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[00:00:27] <tojoko> hi
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[00:10:02] <tojoko> !seen paradoxon
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[00:39:09] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±5] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4963185249d8...9742f09c91e9
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[00:39:11] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 9742f09 - Add $secondaryArchSuffix to cmd:libtoolize for 5 recipes.
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[01:28:19] <waddlesplash> hey tojoko
[01:28:31] <waddlesplash> nice to see you around :)
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[01:39:52] <tojoko> hi waddlesplash . nice to see you too.
[01:40:22] <tojoko> although i'm actually lookin' for paradoxon. He said, i should make an presentation at my university and so i now did.
[01:40:30] <tojoko> about haiku os.
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[01:49:42] <waddlesplash> cool!
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[01:53:28] <tojoko> year, and i think i'm goin' to repeat it until it's a good one. :)
[01:58:14] <tojoko> well, gotta go to bed. good night.
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[02:27:09] <HAIKU-irker458> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50931 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d10e64f8517d+%5Edaf431d22f8e
[02:27:10] <HAIKU-irker458> d10e64f8517d: app_server: Enable the RGB subpixel rendering codepath.
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[04:02:37] <waddlesplash> KDDLB: so what do you think?
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[04:02:42] <KDDLB> looks nice
[04:02:55] <waddlesplash> :)
[04:03:40] <waddlesplash> and there are actually even more software ports in the ports tree
[04:03:47] <waddlesplash> which there aren't prebuilt packages for
[04:04:04] <waddlesplash> (someone actually got Blender running. O_o)
[04:04:11] <KDDLB> oh wow
[04:04:22] <KDDLB> I just wonder
[04:04:32] <KDDLB> what could've been if Apple bought Be instead of NeXT
[04:04:49] <waddlesplash> don't we all?
[04:05:05] <KDDLB> heh
[04:05:26] <waddlesplash> instead, we've just sat in BGA's basement since 2002, rewriting everything from scratch
[04:05:56] <waddlesplash> (well, not me, I wasn't around at all until 2012)
[04:06:28] <KDDLB> :p
[04:06:51] <KDDLB> I think I used BeOS PE, like, once
[04:07:27] <waddlesplash> I was a toddler when people were first running BeOS PE :p
[04:07:41] <KDDLB> I used it way past its age I think
[04:07:48] <waddlesplash> everyone did
[04:07:50] <KDDLB> I'm 22 y/o
[04:07:51] <KDDLB> XD
[04:08:04] <KDDLB> >March 2000
[04:08:05] <waddlesplash> until R1a4, TuneTracker Systems used BeOS in production radio setups
[04:08:15] <waddlesplash> (now they finally are using Haiku)
[04:08:19] <KDDLB> hah
[04:08:34] <waddlesplash> they still have a lot of customers with BeOS boxes I think
[04:08:41] <waddlesplash> but they don't provide support for that anymore iirc
[04:08:59] <KDDLB> I've never seen BeOS in the wild
[04:09:04] <waddlesplash> http://tunetrackersystems.com/
[04:09:29] <KDDLB> "just $999"
[04:09:44] <waddlesplash> that's kinda cheap for radio gear
[04:09:55] <KDDLB> aha
[04:10:45] <KDDLB> has TuneTracker contributed to Haiku?
[04:11:07] <waddlesplash> yep
[04:11:18] <KDDLB> nice
[04:11:25] <waddlesplash> there's really only two guys -- Dane, who sometimes appears in here, and runs the show
[04:11:30] <waddlesplash> and ttcoder, who, uh, does most of the coding
[04:11:40] <KDDLB> :p
[04:11:48] <waddlesplash> they've got quite a lot of interesting bug reports
[04:12:08] <waddlesplash> and have contributed a few patches, plus funded partially or completely a good number of contracts
[04:12:24] <waddlesplash> as well as given us source code to various things that we incorporated into Haiku
[04:13:22] <KDDLB> interesting
[04:16:34] <waddlesplash> yeah, Haiku's quite the project to work on :)
[04:22:27] <mattlacey> whoah
[04:22:33] <mattlacey> awesome to see they've switched TT over to Haiku
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[04:26:07] <waddlesplash> mattlacey: oh they did that a long while back
[04:26:10] <waddlesplash> in 2013 I think
[04:26:14] <mattlacey> oh wow
[04:26:16] <mattlacey> had no idea
[04:26:19] <mattlacey> impressive
[04:26:46] <mattlacey> I got Jessicah's UEFI image to boot on my PC the other day...
