.69> has joined #haiku[00:46:50] <stargater> nice[00:47:16] <stargater> unix are nice :-)[00:48:57] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@187.0.183.69> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:57:25] <stargater> https://tuhdo.github.io/os01/[00:59:29] *** JohnX <JohnX!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has joined 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<kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mlejwfzeyrklocge> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:31:55] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-xorbjrybdijqsxde> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:38:08] *** Sorch <Sorch!~Sorch@unaffiliated/sorch> has joined #haiku[03:46:25] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[03:46:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[03:49:02] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9301a9ce8044...041432615924[03:49:04] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 0414326 - wxQt: Enable SDL, patch wx-config for Qt libs, fix missing headers.[03:53:35] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[03:54:58] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnkzxdmwqwhwlcyl> has joined #haiku[04:01:42] *** flos <flos!~flos@113.103.4.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed 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<mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[06:27:31] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:27:48] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[06:28:55] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/041432615924...98ecfe2e24f9[06:28:57] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 98ecfe2 - audacity: Add broken recipe.[06:29:47] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:30:23] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[06:34:40] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[06:58:21] *** kaiser 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Konversation terminated!)[16:45:40] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[16:54:41] *** u2fly <u2fly!~ufly@46.211.157.58> has joined #haiku[16:55:08] <u2fly> Hello! Anybody here?[16:57:29] <maywork> hi :-)[16:59:16] *** Foul is now known as Nycatelos[16:59:32] <u2fly> Well, AzPainter 2.0.1 released https://osdn.net/projects/azpainter/releases/67071 |So, is it possible compile it under Haiku?[17:01:12] <u2fly> Here is AzPainter developer blog http://azsky2.html.xdomain.jp/memo/index.html[17:02:43] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:06:15] <maywork> it might be possible[17:06:55] <u2fly> maywork: can you try compile it and give binary for Haiku?[17:07:46] <maywork> i don't have time, not really a power user anyway[17:11:39] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:14:37] <u2fly> maywork: ok. Can you tell when this channel will has high activity?[17:17:42] *** rkbm_ is now known as rkbm[17:22:56] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD75402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:22:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:23:47] <mmu_man> u2fly: most devs are european, so in a few hours I'd say[17:27:31] <u2fly> mmu_man: ok, I'be wait. Maybe you know someone, that I could request directly by email? (not via email-lists, hate it)[17:27:33] <mmu_man> u2fly: websites aren't really helpful[17:27:46] <mmu_man> can't figure out which toolkit it uses from the screenshot[17:27:49] <mmu_man> GTK or Qt ?[17:28:04] <mmu_man> do they have a git repo around?[17:30:56] <u2fly> mmu_man: its independed from such toolkits and use own, that work directly on top of X Window Management System (already distributed with sources)[17:31:03] <mmu_man> looks like they use their own toolkit on top of X11...[17:31:13] <mmu_man> well, we don't use X11 in Haiku[17:31:47] <mmu_man> the only option for now is to use an X11 server on Haiku but it's old and it's going to look ugly[17:32:40] <u2fly> mmu_man: it use own "mlib", so maybe try look on it in sourcecode tarball[17:32:59] <mmu_man> yes I checked[17:33:11] <mmu_man> but I don't see any reference to another gfx server[17:33:16] <mmu_man> anyway, gtg[17:34:20] <u2fly> mmu_man: maybe its possible port "mlib" firstly to Haiku specific?[17:35:53] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:36:05] <Vidrep> Good morning[17:37:06] <u2fly> Vidrep: good evening[17:38:46] <u2fly> mmu_man: is there a chance for adapt and make native AzPainter on Haiku?