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[00:37:02] <circ-user> uh.. include <string.h> + include "String.h" + MinGW = how to solve this problem without renaming String to BString or something? :/
[00:37:31] <waddlesplash> can't
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[00:37:42] <waddlesplash> you have to rename it
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[00:37:50] <waddlesplash> windows FS is case insensitive
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[00:39:25] <Skipp_OSX> circ-user: you need to be on a case-sensitive file system... which is tough to do on Windows
[00:39:48] <hbelusca> enable NTFS case sensitivity otherwise.
[00:40:02] <waddlesplash> that tends to end badly
[00:40:07] <waddlesplash> so I'd advise against it
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[00:41:42] <circ-user> but if i rename it everytime there will be problem for others, maybe something like <./.../include/string.h> and for "./../support/String.h hm..
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[00:46:25] <Skipp_OSX> circ-user, unfortunately you really do need to be on a case-sensitive file system to make Haiku compile correctly
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[00:48:05] <circ-user> im not compiling Haiku, ETK++ v2007 by Anthony Lee
[00:48:13] <circ-user> for Windows
[00:48:27] <circ-user> using MinGW
[00:49:52] <Skipp_OSX> oh well then that is different... I'm not even sure why you'd be using "String.h" in that case
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[00:54:26] <circ-user> temporary changed to Strings.h maybe change every file to bhapi_String.h and also add namespace? i dont know.. for now it's almost done
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[00:57:45] <Skipp_OSX> don't worry BeHappy
[00:59:13] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson bb89f02 - libass: bump to 0.13.6, add TEST(). (#1009)
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[01:12:13] <circ-user> SupportDefs.h in Strings.h still got error "there is no such file or directory" :/
[01:16:08] <Skipp_OSX> circ-user, I still don't know what you are doing, it sounds like you are compiling Haiku, or a part of it, on Windows, but you're not using a case-sensitive file system (since Windows uses case-insensitive NTFS) and running into the inevitable problems that result
[01:20:58] <circ-user> maybe, btw. NTFS is case sensitive! (by design)
[01:21:09] <circ-user> WinAPI not
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[01:23:25] <circ-user> by default, FILE_FLAG_POSIX_SEMANTICS
[01:26:16] <circ-user> changed to StringMe.h still file SupportDefs.h in same directory cannot be found.. almost everything compiles, just not this one
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[01:42:37] * waddlesplash supposes he should post that to his blog
[01:44:08] <mattlacey> cool
[01:44:09] <Skipp_OSX> yeah post to blog and link to haiku-os.org
[01:46:13] * mattlacey is watching now
[01:46:40] <mattlacey> Ran jessicah's UEFI image on my machine again and it stayed stable this time
[01:47:05] <mattlacey> Need another ethernet driver from FBSD though and from my understanding there's changes to the compatability layer needed for that :(
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[01:54:34] <circ-user> @waddlesplash is it Linux Sucks guy?
[01:54:38] <waddlesplash> yep
[02:00:49] <Skipp_OSX> I do enjoy his Linux sucks presentations, although I have to admit that they are getting a bit redundant
[02:02:49] <mattlacey> ha ha
[02:03:25] <waddlesplash> he's apparently going to do "one more and that's it" lol
[02:03:36] <mattlacey> "I don't have time to keep it running"
[02:03:41] <mattlacey> good quote on Linux waddlesplash :)
[02:03:50] <waddlesplash> :)
[02:04:39] <mattlacey> I actually thought I could use Haiku for work the other day but I needed a newer JDK
[02:04:50] <mattlacey> so close
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[02:14:43] <circ-user> ha! i think i know what is wrong with ETK! loop of inludes so i made declaration of class BString; in StringArray.h for example and included String.h only in StringArray.cpp file and so on for any other class.. it compiles one step more.. so that was the problem, some kind of include loop
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[02:22:58] <mattlacey> any ideas why "pkgman update" results in "aborted : No Error (40546600)"
[02:23:55] <waddlesplash> network?