[04:26:55] <mattlacey> crashed after 60 seconds or so but that's real progress
[04:27:16] <KDDLB> it still uses Ye Olde MBR?
[04:27:35] <mattlacey> nah it's got GPT support now
[04:27:38] <KDDLB> oh
[04:28:23] <waddlesplash> mattlacey: kernel or desktop crash?
[04:28:38] <mattlacey> well it didn't enter KDB
[04:28:38] <waddlesplash> there was some strange desktop hang on UEFI loader I think that may have not been resolved
[04:28:42] <mattlacey> everything just froze
[04:28:45] <mattlacey> yeah I think it's that
[04:28:50] <waddlesplash> jessicah: ^
[04:28:57] <waddlesplash> I think she said it was something about media prefs?
[04:28:58] <waddlesplash> idk
[04:28:59] <mattlacey> seems odd to me that it'd be related to UEFI after running for a while, but you never know
[04:29:02] <mattlacey> could be a timeout or something
[04:29:09] <waddlesplash> no, not UEFI related directly
[04:29:14] <mattlacey> it didn't find my network card either which is a shame
[04:29:15] <waddlesplash> just something that I think UEFI doesn't have or the like
[04:29:20] <mattlacey> yeah
[04:29:29] <mattlacey> I need to learn how to debug stuff like that
[04:29:43] * waddlesplash hasn't tried UEFI loader in VBox yet
[04:29:47] <waddlesplash> wonder what would happen
[04:29:53] <waddlesplash> or if VBox debugger could be useful at all
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[04:32:03] <jessicah> mattlacey: have you tried booting in safe mode
[04:34:15] <mattlacey> nah I didn't actually
[04:34:27] <mattlacey> I only did the one boot
[04:34:30] <mattlacey> I'll give safe mode a crack tonight
[04:34:41] <mattlacey> I'll see if I can get serial output working as well maybe if that's of any use?
[04:34:50] <mattlacey> can probably do a null modem cable over to my DOS machine :)
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[04:39:11] <jessicah> :)
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[07:19:02] <korli> boo the website seems off, the last blog post from pulkomandy is missing
[07:23:30] <PulkoMandy> korli: possibly because of the incident yesterday: https://netlifystatus.com/
[07:23:49] <PulkoMandy> maybe it will be re-generated properly next time someone pushes something to the repo?
[07:23:58] <PulkoMandy> or maybe waddlesplash can manually trigger a rebuild
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[07:29:01] <waddlesplash> oh yeah i can
[07:29:03] <waddlesplash> will do
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[07:31:26] <waddlesplash> deploying
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[07:33:51] <waddlesplash> fixed now
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[07:45:04] <korli> thanks!
[07:46:01] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9742f09c91e9...10b2bb8dffa8
[07:46:03] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] fbrosson 10b2bb8 - git: bump to 2.11.1.
[07:46:32] <korli> btw I thought the GCI end report would be published by now
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[13:47:56] <postmen> hi
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[14:38:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/10b2bb8dffa8...f63ce99feebf
[14:38:15] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] miqlas f63ce99 - Fish: bump version, patches upstreamed (#1138)
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[15:44:25] <AndrewZ> @miqlas hey Miqlas
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[15:45:53] <AndrewZ> when possible, would love to get a description of the process to build Blender
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[16:03:47] <Barrett> AndrewZ, the recipe?