[17:39:01] <mmu_man> u2fly: if you write the code ;-)[17:39:32] <mmu_man> bbl[17:39:55] <u2fly> mmu_man: i'm not an author... But very interested in it[17:44:20] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:44:21] *** u2fly <u2fly!~ufly@46.211.157.58> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:45:05] *** Duggan <Duggan!~Duggan@adsl-74-243-44-198.bix.bellsouth.net> has joined #haiku[17:45:15] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85441c.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:45:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:45:18] <Duggan> greetings, earth creatures[17:45:55] <humdinger> Duggan! Thought you took another 6 year sabatical...[17:46:33] <Duggan> lol no[17:46:49] <Duggan> just been busy with work, but that's not a problem anymore... for now...[17:47:04] <humdinger> on nos... fired already?[17:47:08] <Duggan> yep :P[17:47:15] <humdinger> really?![17:47:17] <humdinger> oh...[17:47:33] <humdinger> what did you do this time...?[17:47:49] <Duggan> CEO fired me for doing what my supervisor told me to... but thanks to his mismanagement, the factory is being shut down anyway[17:48:49] <Duggan> so the guy who was my supervisor and I are going into business for ourselves[17:48:50] <humdinger> Duggan the Big Wrecking Ball[17:49:07] <Duggan> I do what I can B)[17:49:10] <humdinger> good. at least you'll be still supervised.[17:49:24] <Duggan> lol actually we agreed I'll be CEO :P[17:49:48] <humdinger> OMG. That's it... I hear the four riders approaching...[17:49:55] <Duggan> lol[17:50:31] <Duggan> meh CEO is just a fancy title... real job is pushing papers so my associate can do his job, so it's kind of a lesser position really[17:51:30] <humdinger> Doesn't bode well for our CodePal anyway... having your own business tends to keep people way occupied.[17:51:41] <humdinger> I liked you better jobless...[17:52:20] <Duggan> we'll see... I'll still have to get another job to pay the bills at first[17:52:24] <humdinger> But I guess you got accustomed to food and stuff now...[17:52:34] <Duggan> yeah... I'd rather be jobless, but as previously stated... gotta pay the bills hehe[17:52:44] <Duggan> yeah... living the highlife and all[17:53:05] <humdinger> seriously though, good luck and all that.[17:53:19] <Duggan> thanks[17:53:55] <Duggan> a friend of mine that works for the government is helping us out with some projects that should result in some government contracts so that's a pretty big deal[17:56:03] <humdinger> At least it's not for one of His casinos. You may get paid... :)[17:58:41] <Duggan> hehe[17:59:40] <humdinger> Hey, Haiku is practically flying on this old netbook![17:59:49] <humdinger> Linux Mint on it is hell.[18:00:13] <Duggan> I'm asking some of my friends about investment, getting a list of potentials there, he's staying busy with suppliers... moving forward, albeit slowly[18:00:23] <humdinger> I guess it's not so much the 1.6ghz intel atom, but the 1gb ram...[18:00:31] <Duggan> probably[18:01:16] <humdinger> fully supported under Haiku: graphics, network, sound.[18:01:27] * humdinger camps happily[18:01:28] <Duggan> graphics? :O[18:01:55] <humdinger> intel i945GME it says[18:02:19] <humdinger> but 1024x600 on a 10.1" screen.[18:02:31] <humdinger> the hw suchs, of course. no doubt about that...[18:02:36] <humdinger> *sucks[18:03:41] <tidux> lol I ran Haiku on a netbook like that years ago[18:04:02] <humdinger> Now I just need JDownloader for Haiku...[18:04:03] <tidux> of course back then the wifi stack was less than stellar so I ended up power cycling it a lot...[18:04:13] <tidux> humdinger: if JDownloader is Java, try OpenJDK?[18:04:40] <tidux> yep, looks like there's a jar[18:04:45] <humdinger> didn't work last time I checked.[18:10:02] <krbtgt|a> its only java 1.7[18:13:12] <Duggan> humdinger so in other words, not really graphics :P[18:13:49] <humdinger> it's at least using a proper driver, not VESA.