August 1, 2016 
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August 1, 2016 [00:00:38] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151ACD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[00:03:04] <munchausen> nm found it[00:04:18] *** mikedld <mikedld!~mikedld@mikedld.com> has joined #haiku[00:12:52] *** Skipp_OSX is now known as Skipp_macOS[00:21:07] <munchausen> It would be really nice if you could tell haikuporter _not_ to clean up the working directory[00:26:49] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~John@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[00:29:03] <munchausen> actually, thought this was rebuilding everything, but its just configure taking an age[00:30:45] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[00:45:27] *** tombhadac <tombhadac!~tombhadac@x4e358faf.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:22:57] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:25:53] *** kneekoo 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daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[08:09:27] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[08:09:58] <Begasus> morning[08:17:02] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[08:23:43] <munchausen> Morning Begasus[08:24:37] <Begasus> morning munchausen[08:25:44] <johnny_b> morning munchausen Begasus 8)[08:26:10] <Begasus> morning johnny_b :)[08:36:24] <munchausen> Hi johnny_b :)[08:37:59] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:41:40] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.218.176> has joined #haiku[08:51:32] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B150E13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:55:56] <Begasus> morning postmen[08:56:15] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[08:57:50] *** Akuji 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joined #haiku[09:28:44] *** stargate1 is now known as stargater[09:29:00] <Begasus> moin stargater[09:30:27] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:30:36] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[09:32:15] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:32:53] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-167-205-59.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:33:06] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-197-89-129.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[09:33:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[09:33:20] <munchausen> Hmm can't install transmission_x86, broken dependencies[09:33:55] <Begasus> through pkgman or HD munchausen?[09:35:27] <munchausen> pkgman[09:36:11] <munchausen> nothing provides lib:libcrypto_x86>=1.0.0o needed by transmission_x86-2.84-4[09:36:37] <munchausen> building openssl 1.0.1t in haikuporter[09:38:15] <Begasus> try'd installing libcrypto through pkgman first?[09:38:18] <stargater> nice the orginal doom version from 93 have ca 55000 LOC[09:40:25] <munchausen> yeah openssl_x86 is already installed and updated[09:41:20] <stargater> munchausen: reboot the system[09:42:33] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B150E13.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[09:43:10] <stargater> munchausen: or type in the shell ldd[09:43:53] <Begasus> had to add lib:libcrypto also in the latest recipe for lgeneral, didn't need it before iirc ...[09:47:29] <Begasus> hmm libcrypto is already in transmissions recipe ... strange[09:52:51] *** Kernel86_ <Kernel86_!~Kernel86@cpe-69-23-104-66.new.res.rr.com> has joined #haiku[09:54:26] *** Kernel86 <Kernel86!~Kernel86@cpe-69-23-104-66.new.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:13:58] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[10:15:05] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[10:15:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:19:16] <Begasus> is there a reason one should include "makefile_engine" in the BUILD_PREREQUIRES? (just looked at the generic file in haikuporter)[10:19:40] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[10:20:11] *** regreg <regreg!~regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:24:11] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[10:26:41] <Mict> Well, the latest nightly at least has visible syslog so I can see why it's not booting[10:27:02] <Mict> http://i.imgur.com/IWlrTrY.jpg & http://i.imgur.com/PPlDQzz.jpg[10:27:13] <Mict> Packagekit throws it to KDL[10:29:25] <Begasus> eeps[10:37:06] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d40a51.access.ecotel.net> has joined #haiku[10:38:54] <Mict> I'll try some more safe mode thingies[10:38:58] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: No quit message this time.)[10:45:00] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[10:46:00] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:46:36] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[10:47:52] <munchausen> yeah this is annoying, as I have a newer openssl installed already.