February 8, 2017 
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known as ADS_Sr[00:23:48] <tidux> do the Qt5 packages include PyQt5 or QtWebKit2?[00:23:48] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:24:06] <tidux> the qtwebkit in qt4 for qupzilla is old enough that it's no longer a significant improvement over web+[00:26:18] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has joined #haiku[00:33:05] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has joined #haiku[00:33:17] *** x3nu_lu <x3nu_lu!~vision@vodsl-8353.vo.lu> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[00:42:47] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[00:47:28] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d8e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[00:48:22] *** xemdetia <xemdetia!xemdetia@nat/ibm/x-jqgcodgbuxgevzhg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:49:12] *** nighty 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<mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:05:59] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:11:10] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[02:12:37] *** FireFly <FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 622 seconds)[02:18:59] *** flos <flos!~flos@113.103.6.12> has joined #haiku[02:34:14] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:48:36] <tidux> hmm, lots of python3 stuff failing with "no such module named _ctypes"[02:49:25] <tidux> I suppose I'll wait until setuptools and pip are fully packaged for python3[02:58:50] <scottmc> tidux open a new issue on haikuports if there isnt already one for that, and maybe we will get to it sooner[03:01:00] <tidux> k[03:03:54] <tidux> issue #1143 opened[03:12:38] <scottmc> thanks[03:18:34] <tidux> np[03:19:27] <tidux> once that's working I've got some old porting efforts I can revive like w3m and mutt[03:19:51] <scottmc> have you tried writing recipes yet for haikuporter?[03:21:30] <tidux> it's mostly been manual porting by massaging autotools, since those dated from before package management[03:21:54] <tidux> what's the best documentation on haikuporter recipes?[03:22:05] <scottmc> the wiki pages[03:22:25] <scottmc> there's a gentle intro guide you might start with[03:41:51] *** Barrett_ <Barrett_!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:34:49] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiwiibwmaveuvxjg> has joined #haiku[04:46:32] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Quit: buildmaster reconfigured: bot disconnecting)[04:46:46] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[04:46:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[04:51:48] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d8e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[05:02:02] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d8e9.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:02:22] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has joined #haiku[05:04:13] <owenca> hi waddlesplash[05:04:35] <waddlesplash> hi owenca![05:04:42] <waddlesplash> nice to still see you around[05:05:13] <owenca> i was kind of waiting for you to pull my updated commit[05:05:26] <owenca> https://github.com/HaikuArchives/WheresMyMouse/pull/10[05:09:52] *** ohnx` <ohnx`!~ohnx@207.107.126.78> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:09:52] *** ohnx` <ohnx`!~ohnx@unaffiliated/ohnx> has joined #haiku[05:11:36] <ohnx`> darn... lost my 30-day connection time on this account lol[05:18:15] * earthnative has a hilight notify in irssi for 'owenc' so always gets momentarily confused when I get a hilight in #haiku :)[05:18:39] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Quit: buildmaster reconfigured: bot disconnecting)[05:18:55] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[05:18:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[05:23:47] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:24:01] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[05:24:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[05:26:22] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2 of haiku-nightlies-arm is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-arm/builds/2[05:28:39] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:28:56] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[05:28:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[05:31:21] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #3 of haiku-nightlies-arm is complete: Failure [failed upload nightlies] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-arm/builds/3[05:32:08] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:32:22] *** HAIKU-Buildbot <HAIKU-Buildbot!~HAIKU-Bui@baron.haiku-os.org> has joined #haiku[05:32:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-Buildbot[05:34:22] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[05:34:57] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #4 of haiku-nightlies-arm is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-arm/builds/4[05:36:48] <AlienSoldier> do we have a pdf password cracker?[05:37:08] <AlienSoldier> as in terminal command[06:27:38] *** FireFly <FireFly!znc@freenode/staff/firefly> has joined #haiku[06:28:06] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[06:53:43] *** haraoka <haraoka!~haraoka@static-222-229-225-230.b-fam.svips.gol.ne.jp> has joined #haiku[07:00:53] *** skbot2011 <skbot2011!~soakbot@ec2-54-234-38-156.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:01:08] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-227-70-78.