[02:24:01] <waddlesplash> try pkgman full-sync, too
[02:24:11] <mattlacey> I can ping google
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[02:24:15] <mattlacey> not sure how old this VM is
[02:25:37] <mattlacey> same deal
[02:25:44] <mattlacey> I might just grab latest and start fresh :)
[02:26:26] <waddlesplash> mattlacey: can you ping packages.haiku-os.org?
[02:27:13] <mattlacey> yep
[02:27:18] <waddlesplash> idk then
[02:27:31] <mattlacey> yeah, prob a borked image or something
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[03:08:43] <jessicah> mattlacey: yay that uefi works :)
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[03:47:13] <mattlacey> hmmmm
[03:47:21] <mattlacey> just installed the latest nightly onto my VM and now I can't move or close windows :)
[03:47:42] <mattlacey> might have to format first
[03:47:52] <jessicah> lol
[03:50:11] <mattlacey> even has someone who used BeOS, and hsa run Haiku builds on hardware and virtual machines since the first app server
[03:50:26] <mattlacey> I'm still amazed at how fast this is under virtualbox when running on an SSD
[03:50:54] <mattlacey> two minutes to repartition, install and reboot
[03:51:47] <jessicah> :)
[03:52:06] <mattlacey> it's redic!
[03:52:16] <jessicah> yeah, I love how fast it is
[03:55:30] <mattlacey> how much work do you have cut out for you to replace the framebuffer graphics driver with the regular ones in the UEFI builds?
[03:55:46] <mattlacey> I'm thinking I might try and get a wifi dongle or something to use since my ethernet doesn't work
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[03:55:59] <mattlacey> would love to have a proper Haiku install on my PC
[03:56:42] <hundfred> wow sooo many people in here :)
[03:59:06] <jessicah> what do you mean about framebuffer?
[04:03:44] <jessicah> if regular drivers work, they should get used I think
[04:04:07] <jessicah> you may need to blacklist the framebuffer driver though
[04:06:51] <mattlacey> ah
[04:06:56] <mattlacey> I misunderstood the writeup before then
[04:07:04] <mattlacey> I thought the only way EUFI builds worked was with a framebuffer driver
[04:07:15] <mattlacey> I'll tinker tonight a bit
[04:07:24] <mattlacey> it's a 64 bit gcc5 build right?
[04:11:19] <hundfred> &who
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[04:35:12] <jessicah> yup
[04:35:33] <jessicah> framebuffer is a replacement for the vesa driver
[04:36:08] <jessicah> I may end up merging them together, as the code doesn't seem designed to handle having two fallback drivers
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[06:04:06] <waddlesplash> seems quieter in here than usual.
[06:04:19] * waddlesplash should be off studying French, not talking in here, though
[06:09:15] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash great interview btw, very energetic tone
[06:10:08] <waddlesplash> :) thanks
[06:11:36] <mattlacey> c'est bon
[06:11:45] <AlienSoldier> Mais tu peux étudier le francais ici :)
[06:12:20] <mattlacey> uhhh, you can study french a little here also?
[06:12:23] <AlienSoldier> cybersex additional fee apply
[06:12:40] <AlienSoldier> mattlacey yup :)
[06:12:56] <mattlacey> whoop
[06:13:04] <mattlacey> I did a little french at school but forgot most ofit
[06:13:09] <mattlacey> I play with Duo Lingo on and off
[06:13:58] <AlienSoldier> for weird reasons nobody forget "le fromage"
[06:14:09] <mattlacey> lol
[06:14:18] <mattlacey> what's OS in french?
[06:14:27] <mattlacey> systeme de ordinateur or something?
[06:14:27] <mattlacey>
[06:14:31] <AlienSoldier> systeme d'exploitation
[06:14:54] <mattlacey> :)
[06:14:59] <mattlacey> that just sounds bad :)
[06:15:03] <AlienSoldier> in french you are the computer PIMP :P
[06:15:15] <mattlacey> ha ha
[06:15:32] * mattlacey changes his mac to french
[06:15:34] <mattlacey> this can't go wrong
[06:16:44] <AlienSoldier> I keep all interface in english because of habit. Term are a few letters longer in general and that took lot of screen size when monitor where small.