[18:13:56] <humdinger> tiny stamp-sized graphics[18:19:33] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.119.112.145> has joined #haiku[18:19:39] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:19:52] *** HaikuUser is now known as robcsi[18:21:14] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@p4FD75402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:21:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[18:24:58] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD75402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[18:24:58] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[18:30:42] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has joined #haiku[18:32:20] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@sdi.iut-valence.fr> has joined #haiku[18:33:44] <robcsi> Hi, I'm running a "Haiku shredder 1 hrevr1alpha4-44702 Nov 14 2012 BePC Haiku" (uname -a) image, in a virtual machine. how can I install HaikuDepot? https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/applications/haikudepot.html. it's not installed on the system[18:36:22] <mmu_man> robcsi: sorry you'll have to reinstall, the packaging system was introduced after the last alpha[18:36:55] <mmu_man> it should be possible to install over it and keep the files, but I'm not sure it's been tested well[18:38:14] <robcsi> am I not using the latest alpha?[18:38:42] <robcsi> https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku - Nov 14th, 2012[18:40:57] <robcsi> do I need to install the nightly builds, you mean?[18:41:50] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD75402.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[18:43:35] <Duggan> mmu_man I can't recall ever actually having an issue installing over an existing install... people claim it can be problematic but I don't know that I've ever had an issue doing it[18:44:05] <Duggan> robcsi it may be "the latest alpha" but there have been many many revisions since then[18:45:17] <Duggan> I'm running hrev 50867, vs your 44702... current is 50954[18:45:22] <robcsi> Duggan, ok, then where can I get a version which contains the HaikuDepot application?[18:45:33] <Duggan> robcsi try a nightly build[18:45:49] <Duggan> https://dowload.haiku-os.org/nightly-images[18:46:46] <robcsi> Duggan, yes, I see. thanks[18:46:54] <Duggan> no problem[18:49:11] *** robcsi <robcsi!~vision@79.119.112.145> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[18:53:29] <mmu_man> Duggan: well a PM install over a non-PM, did you do it already?[18:53:33] <mmu_man> I never tried this[18:53:50] <mmu_man> I did install some alpha over older ones though[18:54:07] <tsundoku> anyone know how to set language preferences for sites in WebPositive?[18:54:10] *** SirCmpwn <SirCmpwn!znc@irc.sircmpwn.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:54:13] <tsundoku> I can't seem to find it[18:54:18] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[18:56:19] <krbtgt|a> does it not pick8~ up locale?[18:56:30] <tsundoku> it isn't doing it for me at least[18:56:53] <tsundoku> according to the bug reports I've seen it does support HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE but I need to find out where to set it[18:57:10] <mmu_man> I suppose it just uses whatever the locale is set to[18:57:20] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-3-222.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[18:57:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[18:57:21] <mmu_man> you can send a patch to add a setting for it though[18:57:29] <tsundoku> well[18:57:40] *** ksx4system <ksx4system!~ksx4syste@eris.mgst.eu> has joined #haiku[18:57:54] <tsundoku> that would be nice but if it's supposed to be taking it from locale I need to figure out why it's not[18:58:03] *** SirCmpwn <SirCmpwn!znc@irc.sircmpwn.com> has joined #haiku[18:58:59] <Vidrep> robcsi, I wouldn't bother with Alpha 4. Just install the latest nightly for the latest fixes and bugs :)[18:59:00] <Duggan> mmu_man no, I didn't...[18:59:33] <Duggan> hej Vidrep[19:02:02] <tsundoku> I don't see any language information in my user agent string. hm.[19:04:12] <PulkoMandy> tsundoku: yes, Web+ takes info from your "languages" locale preferences[19:04:30] <tsundoku> I'm working on testing that right now[19:04:34] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.119.112.145> has joined #haiku[19:04:49] <tsundoku> although when I try to navigate to a php file on a site in Web+ it wants to download it for some reason[19:05:20] <tsundoku> trying to follow the steps here to check what Web+ is requesting from sites https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8970[19:05:59] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:10:08] <tsundoku> it would be nice if I could get around that by just going to a page like the "what's my user agent?" pages to see HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE[19:11:01] <tsundoku> aha.[19:11:19] <tsundoku> confirmed that Web+ is not sending HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE in my setup[19:11:33] <tsundoku> according to the bug reports it used to not but that was fixed years ago[19:11:37] <PulkoMandy> http://httpbin.org/headers[19:11:44] <PulkoMandy> this should show you the headers you send[19:12:07] <tsundoku> yeah, it's not doing it[19:13:10] <PulkoMandy> I see that[19:13:11] <tsundoku> oh, heh[19:13:14] <PulkoMandy> strange, it used to work[19:13:16] <tsundoku> it was you who fixed it[19:13:24] <tsundoku> just noticed that.