July 30, 2016 
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July 30, 2016 [00:00:24] <jessicah> waddlesplash: in http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=4f117b7751856753d440ae100d13c8400c1f04fe he still owns the copyright[00:00:43] <waddlesplash> jessicah: yes, he does; the diff cut it off but he's in the copyrights list[00:00:48] <waddlesplash> in AboutSystem[00:01:31] <jessicah> hmm, I see[00:03:49] <jessicah> I dunno if changing the LICENSE file just to make GitHub happy is ideal though =/[00:07:17] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[00:08:18] <Skipp_macOS> hurry up buildbot![00:09:58] <waddlesplash> jessicah: no, this won't make GitHub any happier at all[00:10:05] <waddlesplash> it will, though, make the file more readable[00:10:15] <waddlesplash> GitHub will still say "Other", since it still does not match license text[00:12:58] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[00:13:18] <jessicah> then there was no point to changing it[00:13:39] <waddlesplash> um, yes, we now have a few dozen line file that explains the licensing situation very clearly[00:13:53] <waddlesplash> instead of a 5000 line file that's just the contents of system/data/licenses in one file[00:14:37] <Skipp_macOS> There will be backlash on the ml I assume[00:14:48] <Skipp_macOS> license changes tend to be touchy[00:14:59] <waddlesplash> there wasn't a backlash when js changed it to be that way[00:15:09] <waddlesplash> so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[00:15:45] <waddlesplash> jessicah: Skipp_macOS: Also, I'd like your opinions on removing http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/headers/os/be_apps/Deskbar/Deskbar.h[00:16:08] <waddlesplash> Considering (1) I can't find anybody using it, (2) Haiku is already not source compatible, (3) it's essentially crufty[00:16:10] <waddlesplash> *cruft[00:17:22] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:17:28] <mmu_man> oh it's just a wrapper for the other Deskbar.h ?[00:17:35] <waddlesplash> yes[00:18:13] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: remove it then?[00:18:50] <Skipp_macOS> um, it appears to be there for legacy, possibly for Netpositive?[00:18:56] <waddlesplash> huh? wat?[00:19:12] <waddlesplash> I'm only talking about removing that one header[00:19:16] <waddlesplash> not the whole be_apps directory of course[00:19:25] <Skipp_macOS> git show 5d9e40fe[00:19:52] <waddlesplash> the commit is just "Add missing R5 headers"[00:19:59] <waddlesplash> so there's some Net+ stuff in there too[00:20:06] <Skipp_macOS> yeah, okay, wasn't sure if it was related[00:20:10] <waddlesplash> Net+ doesn't care about header files, and we have no source for it[00:20:11] <waddlesplash> nope[00:20:42] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2770 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2770[00:20:50] <Skipp_macOS> yea \o/[00:22:16] * waddlesplash removes it[00:22:57] <mmu_man> OTOH NetSurf does implement some of NetPositive.h codes[00:23:03] <waddlesplash> oh, does it[00:23:04] <Skipp_macOS> I don't see the harm it causes but okay[00:23:10] <mmu_man> I took care of that[00:23:19] <waddlesplash> we should implement it in WebPositive then?[00:23:45] <mmu_man> shouldn't be too hard I think[00:24:36] <waddlesplash> got a link to the NetSurf impl?[00:25:14] <mmu_man> oh CRAP[00:25:25] <mmu_man> Firefox AGAIN forgot half of its tabs :-([00:26:51] <mmu_man> I must kill it and restore from the old session, *again*[00:27:05] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: well the NS git[00:29:20] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2847 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2847[00:38:58] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.227.52> has joined #haiku[00:41:34] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2913 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2913[00:42:15] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50459 [4 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b070edd867ab+%5E40ae563fa155[00:42:16] <HAIKU-irker848> a3e794ae459f: be_apps/Deskbar: Remove.[00:42:17] <HAIKU-irker848> 2381f8276aa3: be_apps/ServicesDaemon: Remove.[00:42:18] <HAIKU-irker848> 48440e694506: headers/libs/mesa: Remove.[00:42:19] <HAIKU-irker848> b070edd867ab: packages/HaikuDevel: Add GLUT header to image.[00:43:03] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2960 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/2960[00:45:32] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: Do you have a testcase for them[00:46:59] <mmu_man> not really[00:47:07] <mmu_man> I think BeHappy might use them[00:47:14] <mmu_man> not even sure[00:47:36] <mmu_man> + we can't embed Web+ yet anyway[00:49:02] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:50:34] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2943 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/2943[00:56:55] <AlienSoldier> i am going mad, still nobody able to pick that one up? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12817[00:57:34] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: Isn't that a duplicate of some other ticket?[00:57:43] <waddlesplash> I think the cause was determined to be libswresample or whatever[00:57:43] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50460 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=95b6439eec0b+%5Eb070edd867ab[00:57:44] <HAIKU-irker848> 95b6439eec0b: intel_extreme: Implement Snb PCH FDI link training[00:59:14] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: Try reverting commit b18c4449946590aa7a89c597f40ec7df1d7f5ca6, recompile Haiku and reinstall from compiled, and see if that fixes it[00:59:17] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: Do you know how to do that?[00:59:33] <waddlesplash> If it fixes the problem for you, comment that in the ticket, and I can revert the commit on the server side[00:59:34] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash no sadly[00:59:52] <AlienSoldier> i can test a raw image that said[00:59:55] <waddlesplash> ok. I can walk you through it[01:00:05] <waddlesplash> do you have a Haiku install that can compile things?