[16:11:04] <AndrewZ> Hey Barrett
[16:11:26] <Barrett> hi
[16:11:28] <AndrewZ> I don't understand the process to use haikuporter
[16:11:35] <AndrewZ> but it might be good to learn
[16:11:45] <Barrett> recipes are mostly lists of commands
[16:11:51] <AndrewZ> current recipe looks to be out of date
[16:12:01] <Barrett> even if you don't want to use it directly you can grab the build commands
[16:12:05] <AndrewZ> yes, Python commands?
[16:12:34] <Barrett> the build section is mostly like a bash script
[16:12:39] <AndrewZ> and haikuporter looks for an existing directory structure?
[16:12:46] <Barrett> look yourself it'll be easier to understand
[16:13:00] <Barrett> than for me to explain :)
[16:13:01] <AndrewZ> I did some reading of the articles, but this is not addressed
[16:13:08] <Barrett> perhaps look at a simple recipe like which
[16:13:27] <AndrewZ> I have looked at the Blender recipe
[16:13:36] <Barrett> haikuporter looks for system paths and other things to create the package and build it with the right paths
[16:13:45] <AndrewZ> but I can't just run haikuporter against the recipe, it gives an error
[16:13:52] <Barrett> if you don't understand it look for something simpler like which
[16:13:58] <Barrett> and then go on it
[16:14:08] <Barrett> it's probably outdated
[16:14:19] <AndrewZ> yes, I think so
[16:14:20] <Barrett> or missing dependencies
[16:14:32] <Barrett> use --no-dependencies to avoid building the world
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[16:18:53] <Barrett> hi humdinger
[16:19:02] <humdinger> hullo Barrett!
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[16:22:43] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] humdingerb created branch fonts - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
[16:22:44] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to fonts [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/859a17f75a4a
[16:22:46] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 859a17f - New versions of DejaVu and Noto fonts
[16:26:42] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] humdingerb deleted branch fonts - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
[16:26:44] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb deleted branch fonts
[16:28:03] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] humdingerb created branch fonts - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
[16:28:04] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to fonts [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/commit/859a17f75a4a
[16:28:06] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 859a17f - New versions of DejaVu and Noto fonts
[16:28:41] <humdinger> I'm so stupid...
[16:28:59] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports] humdingerb deleted branch fonts - https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports
[16:29:00] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb deleted branch fonts
[16:41:46] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f63ce99feebf...859a17f75a4a
[16:41:48] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 859a17f - New versions of DejaVu and Noto fonts
[16:41:57] <humdinger> 3rd time's a charm...
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[17:51:47] <miqlas-H64> The latest WebPositive is a bit... you know... crashy
[17:53:19] <humdinger> only on youtube (for me)
[17:56:36] <postmen> hi miqlas
[17:59:49] <miqlas-H64> humy, then you got a kiss from Fortune, i haven't.
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[18:00:00] <miqlas-H64> postmaster, hey!
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[18:51:10] <miqlas-H64> humy: how would you translate "lebensziel" to english?
[18:51:28] <miqlas-H64> reasonto live?
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[18:55:06] <miqlas-H64> Oh, yeah, its nullpointer
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[19:00:31] <Hugen_> hi
[19:00:37] <Hugen_> jessicah
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[19:17:00] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/859a17f75a4a...3b448a14a98c
[19:17:01] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] dacianf 3b448a1 - I've fixed 2 recipe, one for zziplib and one for zopfli (#937)
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[19:48:31] <tidux> so I hear the Haiku project is looking for a build-master server
[19:48:56] <tidux> would a dual socket Xeon with 24GB RAM and a bunch of SSDs suffice?
[19:50:57] <postmen> miqlas, https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/lebensziel
[19:53:34] <miqlas-H64> postmen: good idea, but my WebPositive crashing all the time.
[19:54:20] <miqlas-H64> but maybe you can tell me, what "lebensziel" ist. Is ist actually your reason to live, if i translate it correctly.
