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[05:44:33] <Duggan> humdinger, I don't really care about the makefile, I use Paladin :P I just included it as a courtesy, but if it's a problem, I'd be happy to exclude it :) I don't even get any warnings as far as the 0 vs (int32)0, so as far as I'm concerned, it's all correct :P
[05:46:35] <jessicah> I don't understand why the compiler can't automatically promote a constant int in those circumstances
[05:46:37] <jessicah> it's bizarre
[05:50:00] <Duggan> works fine for me
[05:50:06] <Duggan> like i said, no errors
[05:50:11] <Duggan> no warnings*
[05:51:10] <Duggan> anyway, gotta get to work early in the morning so I guess I'm off for a short nap
[05:51:12] <Duggan> take it easy :)
[05:53:38] <waddlesplash> Duggan: so, uh, are we joining forces, IDE-wise? :p
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[06:05:17] <jjholt> I really wish I could use Haiku but I always have one piece of critical hardware thats not supported
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[06:06:45] <scottmc> jjholtwhat critical piece of hardware do you have that isn't supported?
[06:07:52] <jjholt> WiFi BCM43224
[06:08:17] <scottmc> does you machine have an ethernet port?
[06:08:37] <jjholt> yeah,
[06:09:09] <scottmc> i had to work aroud my wifi chip not working, added a wireless bridge
[06:09:46] <scottmc> but my sound doesn't work :(
[06:10:27] <scottmc> my laptop has atheros wifi and it works great.
[06:11:13] <jjholt> I thought about getting one of those but other haiku it would be redundant. Maybe I'll just run haiku in a box
[06:11:17] <scottmc> is your wifi on a card or hard wired to mobo?
[06:11:40] <jjholt> scottmc, its a m-pcie card
[06:12:01] <scottmc> you can find atheros ones on ebay cheap
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[07:18:02] <PulkoMandy> jjholt: does your broadcom chip have a driver in FreeBSD? Maybe we can try to port that
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[07:18:36] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: regarding (int32)0, the problem is usually not promoting, but deciding between promotion to int32, and promotion to void*
[07:19:12] <PulkoMandy> and the two leading to different function prototypes and the compiler can't decide which one to use
[07:19:55] <jessicah> ah
[07:20:15] <jessicah> can't move to newer c++ soon enough...
[07:20:38] <jessicah> nullptr would solve such problems
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[07:24:12] <scottmc> why does haikuporter fail and create an empty .git file in the sources folder?
[07:26:23] <scottmc> whoah -v actually gave me a more verbose answer for once!
[07:29:10] <jessicah> :)
[07:29:24] <scottmc> missing dependencies
[07:31:43] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: I posted to ml about font stuffs
[07:32:07] <waddlesplash> looks like enabling subpixel I Freetype and app server is a huge difference
[07:32:33] <waddlesplash> oh you just replied
[07:33:26] <PulkoMandy> well yes, of course it is :)
[07:33:38] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: we are not a US based company?
[07:33:49] <waddlesplash> technicaly haiku Inc has nothing to do with this?
[07:34:02] <waddlesplash> HaikuPorts and the Inc are not connected :p
[07:34:09] <PulkoMandy> yeah, "technically". You don't want someone to attack them on this :>
[07:34:28] <waddlesplash> well Ubuntu ships the Freetype with spaa to usa
[07:34:30] <PulkoMandy> but as I said, just have the two packages available
[07:34:32] <waddlesplash> including USA mirrors
[07:34:41] <PulkoMandy> also for TuneTracker Systems if they want to be clean, etc
[07:35:05] <waddlesplash> not just serving it from UK or whatever
[07:35:25] <PulkoMandy> not that I care personally but it used to be an option when freetype was in tree, and I don't see why it shouldn't be an option now
[07:35:42] <PulkoMandy> what we ship as default is another discussion, but at least let's provide the options
[07:35:52] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: you realise we ship ffmpeg with mp4 devs enabled right
[07:36:13] <PulkoMandy> yes, something else we should fix :)
[07:36:15] <waddlesplash> and MPEGLA actually DOES mitigate against people who don't pay their dues
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[07:36:30] <waddlesplash> well they never sued a non profit before
[07:36:44] <waddlesplash> and Microsoft has not sued anyone ever over ClearType
[07:36:51] <PulkoMandy> did they sue annyone? or just threaten and collect money before a trial?