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[07:01:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[07:05:03] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@101.100.137.239> has joined #haiku[07:05:18] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15178E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[07:10:31] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uiwiibwmaveuvxjg> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[07:15:25] <PulkoMandy> tidux: I'm not aware of a QtWebKit2? we should see about using the out-sourced QtWebKit however, which is more up to date than what we have[07:15:38] <PulkoMandy> not sure how it integrates with Qt build these days, it is a separate git repo[07:15:47] <PulkoMandy> Qt5 uses Blink and I don't think we enable that[07:22:36] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:22:50] <mattlacey> I noticed yesterday that somebody has ported Rust to haiku[07:22:52] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[07:22:52] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:22:59] <mattlacey> I compiled their version of the rust compiler[07:23:10] <mattlacey> need to port cargo too (Rust's package management build tool)[07:23:23] <mattlacey> Mozilla have a browser engine in the works called Servo that's built on Rust[07:23:51] <mattlacey> I may be way off base here, but it seems to me that tracking something that's in it's relative infancy might prove easier than tracking webkit which seems to be a behemoth?[07:24:33] <mattlacey> I mean, it will change fast[07:24:44] <mattlacey> but I suspect it's got a relatively small team on it[07:27:02] <tidux> PulkoMandy: Qt5 is bringing qtwebkit back into tree[07:27:09] <tidux> or at least reviving the port[07:27:29] <PulkoMandy> yes, revivng the port they are. back into tree, I don't know[07:27:52] <tidux> I figure that'd be easier to get up to date than Blink/QtWebEngine, which would involve a full port of the Chromium JS engine (and thus, interestingly, Node.JS)[07:28:03] <PulkoMandy> mattlacey: tracking webkit is not as hard as most people seem to think[07:28:17] <PulkoMandy> just implement some platform specific bits here and there and it will run smoothly[07:28:45] <tidux> mattlacey: Rust and Servo require fairly new versions of LLVM so I'm not sure gcc2 Haiku will be able to keep up[07:29:00] <mattlacey> gah, I forgot about that[07:29:03] <PulkoMandy> of course not gcc2[07:29:06] <tidux> there was some drama in Linux distro maintainer land about this and its impact on packaging Firefox[07:29:10] <PulkoMandy> but webkit doesn't build with gcc2 either[07:29:16] <PulkoMandy> and neither does Qt or anything recent[07:29:20] <mattlacey> I thought the major problems with webpositive were dealing with webkit and it's crazy size?[07:29:22] <PulkoMandy> we do have a gcc5 port for that purpose[07:29:47] <PulkoMandy> and we do have a reasonably up to date llvm too, but it probably needs some packaging bugfixes[07:29:54] <PulkoMandy> wrong include paths or similar stuff[07:30:14] <mattlacey> I need to get on top of the dev side of things again[07:30:33] <mattlacey> as in learn how to do the recipe stuff and get the dev tool chain sorted again[07:30:45] <mattlacey> is there anywhere that details best practices for building Haiku on Haiku?[07:31:10] <tidux> mattlacey: in most cases you won't need to, the OS is actually self-updatable now[07:31:20] <tidux> get a nightly, point the depots at current instead of a hrev, and go[07:31:32] <mattlacey> I know there's the getting started guides, but they don't seem to highlight how to best approach building and testing parts of the OS etc. —i.e. use two partitions/whatever[07:31:37] <tidux> unless you want to get into system programming[07:32:34] <mattlacey> well yeah, I'd like to help work on bugs for Web+ etc. when I can find the time[07:33:14] <mattlacey> I only ever looked at one bug in the screen saver stuff and that was nearly 10 years ago now[07:33:20] <mattlacey> holy shit where did that time go?[07:43:41] <waddlesplash> mattlacey: just make a VM[07:44:00] <waddlesplash> run ./configure from a checkout[07:44:15] <mattlacey> so just run it in qemu to test or something?[07:44:36] <waddlesplash> then you can "jam haiku.hpkg" and then "pkgman install generated/.../haiku.hpkg"[07:44:49] <waddlesplash> no I mean run it in a VirtualBox on a host machine[07:45:03] <waddlesplash> if you're not doing kernel dev them real hardware is ok[07:45:31] *** tojoko <tojoko!~tonio@p5B15178E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[07:45:34] <waddlesplash> or if you know what you're doing and don't mind it blowing up in your face, real hardware OK for that too :p[07:46:06] <waddlesplash> qemu on haiku is kinda slowish[07:46:18] <waddlesplash> don't really recommend testing haiku in haiku on qemu[07:46:31] <waddlesplash> I have done it a few times but not extensively[07:47:02] <waddlesplash> mostly I just either use non packaged plus blacklisting, or install rebuilt haiku.hpkg[07:47:24] <waddlesplash> and now, bedtime[07:47:34] <mattlacey> I'm generally running Haiku inside of virtualbox already[07:47:43] <mattlacey> I could set up the toolchain natively on my Mac I guess[07:47:51] <mattlacey> hit issues before with the filesystem case sensitivity shiz[07:53:37] <tidux> I recommend Linux+KVM as a development VM platform[07:53:41] <tidux> much speedier than virtualbox[07:54:07] <tidux> OS X is many things, but a proper hypervisor isn't one[08:02:14] <mattlacey> yeah this is my work machine though :)[08:02:17] <mattlacey> need OS X for iOS dev[08:02:30] <mattlacey> Run Win 10 at home mostly for games[08:02:58] <mattlacey> might throw a linux distro on there but I just get depressed by the million different UI toolkits and things[08:03:10] <mattlacey> nothing ever looks consistent[08:09:05] *** korli <korli!c299d9e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.153.217.230> has joined #haiku[08:13:33] <FlyingJester> You can set up OS X's filesystem to be case-sensitive.[08:14:07] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0d54cb37c1c7...5f88e141d37b[08:14:08] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 5f88e14 - python3: mark as broken again on x86_gcc2.