[01:00:28] <AlienSoldier> downloading a tree is not possible either, my internet connection is too slow and i don't have much space left[01:00:34] <waddlesplash> ah[01:00:46] <waddlesplash> ok. I really can't do very much, but I'll see[01:02:02] <waddlesplash> .... erm[01:02:22] <waddlesplash> jessicah: kallisti5: This code http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/apps/mediaplayer/media_node_framework/audio/AudioProducer.cpp#796 seems to imply that bufferDuration can be < 0[01:02:37] <waddlesplash> er[01:02:41] <waddlesplash> no, wait. that's really weird[01:03:05] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2858 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/2858[01:07:35] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash is there a current procedure to "try" something to a automated build to revert it later in case it does not work. Because we can't expect every one to be able to compile such a large tree.[01:11:42] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.227.52> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:12:09] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.227.52> has joined #haiku[01:12:22] <AlienSoldier> dang, the OS hang[01:12:33] <AlienSoldier> must be a stupid browser memory leak[01:13:24] <AlienSoldier> seem the OS does not know in advance it will memory starve[01:13:32] *** Vidiot_ <Vidiot_!~IceChat77@174-125-71-90.dyn.centurytel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments)[01:13:51] <Vidrep> Hi[01:13:58] *** Vidiot_X <Vidiot_X!~IceChat77@174-125-71-90.dyn.centurytel.net> has joined #haiku[01:14:04] <Vidrep> I see lots of cleanup going on[01:14:27] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[01:16:30] <Vidrep> Just out of curiosity...has anyone went through the results of the PVS-Studio and Coverity scans?[01:17:55] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.227.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:20:36] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:24:01] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-unyijgwjzhxmmijk> has joined #haiku[01:24:02] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wasbbdjmuusdeohx> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:27:45] <Vidrep> Here is the link to the results: https://pulkomandy.github.io/[01:40:31] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: mostly false positive[01:40:34] <waddlesplash> which is annoying[01:40:43] <waddlesplash> same for Coverity, although Coverity is better[01:42:28] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:42:46] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:45:45] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:d8a6:b05:48e:a561> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:46:25] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:d8a6:b05:48e:a561> has joined #haiku[01:47:45] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, PulkoMandy said there were "some" false positives - not "mostly". However, that was quitea long time ago[01:47:59] <waddlesplash> ok, like 40-60% false positives[01:48:46] <Vidrep> Regardless, this is one area where non-devs who want to look into code could contribute[01:49:04] <waddlesplash> sort of?[01:49:12] <waddlesplash> A lot of it is pretty nuanced[01:49:19] <waddlesplash> you have to know the code to tell it's a false positive[01:49:36] <waddlesplash> anyway. Any interesting bugs for me to look at? :)[01:49:55] <Vidrep> It depends :D[01:50:33] <Vidrep> You mean my tickets or just whatever?[01:52:10] <waddlesplash> just whatever[01:53:13] <Vidrep> Here's one: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12417[01:55:15] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: oh, that one will be nasty, it's probably a WebKit bug[01:55:27] <waddlesplash> I mean a bug in our WebKit port[01:55:39] <Vidrep> See my last comment on this one: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11938[01:56:02] <Vidrep> 11938 is a duplicate of 12300[01:56:32] <waddlesplash> probably a bug in the network stack[01:56:43] <waddlesplash> given 12300 anyway[01:56:49] <waddlesplash> not something I can easily fix either[01:56:52] <waddlesplash> try aiming a bit lower :)[01:56:53] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.227.52> has joined #haiku[01:57:14] <Vidrep> That one is an Axle special, I know. But, they could be batched together[01:57:19] <Vidrep> Axel[01:57:19] <AlienSoldier> ... and not satellite connection crashed and just came back, just my day.[01:57:28] <AlienSoldier> *now[01:58:20] <Vidrep> Lower? Hmmmm[01:59:26] <Vidrep> OK: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11260[02:00:11] <AlienSoldier> i am still the only one experiencing "zoom-in" in the workspace area i am not in?[02:00:21] <AlienSoldier> *areas[02:00:42] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:00:53] <AlienSoldier> in other word, in area not highlighted[02:01:10] <AlienSoldier> that is annoying as hell[02:01:23] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: ah, now that's nice and easy :)[02:01:34] <Vidrep> LOL[02:01:39] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-unyijgwjzhxmmijk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[02:02:12] <AlienSoldier> If a window is right enough, it might even disapear completely showing an empty workspace.[02:03:45] <Vidrep> AlienSoldier, are you still experiencing audio issues? 32 bit or 64 bit? Both?[02:03:55] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: Actually I think that's intentional[02:04:10] <waddlesplash> You must type a whole word when adding a repo (more dangerous operation)[02:04:20] <waddlesplash> vs. a single letter when updating (less dangerous, these days)[02:04:28] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep i only have 32 bit computer (if you don't count my 8 bit :))[02:04:43] <AlienSoldier> Vidrep and only in media player[02:06:19] <waddlesplash> ... or then again, maybe it actually doesn't care[02:07:33] * AlienSoldier wonder when mmu_man will tackle an 8bit port :)[02:07:58] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #777 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @nightly-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/777[02:10:24] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I'll leave it up to your discretion whether it should be "fixed" or closed[02:10:30] <waddlesplash> fixed[02:10:35] <waddlesplash> coming in 30s[02:11:29] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50461 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a055d42d5b5b+%5E95b6439eec0b[02:11:30] <HAIKU-irker848> a055d42d5b5b: pkgman: Change the update prompt to be "yes/no" instead of "y/n".