February 11, 2017 
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February 11, 2017 [00:07:30] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:08:51] *** Sorch <Sorch!~Sorch@unaffiliated/sorch> has joined #haiku[00:10:40] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+6/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8a8fa6e5911c...e44fec72d70f[00:10:41] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 4389bde - podofo: bump version.[00:10:43] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli f1ac5ed - cairo: add recipe for version 1.14.8.[00:10:44] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e44fec7 - scribus: add recipe for version 1.5.2.[00:13:58] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:20:40] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hknfikxdfbbaoffa> has joined #haiku[00:23:17] *** krbtgt|a <krbtgt|a!~calvin@fctnnbsc38w-047055087135.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nb.bellaliant.net> has joined #haiku[00:23:56] <krbtgt|a> so uh, i installed a legacy package file, is there a process for getting rid of it? i don't think its exposed in the UI[00:24:05] <krbtgt|a> do i just trash the folder it made and remove the deskbar shortcut, or?[00:29:06] <krbtgt|a> and for the audience at home... it IS gobe productive[00:31:01] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[00:34:11] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:35:22] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[00:36:12] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[00:45:12] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-23-137.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[00:46:32] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:49:28] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:50:00] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.8.2> has joined #haiku[00:50:06] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.8.2> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:58:32] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmeekrsfqxydusvn> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:02:10] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e44fec72d70f...4f11f33caaa1[01:02:12] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 4f11f33 - 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https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[06:50:00] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc pushed 1 commit to joe [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/81081ec4fdd3[06:50:01] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc 81081ec - Update joe to 4.4[06:55:54] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4f11f33caaa1...6aadf7e24d1b[06:55:56] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc 6aadf7e - Update joe to 4.4 (#1146)[06:56:20] <Not-d513> [haikuports] scottmc deleted branch joe - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports[06:56:21] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc deleted branch joe[06:59:05] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: nielx * hrev50948 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=42d4bb33f8ed+%5E3b630cb20cbe[06:59:06] <HAIKU-irker458> 42d4bb33f8ed: Update translations from Pootle[07:09:46] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[07:10:05] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[07:17:57] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[08:09:36] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-157-31-244.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:10:01] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-23-20-135-137.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[08:10:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[08:17:35] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9f7d6.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:20:22] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[08:22:10] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:26:47] *** cebulon <cebulon!~vision@pD957B7B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:28:34] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f8c9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:28:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:29:17] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6aadf7e24d1b...83b341f1ebd5[08:29:18] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 83b341f - vmware_addons: Safe SOURCE_URI[08:51:46] *** rdad <rdad!~rdad@c-98-206-31-153.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:53:40] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-197-97.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[08:55:52] *** cebulon <cebulon!~vision@pD957B7B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:58:21] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[09:00:26] <circ-user> Bonjour :)[09:00:49] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[09:01:00] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:15:04] <miqlas> Eh, new cairo? Can we build firefox now?[09:16:33] <FlyingJester> Yeah, just update the Qt bindings for Firefox. What else could be broken? :P[09:21:15] <miqlas> AFAIK the too old cairo was the biggest blocker to have updated firefox /Bon Echo build for Be/Zeta at the Firefox 3-5 era.[09:22:04] <circ-user> problem with freetype2 under MinGW.. sucesfully compiles using vs2003 not using mingw (1800 weird stuff - errors) so i found this one https://code.google.com/archive/p/lib2a/ "wait.. press Enter" Done! i like that kind of stuff, that just works![09:22:40] <circ-user> GNU code, others code? just like.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29JPnJSmDs0[09:22:57] <FlyingJester> It's been a long time since Firefox 3, and the UI bindings and platform kits need a lot.[09:23:27] <FlyingJester> Although I would definitely volunteer to write an MP4 platform decoder module for Haiku, if that was needed :D[09:24:05] <circ-user> Firefox on Haiku - for me it's probably one of most needed but on the other side, doesn't fit, slowest browser ive ever used, most compatible with everything, always working but slloooow[09:24:28] <FlyingJester> Firefox is easily as fast as Chrome, and has been for quite some time.[09:24:39] <FlyingJester> In fact, Spidermonkey is notably faster than V8 for JS execution.[09:27:35] <circ-user> my favorite is UC Browser, it was fastest browser ever, gui is rendered by opengl or just overlay, works almost the same as opera 10.10 (before html5) but this is not for haiku, windows only[09:28:42] <FlyingJester> To be fair, Firefox and Chrome also can use OpenGL to render their UIs.[09:29:10] <FlyingJester> In Firefox it's just disabled in Linux because of the abysmal OpenGL driver quality.[09:32:52] <PulkoMandy> miqlas: Firefox used cairo in 3.5 days, yes. Just when we finished porting Cairo, they switched to Skia[09:33:05] <PulkoMandy> who knows what they are using today… who know what they will decide to use tomorrow…[09:33:17] <circ-user> haha :D[09:33:25] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[09:37:38] <circ-user> there was opera presto source code leak.. maybe this one :)[09:38:00] <circ-user> hope to have this kind of browser on haiku[09:38:16] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-89-0-241-230.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[09:38:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[09:40:05] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-098-186.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[09:40:49] <circ-user> + Safari kind of history cover flow.. last seen on 5.1 version for Windows, amazing stuff that was wiped out even from MacOS version[09:43:33] <circ-user> Opera Mobile Emumlator for Windows, it's also nice.. to have it's code compiled on Haiku, this is impossible[09:46:40] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[09:47:09] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has joined #haiku[09:58:59] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[10:19:04] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:19:27] *** qeos <qeos!