[07:37:01] <jessicah> the issue with shipping separate freetype packages is you also need to change how app_server is compiled
[07:37:11] <waddlesplash> jessicah: nop
[07:37:26] <jessicah> waddlesplash: didn't you say you had to change something in app_server?
[07:37:26] <waddlesplash> Freetype with and without spaa is binary compatible
[07:37:28] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: you can enable the app_server part, it doesn't make any difference if the freetype doesn't support AA
[07:37:30] <waddlesplash> intentionally
[07:37:35] <waddlesplash> yep
[07:37:45] <jessicah> but I mean, doesn't that affect the output of freetype?
[07:38:04] <waddlesplash> no, it just computes RGB I think
[07:38:23] <waddlesplash> rather than optimising and doing only 1 channel for grayscale
[07:38:37] <PulkoMandy> it gives you R=G=B if the subpixel is disabled, and 3 different values if enabled in freetype
[07:38:52] <PulkoMandy> so the first case results in exactly the same rendering we have currently
[07:38:59] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: actually I think agg does some subpixel internally too
[07:39:04] <PulkoMandy> and I must run to work now
[07:39:08] <waddlesplash> but that's not fonts
[07:39:14] <PulkoMandy> yes, all AGG rendering is subpixel
[07:39:17] <waddlesplash> so no patents
[07:39:21] <waddlesplash> right
[07:39:35] <PulkoMandy> well, Microsoft patents are very vague anyway, they cover all antialiased drawing
[07:39:39] <waddlesplash> so enabling that actually improves some line drawing subtly
[07:39:46] <PulkoMandy> which also means they probably wouldn't hold if they tried to use them
[07:39:54] <waddlesplash> exactly
[07:39:58] <PulkoMandy> ?
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[07:40:09] <PulkoMandy> agg already does subpixel rendering, nothing will be improved there
[07:40:17] <waddlesplash> I mean, they've never really litigated them
[07:40:31] <waddlesplash> well my test showed otherwise
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[07:40:34] <PulkoMandy> (which also means we are already ignoring the patent on agg side, si whatever :D)
[07:40:42] <waddlesplash> right
[07:40:49] <waddlesplash> so let's enable in Freetype too
[07:41:00] <waddlesplash> ffmpeg can wait
[07:41:16] * waddlesplash will push tomorrow pending further feedback
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[08:00:45] * scottmc thinks we should NOT enable anything that is known to potentially violate patents. Esspecially if that code might be compiled on a PC sitting in my house.
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[08:14:22] <humdinger> scottmc: I agree. But it would be nice to make the alternative freetype package available for people to switch to.
[08:20:28] <scottmc> i made a recipe for one a long time ago.
[08:23:33] <scottmc> like the filename i gave it? freetype-2.4.9-with-subpixel-rendering-enabled.bep
[08:24:27] <scottmc> but this he wants to turn on the other option i think
[08:26:35] <scottmc> found more libpng16 issues... fixes coming soon
[08:26:54] <scottmc> sdl2_image
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[08:27:25] <scottmc> morning korli
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[08:59:45] <korli> hi scottmc
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[09:08:52] <Wizard> Hi
[09:09:38] <scottmc> hey
[09:11:32] <Wizard> Just lurking :P
[09:11:49] <Wizard> How does usb3 boot support look like?
[09:12:04] <Wizard> Last time I checked it wasn’t working
[09:12:47] <scottmc> no changes that i know of. i think usb improvements is one of the possible GSoC 2017 ideas
[09:14:41] <Wizard> Hmm, than I have no option to boot haiku on my laptop
[09:14:47] <Wizard> Or maybe pxe…
[09:17:09] <scottmc> can you run it in a VM? and can that VM see the laptops hdd? if so you could install from the VM to a partition on that hdd?