[02:11:46] <Vidrep> I actually have a printed list of my open tickets. I can scratch that one off then?[02:11:52] <waddlesplash> ayup[02:12:06] <waddlesplash> Why do you have a printed list? Trac can show you all your open tickets, you know that, right?[02:12:34] <Vidrep> Not earth shaking, but progress nontheless :)[02:12:39] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: https://dev.haiku-os.org/query?status=!closed&reporter=vidrep[02:12:46] <Vidrep> I know[02:12:58] <AlienSoldier> long live to paper ![02:13:26] <Vidrep> No need to surf unless I'm looking for the sortid details[02:13:49] <AlienSoldier> i was really happy to check out the wrong created date on created text file for sure.[02:13:55] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12655 belongs at HaikuPorts fyi[02:15:53] <Vidrep> Drats[02:16:48] <waddlesplash> the HEVC one does belong here though[02:16:49] <AlienSoldier> another anoying bug is app in a workspace (like vision) writing over the screen when you are in another workspace.[02:16:54] <waddlesplash> it probably needs a change in the ffmpeg plugin[02:17:05] <waddlesplash> AlienSoldier: app_server bug probably[02:17:52] <Vidrep> How about: 12704?[02:18:09] <AlienSoldier> waddlesplash one of the older. i guess this is related to having the vumeter of media player stay on screen when draged to another workspace. The whole workspace need a major check.[02:18:32] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: I see[02:19:00] * mmu_man pets AlienSoldier[02:19:13] <mmu_man> on 8bit I'd rather run Contiki :)[02:20:41] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: heh, I stumbled accross one of my old bugs, https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/9578[02:20:54] <waddlesplash> that always seemed like it'd be an easy fix for a kernel dev, considering it's 100% reproducible[02:22:26] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: What in the world is https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12329 and why are there a zillion InfoWindows open when that crash happened[02:24:09] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1)[02:25:42] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, if I recall the circumstances correctly. Find a directory with a lot of zip files (or whatever). Select all. Get info[02:25:48] <waddlesplash> oh[02:26:03] <waddlesplash> you very well may be exhausting ports[02:26:14] <waddlesplash> which is kind of dumb, we probably should attempt to reduce the number of ports we use[02:26:24] <waddlesplash> anyway. Re[02:26:33] <Vidrep> Instead of one Get Info telling you there are x number of files in that directory with whatever size, it opens a zillion get Info windows[02:26:34] <waddlesplash> Downloads -- that only happens when the window first appears, right?[02:26:47] <waddlesplash> Isn't that expected behavior? A zillion windows?[02:27:58] <Vidrep> If you do it onanother OS, it will open a summary of all the files instead of one for each file[02:28:11] <waddlesplash> oh, well, probably, but that's not Haiku/BeOS behavior[02:28:18] <waddlesplash> admittedly dumb, but still[02:28:47] <Vidrep> Downloads, yeah, I believe so[02:30:05] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50462 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c397198f33b7+%5Ea055d42d5b5b[02:30:06] <HAIKU-irker848> c397198f33b7: WebPositive: Ensure the downloads window is onscreen.[02:30:20] <waddlesplash> there you go[02:30:28] <Vidrep> Yeah![02:31:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #778 of haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @nightly-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_hybrid/builds/778[02:31:24] <waddlesplash> !notme[02:32:21] <Vidrep> bbl, have to pick up a pizza[02:46:48] <Vidrep> OK, mouse in right hand, pizza slice in left hand - all set[02:47:30] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, thanks for looking into these[02:48:56] <waddlesplash> np[02:50:57] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.227.52> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:56:32] *** pixdamix <pixdamix!~pix@unaffiliated/pixdamix> has joined #haiku[02:57:10] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I looked in trac for any tickets which had (easy) in the title[02:57:54] <Vidrep> There are quite a few. I think it was hoped that GSOC or GCI students would do those. It never happened[02:59:19] <waddlesplash> tbh I think we should leave them be[02:59:24] <waddlesplash> unless any are really annoying[02:59:34] <waddlesplash> that way, newcomers still have something to munch on...[03:01:12] <Vidrep> annoying one, eh? Don't give me ideas :)[03:04:42] <Vidrep> Heres a couple: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12879 and https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12880[03:05:12] <waddlesplash> oh no, not that[03:05:21] <waddlesplash> and those are NOT EASY[03:05:30] <Vidrep> Basically, it involves renaming the dialogs for consistency. Printing function wouldn't be affected.[03:05:31] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2774 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2774 blamelist: Augustin Cavalier <waddlesplash at gmail dot com>[03:05:41] <waddlesplash> the printing system is a barren wasteland[03:05:47] <Vidrep> LOL[03:05:54] <waddlesplash> er, toxic wasteland[03:06:30] <waddlesplash> last time I went there, I narrowly avoided being eaten by a purple dragon and bitten by a rabid chiuaua[03:06:35] <Vidrep> I'm afraid without phoudoin, printing will be left at a standstill[03:06:50] <waddlesplash> yes[03:07:03] <waddlesplash> phoudoin liked purple dragons and rabid chiuauas, I suppose[03:07:16] <waddlesplash> I mean, CUPS is even worse, but still[03:07:19] <Vidrep> Take a look at those two, just in case they aren't as hard as you imagine[03:07:27] <Vidrep> dreaming...