~kvirc@37.204.81.98> has joined #haiku[10:20:20] <Paradoxon> circ-user one of the most important things to port would be a office suit :)[10:41:13] <PulkoMandy> KapiX started work on LibreOffice and we added it to our google summer of code ideas[10:41:53] <circ-user> probably but html5 enabled browser also, since lot of software moved to cloud you can achieve same effect by html5 browser + onecloud, gdrive, dropbox clients and just offline office viewer[10:42:29] <PulkoMandy> the browser supports a large part of html5 already[10:43:21] <Paradoxon> Just make it a little stabler would do the trick :-D[10:43:35] <circ-user> for example: linux and even pcbsd/freebsd has got the office suite, cad software, html5 clients but there is no user friendly easy to use google drive, dropbox, onedrive etc clients. there are some but limited for example dropbox is only for nautilius, grive2 is hard to install (for me, opensuse it was) and it's very sloow[10:44:19] <Paradoxon> so it would be best to write some filesystem addons for this..[10:44:22] <Paradoxon> :-)[10:44:27] <Paradoxon> like there was one for ftp..[10:44:33] <Paradoxon> just mount it .. and here you go :-D[10:44:42] <PulkoMandy> yes, dropbox FS addon would be great[10:47:05] <Paradoxon> sad that we dont have the sources for the ftp fs addon :-D[10:47:51] <jua_> there's several FUSE modules for things like dropbox, getting them to work on Haiku probably isn't hard[10:50:24] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[10:50:32] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:50:55] <PulkoMandy> jua_: the only one I found was written in Python, which somewhat adds to the challenge[10:51:40] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[10:51:40] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[10:51:51] <circ-user> so.. there are always many ways for achieve same effect, some ways are just to make same mistakes as other os.. it's good to have libreoffice, it's good to have web browser for me personally to have google drive and dropbox client, is maybe even more important than to have office suite, with officesuite build in, haiku would be nothing more than ju[10:51:52] <circ-user> st another "linux" distro, faster? probably not, smaller? probably not smaller than slax, easy to use? probably not easier than ubuntu etc. i hope haiku won't mimic other opensource projects, just the best ones, for example hpkg is one of the coolest things You have, to have native cloud clients + BeFS advantages to intex files.. well but i can on[10:51:52] <circ-user> ly share opinions, nice to have libreoffice, nice to have firefox, it's nice but not unique.. this is opinion only, probably useless.. founding money or something, all force to have google drive client, dropbox client, something like that, Google Summer Code and building concurent project "Orracle" on Haiku.. :/[10:55:51] <circ-user> from coding perspective is good, from must have perspective is probably good, but from being somehow unique in way of being made, it's not unique, from company interest(companies that can push this project step forward by their support) some ways are just neutral, some other are could bring their attention[10:57:07] <circ-user> in my opinion to have libreoffice can bring attention of users, but it's not enought, just look at linux - it's nice os, have almost everything and so what? where are the users?[10:57:26] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: humdinger * hrev50949 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=cf0ba058ecc5+%5E42d4bb33f8ed[10:57:27] <HAIKU-irker458> cf0ba058ecc5: Add localization to package daemon and solver[10:58:24] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:58:31] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[11:00:53] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[11:02:15] <Paradoxon> circ-user there are ideas / plans for a nativ office suite and a index_service... with support for translators and so on .... but manpower and time is missing :-D[11:05:05] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3455 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/3455 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:05:08] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B0861CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:05:13] <prOSy_n8Ly> hiya[11:05:28] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3475 of haiku-master-arm is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-mmc] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-arm/builds/3475 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:05:39] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3316 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3316 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:05:58] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3225 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3225 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:06:23] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3320 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3320 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:07:07] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3440 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3440 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:07:45] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3160 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/3160 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:08:01] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:08:29] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3372 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3372 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:09:30] <circ-user> i'm not writing about native office suite, index_service well, when you say Be, wha not say C? why say L? i just write my personal opinion, last time i used libreoffice month ago to write my CV, used Calc maybe for week, of course it's must have on any OS, just like the browser Firefox is the best one most compatible.. im not trying to depreciate t[11:09:30] <circ-user> hese works, but for example to have google drive client written on google code summer would be..ok, forget it, im not Haiku CEO ;) writing these words to him..whoever he is? humdinger?[11:10:13] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:11:39] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f8c9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:12:43] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f8c9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[11:12:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[11:14:49] <Paradoxon> circ-user there is no ceo... since we are opensource[11:14:50] <Paradoxon> :-D[11:15:56] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:26] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:18:47] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/83b341f1ebd5...0172b6dce562[11:18:49] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 0172b6d - exiftool: bump to 10.42 (development release)[11:18:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3409 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/3409 blamelist: Humdinger <humdingerb at gmail dot com>[11:25:41] <circ-user> Paradonxon - Linux is also opensource and gues what? there is ceo of linux foundation, GNU tools such as GCC are opensource, guess what there is ceo, libreoffice is opensource but gues who accept pull request, there is lot of foundations all over the world, just face the fact coprorative world changed to foundrasing, and foundation kind of founding[11:25:42] <circ-user> and management, but.. anarchy doesnt work! there is, and there always should be someone responsible, some hierarchy even when you go with friends to trip there is always some kind of invisible tasks given to each one, of course lot is made just by accident, chaos.. car without driver can only crash, that's why our civilisation is built just like i[11:25:42] <circ-user> t's built.. so i hope there is ceo and he is drivin ;)[11:30:28] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC22F08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[11:30:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:30:38] <PulkoMandy> computers can drive cars now :>[11:30:55] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[11:36:48] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0172b6dce562...a71afbcd85a8[11:36:50] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson a71afbc - vmware_addons: make "VMware add-ons" a relative symlink.