[10:48:11] <munchausen> Yeah reboot doesn't help[10:48:54] <stargater> munchausen: then write a bug report[10:48:55] <munchausen> I also had to add libcrypto to a recent recipe because something was linked to it and hadn't declared it as a dependency[10:49:16] <munchausen> this is a different problem though[10:49:29] <munchausen> stargater I will try to build transmission[10:52:40] <munchausen> There's a newer version in haikuports anyway[10:53:07] <stargater> ok, the problem is in the build file of transmission[10:57:31] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[10:58:09] <Mict> Nope, safe mode doesn't make a difference, blacklisting packagesomething and/or boot scripts don't either[10:59:59] <munchausen> Oh pants. I don't think I can install anything, they all have a libcrypto error[11:01:16] <munchausen> Anyone else having this problem?[11:01:38] <Mict> Can't even get that far :P[11:06:08] <munchausen> I've got "Failed to open packages activation file: No such file or directory" in syslog, perhaps that's pertinent. Will file something on trac[11:06:54] <munchausen> Mict what's the last nightly that worked for you?[11:07:13] <Mict> With this machine? No such thing[11:07:50] <Mict> But I get the failed to open package activation thing too, I thought that's what causes KDL[11:07:55] <munchausen> How much RAM have you got in that machine? Because it says out of memory[11:08:00] <Mict> 128 GB[11:08:27] <munchausen> GB?[11:08:30] <Mict> Yes[11:08:38] <munchausen> I have a machine with 128GB and haiku wont boot on it[11:08:51] <munchausen> Is it some sort of xeon?[11:08:57] <Mict> Dual Xeon, yes[11:09:33] <munchausen> I don't think its related to the packagefs issue. It happens when trying to mount the rootfs. But worth reporting anyway[11:09:50] <Mict> And keyboard doesn't work in KDL so I can't get more info or try to continue[11:10:16] <munchausen> (My xeon workstation fails trying to mount the rootfs as well, I haven't debugged further)[11:10:53] <munchausen> Yeah oftne usb keyboard wont work, ps/2 is more reliable but ofc machines that new wont have any[11:10:56] <Mict> I used another machine to install Haiku to ssd instead of booting from USB that didn't work[11:11:37] <munchausen> Ah thats interesting. Means that the sata controller doesnt work in haiku. Does your machine use a raid controller?[11:12:06] <Mict> No[11:12:23] <munchausen> I can't boot from USB or DVD on mine, but didn't try dding an image. But I suspect the RAID controller wouldn't work with haiku anyway[11:12:37] <munchausen> Did you try USB since the recent USB3 activation (was last week some time)[11:12:46] <Mict> The error image says "bfs: mounted "Haiku" (root node blah blah)" so I'd think it works[11:14:20] <munchausen> Hmm oh yeah. Maybe an error related to the large amount of RAM then. Worth filing a report on haiku trac (bug tracker) anyway[11:14:40] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:14:59] <Mict> Hmm, I don't see this xHCI controller id in Haiku source (xhci_hardware.h)[11:15:30] <munchausen> Mict they removed the whitelist, so it will try to activate any USB3 hardware now[11:15:50] <munchausen> Oh is there an index[11:16:21] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:50] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:20:56] <Mict> Now if I could get a syslog out of it...[11:26:25] <Mict> I suppose I could bring another machine nearby and connect them with serial cable if I haven't thrown that away... I need some coffee first[11:37:36] *** Diver <Diver!~Adium@77.41.25.77> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[11:42:49] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[12:03:14] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:14:45] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[12:15:58] <postmen> Mict: still there?[12:16:07] <Mict> I think so[12:16:46] <postmen> well, couldn't follow, you booted into haiku but it doesn't work?[12:17:12] <Mict> Yes, apparently packagefs causes KDL[12:17:18] <postmen> can't u save the log on reboot?[12:18:02] <Mict> The only thing I can do is to press reset and it doesn't look like syslog is saved to disk (or disk flushed)[12:18:21] <Mict> I haven't tried USB stick yet[12:18:29] <postmen> well, have u tried hittin' space on reboot?[12:19:04] <Mict> Boot menu works[12:19:28] <postmen> requires some fat32 partition, can be a usb stick.[12:20:01] <postmen> problem is, that option is only visible one soft reboot.[12:20:54] <Mict> Oh I forgot, there's an option to limit memory to 4 GB, I could try that (as the error is out of memory)[12:21:12] <postmen> well[12:22:38] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: testing)[12:28:07] <munchausen> syndicate wars recipe works :)[12:28:30] <munchausen> has led me to discover that changing video modes crashes the vesa driver on this machine[12:29:10] <munchausen> I knew there was a regression at some point as I started having to select the video mode at boot[12:35:59] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[12:36:14] <Mict> It boots with 4 GB restriction :D[12:36:34] <Begasus> +1 :)[12:37:00] <Mict> USB sticks don't though, show up as 0 bytes[12:40:06] <postmen> Mict, well, usb3 support is buggy - it's known not to work as a boot medium.[12:40:40] <Mict> Yeah, they don't work in desktop either[12:40:45] <postmen> but u should now have an syslog.old or so on your hard drive. search function is in the start menue.