[06:17:52] <mattlacey> yeah I used to do game dev on the GBA/DS
[06:17:53] <AlienSoldier> gladly this word is not in any OS: Anticonstitutionelement
[06:18:12] <mattlacey> when it came to getting the translations back we'd switch to German and everything would be running off the side of boxes/the screen
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[06:22:53] <AlienSoldier> hum, web+ grew a bit, 700K now
[06:23:05] <AlienSoldier> i think it was 400K last time i checked
[06:25:15] <waddlesplash> actually I'm on object pronouns now
[06:25:41] <waddlesplash> "here, take this sentence and turn all the proper nouns into object pronouns, and put them before the verb in the correct order"
[06:25:51] <waddlesplash> so, uh, yeah
[06:26:07] * waddlesplash learns languages best in immersion environments, not brute-force from books
[06:26:27] <waddlesplash> but, a language is required, and the only other options were Greek or Latin, so French it is
[06:26:53] <AlienSoldier> you do a bit of both at the same time, a bit
[06:27:17] <AlienSoldier> greek and latin i mean
[06:27:21] <waddlesplash> yeah
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[06:34:47] <waddlesplash> ok. bed. lots more french to study tomorrow
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[06:40:39] <jessicah> I wish duolingo had chinese mandarin
[06:41:05] <jessicah> very tough language to learn
[06:42:18] <johnny_b> or try hungarian or finnish 8p
[06:46:08] <mattlacey> I did Russian at school too
[06:46:13] <mattlacey> that's on there but tricky to type
[06:46:54] <AlienSoldier> especially with a vodka bottle in one hand :P
[06:47:46] <johnny_b> and another bottle in your stomach ;)
[06:56:30] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] korli 2d080ef - gci blog post: fix typo
[07:02:37] <korli> PulkoMandy: I tried yesterday to rebuild the haikuwebkit on x86_64, but failed: ninja complains it can't find /system/develop/lib/libz.so
[07:04:16] <korli> I was unable to locate the problem (some other packages build successfully), any ideas?
[07:09:30] <PulkoMandy> korli: I don't know, DeadYak had the same problem
[07:11:45] <PulkoMandy> I don't think there is anything special in WebKit build for that, maybe look at cmake log files
[07:11:57] <PulkoMandy> (in WebKitBuild/Release/cmake IIRC)
[07:15:07] <waddlesplash> korli: does the file exist?
[07:15:27] <waddlesplash> iirc zlib might only have so.ver files?
[07:15:55] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy web+ still seem to not always complete file download, so i use the QT browser for that.
[07:16:19] <waddlesplash> korli: and is it in the right package (catattr SYS:PACKAGE /system/...)?
[07:16:21] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: in devel, everything has non-prefixed files
[07:16:26] <PulkoMandy> and yes, the files exists
[07:16:28] <waddlesplash> ah right
[07:16:34] <PulkoMandy> AlienSoldier: bugreports please :)
[07:16:51] <AlienSoldier> yes, i always just give you previews :P
[07:17:04] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: korli: drop into chroot shell and see what's up then
[07:17:22] <waddlesplash> think
[07:17:33] <waddlesplash> anyway. bed for me
[07:17:34] <korli> waddlesplash: I did too, but can't find out what's happening
[07:19:20] <korli> PulkoMandy: ok will try to understand the cmake logs then :)
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[07:31:04] <PulkoMandy> I don't have a 64bit install available to test it
[07:34:56] <korli> I know I updated zlib, maybe it impacted cmake
[07:47:06] <mattlacey> is setgcc gone?
[07:47:21] <mattlacey> I got the latest gcc2 hybrid nightly but can't work out how to switch :)
[07:51:52] <jessicah> setarch now
[07:53:07] <mattlacey> ah ha :)
[07:53:22] <mattlacey> haiku definitely needs some updated docs methinks
[07:54:03] <mattlacey> and it was the first result I got when I searched for "Haiku hybrid switch gcc"
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[08:13:49] <mattlacey> oh cool
[08:13:52] <mattlacey> I'll do that :)
[08:13:58] <mattlacey> I want to get more involved
[08:14:11] <mattlacey> just have trouble splitting my time between work, family and other hobby projects
[08:15:11] <Wizard> Good morning
[08:16:47] <humdinger> Morning!