[11:38:20] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f8c9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[11:58:18] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:01:07] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-197-97.dsl.scarlet.be> has left #haiku[12:04:13] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-099-148.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[12:04:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[12:08:04] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-098-186.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:12:24] <krbtgt|a> re: browser discussion a few hrs ago... port electron and you get a LOT of stuff for free[12:12:29] <krbtgt|a> the catch is it all sucks ;)[12:23:25] *** siel <siel!~siel@unaffiliated/motley> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:28:01] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:50d9:4693:3758:4822> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:30:14] *** Kernel86 <Kernel86!~Kernel86@cpe-69-23-104-66.new.res.rr.com> has quit IRC ()[12:31:22] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[12:36:49] *** Kernel86 <Kernel86!~Kernel86@cpe-69-23-104-66.new.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[12:42:25] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a71afbcd85a8...fb4e1dc0af0e[12:42:27] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson fb4e1dc - jbig2dec: remove libtool file, add TEST.[12:45:41] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[12:45:42] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[12:45:42] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[12:47:49] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:48:23] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[12:53:10] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[13:01:01] *** mikedld <mikedld!~mikedld@mikedld.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:02:00] *** mikedld <mikedld!~mikedld@mikedld.com> has joined #haiku[13:02:38] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@79-73-147-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:08:48] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[13:15:25] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e20b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:28:21] <stargater> https://www.flickr.com/photos/21699268@N00/83290071/[13:29:39] *** Goggen <Goggen!~chatzilla@155.92-221-106.customer.lyse.net> has joined #haiku[13:30:18] <Goggen> Hello! I wish to congratulate you guys on your awesome progress![13:30:59] <Goggen> Ever since I sold my Acer Aspire and bought Macbook Air, I haven´t been fully able to run Haiku. MacBook Air didn´t boot Haiku.[13:31:06] <Goggen> But it does now![13:31:33] <Goggen> It seems the USB3 issues are at least partially solved.[13:32:01] <Goggen> Still some problems though. But it boots![13:33:30] <Goggen> How is support for USB network adapters? Macbook Air lacks wired internet, and has a proprietary wifi chip. I have a USB network card I might use, if supported by Haiku.[13:36:13] <johnny_b> hello[13:36:41] <johnny_b> why don't you try it with haiku?[13:38:21] <Goggen> Any chance it would work at all? I seem to remember people saying Haiku does not support USB network adaters, or indeed any other USB devices besides mass storage?[13:39:13] <johnny_b> my guess is the same but better to try it or wait for somebody with more knowledge on USB adapters 8)[13:40:04] <Goggen> There is also an issue with Haiku and graphicks on this Macbook Air. It gives VESA graphics with 8 bit color per pixel. Very limitet color. Not good for everyday use. But cool to get it booting finally![13:42:38] <PulkoMandy> Goggen: we have two drivers for USB ethernet chipsets (davicom and asix)[13:42:56] <krbtgt|a> i'm curious, has anyone tried to port mono to haiku?[13:43:04] <PulkoMandy> these have to be native drivers, we can't use FreeBSD ones because we don't have compatibility with FreeBSD USB[13:43:16] <Goggen> Really, you mean some USB network cards will work?[13:43:21] <PulkoMandy> jessicah may give you some advice, I think she use a thunderbolt adapter and that works out of the box too[13:43:29] <PulkoMandy> yes, but you have to find the right ones[13:43:34] <PulkoMandy> (or we need to write more drivers)[13:43:40] <PulkoMandy> krbtgt|a: I think puckipedia did?[13:43:50] <PulkoMandy> (not sure how far he got it)[13:44:17] <Goggen> How can I see if mine is "right"? What do I do to get it working, if it is right? Will it work out of the box?[13:44:36] <Goggen> It came with a ASUS Zenbook, but works in OSX.[13:44:41] <PulkoMandy> yes, just plug it in and see if it shows up in network preferences[13:45:12] <Goggen> Must it be present during boot? Or will it configure itself if i plug it in after booting?[13:45:23] <PulkoMandy> hot plug should work[13:45:44] <PulkoMandy> actually we have 3 drivers! and the third one is for standard usb_ecm[13:46:10] <PulkoMandy> I don't know if it is used often by usb ethernet adapters, but it is the thing you would find as "usb tethering" on most phones[13:46:19] <PulkoMandy> so worst case, you can use a mobile phone as a wifi adapter?[13:46:45] <Goggen> Nice. Will try it then. And I hope for more drivers, som Haiku-users can use more hardware. Finding supported hardware is such a task.[13:47:10] <Goggen> I will test it with both my ASUS network card and my phone then.[13:47:13] <krbtgt|a> oh btw, if someone hasn't tried it before, Haiku works fine in Hyper-V, albeit in the gen1 VM and using the old non-paravirtual tulip ethernet[13:50:43] *** Goggen <Goggen!~chatzilla@155.92-221-106.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:51:16] <stargater> it is posiple to write a kernel driver in c?[13:51:35] <PulkoMandy> yes[13:52:06] <stargater> ok, have we a little howto?[13:53:53] <johnny_b> check the documentation or the old be newsletters[13:54:09] <PulkoMandy> yes, BeOS drivers API is C based and still working for Haiku[13:54:55] <stargater> the beos kernel are in c :-)[13:55:24] <stargater> i cant found[13:55:49] <PulkoMandy> https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/device_driver_basics[13:55:54] <krbtgt|a> i should have really just downloaded a tarball instead of trying to resolve deltas for a ~400 MB repo[13:57:49] <krbtgt|a> on the other hand, it is a great workout[13:57:59] <PulkoMandy> there is an index here for Be Newsletter material: http://testou.free.fr/www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/aboutbe/benewsletter/article_index.html[13:58:04] <PulkoMandy> just search for "driver" there[14:02:32] <stargater> thx[14:03:57] *** prOSy_n8Ly <prOSy_n8Ly!~prOSy@p5B0861CF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[14:08:53] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:10:14] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[14:10:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[14:11:30] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #haiku[14:13:58] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkrqgxnntevnaofs> has joined #haiku[14:14:34] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkrqgxnntevnaofs> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:14:35] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has joined #haiku[14:14:35] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has quit IRC (Changing host)[14:14:35] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkrqgxnntevnaofs> has joined #haiku[14:16:34] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50950 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=100775b79017+%5Ecf0ba058ecc5[14:16:35] <HAIKU-irker458> 100775b79017: Fix build on Linux[14:17:52] <krbtgt|a> it's checking out[14:22:00] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p5DC22F08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:24:01] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3476 of haiku-master-arm is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-arm/builds/3476[14:37:32] *** js <js!