[08:23:20] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04eee4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[08:23:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[08:23:37] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[08:28:10] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:32:36] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[08:34:26] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has joined #haiku[08:47:56] <owenca> hi PulkoMandy[08:48:10] <Wizard> So I tried setting up Haiku on old laptop yesterday and didn’t went very far. First, wifi doesn’t work. Haiku recognizes it as iprowifi39xx but it doesn’t scan for networks. In syslog, I’ve found something like „iprowifi: cannot load eeprom”[08:48:20] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:49:22] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[08:49:28] <Wizard> I tried install-wifi-firmware (booted linux, downloaded the script, ran it, unpacked zip in haiku’s /boot) but then when I run install-wifi-firmware on haiku in order to generate package it wants to download firmware again.[08:49:50] <Wizard> I cannot do this on Haiku, since it doesn’t also support this laptops ethernet adapter.[08:50:06] <Wizard> Any hints?[08:50:42] *** owenca <owenca!43a102c0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.67.161.2.192> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[08:53:04] <humdinger> Wizard: From what I see in that script, the iprowifi39xx isn't included in the hw that does need their firmware dowmloaded.[08:53:32] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:53:42] <Wizard> Ah, haiku image I used was lateste nightly from yesterday evening CET :P[08:54:03] <Wizard> Sorry, I didn’t have any other hardware available to join and ask[08:54:55] <Wizard> humdinger: That’s what I also found… but still this „cannot load eeprom” was disturbing.[08:55:28] <humdinger> Maybe check the ID of your hw against what the driver provides:[08:55:29] <humdinger> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/wlan/iprowifi3945/dev/wpi/if_wpi.c[08:57:20] <Wizard> Hmm, if ((tmp & WPI_EEPROM_VERSION) == 0)[08:57:45] <Wizard> OK, I’ll check when I get home :)[09:00:22] <Wizard> Ok, I don’t understand this driver[09:01:00] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-47-53-132-231.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:01:03] <humdinger> I don't understand any driver...[09:01:46] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[09:03:44] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:04:56] <Wizard> :)[09:05:08] <Wizard> Poor me, then. No haiku on any device for me…[09:06:27] <humdinger> Welcome to the world of VM.[09:06:34] <humdinger> it's not so bad...[09:06:56] <Wizard> Real men use real hardware :)[09:07:37] <humdinger> Real men fix the drivers they need with their own veiny hands. :)[09:09:02] *** knarfy <knarfy!~knarf@143.252.82.79.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[09:10:52] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@p4FD74D6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:10:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:12:55] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A297E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:13:10] <Wizard> Yeah, with a magnet over the disk. Good that this laptop doesn’t use SSD[09:21:12] *** Nycatelos <Nycatelos!~Nycatelos@unaffiliated/illusional> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:22:59] *** Nycatelos <Nycatelos!~Nycatelos@unaffiliated/illusional> has joined #haiku[09:24:32] *** Sue <Sue!~sue@unaffiliated/sue> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:29:57] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has joined #haiku[09:31:41] *** Sue <Sue!~sue@unaffiliated/sue> has joined #haiku[09:32:17] <cancercake> hi, i'm getting a really strange error while compiling mednafen on amd64[09:32:50] <cancercake> https://thepasteb.in/p/Y6hkEYRvj3BI7[09:33:56] <cancercake> it should be pure 64-bit so i don't know why it talks about R_X86_64_32[09:34:26] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A297E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[09:38:31] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[09:39:24] *** Sir_Designer__ <Sir_Designer__!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Quit: 15 minutes with you / oh, I wouldn't say no)[09:45:11] <johnny_b> cancercake: i have no idea, sry 8([09:46:35] <cancercake> johnny_b: no prob, i'll probably just wait until the 64-bit version has matured more before i try again[09:49:48] <johnny_b> cancercake: cool[09:50:07] <jessicah> cancercake: the missing piece is "recompile with -fPIC"[09:50:23] <jessicah> it's talking about specific ELF relocation types[09:50:29] <jessicah> it's not a 32/64-bit thing at all[09:50:43] <jessicah> also, your pastebin sucks[09:50:52] <cancercake> jessica: ohh ok, sorry[09:50:53] <jessicah> I had to copy into notepad to be able to copy that piece out[09:50:58] <jessicah> :p[09:51:05] <jessicah> stupid menu kept popping up[09:51:43] <cancercake> i tried pasting here directly and it asked me to upload there instead[09:51:56] <cancercake> so i did[09:52:28] <jessicah> anyway, adding -fPIC to your compile line should fix problems[09:52:40] <cancercake> do you know how to add it?[09:53:02] <jessicah> if there's a configure with like --enable/disable shared, then it needs to be enable-shared[09:53:04] <jessicah> or similar[09:53:32] <humdinger> cancercake: there are nicer paste services. try http://sprunge.us, for example.[09:53:43] <humdinger> jessicah: how you doing?[09:54:52] <cancercake> i saw this[09:55:14] <cancercake> does this look correct?[09:55:20] <jessicah> no that's just install location[09:55:26] <cancercake> lol[09:55:51] <jessicah> you can even do: clipboard -p | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us[09:56:09] <jessicah> and it'll copy text from haiku's clipboard to sprunge :)[09:56:25] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmzgwzgclirsiinp> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[09:56:34] <jessicah> humdinger: recovering :p[09:56:34] <cancercake> whaat[09:56:39] <cancercake> where do i type that?[09:56:42] <Wizard> =<- what format is that? :D[09:56:45] <jessicah> in a terminal[09:57:01] <cancercake> hmm[09:57:24] <jessicah> Wizard: I dunno, it's what the website says to do[09:57:25] <jessicah> :p[09:57:33] <Wizard> :)[09:57:50] <jessicah> cancercake: anyway, probably in the makefile rules you can add -fPIC[09:57:58] <jessicah> or try grep the configure script?