[08:16:58] <humdinger> mattlacey: lose your other hobbies. :)
[08:17:12] <mattlacey> but they're fun!
[08:17:20] * mattlacey is making a platformer on the Atari ST
[08:17:24] <humdinger> get crappier hobbies then.
[08:17:36] <mattlacey> ha ha
[08:17:40] <mattlacey> right, home time
[08:17:42] <mattlacey> catch you all later
[08:18:05] * humdinger waves
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[08:19:42] <Wizard> Quick question.
[08:20:27] <Wizard> Does pkgman’s current repository reflect nighly builds?
[08:20:43] <humdinger> if it points to "current", yes.
[08:20:59] <Wizard> So that means I just du pkgman update and I have latest nightly?
[08:21:08] <humdinger> yes.
[08:21:15] <Wizard> This is just awesome :D
[08:21:21] <Wizard> Great job, guys.
[08:21:23] <humdinger> it is.
[08:21:27] <humdinger> they did.
[08:22:09] <Wizard> OK, so I need to check which gcc version is included
[08:22:19] <Wizard> Just reading it
[08:23:00] <humdinger> it's 2.95.3 and 5.4.0
[08:23:13] <humdinger> for the hybrid
[08:23:58] <Wizard> 5.4.0, not bad
[08:24:29] <Wizard> Because I assume for writing new software I shall use more modern compiler, right?
[08:25:01] <humdinger> you can at least. you don't necessarily have to.
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[08:25:56] <Wizard> But this is acceptable and people won’t cry it won’t run on BeOS 5? :)
[08:26:28] <humdinger> tell them to upgrade already. :)
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[09:37:39] <raefaldhia> Is it possible to build package outside haikuports directory? ( I have the .recipe in another directory )
[09:45:49] <jessicah> not with haikuporter
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[09:52:48] <humdinger> I think you should be able to set the TREE_PATH in the .conf file.
[09:53:08] <humdinger> the recipe still has to be in a subfolder though.
[09:53:20] <humdinger> like "my-recipes".
[09:53:48] <humdinger> you can make haikuporter use custom conf files.
[09:54:11] <humdinger> jessicah: how are you feeling? did they let you out?
[09:55:11] <Deepanshu> humdinger: I would love to continue contribute to Haiku,I am just a C++ beginner though . Where do I start ?
[09:55:19] <jessicah> still in hospital
[09:55:44] <jessicah> but feel a lot better after surgery
[09:55:45] <humdinger> jessicah: Awww. hope no complications.
[09:55:54] <Wizard> Deepanshu: ^
[09:55:56] <jessicah> not so far
[09:56:05] <Deepanshu> jessicah: You were supposed to be out within 2 days after the surgery
[09:56:19] <Deepanshu> jessicah: I hope there is no pain anymore
[09:57:08] <humdinger> Deepanshu: I think a good way to start developing is having a look at apps at HaikuArchive.
[09:57:39] <raefaldhia> ok thanks
[09:57:40] <humdinger> find one that interests you and fix issues listed or implements fixes/enhancments you'd like to see.
[09:58:23] <humdinger> raefaldhia: I'd just create a subfolder "_my-apps" or something in the haikuports tree and put recipes there.
[09:58:44] <Deepanshu> humdinger: Let me see
[09:59:15] <raefaldhia> humdinger: if there's a feature like pacman -U i'd love that xD
[09:59:38] <Deepanshu> humdinger: How much time it takes for you to build Haiku ?
[10:00:00] <humdinger> 30 minutes from scratch, I'd say, Deepanshu
[10:01:08] <Deepanshu> I think I have to chuck my VM , It takes me 5 hours with VM
[10:01:50] <humdinger> raefaldhia: what does "pacman -U" do exactly? isn't that like "pkgman install mypackage.hpkg" or "pkgman update mypackage"?