~js@webkeks.org> has joined #haiku[14:37:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[14:40:35] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3317 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3317[14:45:01] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3441 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/3441[14:46:37] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3456 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/3456[14:46:40] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3226 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/3226[14:50:09] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3321 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/3321[14:53:04] <puckipedia> <PulkoMandy> krbtgt|a: I think puckipedia did? ← yeah, I got some stuff at https://github.com/puckipedia/mono; it compiles and runs through the tests fine iirc. However it uses the boehm GC instead of the newer one[14:58:00] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:02:41] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3161 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/3161[15:04:29] *** Klima <Klima!~Klima@static-78-8-176-191.ssp.dialog.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Quiit...)[15:08:14] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3373 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/3373[15:08:34] *** Goggen <Goggen!~chatzilla@155.92-221-106.customer.lyse.net> has joined #haiku[15:09:28] <Goggen> Hello. I tested connecting my USB network card to my Macbook Air booting Haiku from a USB drive.[15:10:09] <Goggen> Booting fails when loading desktop, if the network adapter is plugged in during boot.[15:10:52] <Goggen> It can be plugged in after booting instead. It is recognised as Asix. But there is no connection.[15:11:42] <Goggen> Any ideas? It works fine with my Linux box.[15:12:34] <PulkoMandy> Goggen: well, possibly USB3 problems, or maybe the Asix driver needs some rework[15:13:53] <Goggen> Maybe. But having Haiku recognize the hardware is a good step in the right direction. Many laptops only have Wifi these days, with nonfree drivers.[15:16:22] <Goggen> I could not get mobile working.[15:16:49] <Goggen> Does Haiku support USB tethering?[15:17:07] <PulkoMandy> yes, the usb_ecm driver should do that[15:18:08] <Goggen> How do I activate that? It did not automatically appear in Haiku. I did tell the phone to do it, but not Haiku.[15:20:36] <PulkoMandy> it should be recognized just like the other usb adapter[15:20:42] <PulkoMandy> but maybe the driver isn't complete enough yet[15:20:44] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29BEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[15:21:00] <PulkoMandy> you can submit a bug report with "listusb -v" of your phone[15:21:55] <Goggen> Might do that later. Thank you. Goodbye :-)[15:22:17] *** Goggen <Goggen!~chatzilla@155.92-221-106.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 51.0.1/20170125094131])[15:24:19] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3410 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/3410[15:28:04] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has joined #haiku[15:29:27] <AndrewZ> @Diver Здравствуйте Diver[15:30:25] <AndrewZ> @Barrett good morning Mr Barrett[15:31:37] <Diver> AndrewZ: heya[15:32:11] <AndrewZ> DIver, вы русский?[15:32:28] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:32:46] <Diver> AndrewZ: yep, but this is an english speaking channel :)[15:32:54] <AndrewZ> ok[15:33:05] <AndrewZ> I saw this link for BeOS on QEMU[15:33:07] <AndrewZ> https://qube.ru/gallery/beos-505-na-beos-505-v-qemu[15:33:18] <AndrewZ> I am looking for a BeOS ISO[15:33:26] <AndrewZ> so I can try this also[15:34:07] <Diver> IIRC this was just another BeOS distro[15:34:46] <AndrewZ> I would like to run BeOS under Haiku as a demo[15:37:18] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:a5ef:bd46:5c5b:af14:1e5f> has joined #haiku[15:43:29] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[16:03:40] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A29BEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[16:08:13] *** Manchotix <Manchotix!~Manchotix@ip-178-202-194-178.hsi09.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:08:25] *** flos <flos!~flos@121.32.69.127> has joined #haiku[16:13:53] *** flos <flos!~flos@121.32.69.127> has quit IRC (Quit: Those who know don't tell.)[16:15:00] *** flos <flos!~flos@121.32.69.127> has joined #haiku[16:16:21] *** flos <flos!~flos@121.32.69.127> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:30:53] <krbtgt|a> does haiku have a real hypervisor yet, not qemu sw emul[16:30:56] <krbtgt|a> ?[16:31:13] <PulkoMandy> no[16:56:19] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[17:05:01] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f8c9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:05:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:05:34] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: thanks for fixing the build...[17:05:52] <PulkoMandy> no problem, that was not too hard to fix :)[17:06:35] <humdinger> once the import into pootle is fixed, we'll see if it even works...[17:09:55] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:16:38] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[17:21:41] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[17:24:21] *** Goggen <Goggen!~chatzilla@155.92-221-106.customer.lyse.net> has joined #haiku[17:26:33] <Goggen> Hi. I´ve got my first laptop that does not support old fashioned BIOS. Lenovo Ideapad MIIX300. Any hope of running Haiku on it? The Setup boot menu can´t even detect the USB stick. But it works when booting Windows recovery.[17:28:25] <Goggen> What will it take for a EFI-only computer to boot from a USB stick? As mentioned, I fint the boot menu, but it only recognizes USB-sticks with Windows.[17:29:11] <humdinger> maybe Premislaus post can help: https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/loading-haiku-on-efi-computer-with-grub2/5355[17:29:32] <humdinger> I have no idea about Haiku on EFI[17:33:02] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.129.156> has joined #haiku[17:33:22] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:35:13] <krbtgt|a> so with EFI, make sure your bootable disk has a FAT32 partition with the bootloader on[17:36:37] <krbtgt|a> the nice thing about EFI is that it makes a lot of things easier in the end like with OF et al[17:36:40] <krbtgt|a> its just x86 is going throug teething troubles with it all[17:37:00] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has joined #haiku[17:47:25] *** Goggen <Goggen!~chatzilla@155.92-221-106.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:54:13] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.129.156> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:54:42] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.129.156> has joined #haiku[18:18:19] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkrqgxnntevnaofs> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[18:30:13] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:35:23] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has joined #haiku[18:36:14] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:36:45] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:38:13] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:41:05] <krbtgt|a> alright, let's see if we can get past configure[18:41:47] <krbtgt|a> "Posix system lacks support for recursive mutexes"[18:42:27] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:42:34] <Vidrep> Hi[18:42:50] *** AndrewZ <AndrewZ!6202ca5a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.2.202.90> has joined #haiku[18:44:22] <krbtgt|a> plus some pthread errors, oh boy[18:47:21] <krbtgt|a> before i send it off to the Mono people, take a look at the output http://ix.io/1T6q[18:47:58] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, when you do your GPT partitions, do you use Haiku or a third party tool (i.e. PartedMagic)[18:48:45] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[18:58:56] <humdinger> Hi Vidrep[18:59:08] <humdinger> krbtgt|a: this may apply: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/Common-Issues-when-Porting-Games#where-are-pthreads[19:01:09] <Vidrep> humdinger, I have to go out for a bit. I've been playing with GPT partitions again, and found a few Haiku oddities.[19:01:36] <humdinger> I'm a GPT ignoramous...