[09:58:01] <jessicah> I dunno[09:58:10] <jessicah> I'm too tired to dig deeper into the problem[09:58:28] <jessicah> too tired, too sore, been a crazy few days for me =/[09:58:46] <cancercake> ah, too bad but understandable[09:58:49] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[09:58:49] <cancercake> no prob[09:59:09] <leszek> mp3 playback seems completely borked in haiku nightlies[10:00:51] <humdinger> mp3 works here with MediaPlayer on hrev50931[10:02:52] <leszek> hrev50941 either the mp3 isn't played back at all or the mediaplayer pretends to play something in ultra speed with no sound appearing[10:03:47] <leszek> and vlc that i downloaded isn't able to play anything back. No video (that works btw. fine in media player using h264 + aac) and no audio (on mp3s log says mpga decoder can't be found)[10:05:06] <leszek> ah wait a sec. removed .vlc and no vlc works[10:05:24] <leszek> thought that it had its settings stored in ~/config/VLC Media Player[10:05:58] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[10:06:02] <idi0tf0wl> is there a definitive walkthrough to developing applications for haiku other than the bebook?[10:06:14] <leszek> humdinger: ^^[10:07:20] <humdinger> leszek: dunno what's wrong with your mp3 playback though. the last commits don't seem to be connected to that...[10:07:24] *** mull <mull!~eml@p4FC56D66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[10:07:48] <humdinger> idi0tf0wl: there are two ebooks dealing with learning c++ and coding Haiku apps.[10:08:06] <AlienSoldier> humdinger i am on 50919 and have the same problem, some mp3 work, some don't[10:08:15] <humdinger> both by DarkWyrm[10:08:16] <humdinger> https://www.haiku-os.org/development/[10:08:43] <humdinger> AlienSoldier: then maybe the few mp3s I have work by accident...[10:09:02] <leszek> humdinger: there is an error report opened 5 weeks ago that fits the problem I experience with mp3: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13150[10:09:10] <AlienSoldier> possible, especailly if they kinda come all from the same source[10:09:22] <idi0tf0wl> humdinger: thanks. i remember finding that page a long time ago[10:10:07] <leszek> where is the keystore saved. Somehow wifi dialog pops up 3 times asking me for my password. I guess that comes from a broken keystore config or such[10:10:17] <mull> Hey folks. Random question: I know WebPositive is running WebKit which in turn is running V8, so clearly V8 has been ported. Has there ever been an attempt at porting Node.js?[10:10:24] <AlienSoldier> leszek when i spoke with PulkoMandy we assumed it was related to ffmpeg[10:11:01] <idi0tf0wl> here's a follow-up question: is it strictly necessary to use C/++?[10:11:01] <leszek> AlienSoldier: yeah I also think that it is an ffmpeg issue as all the mp3s that I cannot play back show 00:00 for their time in the file info and raw audio as type instead of mp3[10:11:15] <humdinger> leszek: /boot/home/config/settings/system/keystore[10:12:06] <humdinger> leszek: I've put a script into the launch folder that's doing a ifconfig line. that works for me...[10:12:10] <idi0tf0wl> i see ruby in the depot, i'd rather use that for the business logic at least[10:12:45] <leszek> humdinger: thx[10:12:48] <humdinger> idi0tf0wl: if you want a GUI it's either C++ or YAB (basic)[10:13:56] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04eee4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[10:14:50] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04eee4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[10:14:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[10:16:33] <leszek> I guess the ffmpeg version for playing back mp3s in haiku is deeply connected to mediakit so I can't just download an older hpkg were mp3s still worked and replace it ? Anyone experience with this ?[10:17:10] *** mull is now known as eml[10:18:38] <humdinger> leszek: could work. I think I remember "manually downgrading" ffmpeg in the past.[10:18:50] <eml> @humdinger: There were previous attempts many years ago to write bindings for, I think, Python. Did any come to fruition? If I remember correctly, and excuse my poor knowledge on the topic, a big hurdle was the fact that the API is written in C++ rather than C, and bindings to other languages can only be written in C[10:18:52] <humdinger> had to do that every time I updated of course...[10:19:29] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[10:19:30] <leszek> ok will try it[10:19:37] <humdinger> eml: I remember that too, but I don't think that work was finished.[10:20:02] <eml> @humdinger: Alright, thanks :)[10:20:15] <humdinger> https://discuss.haiku-os.org/search?q=python_bindings[10:21:33] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!~vision@modemcable241.24-203-24.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[10:23:19] <eml> Cheers[10:38:47] *** yosafbridge` <yosafbridge`!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has joined #haiku[10:40:25] *** pfoetche1 <pfoetche1!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has joined #haiku[10:40:58] *** munchaus1n <munchaus1n!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has joined #haiku[10:43:16] *** haraoka <haraoka!~haraoka@static-222-229-225-230.b-fam.svips.gol.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:45:48] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[10:45:49] *** pfoetchen <pfoetchen!~pfoetchen@beiboot1.petschge.de> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[10:45:49] *** munchausen <munchausen!~er209@myrtle.kent.ac.uk> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[10:50:10] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[10:50:31] *** Dane__ <Dane__!