[10:02:05] <humdinger> VMs tend to suck....
[10:02:13] <humdinger> I build natively with 8 cores though.
[10:02:25] <humdinger> only 2.3ghz (I think)
[10:03:02] <jessicah> I build in ubuntu vm, takes about 7 minutes
[10:03:13] <jessicah> windows 10 host
[10:03:21] <humdinger> monster cpu?
[10:03:39] <Deepanshu> jessicah: You have got a beast
[10:03:48] <raefaldhia> humdinger: i'm not really sure but archlinux have have makepkg to build AUR and after makepkg done simply install the package with pacman -U
[10:03:50] <jessicah> no, standard desktop class cpu
[10:04:05] <humdinger> download bandwith may also play into it if you build from scratch, maybe
[10:04:16] <jessicah> 3rd gen i5
[10:04:48] <humdinger> I have a i7-4712MQ
[10:05:03] <jessicah> i5-3570K
[10:05:15] <jessicah> not over clocked
[10:05:18] <humdinger> Maybe I should time it...
[10:05:41] <Deepanshu> i5-6200U
[10:05:42] <jessicah> builds take longer under Haiku
[10:05:52] <Deepanshu> 6th gen i5 here
[10:06:16] <jessicah> but that's with four virtual cores assigned to vm
[10:06:30] <jessicah> I also run all ssd
[10:06:34] <humdinger> what image do you build, jessicah?
[10:06:46] <jessicah> spinning disk will be slower
[10:06:59] <humdinger> SSD here too. Won't live without anymore...
[10:07:03] <jessicah> @nightly-raw
[10:07:28] <Deepanshu> SSD is damm costly
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[10:08:23] <jessicah> fast though
[10:08:51] <jessicah> and nvme is crazy fast
[10:09:50] <jessicah> faster than gig ethernet
[10:12:34] <humdinger> downloading all packges alone seems to take 5 minutes...
[10:13:01] <humdinger> and of course it fails. :(
[10:13:06] <jessicah> haha
[10:13:21] <humdinger> I bet it's a package not downloaded yet, or currupted etc.
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[13:02:46] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson b7c7154 - handbrake: bump revision, miscellaneous minor changes.
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[13:54:10] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuporter] fbrosson 180b236 - Configuration: new optional REPOSITORY_PATH parameter (#115)
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[14:08:41] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson a20eb9c - ffmpeg: bump to 3.2.3.
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[14:27:35] <AndrewZ> @barrett Mr. Barrett
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[16:04:09] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 79e0955 - blog/waddlesplash: New post about the Lunduke Hour interview.
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[16:23:13] <Barrett> AndrewZ hi
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[16:36:36] <tojoko> hi
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[17:15:05] <Barrett> AndrewZ, what kind of files you find working better in UltraDV?
[17:15:31] <Barrett> I'm under the impression your files works better than mine
[17:15:45] <Barrett> I have mostly bad quality stuff anyway
[17:16:51] <AndrewZ> for importing video files?
[17:17:12] <AndrewZ> you can import JPG stills
[17:18:10] <AndrewZ> You were correct about recording video. Record() is not implemented
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[17:26:08] <Barrett> AndrewZ, I mean video files mostly
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[17:29:23] <Barrett> AndrewZ, I mean video files mostly
[17:30:10] <AndrewZ> ok
[17:30:21] <AndrewZ> I have a selection of AVI files
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[18:56:19] <HaikuUser> hello all
[18:57:06] <Barrett_> AndrewZ, MediaFile can be used but at it's point it's better to use the private mediaextractor class
[18:57:37] <Barrett_> what we need is a demuxer/extractor media node
[18:59:26] <humdinger> hi HaikuUser
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[18:59:44] <humdinger> what a nice video editor under linux?
[18:59:50] <humdinger> 'what's
[19:00:20] <waddlesplash> Kdenlive?
[19:00:49] <humdinger> I'll try that then, thanks.