[19:01:43] <Vidrep> Me too :)[19:02:22] <Vidrep> For me, it'snot limited to GPT[19:02:45] * krbtgt|a musters the strength to touch autotools[19:02:53] <humdinger> "You know nothing, Bob Snow"[19:03:07] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I use Haiku, what else? :)[19:03:35] <Vidrep> Hey PulkoMandy![19:03:39] <PulkoMandy> hi![19:04:16] <Vidrep> Remember the little experiment I did with GPT partitions and the Haiku boot menu a while ago?[19:04:42] *** D-Morph <D-Morph!~D-Morph@91.186.71.5> has joined #haiku[19:05:46] <Vidrep> I tried again last night and again this morning. The steps to make the Haiku boot menu work only applies if the disk is partitioned with Haiku.[19:06:26] <Vidrep> Partitioning the disk using PartedMagic does not work.[19:07:43] <Vidrep> Installing the boot menu using a older build still works, even after a pkgman update. Fresh installs - it does not work.[19:08:44] <Vidrep> Can you provide your email? I'd like to outline the steps to replicate.[19:09:03] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: well, I tested things and confirmed that the boot menu is not supposed to work[19:09:17] <PulkoMandy> it uses the same sectors as the GPT headers, so it erases it[19:09:27] <Vidrep> "Not supposed to work"[19:09:27] *** D-Morph <D-Morph!~D-Morph@91.186.71.5> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.motherjones.com/files/imagecache/top-of-content-image/obama_pointing_630.png)[19:09:34] <PulkoMandy> the system still works, but only because the backup of GPT (at the end of the disk) is still there[19:09:57] <PulkoMandy> if you do anything to your partitions (create or delete, or even initialize), the main GPT sectors are rewritten, erasing the boot menu[19:10:09] <Vidrep> Yes[19:10:30] <PulkoMandy> so if you first create all partitions, format them, etc, and only then install the boot menu, you have a booting system[19:10:45] <PulkoMandy> but no GPT backup and the risk of erasing the menu as soon as you make any change to partitions[19:10:48] <Vidrep> Exactly[19:11:07] <PulkoMandy> ok then, everything is "as expected". But now we need to make it better :D[19:11:12] <Vidrep> OK, so no need to elaborate further[19:11:33] <PulkoMandy> I discussed this with a colleague who is a bit more versed in the Linux way of doing this[19:11:58] <PulkoMandy> grub creates a special partition to store the bootloader, and they have a small boot code to locate that partition and load the bootloader from there[19:12:03] <PulkoMandy> I think we could do the same[19:12:26] <Vidrep> I used hrev70701 to create the partitions, boot menu, etc, then did a pkgman update to each.[19:12:34] <Vidrep> hrev50701[19:13:19] <Vidrep> As long as writembr and BootManager are not invoked after the pkgman update, all is well[19:14:31] <Vidrep> One other problem remains. That being the inability of the Haiku boot menu to boot any partition beyond 2.2TB[19:15:12] <Vidrep> The only way to boot any partition beyond 2.2TB is with the installation CD[19:15:55] <Vidrep> i.e. hitting the space bar and selecting the partition to boot[19:17:24] <PulkoMandy> well you don't need the CD to do that, you can do it from another partition in your hdd too[19:17:24] <krbtgt|a> ok, found it in configure.ac.... now to regen with autogen[19:17:50] <PulkoMandy> but yes, we should fix that too[19:18:00] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, is this something we could implement before the Beta?[19:18:34] <Vidrep> I know the timeline keeps getting pushed back[19:20:39] <Vidrep> bbl[19:22:45] <krbtgt|a> wait what[19:22:54] <krbtgt|a> there's haiku already inside of this configure script[19:24:32] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I don't know. I wont work on it because I have more important things to do, but if someone comes up with a patch…[19:24:47] <PulkoMandy> I think doing it properly will require more changes than is reasonable[19:24:51] <PulkoMandy> maybe for beta2 :)[19:25:10] *** ADS_Sr_ <ADS_Sr_!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[19:27:11] * krbtgt|a continues hitting autotools[19:27:13] *** ADS_Sr <ADS_Sr!~ADS_Sr@cpe-173-175-17-54.hot.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:27:15] *** ADS_Sr_ is now known as ADS_Sr[19:28:13] <krbtgt|a> doing a grep through the tree, it seems inside of non-vendor (read: actually mono) code there's ifdefs for haiku[19:28:20] <krbtgt|a> so some of the other guy's work got upstreamed[19:29:04] <krbtgt|a> so it seems something kinda bitrotted with the configure script[19:34:41] <krbtgt|a> mmmm, need to make configure spit out that error[19:34:46] <miqlas> PulkoMandy: would it make sense to have openPam ported to haiku?[19:40:42] <PulkoMandy> I don't know[19:43:05] <AndrewZ> @miqlas hey Miqlas[19:43:13] <miqlas> hi[19:43:26] <AndrewZ> Blender is running?[19:45:20] <krbtgt|a> https://github.com/mono/mono/blob/master/configure.ac#L1916 this looks to be the switch block to edit[19:46:52] <krbtgt|a> i'm trying something like: *-*-*haiku*) [newline] AC_CHECK_LIB(pthread, main, LIBS="$LIBS")[19:46:58] <krbtgt|a> it doesnt seem to change the pproblem, howevber[19:47:47] <PulkoMandy> do you regenerate the configure script?[19:47:48] <krbtgt|a> interestingly, the recursive mutec check is in a TRY_COMPILE block[19:47:55] <krbtgt|a> i'm regenerating it every time i edit[19:47:59] <PulkoMandy> also, this should use AC_SEARCH_LIBS instead[19:51:21] <krbtgt|a> or should the C compiler actually be called with -pthread (not -l)?[19:51:28] <krbtgt|a> i've tried both without -pthread and with[19:52:32] <PulkoMandy> it should be called with nothing at all for Haiku[19:52:41] <PulkoMandy> pthreads are enabled by default and part of our main C library[19:53:43] <krbtgt|a> for kicks i tried -lroot (out of desperation) and that didnt take either[19:53:58] <krbtgt|a> tempted to excise the recursive mutex check[19:54:17] <PulkoMandy> checked what it says in the configure.log?[19:54:39] <PulkoMandy> it should tell the commands it runs, and the result there[19:55:03] <krbtgt|a> i don't have a configure.log[19:55:24] <PulkoMandy> config.log? I dont remember[19:55:49] <krbtgt|a> oh, there[19:56:10] <krbtgt|a> i'm regenerating it again and doing configure again, so hold on while that finished up[19:57:46] *** King_Warg1 <King_Warg1!~Wildman@184-15-195-193.dsl2.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has joined #haiku[19:59:10] *** King_Warg <King_Warg!~Wildman@184-15-126-135.dr02.chtn.wv.frontiernet.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[19:59:44] <krbtgt|a> hahahah, found it[20:00:32] <krbtgt|a> http://ix.io/1T6L[20:00:56] <krbtgt|a> seearch for "RECURSIVE"[20:01:18] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5ed92e6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.46.110> has joined #haiku[20:01:32] <krbtgt|a> wait[20:01:46] <krbtgt|a> i'm probably fucking up[20:01:49] <krbtgt|a> that's gcc 2[20:02:05] <krbtgt|a> i was wondering why c99 wasn't a thing[20:02:49] <krbtgt|a> gcc-x86 is gcc >=4, correct?[20:03:15] * krbtgt|a tries that[20:04:39] <krbtgt|a> yes, i can get past it now[20:06:00] <krbtgt|a> we have makefiles[20:06:07] <krbtgt|a> a lot[20:06:17] <krbtgt|a> this is probably gonna stress a lot of things[20:06:22] * krbtgt|a preemptives jacks up RAM[20:06:52] <krbtgt|a> wait[20:06:59] <krbtgt|a> there's more makefiles where that came from[20:07:10] <krbtgt|a> it's running another configure script[20:07:35] <krbtgt|a> ok, mono and eglib configured file[20:07:40] <krbtgt|a> onto boehm's configure script[20:07:49] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[20:07:51] <krbtgt|a> need to fix boegm[20:09:27] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04f8c9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:12:50] <krbtgt|a> oh god[20:13:06] <krbtgt|a> this boehm-gc doesn't look good[20:13:32] <scottmc> krbtgt|a looks like you are heading down the rabbit hole[20:14:42] <krbtgt|a> so they changed their boehm-gc so its incompatible with upstream[20:14:56] <krbtgt|a> they have an alternative GC available, but i think it'll still keep boehm as an option[20:15:57] <krbtgt|a> pthread-support.c looks like a ball of ifdef[20:18:02] <FlyingJester> krbtgt|a: What project is this?[20:19:37] <krbtgt|a> mono[20:20:12] *** Jamesee <Jamesee!~Jay@2a02:8388:6481:3180:dd9b:50a1:ab1e:cf> has joined #haiku[20:21:33] <AndrewZ> go mono![20:23:24] <FlyingJester> Seems like most serious users of Boehm have to modify it.