[03:09:54] <Vidrep> Here's one where you had the last comment: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11262[03:13:04] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:13:04] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:16:54] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[03:17:18] <waddlesplash> yeah, that one's going to be a bit nuanced to fix[03:17:29] <waddlesplash> I can do it, but it's a behavioral change, so I'd rather let Axel take that one[03:17:47] <waddlesplash> if you want to play around with it ;) the relevant code is here: http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/kits/tracker/WidgetAttributeText.cpp#193[03:18:36] <Vidrep> Who, me? Ha. ha[03:19:33] <Vidrep> I can't remember the last time someone fixed two of my tickets in one night. I must put it on a calendar :)[03:19:54] <Vidrep> Thanks again, waddlesplash[03:20:06] <waddlesplash> np[03:20:21] <Vidrep> We're all just trying to make Haiku better in opur own way[03:20:27] <Vidrep> our[03:21:24] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[03:22:02] <Vidrep> That ticket you fixed earlier: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12704#comment:1[03:22:29] <Vidrep> There are a couple of other instances where something similar happens[03:22:33] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50463 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ebb20270fdb0+%5Ec397198f33b7[03:22:34] <HAIKU-irker848> ebb20270fdb0: Tracker: Don't show warning alert when working in /system/cache/tmp.[03:22:38] <waddlesplash> I can imagine[03:22:42] <waddlesplash> they'd probably also be one-liner fixes[03:22:54] <waddlesplash> but I'd like a bit of confirmation that fix actually worked (even though it should)[03:23:17] <Vidrep> I'll play around tomorrow and see if I can provide an example[03:23:49] *** iwanttobe <iwanttobe!~travis@104.219.136.69> has joined #haiku[03:24:15] <iwanttobe> Hi jessicah, how would I get the books I need to study?[03:24:21] <iwanttobe> I want to study C[03:24:41] <iwanttobe> I made this Dog.java with some constructor that always calls the main constructor Dog()[03:25:09] <iwanttobe> and it says if it's unnamed either it's a new dog or the guy didn't name his dog when he was at the pet store[03:25:53] <iwanttobe> it's code PetStore.java and really understand data structures and mutable state[03:26:11] <waddlesplash> iwanttobe: hi, this is the channel for the Haiku operating system, not a general programming help channel[03:27:09] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: mhm, ok I'll ask ##c[03:27:32] <iwanttobe> although, where's GCC 6 in Haiku?[03:27:46] <iwanttobe> is it just getting to fruition?[03:28:40] <waddlesplash> GCC 6 is not stable yet, is it?[03:28:45] <waddlesplash> I think it's still in alpha-ish.[03:28:54] <waddlesplash> right now, we're on GCC 5.4[03:29:09] <iwanttobe> I'll research as I like Haiku a lot[03:29:16] <iwanttobe> let me see if GCC 6 is stable[03:29:45] <iwanttobe> GCC 6.1[03:29:46] <iwanttobe> April 27, 2016 (changes, documentation)[03:30:46] <iwanttobe> it's stable so...what to do?[03:31:41] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jscipione@174-21-4-251.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:37:09] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: I just figure you guys should make a nVidia driver everybody would dream of[03:38:25] <waddlesplash> iwanttobe: lol, we don't even have the manpower to keep modesetting drivers up to date[03:38:37] <waddlesplash> Nouveau is having a hard time with NVIDIA as it is[03:38:43] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: we need a way to get people to know of Haiku[03:38:43] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.218.176> has joined #haiku[03:38:46] <waddlesplash> and we'd just reuse their work, if we ever got around to such a thing[03:38:49] <waddlesplash> oh, people know of us[03:38:50] <iwanttobe> that's the number one problem[03:38:58] <waddlesplash> ... not really, I think?[03:39:04] <waddlesplash> it's more of a "how viable is Haiku"[03:39:14] <FlyingJester> The best philosophy is to avoid success at all costs.[03:39:22] <FlyingJester> It's worked well for Haskell.[03:39:34] <iwanttobe> I see! When they try it out, what do they think of Haiku?[03:40:00] <iwanttobe> I mean, it's viable to me for playing videos and audio but not browsing the web even[03:40:14] <iwanttobe> WebPositive needs some rework[03:40:25] <FlyingJester> It's viable to me for browsing the web as long as I don't want to do youtube.[03:40:27] <iwanttobe> it's WebKit engine is what needs some work[03:40:29] <FlyingJester> I usually use NetSurf.[03:40:45] <iwanttobe> FlyingJester: as soon as it's YouTube it's really bad[03:40:47] <FlyingJester> I personally think a Gecko port would be more productive than a WebKit port.[03:41:03] <FlyingJester> Gecko you at leats have a decent chance of getting your changes upstreamed.[03:41:07] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: go ahead?[03:41:16] <FlyingJester> :P[03:41:27] <waddlesplash> you can talk about ports all you like, the fact remains that the WebKit port works and the Gecko one is nonexistent :)[03:41:28] <FlyingJester> First I need to finish my fltk bindings for Gecko :P[03:41:30] <waddlesplash> and YouTube works pretty well[03:41:38] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: mmu_man has a FLTK port now...[03:41:42] <FlyingJester> I heard![03:41:47] <FlyingJester> I'm very excited for it.[03:41:47] <iwanttobe> FlyingJester: lol lol I want to see all the toolkits ported[03:41:57] <iwanttobe> and a rootless X.Org and full UNIX support[03:42:00] <waddlesplash> iwanttobe: GTK will be ported in, like, never, probably[03:42:01] <waddlesplash> LOL NO.[03:42:03] <waddlesplash> NO XORG[03:42:10] <FlyingJester> fltk is my toolkit of choice, and a WHOLE lot less demanding or complex than any other 'gui' toolkit.[03:42:11] <iwanttobe> LOL K[03:42:13] <waddlesplash> and we already have POSIX, mostly[03:42:18] <FlyingJester> Mostly because fltk is _only_ a gui toolkit.[03:42:24] <waddlesplash> well, yes[03:42:29] <waddlesplash> but there's a time and place for Qt, say[03:42:33] <FlyingJester> Sure.[03:42:34] <waddlesplash> GTK has a special place in hell, though[03:42:45] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: I want to know exactly why though[03:42:46] <FlyingJester> But if it's "I need a GUI for my program", I feel that using Qt is a bit off.