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:51:38] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@253.206-40-118.netnet.net> has joined #haiku[10:51:38] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[11:03:31] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04eee4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:15:49] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:19] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:25:02] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[11:27:38] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[11:29:19] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:36:28] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[11:43:20] <leszek> hmm... I wonder how much in the past I have to go to get mp3 playback support hrev50800 general system error on every media file[11:47:30] *** e1z0 <e1z0!u571@88.216.80.57> has quit IRC (Changing host)[11:47:30] *** e1z0 <e1z0!u571@netlinux/founder/e1z0> has joined #haiku[11:54:43] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has joined #haiku[12:02:37] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[12:03:31] <cancercake> mp3 works for me[12:04:41] <cancercake> do you have to use hrev50800?[12:06:55] <leszek> tried 50800 and nope that gives me general error everywhere[12:07:00] <leszek> updated https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13150#comment:4[12:07:08] <leszek> hrev50791 works[12:09:30] *** flos <flos!~flos@113.103.6.12> has quit IRC (Quit: Those who know don't tell.)[12:10:24] <cancercake> oh well, gotta go[12:10:29] *** cancercake <cancercake!53fc52cf@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.252.82.207> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[12:11:24] <leszek> yeah it works. Replaced the ffmpeg pkgs from hrev50941 with the ones from hrev50791 and voila my mp3s all work fine :)[12:22:38] <korli> leszek: you're on x86_gcc2?[12:26:00] <korli> mediaplayer on x86_gcc2 uses ffmpeg 0.10.16 since hrev50805[12:26:59] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:26:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[12:35:57] <leszek> korli: yes x86_gcc2[12:36:21] <leszek> korli: yeah this new ffmpeg version is the problem. It seems to break stuff[12:39:44] <korli> leszek: in ticket you said "before the big ffmpeg 3.2 update of hrev50795", which is likely unrelated[12:45:42] <leszek> korli: ffmpeg_x86-3.2.2-1 has nothing to do with it ?[12:46:49] <leszek> korli: as to your comment hrev50800 gave me general system errors when trying to play mp3s so yep everything after hrev50795 is not working for me anymore[12:48:26] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[12:49:44] *** eml <eml!~eml@p4FC56D66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:50:34] <leszek> brb reboot[12:50:37] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[12:51:49] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[13:00:08] *** geoid_ <geoid_!~geoid@95.131.217.194> has quit IRC (Quit: Be back later ...)[13:00:40] *** geoid_ 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<jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-11-205.netcologne.de> has joined #haiku[19:06:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[19:11:25] *** BrunoSpre <BrunoSpre!~vision@dslb-084-056-179-200.084.056.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:13:29] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@82-132-246-169.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[19:15:17] <humdinger> does http://www.osnews.com/ work with web+ for anyone?[19:15:24] <humdinger> hrev50931 here.[19:15:50] <humdinger> http://www.heide.de and http://sueddeutsche.de don't work for me anymore either.[19:16:09] <humdinger> ^ http://www.heise.de[19:16:12] <jua_> works here with hrev50879[19:16:45] *** Sir_Designer__ <Sir_Designer__!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[19:16:47] <humdinger> yours is before the latest webkit update.[19:16:58] <humdinger> ticket time.[19:17:00] <tidux> works fine here although I sort of wish it didn't[19:17:10] <tidux> hrev 50941[19:17:25] <tidux> I've never seen the site without adblocker so I didn't realize how cancerous it was[19:17:27] <humdinger> gcc2h?[19:17:30] <tidux> ayup[19:17:32] <tidux> standard nightly[19:17:39] <humdinger> damn.[19:18:33] <jua_> DNS problem?[19:19:36] <humdinger> Ah. My fault. I added a hosts file that's supposed to block ads.[19:19:47] <humdinger> apparently those site don't like that...[19:20:05] <jua_> very effective, no ads shown to you anymore ;)[19:20:17] <ohnx> no other websites, too :)[19:20:32] <tidux> I have host based adblocking in Qutebrowser on other OSes that doesn't stop those sites from rendering[19:21:18] <humdinger> tidux: does that hosts file work OK with Web+ too?[19:21:38] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[19:21:38] <tidux> haven't checked, it's not actually an /etc/hosts file, just a list of hosts the browser parses[19:21:44] <tidux> I'll copy it into my Haiku VM to check[19:21:51] <humdinger> thanks![19:25:49] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:27:16] <tidux> humdinger: putting it in /etc/hosts on Haiku appears to have no effect[19:27:21] <tidux> is there some DNS cache I'm not clearing?[19:27:38] <jjido> tidux wrong place[19:27:40] <humdinger> I restarted web+[19:28:10] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.100.16> has joined #haiku[19:28:15] <tidux> dropped a symlink[19:28:18] <tidux> let's see if that works now[19:28:31] <tidux> nope[19:28:43] <PulkoMandy> host based blacklist in Web+ is something we could easily implement[19:29:40] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: you mean a hosts-like file only for Web+?[19:29:54] <tidux> well, now we're getting somewhere[19:30:17] <tidux> osnews.com and sueddeutsche.de are failing to load entirely with the hosts file in place[19:30:44] <tidux> looks like webkit is blocking on a localhost-redirected domain rather than moving on to the next element[19:31:01] <humdinger> OK. So no ad-blocking in hosts file for now.[19:32:01] <tidux> http://termbin.com/eieb <== hosts file in question[19:32:04] <tidux> for reproducability[19:33:21] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@92.62.199.162> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[19:33:41] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: yes, something like that[19:34:04] <PulkoMandy> redirecting to 127.0.0.1 may block waiting if there is no server open[19:34:12] <PulkoMandy> tried with a running PoorMan? that would 404 everything[19:35:29] *** KobrAs <KobrAs!sid28465@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tmpzsuaqwuufgdhd> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:35:30] <humdinger> tidux: osnews etc. still work when using your hosts file.