[20:24:47] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, thanks for the feedback[20:25:35] <Vidrep> I kinda figured that bootloader changes might be a liitle much to expect so late in the game[20:26:28] <Vidrep> Meanwhile, let us all try to help put out a good Beta 1[20:29:56] *** Jamesee <Jamesee!~Jay@2a02:8388:6481:3180:dd9b:50a1:ab1e:cf> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:31:26] *** pimenta <pimenta!pimenta@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-zcvrbmilcesgrphz> has joined #haiku[20:33:56] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[20:39:50] <krbtgt|a> ok, added a haiku line and set its threading to be similar to netbsd, then autogened and now reconfiguring mono;s root[20:40:01] <krbtgt|a> its now cloning submodules past boehm[20:41:35] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.129.156> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:42:01] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!dario@181.47.129.156> has joined #haiku[20:44:57] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e32b5ff.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:45:06] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[20:48:45] *** pimenta <pimenta!pimenta@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-zcvrbmilcesgrphz> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[20:49:44] <krbtgt|a> ugh submodules[20:50:00] *** Miyu <Miyu!~hackkitte@HSI-KBW-149-172-240-159.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[20:50:44] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50951 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7ad82d65de6d+%5E100775b79017[20:50:45] <HAIKU-irker458> 83be289d7cf9: netresolv: Remove rcsid[20:50:47] <HAIKU-irker458> 7ad82d65de6d: constants.h: fix gcc6 build.[20:53:10] *** hackkitten <hackkitten!~hackkitte@HSI-KBW-149-172-240-159.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:55:19] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e32b5ff.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:58:18] <Vidrep> Murai Takashi (mt) sure does provide a lot of Haiku patches - good work![20:59:20] *** kaiser_ <kaiser_!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khkqjwmqcuvcxhoq> has joined #haiku[20:59:46] <Vidrep> There are so many people who don't get the recognition they deserve for their work[21:00:32] <Vidrep> fbrosson, miqlas, AndrewZ,and many more[21:02:43] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:05:21] <AndrewZ> Many of my porting projects do not finish in success :-([21:05:31] <AndrewZ> But I keep trying :-)[21:05:41] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[21:05:51] <Vidrep> AndrewZ, every bit counts[21:08:32] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/fb4e1dc0af0e...154312f6513f[21:08:33] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 154312f - mupdf: add recipe for version 1.10~a. (#1121)[21:09:45] <krbtgt|a> omh, configure finished :D[21:09:47] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@p5DD459BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:09:49] <Vidrep> Speak of the devil...[21:09:56] <krbtgt|a> gonna do something to tak a small break[21:10:12] <AndrewZ> krbtgt needs a faster PC...[21:18:02] <krbtgt|a> its limited by probably the tulip driver[21:18:14] <krbtgt|a> that or the ide emulation[21:18:46] <FlyingJester> Can the default setup for amd64 build binaries that run on the gcc2 hybrid builds?[21:19:56] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:21:49] *** tidux|haiku <tidux|haiku!~vision@c-50-149-80-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[21:22:39] <tidux|haiku> is there any special trick to getting MediaPlayer to detect subtitles?[21:23:10] <tidux|haiku> I've got some mkvs it doesn't detect subtitles for... which is somewhat inconvenient as the audio is Japanese[21:23:46] <PulkoMandy> it doesn't support subtitles inside files, only external ones in a separate file[21:23:59] <PulkoMandy> which must have the same name as the video with some specific extension IIRC[21:24:07] <tidux|haiku> probably .srt, that seems common[21:24:10] <tidux|haiku> and that's unfortunate[21:24:18] <tidux|haiku> any plans to change that or is that too low-priority?[21:26:10] <PulkoMandy> no one working on it at the moment[21:26:27] <PulkoMandy> there is no official priority list, if someone comes with a patch and it works, we merge it[21:28:45] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[21:29:06] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/154312f6513f...7d2690162ff0[21:29:08] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 7d26901 - uchardet: move from dev-libs to app-i18n, like Gentoo did.[21:33:08] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:33:45] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:40:02] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[21:42:35] <_Dario_> tidux|haiku you can try to use mplayer or smplayer too[21:43:00] <_Dario_> I'm not sure if they support the embebbed subs,[21:43:52] <tidux|haiku> I found a solution with ffmpeg[21:44:17] <tidux|haiku> I pull out the subs to an .srt and then MediaPlayer sees them[21:45:29] <_Dario_> great[21:48:23] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:50:36] *** js <js!~js@webkeks.org> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:51:11] <krbtgt|a> haiku recognizes two CPUs in hyper-v[21:51:13] <krbtgt|a> let's rock[21:51:33] <krbtgt|a> what the fuck make[21:51:55] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[21:52:59] <krbtgt|a> http://ix.io/1T7h something smells sour[21:55:01] <PulkoMandy> krbtgt|a: make sure you have cmd:gettext installed[21:55:10] <PulkoMandy> (just ran into this in another recipe)[21:55:57] <krbtgt|a> oh right[21:56:32] <krbtgt|a> wow, even in virtualized SMP Depot becomes MUCH faster[21:57:47] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:58:05] <krbtgt|a> yeah, i'm used to vSMP slowing guests down[21:58:11] <krbtgt|a> haiku really takes advantage of it[21:58:34] <AndrewZ> I prefer to run Haiku on a USB flash drive[21:58:40] <AndrewZ> it's pretty fast[21:59:05] <krbtgt|a> same errors[21:59:15] <krbtgt|a> for me ever USB stick is horribly fucking slow[21:59:24] <krbtgt|a> to the point using a live CD is preferable[21:59:33] <krbtgt|a> same errors w/ gettext[21:59:39] <AndrewZ> maybe you have a slow flash drive[21:59:44] <tidux|haiku> that's why I like my multicore VM under KVM on an SSD[21:59:46] <tidux|haiku> super fast[21:59:50] <AndrewZ> with a flash drive you get all the cores[22:00:13] <krbtgt|a> wait[22:00:18] <krbtgt|a> probably need to do configure again[22:00:23] <krbtgt|a> because its doing a substitution[22:00:24] <tidux|haiku> AndrewZ this is a Thinkpad P50 with 32GB RAM, I'm not wasting that on a 32 bit OS lol[22:00:32] <krbtgt|a> at least this time submodules will make sense[22:00:33] <tidux|haiku> the VM all by itself has 4GB[22:01:24] <AndrewZ> lol - go to Haiku / About this system and check the RAM[22:02:02] <AndrewZ> Haiku can 'see' more than 4 GB of RAM[22:02:22] <PulkoMandy> not to mention there is a 64bit version of Haiku :)[22:02:47] <krbtgt|a> but i need to run gobe![22:02:54] <krbtgt|a> */s[22:04:27] <AndrewZ> my preference is for more cores :-) - https://discuss.haiku-os.org/uploads/default/optimized/1X/8ab124f7e0440ff46a58603020815c4b95780efb_1_666x500.png[22:04:36] <tidux|haiku> last I checked x86_64 was so highly unofficial it was almost discouraged to use it... although admittedly that was a few years ago[22:05:16] <AndrewZ> x86_64 is getting much love and getting better[22:06:28] <PulkoMandy> korli has done lots of efforts to bring the set of packages in haikudepot more up to date[22:06:35] <PulkoMandy> and the OS is working fine now[22:06:44] <tidux|haiku> oh cool[22:06:48] <PulkoMandy> we plan to make it officially supported starting with beta1 actually[22:07:00] <tidux|haiku> sweet[22:07:16] <tidux|haiku> I might have to switch at beta1 then[22:07:28] *** mounty <mounty!