[12:41:23] <Mict> No old syslog in /var/log[12:42:27] <Mict> Do any USB keyboards work in KDL or does that require UHCI or something old?[12:43:09] <postmen> don't know, since i only use haiku on notebook. is it connected to an usb3 port?[12:44:24] <Mict> USB 2.0 says manual[12:45:37] <postmen> well, no idea. is there realy only one syslog in /var/log?[12:46:31] <Mict> Yes. I'll try with another USB keyboard if that works in KDL[12:47:02] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: brb)[12:50:23] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~yaaic@x50abdf82.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:51:17] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[12:56:17] <Begasus> hi lelldorin[12:56:40] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~yaaic@x50abdf82.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[12:57:45] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[12:57:50] <postmen> wb[12:58:24] <Mict> Right, so, boot menu won't work anymore, I guess it was some first-boot-before-installation-is-complete thing, no syslog saved when KDL'd[12:59:54] <Mict> I could put the drive to a laptop and edit kernel boot settings file there...[13:01:09] <postmen> but u know about the option of savin' syslog from within the boot menu?[13:01:21] <Mict> Yes, it just isn't there :P[13:01:30] <postmen> oh, sorry, didn't get that.[13:01:57] <postmen> but, it's only there on reboot. not on initial boot. but u don't have any boot menu at all anymore, right?[13:02:06] <Mict> Correct[13:03:31] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:04:49] <Mict> I wonder what Windows thinks if I yank the drive containing it & Haiku out[13:05:01] <Mict> It's set as hotplug in BIOS :P[13:09:12] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[13:12:07] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:23:04] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has joined #haiku[13:23:43] <Mict> Now Haiku boots (not sure about radeon_hd) but no network..[13:23:49] * Mict sighs[13:28:16] <Begasus> k .. let's see if this MATHLIBS thingy will work .... ;)[13:37:59] *** cehbab <cehbab!~cehbab@180-150-118-9.NBN.horsham.aussiebb.net> has joined #haiku[13:38:52] *** Akuji 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they can't be removed[14:06:02] <Mict> Oh well, got to go to work[14:06:06] *** Mict <Mict!~Mict@46-163-213-70.blcnet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: No quit message this time.)[14:16:43] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:16:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:21:13] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:44:13] <stargater> 2xXEON + 128GB RAM, thats look like a fast machine[14:51:18] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[14:51:26] <postmen> hi mmu_man[14:52:39] <postmen> stargater: https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/12896/haiku_packagekit_kdl.jpg look for cpu! ;)[14:53:53] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.218.176> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:08:10] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:11:52] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined 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*** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:797c:cbbe:9195:e5f6> has joined #haiku[17:38:41] *** [JJ]Albert_ <[JJ]Albert_!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:797c:cbbe:9195:e5f6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:44:32] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-fteurulflxfervmd> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:49:51] <Begasus> humdinger! :)[17:50:11] <humdinger> hullo Begasus![17:50:23] <Begasus> how's it going there?[17:50:45] <humdinger> very good. nice 20°C out there today.[17:50:49] <humdinger> so no sweat...[17:51:44] <Begasus> ps ... have been looking into some recipes how they patched the source to use $settingsDir .. no luck yet[17:51:55] <Begasus> yeah same here ... nice temp atm :)[17:53:25] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:53:34] <Begasus> ps ... got tuxtype2-1.5.2 running ... :)[17:53:50] <Begasus> 1.7.2 is still bogus here :/[17:54:22] <humdinger> nice![17:54:33] <humdinger> what's the issue with patching the settings dir?[17:55:09] <Begasus> indeed, I'm in contact with some of the peeps from tux4kids on trying to get the latest one uptodate ... but no luck yet :/[17:55:25] <Begasus> I don't know c++ ;)[17:56:01] <humdinger> things can get tricky then, I guess.[17:56:09] <Begasus> been trying to fix the one (PR) for rocksndiamonds[17:56:34] <humdinger> I muddle through somehow with my own apps. But working with other people's code... uh...[17:56:38] <Begasus> well .. it saves it data in ~/home .... so that part is ok out of the box[17:57:22] <Begasus> but getting it in $settingsDir is another thing, try'd looking into the previous patchset, but it has been changed quit a lot since then ...