[03:42:52] <waddlesplash> iwanttobe: it's a dumpster fire[03:42:59] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: well, yes, of course[03:43:03] <waddlesplash> it depends what application[03:43:13] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: so you tell me this Chromium should be ported to Qt to run on Haiku?[03:43:18] <waddlesplash> iwanttobe: wat lol no[03:43:22] <FlyingJester> Chromium--[03:43:29] <iwanttobe> lol lol[03:43:31] <waddlesplash> Chromium is a giant monster[03:43:38] <waddlesplash> Gecko is too, but that's another story[03:43:46] <FlyingJester> Who doesn't like browsers that download blackbox binaries that listen on your microphone without your consent?[03:43:48] <waddlesplash> WebKit is probably the easiest to port, in a lot of ways[03:43:54] <FlyingJester> That happened with Chromium, on Debian.[03:43:54] <waddlesplash> FlyingJester: erm that's Chrome?[03:43:58] <waddlesplash> oh, yes, that thing[03:44:56] <FlyingJester> Gecko is probably more work to port, but Mozilla is fine with adding your work even if it doesn't directly benefit them. I don't get that impression from the WebKit folks, and I know that's not true of Google.[03:46:15] <FlyingJester> Plus, I know a lot of Mozilla folks like Haiku.[03:46:18] <waddlesplash> well, there *was* a BeOS port of Firefox, but they killed it from the tree at the end of the 2.0 days[03:46:21] <waddlesplash> it worked until then[03:46:26] <FlyingJester> Servo port when? :P[03:46:33] <FlyingJester> Well, there's also a Qt port of Firefox.[03:46:35] <waddlesplash> like, never? servo has a zillion deps[03:46:53] <waddlesplash> and all sorts of platform specific stuffs[03:47:01] <waddlesplash> even though we have rust now (well, an old rust, but still)[03:47:04] <FlyingJester> Yeah, I kind of figured.[03:47:14] <FlyingJester> Oh? I thought that llvm didn't work?[03:48:42] <FlyingJester> But there is a Qt port of Firefox, like in the gecko-dev tree itself.[03:49:00] <FlyingJester> There'd still be more work, though...lots of stuff relating to media handling in particular...[03:49:30] <waddlesplash> I can imagine[03:49:50] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[03:50:54] <FlyingJester> That's getting better, though. If you only want HTML5 a/v, you just need to write a platform decoder module. That isn't _too_ much work.[03:50:59] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:50:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[03:51:09] <waddlesplash> well, we have one of those for WebKit and all[03:54:32] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[03:56:00] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2775 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2775[03:56:16] <Vidrep> I'm outta here[03:56:22] <Vidrep> Good night guys[03:56:55] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[03:57:25] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[03:58:15] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:18:29] <CandidC> Just writing confirming that radio streaming works fine on the latest nightly. Still can't open .pls files online, but it is able to open the MP3 embedded in the file[04:18:43] <CandidC> MediaPlayer still crashes on exit though[04:20:43] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jscipione@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[04:20:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[04:22:01] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:23:35] <waddlesplash> CandidC: yeah, we don't handle M3U yet either[04:23:50] <waddlesplash> we might be able to add support for that to MediaPlayer; we'll see[04:24:47] <CandidC> Also, the text field in the open network stream dialog, the cursor doesn't default there and it doesn't support tabbing to other UI elements or pressing enter to submit the field[04:25:06] <CandidC> Thanks for all the work though, it's really good to see it progressing along[04:25:26] <CandidC> I'll be throwing more donation dollars you guys way for sure :)[04:32:55] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:33:46] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[04:33:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[04:50:17] <waddlesplash> :)[04:54:21] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: Even www.x.org/wiki/ is messed up[04:54:38] <iwanttobe> like they won't show you X.org 1.18.3 vs. X.org 1.18.4[04:54:52] <iwanttobe> so, rootless Wayland lol?[04:55:18] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[04:57:54] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:58:03] <iwanttobe> waddlesplash: oh gah some help with qemu please[04:58:16] <iwanttobe> I want to use Haiku in qemu[04:58:30] <iwanttobe> I can't really install it on physical hardware you see[05:02:31] <IIsi50MHz> No USB storage to boot from?[05:02:39] <iwanttobe> no sir that's when I get home[05:04:20] <IIsi50MHz> I use Virtual Box, but not for Haiku usually. No Qemu here. /-:[05:07:48] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[05:08:14] <HaikuUser> how do I mount a samba share>[05:08:16] <HaikuUser> ?[05:12:16] <IIsi50MHz> I never tried. Might be better to ask when Europe's awake.[05:13:10] *** Plazma <Plazma!~plazma@freenode/staff-emeritus/plazma> has left #haiku[05:13:37] <pecan> Darn Europeans and their backward-ass timezones.[05:14:32] <pecan> I think all europeans should be nocturnal so they can interact with normal society.[05:14:34] <IIsi50MHz> Darn spheres, and there spinning-around-the-grand-lamp.[05:14:48] <IIsi50MHz> their, too. also[05:15:09] <pecan> Earth's flat, don't let them fool you.[05:15:37] <IIsi50MHz> Even Kansas isn't flat.[05:18:14] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[05:18:33] <pecan> lol[05:18:46] <Sir_Designer> comparing to Iowa,Kansas is damn flat. You have to go to the SW of it to get some occasional hill[05:19:03] <pecan> Compared to Colorado you're all very flat ^_^[05:19:26] <IIsi50MHz> Pshaw, northeast Kansas has a hill or three.[05:19:28] <Sir_Designer> 2/5ths of Colorado is Kansas, dear.[05:19:47] <IIsi50MHz> But Cincinnati is more fun, topologically.[05:19:59] <Sir_Designer> especially Mt. Adams[05:20:00] <pecan> Sir_Designer: They can take that part.[05:20:08] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[05:22:14] <Sir_Designer> pecan that would include the city of Denver ;)[05:22:37] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[05:26:47] <IIsi50MHz> I've been through Iowa. Long rolling hills that look like if you just cranked the saturation way, Way up, you'd have an XP default desktop.