[19:35:56] <humdinger> shouldn't it be "IP NAME"? yours is "NAME IP".[19:37:21] *** Tsesarevich <Tsesarevich!sid83162@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:37:21] *** tchbnl <tchbnl!sid185525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fpqpscivlhpbsqpr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:37:26] <humdinger> I have e.g. "192.168.178.102 xios" in my hosts. Entering "xios" in Web+ will start a search for it. I have to enter "http://xios"[19:37:50] <humdinger> that's a new ticket, I guess...[19:38:14] <PulkoMandy> that's expected, there is a "smart" URL handler[19:38:26] <PulkoMandy> people will always complain about it[19:38:43] <PulkoMandy> if I try to search for "depends.exe" or "command.com" it will try to resolve that as an hostname[19:38:53] <jua_> well it could try to resolve as a domain whenever it's a valid domain name[19:39:08] <PulkoMandy> a lot of things are valid domain names[19:39:15] <jua_> sure[19:39:16] <humdinger> QupZilla does it alright, it seems[19:39:20] <jua_> if the lookup fails it can stil search ;)[19:39:31] <PulkoMandy> jua_: firefox does that but I find it annoying[19:39:34] <humdinger> it adds the http:// itself[19:39:34] <ohnx`> 1[19:39:46] <tidux> humdinger: ah yeah, messed up the sed command to generate that[19:39:53] <PulkoMandy> (when mistyping a domain or an IP address you end up searching it on google)[19:40:02] <jua_> PulkoMandy, I generally turn search in the URL bar off, I prefer to have that only in the separate search box[19:40:06] <tidux> the qutebrowser file is just a list of domains[19:40:08] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: yes, but qupzilla has a separate box for search[19:40:19] <humdinger> true[19:40:20] <PulkoMandy> jua_: yes… if we had a separate search box :)[19:41:03] <PulkoMandy> if it was only my decision I would never search by default, and use prefixes in the url bar: g word = search on google, w word = search on wikipedia, etc[19:41:12] <PulkoMandy> (opera and vivaldi have something like that)[19:42:09] <humdinger> Or add a pop-up menu as soon as you type, like it's done already with historically visited URLs,[19:42:28] <humdinger> and add a "Search with DuckDuckGo: %s"[19:42:33] <tidux> so, fixing the hostsfile format, it loads partway and then blocks[19:42:36] <jua_> web browsers these days just try to do way too many things ;o[19:42:52] <tidux> jua_: because they're trying to reach ever less competent users[19:43:07] <tidux> and replace ever more classes of desktop functionality[19:43:16] <tidux> hell, look at Chrome OS[19:43:23] <tidux> that entire UI is just Chrome on a framebuffer[19:43:31] <jua_> I very much dislike webapps :p[19:43:54] <tidux> I don't mind self hostable or federated ones, my main issue is with the datamining SaaS stuff[19:43:59] <tidux> and that's more philosophical than anything else[19:45:07] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jyvnjjfzgzhzzxmz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:45:07] *** IIsi50MHz <IIsi50MHz!sid19824@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrqksdqwsgxuqptd> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:48:14] <BrunoSpre> 50933 here www.osnews.com works[19:49:49] <humdinger> BrunoSpre: thanks. we established it was my ad-blocking hosts file...[19:50:25] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: hmm... that hosts file seems to work with QupZilla. So it's a Web+ issue after all?[19:50:57] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: well, you redirect to 127.0.0.1 and then Web+ waits for someone to reply there[19:51:08] <PulkoMandy> as I said, does it work differently if you have PoorMan running?[19:51:29] <jua_> poor man's ad blocker ;)[19:51:31] <humdinger> it redirects to 0.0.0.0[19:53:10] <humdinger> hey. all works when PoorMan is running. Good call! :)[19:54:54] <humdinger> not all... https://www.heise.de/ doesn't...[19:55:57] <leszek> a problem only with adblocking enabled ? As it runs fine without[19:56:21] <humdinger> yes. only with an ad-blocking hosts file.[19:57:09] *** aleonard <aleonard!~aleonard@2607:fad8:4:6:bb40:5ef0:ddf0:30fa> has joined #haiku[20:03:32] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@pD9F4BB6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[20:06:34] <PulkoMandy> well yes, so there may be a problem when we get a "connection refused"[20:06:44] <PulkoMandy> or maybe just with the address 0.0.0.0 which is a bit unexpected :)[20:06:46] <BrunoSpre> ah yes heise.de is crashing here too hrev 50933[20:09:26] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[20:09:26] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:09:26] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[20:09:32] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: got the hosts file from https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts[20:09:47] <humdinger> there's a "We recommend using 0.0.0.0 instead of 127.0.0.1" on that page[20:10:18] <humdinger> maybe I should replace 0.0.0.0 with 127.0.0.1 for a try.[20:10:44] <humdinger> BrunoSpre: the crash might be related to some bloody video or ad-video.[20:11:02] <humdinger> I've seen heise.de downloading full tilt in Web+ when entered.[20:11:13] <PulkoMandy> yes, 0.0.0.0 is the right thing to do[20:11:24] <PulkoMandy> it's just that we should catch it before the requests get on the network[20:12:49] <PulkoMandy> now I wonder how far down the network stack we should handle that[20:17:02] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has joined #haiku[20:19:12] <tidux> I just tested 0.0.0.0 and it still doesn't work right on osnews[20:19:17] <tidux> works fine on reddit though[20:21:01] <humdinger> tidux: gots to run PoorMan...[20:24:41] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:26:02] *** IIsi50MHz <IIsi50MHz!sid19824@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itsymxdsawrkkvvz> has joined #haiku[20:27:22] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:27:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:33:01] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.dsl.teletu.