~mounty@c110-23-13-86.rochd7.qld.optusnet.com.au> has joined #haiku[22:08:05] <PulkoMandy> this allows us to have the 64bit version, nice and modern, for people who don't care about legacy things, and the gcc2hybrid for those who need old beos apps[22:08:14] <PulkoMandy> only 2 architectures to maintain, and everyone happy[22:08:43] <PulkoMandy> except people who don't care about BeOS but for some reason cling on a 32-bit only Atom CPU or early Core Duo[22:08:48] <jua_> but what good is it if you can't have SoundPlay ;o[22:09:01] <PulkoMandy> jua_: I should fox APlayer for 64bit someday…[22:09:13] <PulkoMandy> but lots of code in there[22:09:19] <tidux|haiku> jua_ well there's always MilkyTracker, and the possibility of an mpv port ;)[22:09:39] <AndrewZ> I vote for VLC![22:09:43] <jua_> but neither MilkyTracker nor mpv is a replacement for SoundPlay :P[22:09:46] <PulkoMandy> (they had plan to port the BeOS version back to Amiga someday, so they wrapped the whole BeAPI with their own framework)[22:10:13] <jua_> the APlayer code is really nice, very tidy and well-commented[22:10:47] <krbtgt|a> there we go, had to regen that[22:10:51] <PulkoMandy> yes, just a lot of code and not 64bit safe[22:11:15] <krbtgt|a> fuck boehm[22:11:24] <krbtgt|a> i'll just do a SGen only build?[22:11:25] <PulkoMandy> and they heavily modified all the libs used for various sound format support too[22:13:05] <jua_> yeah, some of the replayers seem to be straight "ports" of m68k asm into C code ;)[22:13:06] <PulkoMandy> (they access the internals of tracker-formats to allow for some interesting note-based vizualisation plugins and the like)[22:13:16] <PulkoMandy> yes, that too[22:13:20] <krbtgt|a> mono's boegm is trickier too because its diverged heavily from upstream[22:13:48] <PulkoMandy> (I saw some functions named after m68k opcodes they are replacing in some places)[22:13:58] <tidux|haiku> lol[22:14:05] <krbtgt|a> every C function is an opcode on vax[22:16:00] <AndrewZ> ooooh, 68k assembler. 68000 was a beautiful creature[22:18:21] <krbtgt|a> i guess mono really wants boehm after all[22:19:56] <krbtgt|a> what the fuck boegm[22:20:10] <krbtgt|a> what the FUCK is this header file[22:21:06] *** Miyu is now known as hackkitten[22:21:33] <krbtgt|a> https://github.com/mono/mono/blob/master/libgc/include/private/gcconfig.h smh[22:21:50] <krbtgt|a> the good news is mono's boehm shouldnt be too different[22:22:10] <krbtgt|a> maybe i can just inject the minimum of required changes for boehm not to horribly explode[22:23:09] <krbtgt|a> ...is there an existing Boehm port I can study for reintegration?[22:25:08] <PulkoMandy> it is integrated into some other ports I think[22:25:14] <PulkoMandy> not sure if there is a standalone one[22:25:26] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:25:27] *** rgb <rgb!58a323de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.163.35.222> has joined #haiku[22:26:16] <krbtgt|a> mono only will use its integrated one[22:26:37] <krbtgt|a> they changed some stuff but not all of it[22:26:46] <krbtgt|a> i see some NeXT ifdefs :)[22:28:09] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 17 commits to release [+13/-17/±6] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2e8b98ee82ad...e23d28cc1f93[22:28:11] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 39cc80f - sharutils: remove old recipe[22:28:12] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 4786878 - yab-ide: update to 2.2.7.[22:28:14] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 5f02c06 - vmware-addons: update to latest revision[22:28:15] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 14 more commits.[22:30:49] <krbtgt|a> i'm not sure what'd use boehm, so...[22:31:39] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqdtwtzikkbxeymc> has joined #haiku[22:31:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[22:31:50] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[22:32:47] <tidux|haiku> krbtgt|a w3m does[22:33:03] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d2690162ff0...037b168d454d[22:33:04] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] oco27 037b168 - qt4pas: new recipe for version 2.5.0 (#871)[22:35:02] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:36:36] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50952 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=024752cf1684+%5E7ad82d65de6d[22:36:37] <HAIKU-irker458> 024752cf1684: ppp/modem: Update the Jamfile to make it start building again.[22:37:36] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:38:05] <krbtgt|a> was that upstreamed or is there a specific haiku repo?[22:41:01] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, have you had a chance to see why GutenPrint 5.2.12 fails to build on x86_gcc2? (x86_64 is OK)[22:41:16] <Vidrep> Just asking :)[22:41:19] <PulkoMandy> no, did not get to that yet[22:41:46] <PulkoMandy> some ffmpeg experimentations, and mostly keeping the release branch of haikuports up to date with packages (going to push lots of updates soon)[22:41:58] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 6 commits to master [+3/-3/±4] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/037b168d454d...7ae458eefabb[22:41:59] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 7b7c210 - sge: fix secondary arch build.[22:42:01] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 8d018a0 - openttd: build from a released version.[22:42:02] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 59db6f2 - texinfo: add missing libiconv dependency.[22:42:04] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 3 more commits.[22:42:37] <Vidrep> Getting ffmpeg working is important[22:43:13] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:43:13] <Vidrep> What is currently not working on ffmpeg? has anything changed in the past 2 weeks?[22:43:37] <PulkoMandy> it fails to detect some mp3 files since the update to 0.10.16 apparently[22:43:47] <PulkoMandy> (for gcc2, no problem in gcc5)[22:43:49] <Vidrep> Yes, I'm aware of that one[22:44:12] <PulkoMandy> I was digging into that problem yesterday, it is only failing to detect[22:44:20] <Vidrep> I took a 2 week break from Haiku, so not sure if anything changed or not[22:44:26] <PulkoMandy> if I force the file type to mp3 in our ffmpeg plugin the files play just fine[22:44:41] <PulkoMandy> (but the duration detection is wrong, another thing I'll need to look at)[22:44:59] <PulkoMandy> did not find exactly what the problem was, I need to dig further into it[22:45:16] <Vidrep> There was an issue on 64 bit where some avi files would crash MP[22:45:32] <PulkoMandy> I don't run 64bit a lot[22:45:52] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7ae458eefabb...da7f6a499ad1[22:45:54] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash da7f6a4 - unknown_horizons: Remove erroneous '\'.[22:46:15] <Vidrep> I need to rerun my test files to get a grip on what's currently not working[22:49:10] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, Web+ appears to be working much better than 2 weeks ago[22:49:32] <Vidrep> Still some issues, but a marked improvement[22:51:27] <PulkoMandy> yes, finally found that issue with redirections and it could create various memory corruptions as well[22:51:37] <tidux|haiku> so I just installed two local packages (w3m, boehm_gc) from haikuports and I can't find the w3m command[22:51:51] <tidux|haiku> "w3m" throws a command not found error even in a fresh copy of Terminal[22:51:57] <tidux|haiku> do I need to restart?[22:52:01] <PulkoMandy> I am busy with the other things but I will have another look at remaining Web+ tickets and maybe try to update[22:52:28] <PulkoMandy> tidux|haiku: depends what you did update. If there is a /boot/system/packages/administrative/transaction* directory, then yes, restart[22:52:41] <PulkoMandy> tried w3m-x86? in case it is accidentally in the bin/x86 dir instrad of bin?[22:52:55] <tidux|haiku> no, there are transaction files[22:53:54] *** tidux|haiku <tidux|haiku!~vision@c-50-149-80-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[22:54:40] *** tidux|haiku <tidux|haiku!~vision@c-50-149-80-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[22:54:52] <tidux|haiku> ok there we go, rebooting revealed a working w3m command[22:55:07] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:55:31] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5ed92e6e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.46.110> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:57:29] <krbtgt|a> i'm dumb but i dont see w3m on depot and i can't find boehm included in a w3m build[22:58:11] <tidux|haiku> they're both haikuports only for now[22:58:19] <tidux|haiku> I built them locally[22:58:49] <krbtgt|a> in that case, i have haikuports in my depot repos?