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[19:54:47] <miqlas-H64> The tthing what you want to achieve durig your lifetime.
[19:55:27] <miqlas-H64> tidux: it could be a capable iron, let's see, what the haiku devs thinks.
[19:56:24] <miqlas-H64> but as they (i think) want to have a realible iron, they maybe wn't accept anything 3rd party thing.
[19:57:19] <postmen> aim in life or life's goal.
[19:57:25] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H64: can't be worse than the machine currently used
[19:57:43] <miqlas-H64> postmen: but my compiler bailing out on ReasonToLive. Undefined..... :(
[19:57:59] <PulkoMandy> tidux: even a raspberry pi would do the job as a buildmaster. all it does is uploading files to other machines and telling them which commands to run
[19:58:08] <miqlas-H64> postmen: they also undefined.
[19:58:48] <postmen> miqlas, sorry, I'm not gettin' what u re tryin' to tell me.
[19:58:58] <PulkoMandy> but since you have a lot of ram, if you are not doing anything with that machine, maybe we can make it buildmaster AND make a vm or two inside it to act as buildslaves
[19:59:05] <geist> tidux: probably though i dunno who would host it
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[19:59:16] <miqlas-H64> NO REASON TO LIVE FOR.
[19:59:31] <postmen> u or the compiler message!? ;)
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[19:59:48] <miqlas-H64> postmen: i'm not sure anymore.
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[20:00:53] * PulkoMandy packs stuff for FOSDEM
[20:02:46] <miqlas-H64> I thought i should talk with PulkoMandy about this thing at BG, because he surely had nullpointer problems, but i wasjust too chicken to comfront him.
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[20:08:06] <postmen> miqlas, well, i'm sorry but i'm afraid such details as pointers are behyond my scope still.
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[20:13:10] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/210f2e592a57...ce729380007b
[20:13:11] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] humdingerb ce72938 - Added GCI videos and link to BeGeistert playlists
[20:13:18] <PulkoMandy> everyone get caught by null pointers, don't worry about that
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[20:19:20] <mmu_man> :)
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[20:45:10] <ohnx> :)
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[20:51:54] <miqlas> Umm.
[20:52:34] <miqlas> I got an email from a math Prof from US today about my ports.
[20:53:06] <miqlas> He asked me for what kind of problem are we using ATLAS
[20:54:18] <ohnx> oh man ATLAS
[20:55:09] <miqlas> I answerd him it is just a "why not" project, but there is something in the background: Wthe mathemathicians surely clever peoples, and i would like to attract them with the standard math apps. support libs and things like that, so they can use Haiku as main platform, and later contribute to make something great.
[20:55:31] <miqlas> ohnx, the ATLAS patchset sent to upstream already.
[20:56:23] <ohnx> yeah you saying ATLAS reminded me that i had to look up something :p
[20:56:50] <miqlas> it is in Europe, do not take your atlas
[20:57:05] <ohnx> https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/AtlasPublic/HiggsPublicResults is what i forgot about :p
[20:57:40] <miqlas> Is it about the Higgs brson?
[20:58:16] <miqlas> boson
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[21:01:56] <ohnx> yeah
[21:02:43] <AndrewZ> what means this ATLAS?
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[21:11:36] <johnny_b> AndrewZ: Automatically Tuned Linear Algebra Software (sw library)
[21:13:48] <AndrewZ> nice, is it running now?
[21:15:11] <AndrewZ> I did a port of PICAT language, very power - http://www.picat-lang.org/
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[21:28:58] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] jessicah pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/ce729380007b...4f0bb0944cc4
[21:28:59] <Not-d513> [haiku/website] jessicah 4f0bb09 - Fix typo in movies.html
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[21:36:26] <Premislaus> Hej!
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[22:18:05] <Premislaus> There is no possible to view pendrive in Terminal under Haiku?