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:33:12] *** KobrAs <KobrAs!sid28465@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnriztizlkalfrrb> has joined #haiku[20:33:56] *** KobrAs is now known as dooh[20:34:10] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[20:35:24] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x4d04eee4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:36:16] *** Shearer <Shearer!~shearer@net-93-144-146-186.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:41:37] <DKnoto> Hi. Why the sys_info structure (or cpu_info) don't have the cpu_clock_speed field?[20:52:16] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[20:58:06] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:58:14] <Vidrep> Hi[20:58:44] <PulkoMandy> hi[20:59:30] *** Tsesarevich <Tsesarevich!sid83162@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx> has joined #haiku[21:00:57] <Vidrep> I'm having a hard time finding the motivation to do anything with Haiku the past week[21:02:00] *** Hare2 <Hare2!~Pol23@pD9F4BB6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[21:02:44] <Vidrep> Is the project stuck on something in particular? Any progress with the build bots?[21:05:18] <PulkoMandy> not to my knowledge[21:05:30] <PulkoMandy> still cleaning up recipes to get them ready however[21:18:23] *** tchbnl <tchbnl!sid185525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hwdkiwnguejomxxi> has joined #haiku[21:18:35] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlxmbmtznsqrdzdk> has joined #haiku[21:21:01] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[21:22:09] *** jjido_ <jjido_!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has joined #haiku[21:28:41] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-197-118.dsl.scarlet.be> has joined #haiku[21:34:51] <PulkoMandy> mh, freeciv fails to build because hardlinks[21:37:34] <Vidrep> Sorry , i had to step away for a bit[21:38:13] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, what is the best way for me to contribute at this point?[21:39:34] <Vidrep> Sometimes it seems like you're the only one capable or willing to do much of the bug fixing[21:40:00] <Vidrep> I feel guilty preeeing you for fixes to certain issues[21:40:00] <PulkoMandy> no, but I seem to have a little more time for it than some other devs[21:40:04] <Vidrep> pressing[21:40:37] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] leavengood pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/190bc441640b...02854eef93c3[21:40:39] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] wezm 02854ee - Reset fundraising themometer for 2017 (#28)[21:40:57] *** return0xe <return0xe!~return0e@150.237.94.36> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:41:49] <Vidrep> Fundraising finally updated. Having 2016 on there gave a bad impression[21:42:54] *** rgb <rgb!8166fef9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.102.254.249> has joined #haiku[21:43:45] <Vidrep> I guess I could start getting back into Haiku again by reviewing all my tickets[21:43:54] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:44:50] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:44:59] <Vidrep> All 84 of them... :)[21:45:08] <circ-user> Vidrep "I'm having a hard time finding the motivation" - hm..[21:45:10] <circ-user> http://w3.siemens.com/mcms/automation/en/pc-based-automation/Pages/Default.aspx[21:45:18] <PulkoMandy> and if you are bored with haiku itself, providinf screenshots and reviews on haikudepot for all apps[21:46:02] <Vidrep> Reviewing tickets. That'll keep me busy for a while[21:46:39] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[21:46:39] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[21:46:39] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[21:47:15] <Vidrep> I just did a DL of the latest nightly. Time to start afresh[21:47:21] <Vidrep> bbl[21:47:25] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:54:27] *** miqlas <miqlas!~miqlas@dslb-178-012-099-109.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:54:39] <circ-user> New ones for example Battenfeld-Cincinaci using Windows XP 512MB RAM, 1.6GHz Celeron M and slow SSD boot time 5 minutes to .NET based crappy app.. worst than based on DOS+386 at 1999 dot . i see there is place for Haiku, this is my motivation on Haiku - build the bridge BHAPI for Windows, Linux, MacOS build the Brie, BeBuilder or something with graphical[21:54:40] <circ-user> like Fluid, Lazarus kinda style write once build everywhere.. build the hpkg, befs for Windows, Linux etc... make the Haiku attractive for companies such as Digia (Qt) or Siemens and simmilar.. this is my vision for Haiku from financial side - then the motivation will come.. i think? plus i think Haiku needs something like "tieams" - you for this,[21:54:40] <circ-user> other for that be rosponsible for not anarchy kind of way.. motivation drops for everybody involved i think if "company" is ruled by anarchy any kind of "company" even opensource project. my motivation is big..[21:57:29] <circ-user> Vidrep i think you shoud take rest, 2 weeks without Haiku, just take break ;)[21:59:31] *** circ-user <circ-user!~IceChat9@ip-80-236-197-118.dsl.scarlet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!)[22:05:20] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@dinamico-3621.bandalarga.bcmg.com.br> has joined #haiku[22:05:51] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 11 commits to master [+0/-10/±11] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5f88e141d37b...bdd848c781b0[22:05:51] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@dinamico-3621.bandalarga.bcmg.com.br> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:05:52] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli ebba9c8 - clockwerk: patch is upstreamed.[22:05:54] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 032e38d - jabber4haiku: patch is upstreamed.[22:05:55] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli d70a2bb - hare: patch is upstreamed.[22:05:57] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] ... and 8 more commits.[22:11:12] <BrunoSpre> what happened to exposer? Any change getting this app working again?