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[19:02:54] <idi0tf0wl> yo
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[19:10:30] <Barrett_> AndrewZ, you might be able to do something with the MediaWriter addon but it's not included by default
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[19:13:41] <pisarz1958> hey people
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[19:14:06] <humdinger> hello pisarz1958
[19:14:07] <jjido> Hey
[19:16:10] <pisarz1958> quick question. getting "did not find any boot partitons" half way through boot process while booting from usb3. any chance its just my flash drive acting up or image not being written correcly?
[19:16:15] <pisarz1958> latest nightly
[19:17:49] <jjido> Which image did you use ?
[19:18:30] <pisarz1958> raw one, dd-ing the anyboot one didn't boot at all
[19:18:41] <humdinger> usb3 support is a bit incomplete still.
[19:18:49] <humdinger> anyboot is normally the way to go.
[19:18:57] <humdinger> did you try other usb ports?
[19:19:32] <pisarz1958> it's usb3-only and I can't find any option in the BIOS
[19:20:18] <humdinger> that may be a problem...
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[19:22:01] <pisarz1958> yeah, I expect that to happen but wanted to rule that one out first before reporting
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[19:22:54] <pisarz1958> nvm
[19:23:06] <pisarz1958> just my flash drive
[19:23:31] <jjido> Does it work with another
[19:23:49] <pisarz1958> yeah, used win32diskimager + anyboot + another drive
[19:23:54] <pisarz1958> just booted
[19:26:42] <pisarz1958> nice to see it on an actual hardware, it's been a long time
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[19:27:35] <jjido> Is your wireless supported
[19:27:58] <pisarz1958> nope
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[19:28:19] <swift110> hey guys
[19:28:29] <humdinger> hullo swift110
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[19:28:58] <swift110> how are you humdinger
[19:29:13] <humdinger> grand, just grand... :)
[19:30:08] <swift110> I am watching that video now
[19:30:22] <swift110> its been a long time since I have used haiku in vbox
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[19:31:03] <humdinger> I recently ran in VB, too. not running too bad.
[19:32:06] <humdinger> one thing I notice compared to running native is that the mouse pointer doesn't move as smooth and precise.
[19:32:21] <humdinger> anyone know if that can be improved?
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[19:36:59] <Diver> humdinger: did you try with usb tablet option?
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[19:37:42] <humdinger> yes. that's for "mouse integration", right? doesn't change smoothness, I think.
[19:38:10] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli dbf59d7 - zlib: touch the library to force a valid mtime.
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[19:39:27] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 40e57a2 - zlib: touch the library to force a valid mtime.
[19:39:58] <waddlesplash> wait that was the bug
[19:39:59] <waddlesplash> lol
[19:41:46] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, I can't find the ticket but I'm wondering if the changes to the mouse driver taking out range -100 to 100 are to blame
[19:43:08] <waddlesplash> humdinger: actually usb tablet is much smoother
[19:43:14] <waddlesplash> uses native pointer smoothness
[19:43:14] <waddlesplash> so, yes, use that
[19:43:55] <humdinger> I think I did that, but still wasn't as smooth as when native or in linux outside the VB.
[19:43:59] <Skipp_OSX> I doubt it, but, it's one of the few changes that I could impact the mouse smoothness
[19:44:38] <humdinger> it's not totally awful as is, just wondering if there's something that can be done.
[19:44:58] <humdinger> many people use VB and there may have been some hidden tricks...
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[19:47:25] <Skipp_OSX> hrev40583
[19:48:02] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, the real fix, is hardware cursor support, which we don't yet have driver support for
[19:48:11] <humdinger> Skipp_OSX: thanks. I think I'll try that tomorrow.
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[19:49:23] <Skipp_OSX> humdinger, I am curious if that has any affect since somebody put that code in for a reason, even though it has problems on vbox it might work better on real hardware
[19:51:42] <Skipp_OSX> err effect
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[20:02:36] <humdinger> waddlesplash: just finished watching your interview. Well done!