[22:19:01] <Premislaus> ~/Desktop> cd /dev/disk/usb/0/0/
[22:19:01] <Premislaus> 0 raw
[22:19:02] <Premislaus> ~/Desktop> cd /dev/disk/usb/0/0/raw
[22:19:02] <Premislaus> bash: cd: /dev/disk/usb/0/0/raw: Not a directory
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[22:25:37] <jessicah> raw is a file representing the entire disk
[22:32:17] <tidux> Premislaus: that's the device node, not a filesystem
[22:32:21] <tidux> you have to mount it first, lol
[22:32:43] <Premislaus> tidux I mounted it firstly!
[22:32:53] <Premislaus> tidux Where is path to filesystem?
[22:36:14] <tidux> well that depends where you mounted it, doesn't it?
[22:42:59] <Premislaus> tidux Trackaer mounted it. Volume does not have name
[22:43:11] <Premislaus> Tracker
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[22:43:48] <tidux> well in that case just open the folder via Tracker and use "open terminal here" to find out what the pathname is
[22:45:13] <tidux> you could also use "df" to get a list via the terminal, although that output is a little more complex to parse mentally ;)
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[22:53:17] <Premislaus> tidux thanks
[22:53:47] <Premislaus> tidux / fat 14.5G 0 --M-PR- /dev/disk/usb/0/0/0
[22:54:35] <Premislaus> tidux and with "cd /" is normal root. I think partition must have name...
[22:57:02] <tidux> either that or you're running off a FAT32 filesystem as your actual root
[22:57:14] <tidux> you clearly fucked something up here
[22:59:31] <Premislaus> tidux I have installed Haiku on BFS
[22:59:48] <Premislaus> /boot bfs 40.0G 34.2G QAM-P-W /dev/disk/scsi/0/0/0/4
[22:59:48] <Premislaus> /boot/system packagefs 4.0K 4.0K QAM-P--
[22:59:48] <Premislaus> /boot/home/config
[22:59:49] <Premislaus> packagefs 4.0K 4.0K QAM-P--
[22:59:50] <Premislaus> / fat 14.5G 0 --M-PR- /dev/disk/usb/0/0/0
[23:00:12] <Premislaus> from
[23:00:29] <Premislaus> from "df"
[23:00:34] <tidux> lol yeah you managed to mount it as your root partition
[23:00:37] <tidux> good job genius
[23:01:07] <Premislaus> tidux I not managed, I plugged flas stick, then tracker popup appear
[23:01:20] <Premislaus> and I mounted it, by button
[23:02:18] <tidux> yeah you clearly did something wrong here
[23:02:47] <Premislaus> I think there is another oversight in Haiku, like this - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13096#comment:1
[23:03:42] <Premislaus> BTW I don't know why Volcan Death Grip does not work on my laptop, I had recently two hard freezes. alt gr + print screen (sysrq) + d
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[23:25:17] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3b448a14a98c...8d81959ce63c
[23:25:18] <Not-d513> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc 8d81959 - Remove unneeded comment from Description
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[23:43:06] <premislaus> I created ticket - https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13273
[23:43:07] <kentaromiura_> it seems I cannot compile pe from source
[23:43:14] <kentaromiura_> it tells me I need pcre
[23:43:32] <kentaromiura_> from haikudepot it shows I have both libpcre and libpcre_x86
[23:44:51] <jessicah> you also need _devel
[23:44:57] <jessicah> I think
[23:45:06] <kentaromiura_> let me check
[23:45:39] <jessicah> premislaus: it looks like it has a space in the name
[23:45:46] <jessicah> try cd /\ /
[23:46:08] <Leonard> Hi, I'm ramping up to help with the effort. I was trying out x86_64 on my Intel NUC. WebPositive crashes upon startup. Do you all want this bug reported? If so, does it go against Milestone: R2? Sorry for my confusion. I will continue to study.
[23:46:30] <kentaromiura_> that was it jessicah, thanks
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