[05:27:10] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9e492.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[05:27:35] <Sir_Designer> it's pretty country. and not just along the Mississippii[05:28:06] <IIsi50MHz> You should rename that part: the Iowa. 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Did i forgot a lib?[11:32:23] <miqlas-H> lubo76: you already made it.[11:32:54] <lubo76> miqlas: I would like to join to this channel from Windows[11:33:08] <miqlas-H> You can do that.[11:33:13] <johnny_b> yep[11:33:24] <miqlas-H> I see you are using Visin now.[11:33:49] <miqlas-H> You can reboot into Windows, install an IRC client, set it up to connect to freenode, and then just joint to #haiku[11:34:14] <lubo76> freenode, but what is the address of freenode?[11:34:18] <lubo76> server[11:34:38] <miqlas-H> irc.freenode.net i think[11:34:43] <lubo76> thanks[11:34:53] <miqlas-H> check the port on the net.[11:35:20] <miqlas-H> Oh, it is 6667[11:37:59] *** lubos76 <lubos76!~lubo76@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[11:38:27] <lubos76> miklas: thank you, it is going OK[11:39:08] <lubos76> I had to edit server name by your advice[11:41:16] <miqlas-H> YEY![11:44:17] <miqlas-H> We just saved the world. Again.[11:46:53] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[12:07:29] <lubos76> again???? Who saved for first time?[12:07:32] <lubos76> and when?[12:07:45] <johnny_b> jesus![12:07:55] <lubos76> right[12:08:28] <johnny_b> dakujem pekne 8)[12:09:05] <lubos76> johny, are u french?[12:10:02] <lubos76> do u have AIX???[12:10:14] <johnny_b> negative[12:10:25] <lubos76> slovak?[12:10:35] <johnny_b> negative 8)[12:11:06] <johnny_b> len viem trosku po slovensky, nekombinuj prilis vela o tom 8)[12:11:32] <lubos76> slovak parents?[12:11:46] <lubos76> or wife from Slova-kia?[12:11:58] <johnny_b> no 8D[12:12:23] <johnny_b> i was born in Czechoslovakia[12:12:35] <johnny_b> that's all[12:12:41] <lubos76> emigrant?[12:13:18] <johnny_b> sort of[12:14:26] <lubos76> sort of = kinda?[12:14:55] <miqlas-H> I never thought that you are a czechoslovak[12:15:10] <johnny_b> yes but enough questions for today[12:15:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[12:15:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[12:15:34] <johnny_b> there's no such thing as czechoslovak[12:15:38] <lubos76> when did u lice CSSR?[12:15:42] <lubos76> *leave[12:16:22] <johnny_b> i still have my slovak citizenship[12:16:49] <lubos76> if u went to France, then u leave CSSR not legal[12:17:10] <johnny_b> ???[12:17:36] <Begasus> ok ... stuck a bit, trying to fix the settings dir for tuxtype2 (looked at several files .. but as I'm not a programmer there's probly something wrong here) " find_directory(B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY, 0, true, fn[FNLEN], sizeof(fn[FNLEN]));"[12:17:45] <lubos76> Nobody could went to "West" till 1989 for long time[12:18:25] <Begasus> ps ... no bashing :P[12:21:30] <lubos76> johny, I know 3D, 8D no[12:23:22] <Barrett> Begasus, I don't completely understand your question[12:24:32] <Begasus> trying to patch a file so that the settings file would go into $settingsDir instead of ~/home Barrett[12:24:53] <Barrett> why not use the BPath version?[12:25:06] <Begasus> never try'd it before but wanted to get a feeling about it[12:25:49] <Begasus> B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY was the first thing I could find in some of the other game patchsets[12:27:08] <Barrett> find_directory(B_USER_DIRECTORY, &path)[12:27:33] <Barrett> sorry B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY[12:30:38] <Begasus> pm'd ... don't shoot (I'm totaly new at this) ;)[12:37:13] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9e492.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[12:43:06] <miqlas-H> Begasus, i make a photo about you. just look into the barrel, please.[12:44:04] <Begasus> there's more then enough pictures of me .. but I can look into my cup of coffee :P[12:48:15] <miqlas-H> Bega, i have no photo about you.[12:48:48] <miqlas-H> I hmade some about js, but they are not my best phtos.[12:49:20] <miqlas-H> You should visit the next BG.[12:50:33] <miqlas-H> Bega: What is the state of the ResidulalVM on Haiku?[12:50:41] <miqlas-H> Can we play Grim Fandango?[12:52:29] <Begasus> yes miqlas-H also Myst[12:57:57] <miqlas-H> Cool[12:58:02] <miqlas-H> I need to go.[12:58:15] <miqlas-H> I wish a nice afternoon for you[12:58:16] <Begasus> cu[12:58:20] <Begasus> same there :)[12:58:40] <miqlas-H> bye[12:58:47] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[12:59:05] *** qis <qis!~qis@ip-178-200-100-75.hsi07.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[13:36:59] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[13:39:00] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[13:52:15] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:54:51] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:00:23] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-sntqjqwsijoeixoq> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[14:01:57] *** stargater 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Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:54:53] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:02:33] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:02:33] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:13:17] <munchausen> Hi mmu_man[15:13:37] <munchausen> what's the actual difference between BUILD_REQUIRES and BUILD_PREREQUIRES?[15:14:03] <munchausen> Experimenting with it, it doesn't seem to matter which things I put where[15:17:29] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKj2x[15:17:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus 52cc953 - scummvm 1.8.1 new recipe (#619)[15:18:04] <waddlesplash> munchausen: All commands are supposed to go in PREREQUIRES, all libs/etc. go in REQUIRES[15:19:46] <munchausen> ah ok, so there's no actual semantic difference wrt to building[15:21:09] <munchausen> I can't get configure to work with SDL. Says the test SDL program linked but wouldn't run. Sigh[15:24:26] <Begasus> thanks waddlesplash :)[15:25:28] <Begasus> munchausen ... do you have libSDL in the requirements?