[20:04:09] <waddlesplash> :)
[20:05:20] <jua_> currently watching it and I agree, well done!
[20:06:55] <Diver> humdinger: from my experience Haiku in vmware runs much smoother
[20:07:34] <humdinger> Diver: Is that easy to set up under linux?
[20:08:12] <Diver> yeah, the same as vbox really
[20:09:14] <humdinger> Diver: OK. I'll try that one too tomorrow..
[20:09:24] <Diver> vesa works much faster, so moving windows don't lag as in vbox
[20:09:47] <humdinger> cool. that's another peeve I have with VB.
[20:09:49] <Diver> and it used to be the other way around a few years ago
[20:10:04] <waddlesplash> humdinger: I did a manual import
[20:10:12] <waddlesplash> so no that ticket is still not fixed
[20:10:20] <humdinger> OK
[20:10:45] <humdinger> (that's the empty Repositories prefs entry)
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[20:30:41] <waddlesplash> oh ok
[20:36:44] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 801752b - phantomlimb: patch is upstreamed.
[20:36:45] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli efdc260 - foldershaper: patch is upstreamed.
[20:36:47] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli f7c6918 - nightandday: patch is upstreamed.
[20:50:40] <HAIKU-irker458> c61ee6ac0451: Update haikuwebkit and zlib packages for x86_64.
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[21:09:27] <pisarz1958> USB 3.0 support works better than I expected, really
[21:10:27] * PulkoMandy tries to identify exact thinkpad model
[21:10:35] <PulkoMandy> picture is too blurry :p
[21:11:15] <pisarz1958> t440s
[21:11:42] <pisarz1958> yeah, bad lighting
[21:12:03] <pisarz1958> and everything else
[21:12:17] <pisarz1958> Couldn't take a better picture
[21:13:53] <pisarz1958> that buttonless touchpad is as useless as on basically any Linux distro, not that it's any better on Windows either
[21:16:01] <PulkoMandy> good to know that Linux also has trouble with those…
[21:16:16] <PulkoMandy> synaptics publishes the specs for it, but it needs quite a lot of software processing to do things right
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[21:16:29] <PulkoMandy> but, you have a trackpoint anyway. why would you use the touchpad?
[21:17:13] <pisarz1958> Buttonless touchpad makes it really awkward to use it
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[21:21:17] <pisarz1958> You can enable "classic mode" in which touchpad is acting as a big button, but having to press it all the way down is kinda annoying
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[21:21:50] <ddavid123> Hello Haiku world! Long time no chat!
[21:23:26] <ddavid123> I would rather chat here or in a forum than on a "social media" site like facebook or twitter!
[21:23:42] <pisarz1958> hey
[21:23:54] <ddavid123> Annonymous chatting is a plus for me
[21:23:58] <ddavid123> hey
[21:24:43] <PulkoMandy> hi
[21:25:04] <ddavid123> Hi PulkoMandy
[21:25:16] <ddavid123> How have you been doing?
[21:25:29] <PulkoMandy> pisarz1958: well we could hack the driver for this special case: using the touchpad only as clicks, and never to move the mouse
[21:26:01] <PulkoMandy> ddavid123: mostly fine. still too much things to do in haiku and not enough time, but at least I don't get too bored this way
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[21:26:23] <ddavid123> True enough
[21:26:40] <ddavid123> Too much on the plate and not enought time to eat it
[21:27:04] <pisarz1958> with Haiku, the thing is, clicks barely get registered at all (on Linux, every time you're trying to get it to click, it moves your pointer in a random spot, classic clickpads)
[21:27:27] <ddavid123> Any inside info on a potential Beta 1 release this year? lol
[21:27:29] <tojoko> pisarz1958, use a mouse
[21:27:51] <ddavid123> I have hearing rumors
[21:27:56] <PulkoMandy> ddavid123: I still can't give any timeline
[21:28:05] <ddavid123> I know
[21:28:16] <ddavid123> but can you give me a time range
[21:28:20] <pisarz1958> tojoko: I'm just happy I could get it to boot, haven't ran Haiku on a real HW for a year or so.