[22:11:33] <BrunoSpre> It is closed source so I have to ask stippi I suppose?[22:12:10] <PulkoMandy> most likely yes[22:12:27] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3bf2:b330:1cb8:f2a1:aab8:4f74> has joined #haiku[22:12:49] <BrunoSpre> Ah ok thx PulkoMandy... have to look for his e-mail then.... Are there still strange icons in HaikuDepot in the newest builds? I have hrev 50933[22:13:20] <BrunoSpre> I think Stippi is not often around? Is he?[22:15:25] <BrunoSpre> Do you get Python 3 compiled?[22:15:47] <BrunoSpre> Have you got it running/compiled PulkoMandy?[22:18:54] <PulkoMandy> compiled yes, running, seems not[22:19:02] <PulkoMandy> need to see if it builds with gcc5[22:20:45] <BrunoSpre> ah ok why not try with gcc6 straight?[22:22:03] <BrunoSpre> python 3 is needed for newer versions of Blender... isnt it?[22:22:15] <PulkoMandy> we have not switched to gcc6 yet[22:22:22] <BrunoSpre> ah ok sorry...[22:22:32] <PulkoMandy> some things need to be fixed in haiku sources first (new warnings, and we use -Werror)[22:22:48] <BrunoSpre> äh sorry I am not a coder...[22:25:10] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:26:28] *** jjido_ <jjido_!~jjido@90.203.100.8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:28:24] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[22:28:39] *** aleonard <aleonard!~aleonard@2607:fad8:4:6:bb40:5ef0:ddf0:30fa> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:28:50] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[22:30:01] <Vidrep> Just did a fresh install of hrev50941, then a KDL when clicking the button to reboot[22:30:24] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[22:30:24] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[22:30:24] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[22:30:48] <Vidrep> This was x86_gcc2. x86_64 installed without any issue.[22:36:00] *** compyx <compyx!~compyx@D4CCAD8F.cm-2.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: I need sleep, or I'm drunk, or both)[22:42:13] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[22:47:36] <Vidrep> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13090[22:56:33] *** Hekarath <Hekarath!~vision@x4d04742b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:58:38] *** Premislaus <Premislaus!~quassel@91-233-157-147.interkonekt.pl> has joined #haiku[23:02:46] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@p2003005B4413EA00022314FFFEAF6410.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[23:11:50] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/bdd848c781b0...43772e05604e[23:11:51] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 33feac1 - libburndevice: enable x86_64.[23:11:53] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 43772e0 - libmpdclient: enable x86_64.[23:12:44] *** Hekarath <Hekarath!~vision@x4d04742b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:13:13] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A297E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[23:15:50] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:18] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:16:55] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3631a5.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:18:21] <lelldorin> Where do I place encoders and decoder: /boot/home/config/non-packaged/add-ons/encoders and /boot/home/config/non-packaged/add-ons/decoders (out of HaikuDepot installed files)?[23:18:52] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:19:10] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:20:07] *** js <js!~js@webkeks.org> has joined #haiku[23:20:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[23:23:25] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:23:45] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d108-173-62-64.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[23:25:23] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/43772e05604e...a776fca98248[23:25:24] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson a776fca - dmg2img: bump to 1.6.6, rewrite INSTALL() using install.[23:34:28] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@82-132-246-169.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:34:33] *** euver <euver!~Thunderbi@p54A297E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: euver)[23:36:21] *** arfonzo <arfonzo!~arfonzo@2a03:b0c0:1:a1::54f:1001> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:36:34] *** arfonzo <arfonzo!~arfonzo@2a03:b0c0:1:a1::54f:1001> has joined #haiku[23:36:47] <lelldorin> Where do I place encoders and decoder: /boot/home/config/non-packaged/add-ons/encoders and /boot/home/config/non-packaged/add-ons/decoders (out of HaikuDepot installed files)?[23:36:54] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.71.193.216.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:39:19] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3631a5.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[23:42:08] *** scottmc <scottmc!~scottmc@c-67-174-194-40.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:46:09] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has joined #haiku[23:46:09] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@212.69.17.18> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:46:09] *** Beretta021 <Beretta021!~Beretta02@unaffiliated/beretta021> has joined #haiku[23:49:35] <tidux> is there a ticket open about MediaPlayer not handling softsubs?[23:50:31] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:51:46] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlxmbmtznsqrdzdk> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:51:46] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has joined #haiku[23:51:46] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@unaffiliated/whilhelm> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:51:46] *** kaiser <kaiser!uid203960@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qlxmbmtznsqrdzdk> has joined #haiku[23:52:44] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:55:18] *** jua_ <jua_!~jua@xdsl-85-197-11-205.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)