[15:25:39] <Begasus> lib:libsdl$secondaryArchSuffix*[15:26:09] <Begasus> and in the build_requires " devel:libsdl$secondaryArchSuffix"[15:26:14] <munchausen> Begasus yeah I've got those[15:26:44] <munchausen> It's finding it to link against but fails when trying to run it... which means a runtime linker error[15:27:17] <Begasus> can you pastebin it (the recipe)?[15:27:45] <munchausen> So I tried mucking about with autoreconf and libtoolize but that isn't working[15:28:17] <waddlesplash> Begasus: np[15:28:33] <Begasus> did you try to build it outside of haikuporter?[15:28:43] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.218.176> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:28:56] <Begasus> unzip the build ... cd into it ... run ./configure[15:30:12] <Begasus> I usualy do this before I start a recipe :)[15:30:56] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[15:31:42] <Begasus> Hallo Mawi ;) we zien niet veel nederlandstaligen hier ;)[15:32:36] <Mawi> oh ja, ik heb hier natuurlijk geen vhost[15:34:00] <Begasus> ;)[15:34:11] <Begasus> *back to English* ;)[15:37:21] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:37:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:37:21] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:46:07] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[15:48:50] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[15:56:42] <munchausen> Begasus gtg now but yeah it does configure fine outside of the recipe[15:58:32] <Begasus> ok, then probably something in the recipe ... cu later[16:03:15] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[16:07:15] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-wqmbunfsyjcgbduo> has joined #haiku[16:13:10] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[16:17:32] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:42:44] <Begasus> bugger ... I hate these 'invalid top level entries" ;)[16:50:04] *** stpere <stpere!~stpere@c75.152.29-35.clta.globetrotter.net> has joined #haiku[16:50:18] <stpere> hi[16:50:49] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86bc14.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:50:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:52:13] <Begasus> hi stpere[16:52:16] <Begasus> hi humdinger :)[16:52:32] <humdinger> Halloa Begasus![16:54:22] <Begasus> finaly got scummvm's new recipe accepted (seems I missed the 'git' thing there) ;)[16:56:18] <humdinger> Let the games begin![16:56:32] <Begasus> was looking into a fix to set $settingsDir instead of ~/home for tuxtype earlier ... but no luck there (wanted to tackle that one before looking into atanks again) :)[16:56:52] <Begasus> ps, download for scummvm's new version has been online for some time ;)[16:57:43] <humdinger> I'm not much of a gamer...[16:57:54] <Begasus> been working my way up for tuxtype now to see what the latest version still builds on Haiku[16:58:07] <Begasus> not a gamer myself also humdinger ;)[17:12:18] <Begasus> is there a way to delete a folder like "work-x86-1.7.2/packaging/tuxtype2_x86/share" in the recipe?[17:27:48] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86bc14.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[17:28:04] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86bc14.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:28:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:28:20] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-27-223.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[17:32:12] <Begasus> k .... have to give it a rest ... out for food :)[17:32:17] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[17:38:39] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[17:41:53] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[17:42:25] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined 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*** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[21:40:33] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~Vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[21:40:40] <Vidrep> Hi[21:41:56] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, the fix you did for ticket #12704 isn't working[21:42:46] <Vidrep> I did a fresh install of hrev50460 then a pkgman update to hrev50463[21:48:20] <Vidrep> I have added comment to the ticket[21:50:44] *** lorglas <lorglas!~user5562@p20030086AB240E003DCA052C94662F7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[21:52:59] <bbjimmy> mount_nfs .... what does :export mean?[21:58:54] *** lorglas <lorglas!~user5562@p20030086AB240E003DCA052C94662F7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:04:03] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~John@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[22:06:01] <lelldorin> change to haiku[22:06:04] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3682a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[22:07:32] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:13:11] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e3682a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:14:43] <Lelldorin1> re[22:18:59] <Vidrep> Lelldorin1, I see that the dmidecode package installed with BeSlySAT gathers most of the same information as the script[22:20:15] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~John@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[22:21:03] <Lelldorin1> Vidrep: so i deos not need to work with it[22:21:49] <Vidrep> well, some but not all[22:22:54] <Vidrep> Maybe BeSlySAT could be made to use some of the same terminal commands running in the background[22:23:26] <Vidrep> Just ideas right now.[22:23:43] <Vidrep> Open a channel to discuss[22:24:18] <Lelldorin1> i store reports from: dmidecode, ifconfig, listdev, listimage, listusb, packager, repos, sysinfo, syslog[22:24:24] <Lelldorin1> is there anything more?[22:25:09] <Vidrep> Probably not[22:28:39] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~John@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[22:29:41] *** lorglas <lorglas!~androirc@p20030086AB240E003DCA052C94662F7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:30:14] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@93-45-209-21.ip104.