[22:59:06] <tidux|haiku> that's not what haikuports is[22:59:15] <tidux|haiku> it's' a system for building packages from source[22:59:25] *** tidux|haiku <tidux|haiku!~vision@c-50-149-80-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:59:49] *** tidux|haiku <tidux|haiku!~vision@c-50-149-80-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[22:59:55] <krbtgt|a> oh right[22:59:56] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[23:00:07] <krbtgt|a> i still have haikuports in the repos though[23:00:08] <tidux|haiku> http://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki[23:00:10] <tidux|haiku> read pls[23:00:14] <krbtgt|a> i see it now[23:00:17] <PulkoMandy> yes, the tool is available in haikudepot[23:00:29] <krbtgt|a> no, the second repo i have in depot is "HaikuPorts"[23:00:59] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, the repo[23:01:10] <PulkoMandy> it is populated from packages built using haikuports[23:04:31] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-123.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:04:49] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-123.moscow.rt.ru> has joined #haiku[23:05:19] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@broadband-46-242-10-123.moscow.rt.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:07:33] <krbtgt|a> going to integrate the patches from the raw boehm i guess[23:07:54] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[23:10:57] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-14-51.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[23:13:31] <krbtgt|a> emphassizing trying though[23:13:33] <krbtgt|a> it HAS diverged[23:16:01] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:29] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:04] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-14-51.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:17:37] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[23:20:54] <krbtgt|a> getting farther[23:21:06] <krbtgt|a> the mono people told me how to squelch boehm[23:21:10] <krbtgt|a> now eglib is failing tests[23:21:17] <tidux|haiku> this is odd, net-ftp/lftp refuses to build as lftp_x86 even though ARCHITECTURES defines it as working on x86[23:21:27] <tidux|haiku> I get the error that it's "unsupported"[23:21:37] <tidux|haiku> ARCHITECTURES="!x86_gcc2 x86 x86_64 arm" <== looks supported[23:22:44] <krbtgt|a> it can't link the tests[23:22:46] <krbtgt|a> uh-oh[23:24:36] <PulkoMandy> tidux|haiku: you need SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="x86" for the _x86 packages on a gcc2 install[23:25:28] <tidux|haiku> I did lol[23:25:52] <tidux|haiku> that's already uncommented[23:25:55] <krbtgt|a> wait, if I'm passing CC=gcc-x86 to configure, do I need to do the same for ld and ar?[23:26:03] <krbtgt|a> (on a hybrid build)[23:26:49] <PulkoMandy> krbtgt|a: yes, or simpler, use PATH=/boot/system/bin/x86:$PATH[23:27:05] <PulkoMandy> (or "setarch x86" which creates a new shell with the modified PATH)[23:27:11] <krbtgt|a> ohhhhhhhhh[23:27:11] <tidux|haiku> PulkoMandy you mean SECONDARY_TARGET_ARCHITECTURES="x86"?[23:27:25] <PulkoMandy> it's just SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES IIRC[23:27:46] <tidux|haiku> nope[23:27:49] <tidux|haiku> ~> grep SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES config/settings/haikuports.conf[23:27:50] <tidux|haiku> SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="x86"[23:27:51] <tidux|haiku> ~> hp lftp_x86[23:27:51] <tidux|haiku> Checking if any package-infos need to be updated ...[23:27:52] <tidux|haiku> Looking for stale dependency-infos ...[23:27:52] <tidux|haiku> Warning: skipping lftp_x86-4.4.16, as it is unsupported on the target architecture.[23:27:53] <tidux|haiku> Error: No version of lftp_x86 can be built[23:28:07] <PulkoMandy> no, I mean in the recipe[23:30:12] *** ryoshu <ryoshu!~kamil@netbsd/developer/kamil> has joined #haiku[23:30:28] <ryoshu> is it true that every widget in gui has its own thread on haiku?[23:30:40] <PulkoMandy> no, not every widget[23:30:44] <PulkoMandy> but every window does[23:31:04] <ryoshu> but it's usually one or few windows per application, right?[23:31:10] <PulkoMandy> yes[23:31:29] <PulkoMandy> there is one thread for the main application stuff + one for each window, in the application[23:31:43] <PulkoMandy> and there is one thread for each window in the app_server (which handles drawing, mostly)[23:31:57] <PulkoMandy> you can see all the threads in ProcessController[23:32:12] <ryoshu> so it's nothing so special[23:32:35] <ryoshu> a user told me that every icon has its thread :)[23:32:43] <PulkoMandy> it was in 1997 when BeOS started doing these things :)[23:32:48] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[23:33:02] <ryoshu> ah, so it's no longer true?[23:33:22] <PulkoMandy> no, I mean it was special back then[23:33:25] <PulkoMandy> but now it isn't anymore[23:34:05] <ryoshu> what was entry_ref?[23:34:52] <ryoshu> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/src/kits/app/AppMisc.cpp#L109[23:35:19] <PulkoMandy> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/structentry__ref.html#details[23:35:27] <krbtgt|a> undefined reference to: locale_charset[23:35:38] <krbtgt|a> mmmmm[23:36:09] <PulkoMandy> ryoshu: basically, it is a reference to a directory inode + the name of a file inside that directory[23:37:48] <ryoshu> what's the use-case of it?[23:38:22] <Premislaus> PulkoMandy: There is no theards for buttons?[23:38:36] <PulkoMandy> Premislaus: one thread per window, this is enough already :)[23:39:01] <PulkoMandy> ryoshu: the idea is that you have a reference to the directory, even if it is moved or renamed (the inode doesn't change in that case)[23:39:01] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev50953 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ab4bd5d3ce2c+%5E024752cf1684[23:39:02] <HAIKU-irker458> ab4bd5d3ce2c: Update many packages.[23:39:11] <krbtgt|a> one thread per variable[23:39:38] <PulkoMandy> and you have only the name of the entry in that directory, because the entry itself may not exist yet and in that case there would be no inode for it[23:40:40] <ryoshu> wait please[23:43:35] <ryoshu> is it haiku specific that there might be a directory without a name?[23:44:23] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~vision@dslb-088-074-099-035.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:44:56] <krbtgt|a> ok, so i have localcharset.h, but the ccld stage claims it can't find it[23:45:17] <tidux|haiku> hmm, looks like fancy libass2 subs aren't supported by my little ffmpeg trick[23:45:21] <PulkoMandy> ryoshu: I don't know, but refering to files and directories by inode in the API is something specific to BeOS/Haiku, yes[23:45:22] <tidux|haiku> or by qmplay2_x86 either[23:46:00] <PulkoMandy> Linux won't do such things because it creates lots of security problems (you can access files outside a chroot by knowing - or guessing their inode number)[23:47:19] <krbtgt|a> be never got to fixing that part ;)[23:47:43] <krbtgt|a> if baron owns all the inodes, good enough[23:47:43] <PulkoMandy> did they even have chroots anyway? :)[23:48:17] <PulkoMandy> we started noticing this problem only with the use of chroot for building packages with haikuporter[23:48:29] <PulkoMandy> some things managed to escape the chroot (by accident) this way[23:48:59] <PulkoMandy> anyway, time to sleep here[23:49:03] <PulkoMandy> good night![23:49:23] <krbtgt|a> dream of things that aren't glibc[23:49:56] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-099-148.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:50:45] *** js <js!~js@84-75-253-224.dclient.hispeed.ch> has joined #haiku[23:50:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[23:50:47] <krbtgt|a> so where could locale_charset be on haiku[23:53:59] *** tidux|haiku <tidux|haiku!~vision@c-50-149-80-170.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:54:34] <ryoshu> PulkoMandy is this API required in regular applications?[23:54:41] <ryoshu> entry_ref[23:54:55] <krbtgt|a> he's probably hit the sack by now[23:57:11] <krbtgt|a> ok, libtextencoding[23:58:59] *** ryoshu <ryoshu!~kamil@netbsd/developer/kamil> has left #haiku