[21:28:30] <PulkoMandy> we need some space on the main server (or elsewhere) for a new vm to host the package stuff
[21:28:39] <PulkoMandy> then we need to get the package system running there
[21:28:43] <PulkoMandy> then we will be good to go
[21:29:02] <PulkoMandy> I would say this does not require a huge amount of time, but the situation has been the same for most of 2016 already
[21:29:19] <ddavid123> I have been gone for a few years and alot have been done in my absense
[21:29:36] <ddavid123> And I still can't spell
[21:29:38] <ddavid123> lol
[21:29:39] <PulkoMandy> and getting the things up on the server isn't my responsibility (I'm not part of the sysadmin team)
[21:29:53] <PulkoMandy> so, go ask these guys when they plan to finally do it
[21:30:03] <tojoko> ddavid123, Beta 1 release is just around the corner! ;)
[21:30:24] <ddavid123> People have been saying that since 2013
[21:30:47] <tojoko> ddavid123, right - that's what i mean. :)
[21:30:57] <ddavid123> Package Management has been a pain in the torso
[21:31:27] <ddavid123> But it looks cool now
[21:31:41] <ddavid123> There is even a graphical repostitory changer
[21:31:44] <ddavid123> cool
[21:31:56] <pisarz1958> tojoko: this wlan card won't work, there was no driver for it until FreeBSD 11 (not sure which drivers Haiku has right now)
[21:32:11] <ddavid123> Just need a graphical updater and I will be happy
[21:32:27] <pisarz1958> the built-in one at least, the USB one is probably a lost cause :D
[21:33:18] <ddavid123> Is there an electron app now?
[21:34:06] <tojoko> pisarz1958, what manufactor?
[21:34:40] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 0e8fd3a - contact: Protect against spam somewhat more.
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[21:38:06] <pisarz1958> tojoko: built-in one is from Intel. 7260, to be exact. There is a driver in FreeBSD 11 for that.
[21:42:17] <tojoko> ok, doesn't sound very familiar to me.
[21:43:39] <PulkoMandy> pisarz1958: Haiku has mostly FreeBSD 9 drivers, except for 1 which was recently updated to FreeBSD 11. It turns out there were not too much changes in the driver API, at least for the parts used by that particular driver
[21:45:08] <tojoko> pisarz1958, that means, you can do it easily all by yourself. ;)
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[21:54:10] <PulkoMandy> you can at least try by yourself to update the driver sources and see how far that gets you
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[21:55:22] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] pulkomandy 190bc44 - GSOC 2017: remove ideas without mentor or description
[21:57:22] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 72425f2 - thememanager: patch is upstreamed.
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[22:02:40] <cancercake> fullspeed too
[22:03:54] <johnny_b> wow
[22:04:31] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 0d54cb3 - caya: patch is upstreamed.
[22:05:41] <cancercake> this is the most accurate psx emulator out there. it's quite demanding
[22:07:24] <cancercake> i expected at least some sound skipping or crackling, but nope
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[22:15:22] <johnny_b> cancercake: app name?
[22:17:29] <PulkoMandy> mednafen
[22:17:38] <PulkoMandy> if I guess correctly from the things in the background
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[22:19:50] <cancercake> yes it's mednafen
[22:20:37] <cancercake> i had to do "setarch x86" and aclocal but i didn't change any code
[22:23:14] <johnny_b> so it runs smoothly?
[22:28:25] <cancercake> apart from the tearing yes
[22:28:35] <cancercake> i didn't notice any slowdown or anything
[22:28:59] <johnny_b> amazing
[22:30:20] <cancercake> mednafen is also the best saturn emulator but we need amd64 for that. i haven't tried haiku's amd64 port
[22:33:12] <PulkoMandy> should be even faster
[22:33:38] <PulkoMandy> (because everything is build with a modern compiler allowed to use modern instructions in the CPU)
[22:34:42] <cancercake> i'll make sure to download haiku amd64 then :)
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[22:58:47] <HAIKU-irker458> 551b87cb9cbd: sync more packages with release branch.
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