[17:58:44] <Begasus> on the other hand, I think I made a good patch that could be upstreamed as Jerome suggested in the PR for Haiku (if he agrees to it) ;)[17:59:36] <humdinger> progress![18:00:12] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:00:41] <Begasus> ;)[18:01:13] <Begasus> and as it is a RC it could be nice if they implemented it before the major release :)[18:03:00] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/v6fcF[18:03:01] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] diversys fc44b3a - BillardGL: fix build[18:12:53] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-brlldxijvhztxkef> has joined #haiku[18:14:15] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[18:19:53] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-27-223.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[18:21:09] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:21:11] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:35:21] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:36:01] <Begasus> k ... rocksndiamonds also builds with sdl2 here ... but slow as ... :/[18:37:04] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:797c:cbbe:9195:e5f6> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:37:39] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:797c:cbbe:9195:e5f6> has joined #haiku[18:38:19] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B1516F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:56:04] <Begasus> is there any app/game working with SDL2 and OpenGL atm? (wondering why GL is really needed for SDL2) .[19:00:43] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:02:45] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:04:55] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:22:28] <postmen> OpenArena?[19:23:31] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[19:37:07] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d40a51.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:49:54] <stargater> Begasus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_DirectMedia_Layer read -> Software architecture[19:51:03] <stargater> opengl are a stadndard and cross platform, so sdl2 have no no 3D stuff only 2D, for 3D used sdl2 opengl[19:59:35] <stargater> postmen: http://www.artsoft.org/rocksndiamonds/screenshots/size_original.html[20:00:57] <stargater> Begasus: used you gcc2 haiku?[20:01:30] <stargater> i think sdl2 need mesa for opengl (most software opengl)[20:02:07] <stargater> the pronlem are the hardware an driver, software most flexibler then hardware[20:04:38] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[20:11:08] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:11:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:15:35] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:17:38] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d858430.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:17:47] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~yaaic@x4dbac24b.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:39:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~Vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:45:27] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~yaaic@x4dbac24b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:58:56] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:04:37] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:13:41] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~Vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:26:51] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[21:41:52] *** [JJ]Albert_ <[JJ]Albert_!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:797c:cbbe:9195:e5f6> has joined #haiku[21:44:49] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:797c:cbbe:9195:e5f6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:14:45] <Begasus> stargater ... I know the problems with opengl(mesa) on Haiku, but for the normal SDL it's mostly no problem as it uses mesa, for SDL2 it's trying to use a software renderer (there are a few available but none really work as expected if you are running vesa mode) ...[22:15:00] <Begasus> ps using gcc2 hybrid here[22:24:57] <Begasus> postmen ... Haiku's port for openarena is still using regular SDL (not SDL2) :)[22:24:58] <postmen> gcc2 is really old, isn't it!?[22:25:25] <Begasus> gcc2 hybrid means you can also use/build with gcc5 :)[22:25:37] <postmen> uhh, sorry for that. btw, have u read the latest ticket? https://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/12896/haiku_packagekit_kdl.jpg[22:26:32] <Begasus> I saw the discussion earlier today ... it was something with your RAM (128GB) I thought?[22:26:52] *** lubos76 <lubos76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[22:27:11] <Begasus> wb lubo76[22:27:27] <postmen> no, i'm a hard workin' man and be happy about a 128gb sd-hd. ;)[22:27:38] <Begasus> ah :)[22:27:49] <postmen> right.[22:28:06] <Begasus> right that was Mict :)[22:28:13] <postmen> in germany we call such things a 'luxus-problem'.[22:28:41] <Begasus> :)[22:28:42] <postmen> but, do you know how many ram haiku can manage?[22:28:49] <Begasus> fast das gleiche auf niederländisch 'luxe-probleem' :P[22:29:09] <Begasus> not sure ... on this laptop I only have 6GB ;)[22:31:06] *** lubos76 <lubos76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:36:49] <postmen> well, i wondered if it would work with 8 gb, if there is a 4gb patch like the 1gb for beos.