[19:14:08] <tsundoku> trying to figure out what my next step should be for troubleshooting/debugging. I'm just getting back into haiku[19:14:18] * humdinger has returned[19:14:33] <krbtgt|a> tsundoku: i note PulkoMandy is the person to ask on these matters[19:14:49] <krbtgt|a> they locked him in a room for two months to fix every webkit bug known to man[19:14:56] <humdinger> wheee, JDownloader does work.[19:15:00] <tsundoku> hah[19:15:15] <tsundoku> well for what it's worth Web+ so far is working better for me than most major browsers[19:15:24] <tsundoku> I just need to figure out how to get this header fixed[19:15:25] <humdinger> with glitches and onl when started with /boot/system/lib/x86/openjdk/lib/jexec from the shell, but it works.[19:15:47] <humdinger> tip: you need to disable checking of diskspace in the advanced settings.[19:16:44] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.119.112.145> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:17:54] <Vidrep> Hi Duggan, humdinger, PulkoMandy[19:18:12] <humdinger> hullo Vidrep[19:18:48] <PulkoMandy> krbtgt|a: it took 1.5 years actually, not 2 months[19:18:53] <Vidrep> bbl[19:19:01] <PulkoMandy> and far from having fixed everything yet…[19:20:30] <PulkoMandy> tsundoku: if you want to investigate yourself, the code is in WebKit sources (github.com/haiku/webkit) in Source/WebCore/platorm/network/haiku/ResourceRequestHaiku.cpp[19:20:37] <PulkoMandy> search for Accept-Language in there[19:20:59] <PulkoMandy> I suspect getting the preferred languages from the BLocaleRoster somehow doesn't work anymore[19:22:39] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: wrt https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13306#comment:1 I have no idea how to make pootle export with filenames xx_YY instead of xx_yy...[19:23:00] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: the xx_yy does not come from pootle[19:23:08] <PulkoMandy> it comes from the old Haiku Translation Assistant[19:23:23] <PulkoMandy> we just need to delete these very old files, and enable export of the en_GB language from Pootle[19:23:39] <PulkoMandy> (for some reason, only some languages are exported - catalan is also missing for example)[19:23:46] <humdinger> you mean delete the old files from trunk?[19:23:49] <PulkoMandy> yes[19:24:03] <Duggan> psh... nobody speaks British English, we don't need to support that ;)[19:24:05] <humdinger> "and enable export of the en_GB language from Pootle" <- dunno how that's done though...[19:24:24] <PulkoMandy> Duggan: someone requested it and there actually is a translation available[19:24:25] <humdinger> The colonies, be quiet![19:24:33] <Duggan> lol[19:24:34] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: yes, I have no idea how the export magic is done[19:24:44] *** maywork <maywork!~meiryo@131.94.186.143> has quit IRC (Quit: Offline.)[19:24:51] <humdinger> waddlesplash exported last, I think.[19:25:19] <humdinger> Also, the new catalog for e.g. Repositories is empty at pootle.[19:25:30] <humdinger> a ticket for that exists.[19:26:05] <humdinger> should I assign #13306 to waddlesplash?[19:27:48] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.209.225> has joined #haiku[19:27:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[19:28:15] <PulkoMandy> he probably knows better than me[19:31:50] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B1514A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:32:38] <tojoko> hi[19:32:52] <Duggan> hi[19:33:43] <johnny_b> Duggan: greetings master parser ... or better destroyer of companies? 8)[19:34:03] <Duggan> hej johnny_b :D[19:34:08] <Duggan> I have many names ;)[19:34:32] <Duggan> "The Great" for short works well ;)[19:34:55] <johnny_b> so it seems you're a very popular person 8p[19:35:11] <Duggan> lol depends on your definition of "popular"[19:45:20] <johnny_b> hehe[19:57:32] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@78-61-219-175.static.zebra.lt> has joined #haiku[20:00:44] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@78-61-219-175.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:04:27] *** lorglas <lorglas!57bfe52d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.191.229.45> has joined #haiku[20:04:42] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@88.98.209.225> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:05:35] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d85441c.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:06:47] <Vidrep> Duggan, actually Canada also uses British English[20:07:03] <krbtgt|a> sometimes[20:07:37] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE52ADB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:07:42] <Vidrep> yes, sometimes. It depends...[20:08:11] <leszek> hi[20:08:36] <Vidrep> Hi leszek[20:09:59] <Duggan> Vidrep there's no excuse for that :P[20:10:41] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:12:15] *** AndrewZ_ <AndrewZ_!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has joined #haiku[20:12:35] <Vidrep> I'd like to do "something" productive with Haiku, but not sure exactly what...???[20:14:00] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[20:15:10] <tojoko> Vidrep, i think that's the wrong question. Well, what we maybe could try together over the next week is simple explain videos or power point presentations with audio support.[20:15:35] <tojoko> like, in the vm, show somethin', tell some thin and capture what u're doin'.[20:18:53] <Duggan> Vidrep we could always use more native software :)[20:20:33] <Vidrep> I know nothing about writing code[20:21:07] <Duggan> plenty of tutorials out there :D[20:21:35] <Vidrep> Haiku doesn't need any bung code from me :)[20:21:52] <Duggan> hehe[20:23:47] <tsundoku> not a complaint, but just a curious question[20:23:55] <tsundoku> why does WebPositive not respect the system scrollbar settings?[20:24:23] <tojoko> not a complaint, but just a curious question[20:24:41] <tojoko> why are u usin' WebPositive and not the bugzilla or so called?[20:24:46] <Duggan> there's a few applications I've seen that don't[20:25:08] <tsundoku> bezilla?[20:25:11] <Duggan> anyway, all of this not working has me exhausted so I'm off for a nap... later all[20:25:14] <tsundoku> isn't it based on Firefox 2 or something?[20:25:32] <Duggan> yes, bezilla is ancient[20:25:41] <tojoko> well, i thought there is at least one more up to date browser for haiku in the appstore, other than webpositive.[20:25:45] <tsundoku> therefore webpositive is far more likely to work with anything[20:25:59] <tsundoku> because webpositive actually has recent webkit[20:26:01] <leszek> tojoko: wasn't there qupzilla ?[20:26:07] <tojoko> right, sorry ;)[20:26:27] <leszek> and yep webpositive seems to have a better/newer webkit version than qupzilla[20:26:41] <tojoko> anyone know how to configure hexchat to display new chat events?[20:26:52] <tojoko> oh, ok, thanks, sorry, didn't know that.[20:27:23] <krbtgt|a> ideally the web would still work with netpositive[20:27:27] <krbtgt|a> but javascript :([20:27:34] *** lorglas <lorglas!57bfe52d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.191.229.45> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:27:45] <tsundoku> javascript: the root of most of today's problems with desktop computing[20:29:41] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.119.112.145> has joined #haiku[20:30:21] <krbtgt|a> electron allows any OS the same desktop application[20:30:26] <krbtgt|a> the bad news is theyre all shit[20:30:31] <tsundoku> ^^^[20:30:34] <tsundoku> electron: not even once[20:31:23] <tsundoku> meanwhile because so much of my work happens over ssh, I can try on haiku rather easily[20:38:48] <PulkoMandy> tojoko: WebKit draws most of the widgets itself, including scrollbars. It may miss some of the appearance settings, because of that[20:39:00] <tsundoku> ohhh[20:39:12] <tsundoku> so that's how websites manage to take over the scrollbars.[20:39:20] <tsundoku> I wish it would... not do that.[20:39:46] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:42:24] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@drakevr.gr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:42:24] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@unaffiliated/drakevr> has joined #haiku[20:43:02] <krbtgt|a> and some browsers even let CSS take over scrollbar colours[20:44:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, we didn't completely implement that (yet?)[20:44:05] <tsundoku> you know what I *really* hate[20:44:09] <PulkoMandy> not very high on the todo list[20:44:15] <tsundoku> websites that instruct the browser not to draw scrollbars at all[20:44:33] <tsundoku> like certain views in twitter[20:44:45] <tsundoku> PulkoMandy: I'm blaming the web as a whole for this rather than Web+[20:51:22] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.119.112.145> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:58:00] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, how is the buildbot work coming along? Making any progress or stuck?[20:58:25] <tsundoku> I just had my first encounter with the Haiku debugger on a running system[20:59:03] <tsundoku> when it took over the screen I thought I was screwed but then I realized everything else was still accessible and it was just asking me to deal with the one process that failed[20:59:05] <tsundoku> ++[20:59:23] <leszek> tsundoku: a normal crash of an application then?[20:59:26] <tsundoku> yeah[20:59:29] <tsundoku> it was canna[20:59:41] <leszek> if you use web+ this happens[20:59:53] <tsundoku> I'm not sure if it was Web+'s fault or canna's[21:00:06] <tsundoku> I saved a coredump but I don't have time to look at it right now[21:00:35] <leszek> also somehow whenever I try to do a vlog / filming the haiku desktop for a podcast it tends to notice that and the media server crashes or something else[21:00:35] <tsundoku> in any case it recovered gracefullty[21:00:39] <tsundoku> *gracefully[21:01:03] <tsundoku> I've experienced as much in release-grade commercial desktop operating systems[21:01:10] <leszek> yeah app crashes should not bring down the system :)[21:01:24] <leszek> a kernel crash or problem is much more dangerous[21:01:44] <tsundoku> for full disclosure I'm on 64-bit too[21:01:50] <tsundoku> which has been behaving very well so far[21:02:07] <leszek> though I really never had kdl crash that I could not recover from somehow[21:02:21] <tsundoku> I'm really pleased with how far this whole project has come.[21:02:40] <tsundoku> it's... probably about the only game in town for desktop computing anymore that isn't Windows or Unix?[21:02:49] <tsundoku> unix-like, rather[21:03:22] <krbtgt|a> well, it implements posix[21:03:29] <krbtgt|a> so it might be unix-like to some[21:03:35] <tsundoku> sure but it's not a *nix[21:03:43] <tsundoku> not in any sense that people usually mean that[21:03:47] <krbtgt|a> true[21:03:48] <leszek> yeah but the wireless driver is pretty much all the time[21:04:00] <tsundoku> hm?[21:04:18] <leszek> wireless drivers are pretty much direct ports from the freebsd ones[21:04:46] <tsundoku> ah[21:04:48] <leszek> there is some kind of source compatibility layer or such thing to ease the porting/compiling of those freebsd wifi drivers[21:23:39] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@unaffiliated/drakevr> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:23:39] *** Drakevr <Drakevr!~null@opensuse/member/Drakevr> has joined #haiku[21:27:37] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@79.119.112.145> has joined #haiku[21:27:51] *** HaikuUser is now known as robcsi[21:27:52] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@sdi.iut-valence.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:28:59] <krbtgt|a> uhhh, does indeo video work on amd64?[21:29:29] *** maywork <maywork!~meiryo@131.94.186.143> has joined #haiku[21:39:45] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has joined #haiku[21:57:25] <tojoko> tsundoku, japanese?[21:58:16] <tsundoku> yes[21:58:24] <AndrewZ_> Indeo video?? for what use?[21:58:34] <tsundoku> for... watching memorialday.avi[21:59:21] <AndrewZ_> I don't think we have Indeo on Haiku but I can check[21:59:26] <krbtgt|a> it is on 32-bit[21:59:32] <krbtgt|a> it works fine with my nightly hybrid[22:00:30] <AndrewZ_> ok[22:01:07] <krbtgt|a> but my buddy's tsundoku is on 64-bit[22:07:58] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B1514A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[22:08:35] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:17:11] * krbtgt|a waits for the new hrv to hit nightlies[22:22:15] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p5DE52ADB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[22:23:24] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:27:05] <krbtgt|a> can you set the UA in WP? i'm looking in source trying to find out[22:29:38] *** aleonard <aleonard!~aleonard@2607:fad8:4:6:bb40:5ef0:ddf0:30fa> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:42:06] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A28A16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:44:49] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-196-253.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[22:49:30] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A28A16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[22:56:34] <krbtgt|a> i wonder where webkit is[22:59:23] <tidux> hell[22:59:30] <tsundoku> is it possible to spoof user agents in web+?