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[22:30:38] *** Barrett is now known as Guest38835[22:31:09] <stargater> intresting stuff https://latchup.blogspot.de/2016/07/gplgpu-walkthrough.html[22:31:59] <Vidrep> Lelldorin1, I'm thinking some of that info could be automatically imported into the analysis tab[22:32:54] <Vidrep> It would also be nice to have the ability to do individual components (on another tab?)[22:34:19] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~John@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[22:34:20] <mmu_man> bookmarked[22:35:16] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-178-003-219-011.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[22:37:59] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B150819.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:39:00] <Vidrep> Lelldorin1, suppost I create a "test" entry. How to delete it later?[22:39:07] <Vidrep> suppose[22:41:55] <Lelldorin1> Vidrep: ok should be a feature that i does not included yet ;-)[22:43:39] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jscipione@97-126-85-166.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:43:50] <Lelldorin1> Vidrep:/boot/home/.besly/BeSlySAT/database/userDB here you can delete your entry. And you need also delete the shortcut into /SHAREDBFS/.besly/BeSlySAT/database/appDB[22:44:36] *** lorglas <lorglas!~androirc@p20030086AB240E003DCA052C94662F7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:45:33] <Vidrep> OK[22:45:50] <Vidrep> I need to familiarize myself again with your app[22:46:08] <Vidrep> It's been a few months since last using it[22:46:48] <Vidrep> Overall, it's pretty good![22:47:26] <Lelldorin1> there are at the moment not comparable[22:47:30] <Vidrep> Do you have any message board or forum where such ideas could be posted?[22:47:46] <Lelldorin1> you can se the forum of http://www.besly.de[22:48:02] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-188-105-065-143.188.105.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[22:48:06] <Vidrep> I'd like to hear ideas from others[22:48:12] <Lelldorin1> we does not have a forum on software.besly.de at the moment[22:48:47] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:51:27] <Vidrep> Lelldorin1, having the ability to do individual component reports would be a good feature (printers, external usb devices, graphics card etc)[22:52:23] <Vidrep> The app as it is now looks really good for systems (laptops, desktops)[22:52:30] <Lelldorin1> Vidrep: i thinked about it too, but i discard it because you does not get this hardware besife the computer[22:54:43] <Vidrep> I need to put more thought into this after using it again some more[22:54:53] <Vidrep> Maybe next week[22:55:16] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:55:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:57:32] *** lubos76 <lubos76!~lubo76@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:59:57] *** iLogic <iLogic!~nlogic@unaffiliated/ilogic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:01:23] *** iLogic <iLogic!~nlogic@unaffiliated/ilogic> has joined #haiku[23:01:31] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~lubo76@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[23:05:32] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[23:09:10] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-jtflpbrttlwxrbxg> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:10:10] <Vidrep> CandidC, you were commenting earlier about the streaming player[23:10:33] <Vidrep> Actually you can play pls streams, but a workaround is involved[23:11:42] <Guest38835> it should wait the implementation of something like a BPlaylist[23:11:56] *** Guest38835 <Guest38835!~da@93-45-209-21.ip104.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:11:56] *** Guest38835 <Guest38835!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[23:11:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Guest38835[23:11:56] *** Guest38835 is now known as Barrett[23:12:17] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett, long time...[23:12:20] <Barrett> perhaps with translators behind to manage also playlist format conversions[23:12:25] <Barrett> hello[23:12:49] <Vidrep> You can use the trick with wget to obtain a URL for pls streams[23:14:00] <Barrett> I could do that directly in MP but would be exactly the opposite of the general plan[23:14:08] <Barrett> we need to simplify MP[23:14:12] <Barrett> see later[23:14:33] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:14:42] <Vidrep> Of course we would like to be able to directly input any URL and have it play[23:15:06] <Vidrep> But for now, it can be made to work with the "trick" workaround[23:16:11] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:19] *** return0e <return0e!~return0e@178-78-68-13.static.kc.net.uk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:40] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:24:33] <Lelldorin1> Vidrep: back to the discrution about beslysat and only storing as attributes, this is not correct, i store the data also as textfile[23:28:25] <Vidrep> Lelldorin1, looking at your app again I see all the relevant data tabbed when creating a new entry[23:28:41] <Vidrep> "listdev" "listusb" etc etc[23:29:53] <Vidrep> It's quite a lot of work to manually enter all that data into the report. I'm just wondering if any of can be imported somehow.[23:30:05] <Vidrep> any of it can[23:32:32] <Vidrep> I just encountered a bug when launching the app[23:33:23] <Vidrep> It freezes. When looking at team monitor there are 2 instances of yab running. Kill one, and the app recovers to normal.[23:35:25] <Lelldorin1> need to look at it[23:38:44] <Vidrep> I have to go out for the evening[23:38:58] <Lelldorin1> cu[23:38:59] <Vidrep> We'll talk again later[23:39:13] <Vidrep> Keep up the good work![23:39:46] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:39:50] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~Vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:55:48] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db310df.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:55:50] *** vooshy <vooshy!~vooshy@cpc12-nrwh10-2-0-cust713.4-4.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[23:56:07] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-13-252.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)