[09:17:38] <Wizard> Well, that would be an option
[09:17:39] <scottmc> i've never tried it, but might be possible
[09:18:10] <scottmc> what OS you run on there natively?
[09:19:20] <FlyingJester> Could you put an installer image on another partition of the HDD?
[09:20:47] <scottmc> Haiku's installer installs all the files from the drive you are installing from
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[09:21:18] <scottmc> that drive could be a mounted RAW image file.
[09:22:23] <Wizard> scottmc: Windows 10
[09:22:45] <Wizard> What about boot code?
[09:22:50] <Wizard> My laptop has uefi
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[09:25:46] <Wizard> Hmm, I’m not sure if PXE can into wifi and WPA2
[09:27:37] <scottmc> not sure
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[09:52:53] <Wizard> Hmm, I could usa a cable and pi3 as boot server
[09:53:24] <scottmc> might work
[09:53:44] <scottmc> if it does, take pictures and write up a blog post on it.
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[10:00:01] <Wizard> :)
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[10:37:26] <humdinger> I recently split a few posts into a new thread. May that have triggered a bug?
[10:37:51] <korli> I think I noticed this before
[10:38:55] <humdinger> I'll file a bug report.
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[10:40:28] <humdinger> korli: what do you think about providing a patch for subpixel freetype without activating it?
[10:43:13] <korli> well it's a patch, I thought it was already available there
[10:43:44] <humdinger> scottmc had such a patch for the old .bep recipe.
[10:44:01] <humdinger> maybe that was removed when updating the recipe
[10:44:33] <korli> yeah
[10:46:02] <humdinger> is that one config line really all to enable subpixel rendering?
[10:46:14] <korli> the problem is with publishing two packages which provides the same library information, we had such a problem with zlib and a zlib alternative already
[10:46:20] <korli> bbl
[10:46:59] <humdinger> For now it's just to ease trying out the system with subpixel rendering.
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[11:02:43] <Duggan> wad
[11:03:04] <Duggan> waddlesplash we can, but I just got a lot less time to work on it
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[13:32:45] <DKnoto> Hi
[13:32:46] <DKnoto> Is there an application in Haiku to record movies from screen actions?
[13:34:01] <leszek> not one that works good
[13:34:13] <leszek> there was bescreencapture but that just skips too much frames for me
[13:35:12] <DKnoto> thanks
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[13:49:41] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb 27d623e - Use libpng16 in BUILD_REQUIRES
[13:53:11] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] return 802d180 - radare2: bump version
[13:53:13] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy b10a2a3 - Fix remaining hardcoded version.
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[16:35:39] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: I guess because it reports as application/octet-stream ?
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[18:22:30] <Colin_Finck> mmu_man, PulkoMandy: ping
[18:23:34] <mmu_man> plop
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[19:00:33] <xdizzaster> hey all
[19:01:15] <xdizzaster> now that the blog post has been up for some time, I think I can safely come here and say a big THANK YOU to those who helped me along the way during the GCI
[19:02:15] <xdizzaster> it's been a great experience and I'm happy that I got a chance to be part of this wonderful community
[19:02:45] <mmu_man> thx!
[19:03:33] <humdinger> xdizzaster: nice to have had you. Hope you stick around. :)
[19:03:53] <xdizzaster> hope so too!
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[19:15:42] <Not-4c8d> [haikuports/haikuports] scottmc 4963185 - Fixes for sdl2_image and sdl2_ttf (#1135)
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[19:31:29] <HAIKU-irker458> daf431d22f8e: Added game "Hexvexed" package
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[22:18:15] <Premislaus> Where I can find tutorial for Icon-O-Matic?
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[22:44:07] <Premislaus> What happened to haiku-os.org?
[22:47:59] <waddlesplash> server outage
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