[22:59:35] *** u2fly <u2fly!~ufly@46.211.155.79> has joined #haiku[22:59:46] <u2fly> Hi[23:02:07] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:07:44] <circ-user> Vidrep "what can i do for haiku" - GUI for: Update, wifi firmware download, installed libraries listing(including it's version, type buildin haiku or installed later), info about space used for hpkg, as extended existing "app": AboutSystem? It's a lot of work actually hopefully all this things are actually done in text mode.. i had been looking for[23:07:45] <circ-user> Vidrep github but i found only Vidrep Glass Mosaic.. so i don't know what You like?[23:10:00] <u2fly> Could some one compile AzPainter for Haiku? http://onet.dl.osdn.jp/azpainter/67071/azpainter-2.0.1.tar.bz2[23:16:24] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:18:23] <Vidrep> circ-user, I'm not a dev, just an end user[23:18:49] <PulkoMandy> tsundoku krbtgt|a: changing the user agent is easily done in our http kit, but Web+ does not expose it in its settings yet[23:19:03] <PulkoMandy> the webkit sources are at github.com/haiku/webkit[23:19:27] <PulkoMandy> look in Source/WebCore/platform/network/haiku/ for everything related to network[23:19:43] <tsundoku> does it need a recompile to change?[23:20:07] <tsundoku> just trying to do some experimentation with nicovideo.jp becauxe I think its HTML5 player is whitelisting major browsers[23:20:20] <tidux> iirc Qupzilla can change its user agent[23:21:18] <tsundoku> right[23:21:27] <tsundoku> I'm specifically interested in testing web+ on this site though[23:22:03] *** u2fly <u2fly!~ufly@46.211.155.79> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:23:35] <krbtgt|a> PulkoMandy: oh, i was lost looking for it on trac[23:26:11] <PulkoMandy> krbtgt|a: the webkit sources are orders of magnitude larger than the whole of Haiku, so it was not integrated[23:26:33] <PulkoMandy> tsundoku: currently yes, you need to recompile webkit[23:26:44] <PulkoMandy> (there is a call somewhere in the network code to set the user agent)[23:26:51] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, in the event that buildbots cannot be ready in a reasonable time, will we still proceed with a Beta release?[23:27:04] <PulkoMandy> however, in most cases websites identify us as Safari already[23:27:16] <tsundoku> yeah, I'm not sure why it doesn't like it[23:27:16] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: no. If we didn't need the buildbots, the release would already be out[23:27:26] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:27:45] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: it is already a lot of work to keep the packages working (mostly) for the nightlies[23:28:05] <PulkoMandy> it is unreasonable to do it for both the nightlies (from main branch), and the beta (and subsequent work in the release branch)[23:28:07] <Vidrep> I was just about to say the same. Great minds think alike :D[23:28:26] <PulkoMandy> it would drain the few manpower and motivation we still have[23:28:37] <PulkoMandy> so, let's automate this and focus the devs on something else[23:29:47] <Vidrep> How far along are we at present?[23:30:08] <PulkoMandy> I'm fixing various things in the recipes[23:30:30] <PulkoMandy> still no access to a decent server (Haiku inc or otherwise) but there are some options being studied[23:30:47] <PulkoMandy> and I should go to sleep now :)[23:31:06] <Vidrep> So, is that the main issue(s) right now?[23:31:51] <jua_> Yes, the main issue is that PulkoMandy needs sleep and can't work on it 24/7 ;)[23:31:52] <krbtgt|a> so uh, dumb question when are the nightlies rebuilt?[23:32:05] <circ-user> Vidrep: so why i asked "what can i do as dev"[23:32:07] <PulkoMandy> every night? (duh!)[23:32:09] <circ-user> ?[23:32:10] <Vidrep> jua, funny! LOL[23:32:49] <Vidrep> Goodnight guys![23:35:08] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:40:01] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:43:59] <tsundoku> hmmm[23:44:03] <tsundoku> playing with the mail client here[23:44:05] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:44:17] <tsundoku> it seems to download everything successfully except for my inboxes[23:51:12] <tsundoku> I guess I just need to make symlinks and make sure they're in ~/mail/.subscriptions manually[23:51:20] <tsundoku> most imap clients pullthe inbox on their own but tha's okay[23:52:38] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)