[22:39:54] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!bc68d924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.104.217.36> has joined #haiku[22:40:39] <Begasus> https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/28673269016/[22:42:01] <Begasus> for postmen :)[22:42:46] <postmen> was ist das 1 MB!? - kanns net lesen.[22:43:47] <Begasus> not accesible[22:44:17] <postmen> ah, ok - but that says nothin about the max amount.[22:44:44] <Begasus> no only the available ...[22:58:54] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[23:00:52] <jessicah> the maximum is 512GB[23:01:22] <jessicah> for 32-bit builds, it'll obviously be less[23:01:40] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[23:02:01] <jessicah> I can't recall what the limit is with PAE[23:02:30] <jessicah> but my machines with 8GB of RAM work fine[23:05:19] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@149.18.174.187> has joined #haiku[23:05:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[23:10:47] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!bc68d924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.104.217.36> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[23:11:00] <postmen> ok, thank u[23:11:42] <postmen> jessicah, runConfigure only works in ports btw?[23:12:22] <jessicah> it's part of haikuporter, yes[23:12:43] <jessicah> it's basically a shortcut for specifying --prefix, --libdir, and friends[23:12:51] <jessicah> you can just specify them yourself[23:13:35] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~lubo76@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:13:46] <jessicah> see https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/blob/master/HaikuPorter/ShellScriptlets.py#L258[23:13:58] <jessicah> but if you're not a programmer, might not make much sense to you[23:14:33] <postmen> sure, prefix i did know, libdir not yet. ... well, don't know when i'll be ablte to call myself a programmer?[23:14:33] <stargater> Begasus: 1,3GB Ram is used, why? it look to much[23:15:17] <Begasus> qupzilla, web+ ....[23:15:30] <stargater> Begasus: hmm uha[23:15:35] <Begasus> it doesn't bother me ;)[23:16:06] <postmen> 1,3 gb, that's what chrome uses under windows here.[23:16:17] <stargater> in my linux machine firefox or chrome used 100mg ram when it runs[23:16:25] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:33] <Begasus> on Ubuntu it can be consuming also[23:16:45] <postmen> stargater, used? that's one or ten years?[23:16:53] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:01] <stargater> what?[23:17:12] <stargater> use[23:17:36] <Begasus> atm qupzilla +500MB, web+ +200MB[23:17:40] <postmen> jessicah, why isn't there any documentation how to set attr. like runConfigure by hand?[23:18:37] <Begasus> probably because the directions it usualy is installed is read-only?[23:19:24] <stargater> Begasus: http://bilder.macwelt.de/3549299_original.jpg[23:19:43] <postmen> well, if i want to encourage people to port applications and there is a well known way to set attr. - why not document them?[23:19:46] <stargater> 87mb :-)[23:20:15] <Begasus> hrev33109? :P[23:20:24] <stargater> alpha1[23:20:28] <stargater> i think[23:20:30] <Begasus> omg![23:20:44] <stargater> Begasus: what ram u used when you close all apps[23:20:51] <postmen> Begasus, those new once got that evil package managment, u know? ;)[23:20:51] <Begasus> well if it works for you ;)[23:21:09] <Begasus> hehe[23:21:12] <stargater> Begasus: i foun it by google[23:21:30] <Begasus> I need to close them then stargater ... still in need here ;)[23:22:45] <Begasus> stargater ..... http://users.skynet.be/Begasus/screenobos.htm ;)[23:27:45] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:27:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:31:50] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b63c08.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:41:18] *** elBit0r <elBit0r!~victor@net-93-70-156-246.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[23:42:02] *** elBit0r <elBit0r!~victor@net-93-70-156-246.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:42:51] *** elBit0r <elBit0r!~victor@net-93-70-156-246.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[23:44:57] <elBit0r> _[23:44:58] <elBit0r> Ciao![23:45:48] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has joined #haiku[23:46:17] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-27-223.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:46:40] <stargater> nice[23:46:43] <stargater> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fcPxAO1FeU[23:48:34] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:50:14] <postmen> elBit0r: salut[23:54:57] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:55:33] <postmen> jessicah, well, actually there is a file http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/CommonProblems ;) uhh, up to date.[23:56:28] <elBit0r> http://download.unirc.eu/BeOS/ some beos software from my old collection[23:56:42] *** paianni <paianni!~paianni@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[23:58:05] <postmen> thanks elBit0r, but good night all[23:58:08] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B1516F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku