July 29, 2016 
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July 29, 2016 [00:03:18] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:04:30] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:07:18] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[00:07:52] <lubo76> everybody is sleeping....[00:08:10] <mmu_man> I suppose so :)[00:08:55] <lubo76> only here, in Europe we are sleepng now, but in USA not[00:09:42] <lubo76> are u using HAIKU too?[00:10:39] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.196.143> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:14:43] *** iio7 <iio7!~iio7@192.40.89.18> has joined #haiku[00:15:42] <iio7> Hi. I have tried running the latest build on two different boxes without success. The x86 image should be runable on a 64bit box right?[00:16:42] <iio7> In both cases the boot freezes when it reaches the CPU icon.[00:16:47] <iio7> At the boot screen.[00:17:25] <mmu_man> yes it should work[00:17:41] <mmu_man> did you try to enable the on-screen debug log ?[00:18:13] <iio7> No, I need to look into that, don't know how to enable it.[00:20:29] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:22:16] *** SparkySquirrel <SparkySquirrel!~gentoo@107-219-209-120.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net> has joined #haiku[00:22:35] <jessicah> press space bar when starting boot, and it's in the debug menu[00:22:40] <jessicah> or hold down shift[00:22:41] <munchausen> iio7 hold down shift before booting[00:22:44] <SparkySquirrel> jessicah: how do you dive right in to coding that UEFI support?[00:22:47] <jessicah> sometimes one or the other works better[00:22:50] <munchausen> ninjad :P[00:22:56] <jessicah> :p[00:23:00] <jessicah> SparkySquirrel: hmm?[00:23:11] <SparkySquirrel> jessicah: you used to work on Haiku under UEFI[00:23:13] <munchausen> with space bar you need to spam it[00:23:34] <jessicah> shift doesn't always work[00:23:44] <jessicah> SparkySquirrel: still am; it's very slow progress[00:23:50] <jessicah> tqh did the initial work though[00:24:04] <SparkySquirrel> hrm I need which C and C++ books I need to buy[00:24:09] <SparkySquirrel> that's my prob[00:24:11] <munchausen> iio7 there are a bunch of different options you can try disabling stuff to see if that helps[00:24:37] <munchausen> debug output will help to diagnose the problem[00:25:29] <jessicah> UEFI is just an API to follow, and a few specifics about generating a valid binary[00:25:55] <jessicah> it's not too much different to targeting an API like Qt, etc.[00:26:04] <DHowett> insofar as buckets upon buckets of function pointers hiding behind GUIDs is an API :)[00:26:11] <jessicah> sure, debugging is a bit more of a pain in the ass :p[00:26:47] <jessicah> eh, with gnuefi, much of it is encapsulated in structs[00:27:09] <jessicah> cast to a struct of right type, and then it looks like normal function calls with an explicit 'this' pointer[00:27:32] <jessicah> it's still fairly straightforward to use[00:28:02] <SparkySquirrel> https://amzn.com/w/B3C7FDVX65WL[00:28:09] <SparkySquirrel> jessicah: those are the books I want to buy[00:28:33] <jessicah> I've never learned from paperback books[00:28:40] <SparkySquirrel> then how?[00:28:48] <jessicah> I studied computer science at uni[00:28:55] <munchausen> hardback? :D[00:28:59] <jessicah> but I was also a very quick learner[00:29:12] <iio7> SparkySquirrel, I recommend just one book and then looking at lots of code, test and trial, it's the very best way.[00:29:17] <iio7> The one book is: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0131103628/ref=wl_mb_recs_1_title[00:29:32] <iio7> And you can find that all over the net for free.[00:29:40] <jessicah> hell, I helped friends with assignments in programming languages I've never come across before[00:29:44] <jessicah> like Haskell[00:30:57] <munchausen> there are some useful books on specific topics. the linux device drivers book is good, the appel book on compiler design, books on algorithms etc[00:31:18] <munchausen> the original c handbook is good as a reference guide[00:31:20] <iio7> SparkySquirrel, find something simple (in the beginning) you would like to create, then "start coding", look things up, functions, etc., you'll learn much more and faster this way.[00:31:38] <iio7> Yes, the Linux device driver book, once you get to a more advanced level.[00:31:41] <munchausen> SparkySquirrel tutorials might be a good way to start[00:31:42] <jessicah> SparkySquirrel: also, if you want to become a really good programmer, learn some functional programming too[00:31:54] <jessicah> like lisp, scheme, ocaml, haskell.. something of that sort[00:32:22] <SparkySquirrel> iio7: I wanna create a wagging dog that wags with a funny character every line[00:32:27] <munchausen> or logic programming! don't forget prolog[00:32:37] <jessicah> ah yes, prolog :)[00:32:39] <SparkySquirrel> so in Java it's public class Dog {[00:32:46] <SparkySquirrel> then DogRunner[00:32:52] <SparkySquirrel> then TailImpl[00:33:11] <SparkySquirrel> and it loops the wagging in a thread[00:33:15] <jessicah> at uni, learned C, then Java, then Haskell and Prolog, some Delphi in the mix[00:33:32] <SparkySquirrel> alright how would you start doing this in C?[00:33:40] <SparkySquirrel> I can try whatever you think is best[00:33:46] <SparkySquirrel> I know a little Java already[00:33:57] <jessicah> in C, it was learning about arrays, pointers, implementing structures like linked lists, etc.[00:34:33] <jessicah> a lot of people who code these days don't have solid foundations in CS theory :([00:34:36] <jessicah> it's pretty sad[00:34:57] <munchausen> SparkySquirrel first pick a library for doing the graphics. There are a lot of options[00:35:01] <iio7> SparkySquirrel, get the reference I linked to, see how to make a basic C program, and you will quickly proceed from there I believe.[00:35:03] <SparkySquirrel> I want to learn all of that jessicah[00:35:28] <SparkySquirrel> if I cannot learn data structures and reasoning about them I'll never make my video game engine I dream about sometimes[00:35:33] <jessicah> people who want to jump straight into writing apps are taking the wrong approach, imo[00:36:04] <SparkySquirrel> I want to launch Haiku Games[00:36:07] <munchausen> you've got to start with some aim in mind though[00:36:21] <SparkySquirrel> they are video games that run on Haiku[00:36:29] <SparkySquirrel> and they provide money[00:36:35] *** iio7 <iio7!~iio7@192.40.89.18> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:37:31] <SparkySquirrel> if I make money and give it to Haiku[00:38:06] <SparkySquirrel> so, where's a tutorial in data structures in Java?[00:38:13] <SparkySquirrel> preferably C++[00:38:24] <munchausen> You need a decent understanding of C to start C++ programming, I think. You don't get any OO like java, but it gives an understanding of manual memory management[00:38:32] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:38:51] <SparkySquirrel> mhm, ok C is either what I jump off to or I stick to Java[00:39:26] <munchausen> C++ is harder than C[00:39:59] <munchausen> Well, sort of[00:40:13] <munchausen> It's a much bigger language[00:40:17] <SparkySquirrel> then C is what I'll do but I want as my first program a little robot that'll just join a silly channel and tell whoever joins hi from /me[00:41:23] <munchausen> That is a more reasonable aim than something that needs graphics[00:41:49] <SparkySquirrel> so I need to read this RFC on IRC and this little guide on BSD socket API[00:41:59] <SparkySquirrel> I did it before but I couldn't get the blasted thing to connect[00:42:18] <SparkySquirrel> Beej's Guide to Network [Socket?] Programming[00:44:02] <munchausen> TBH if I was going to do that I would look for a library that already speaks IRC[00:44:10] <munchausen> http://www.ulduzsoft.com/libircclient/ looks good[00:44:54] <munchausen> I mean, it isn't like you want to write an irc client, it's just a demo app right? So why worry about manual socket programming[00:44:54] <stargate1> any doom fans around? -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nA5FJL_CoA[00:51:15] <SparkySquirrel> munchausen: how would you get an event_connect() handler function?[00:54:22] <SparkySquirrel> like what is a handler function?[00:58:27] <munchausen> SparkySquirrel you need to write it[00:58:43] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[00:58:54] <munchausen> So it means its a function that you write that gets called when the connection event occurs[00:59:05] <munchausen> So then you can run specific code when you get a connection[00:59:19] <munchausen> The callbacks are declared as: typedef void (*irc_event_callback_t)(irc_session_t * session, const char * event, const char * origin, const char ** params, unsigned int count);[00:59:21] <SparkySquirrel> so my irc_connect() handler just says Hi i'm connected to this server and it knows which[01:00:04] <SparkySquirrel> so you read it from the session variable? if so then how?[01:01:58] <munchausen> So you declare a function like: irc_event_callback my_connect_handler(irc_session_t * session, const char * event, const char * origin, const char ** params, unsigned int count)[01:02:45] <IIsi50MHz> SparkySquirrel: When I ported an IRC bot from *nix to Windows, I had to rewrite the sockets for Windows quirks. Lots of trouble connecting, at first.[01:03:28] <IIsi50MHz> I therefore found a proxy server program to run on the local machine, which let me see the messages being exchanged.[01:03:34] <munchausen> SparkySquirrel you have already told it which server to connect to at this point using a previous call[01:04:05] <munchausen> There are some examples there on the page for how to initialise, connect to a server[01:04:10] <IIsi50MHz> And that led me to the solutions, because I could see where a malformed message or completely absent message occurred.[01:04:31] <munchausen> Presumably once connected you want to go to a room and then say hello[01:06:29] <munchausen> SparkySquirrel maybe the library is confusing things. There is some really simple irc code that only uses sockets here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=64254[01:06:52] * mmu_man still cleaning up *one* of it's Firefox windows[01:07:53] <munchausen> mmu_man this is pretty extreme tabbing it sounds like[01:08:59] <munchausen> people tend to look at my computer like its got a disease when they see how many tabs I have open, I'm beginning to suspect some people might actually fire a gun at yours :)[01:10:20] <munchausen> I need to get some sleep before my boy wakes up again[01:10:28] <munchausen> SparkySquirrel good luck ;)[01:13:57] <mmu_man> yeah[01:14:05] <mmu_man> it takes now like 30min to restart Firefox[01:14:11] <mmu_man> cleanup was really needed[01:14:56] <munchausen> mmu_man install the session manager addon[01:15:04] <munchausen> You can save and restore sessions[01:15:48] <munchausen> Also, I periodically go through all my tabs and group them into windows by topic, then just save all the tabs at once to a bookmarks folder on that topic[01:16:05] <munchausen> (and close the window)[01:16:07] <SparkySquirrel> mmu_man: how do you guys get so many tabs on the left side of the screen?[01:16:16] <SparkySquirrel> munchausen: ^^[01:16:27] <munchausen> on the left?[01:16:30] <SparkySquirrel> yes[01:16:43] <munchausen> They just stack up, you can scroll left and right through them[01:16:54] <munchausen> I don't understand the question[01:16:57] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:17:12] <SparkySquirrel> ok[01:17:13] <munchausen> You just keep opening tabs![01:17:14] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:17:19] <munchausen> Firefox does the rest[01:17:20] <SparkySquirrel> how do you get them to stack up?[01:17:29] <munchausen> ARe you talking about haiku?[01:17:30] <SparkySquirrel> any Firefox extensions to make Firefox do that?[01:17:43] <munchausen> Oh actually yes, you can group tabs[01:18:02] <SparkySquirrel> can I get Haiku booted real fast?[01:18:04] <munchausen> Thats an opera feature, I think there are firefox addons for it[01:18:14] <munchausen> Anyway, gtg, gn[01:20:02] *** [JJ]Albert <[JJ]Albert!~Albert@2602:306:3477:b800:d8a6:b05:48e:a561> has joined #haiku[01:21:27] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[01:23:30] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:24:21] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[01:42:52] <mmu_man> aw[01:43:04] <mmu_man> sorted out more than 870 tabs today[01:45:05] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b5983e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:45:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[02:01:39] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:07:14] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:09:31] 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oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:04:35] *** kp3ft <kp3ft!~kp3ft@adsl-173-228-248-108.prtc.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:06:28] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[07:06:39] <Begasus> moin[07:52:24] <johnny_b> morning[08:00:07] <Begasus> hi johnny_b[08:05:35] <johnny_b> howdy?[08:07:22] <Begasus> fine here, just upped the pr for lgeneral, looking into rocksndiamonds atm[08:07:28] <Begasus> how's it going there?[08:08:05] <johnny_b> monsoon time 8([08:08:27] <johnny_b> heavy rains, moisture, little sunshine[08:08:52] <johnny_b> not very pleasant[08:09:19] <Begasus> jikes :/[08:10:14] <johnny_b> btw i never liked lgeneral[08:10:49] <johnny_b> it killed the point of the panzer general - evolving and having fun your units[08:10:50] <Begasus> I hardly play the games, getting them to work is more fun ;)[08:11:16] *** md103 <md103!~chatzilla@190.92.95.61> has joined #haiku[08:12:01] <johnny_b> unfortunately game variety without OpenGL is pretty limited[08:13:35] <Begasus> there's still quit something around, and support of rendering isn't yet what it should be, so yes, quite a lot of the openGL stuff doesn't function as should be[08:14:22] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.69.151.70.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[08:14:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[08:15:54] <Begasus> latest version of blobwars rely's on SDL2 (which in it's own case needs OpenGL) ... it build ...; starts .. but no functional rendering engine around ...[08:17:02] <johnny_b> 8([08:17:33] <johnny_b> probably it's not a top priority project[08:18:19] <FlyingJester> Begasus: SDL2 doesn't need OpenGL.[08:18:21] <Begasus> or no-one to tackle it atm[08:19:06] <FlyingJester> Although I have found SDL2 to have very buggy rendering on Haiku. All of my own projects have really bad flickering whenbuilt on Haiku.[08:19:51] <Begasus> do you use the one provided by pkgman FlyingJester? (in the recipe it clearly states " lib:libGL$secondaryArchSuffix")[08:20:05] <FlyingJester> Begasus: No, I build it myself.[08:20:32] <Begasus> ah ok, maybe that's why you are not relying on OpenGL then :)[08:20:44] <FlyingJester> Mostly because I don't use a number of features, like OpenGL and SDL2's audio, so I want a library that doesn't have those things for my projects.[08:20:56] <Begasus> haven't looked into the SDL2 libs (aside from smpeg2)[08:23:59] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-211-9-230.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:24:10] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-50-19-29-210.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[08:24:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[08:25:46] <FlyingJester> I personally find SDL2 most useful for windowing and events. That's where OSes diverge the most.[08:26:26] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[08:28:23] <johnny_b> hi FlyingJester[08:28:34] <FlyingJester> o hi[08:28:37] <johnny_b> how is the SPARC port going? 8)[08:29:14] <FlyingJester> I still have no idea how to program the mmu of my UltraSparc machines, or much about the boot process outside OpenBoot :P[08:29:19] <FlyingJester> So still nothing.[08:29:34] <johnny_b> shame no you 8p[08:29:44] <johnny_b> s/no/on[08:30:19] <johnny_b> what about ppc port?[08:43:02] *** geist <geist!~geist@tkgeisel.com> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[08:45:25] *** geist <geist!~geist@tkgeisel.com> has joined #haiku[08:45:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[08:56:49] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@abjp83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[08:56:49] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@abjp83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Changing host)[08:56:49] *** illwieckz 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Lost terminal)[13:49:00] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[14:05:21] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:05:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:09:00] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vKpDf[14:09:01] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 23310c2 - unrar: bump to 5.4.4.[14:13:49] *** gazelle007 is now known as kushalsingh007[14:16:00] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[14:20:11] *** ledNaro <ledNaro!~nova@198.8.80.73> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:21:37] *** oitunk <oitunk!~x@202-161-81-83.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[14:21:47] <oitunk> wow, haiku's had a good development month it seems![14:34:01] <stargater> Begasus: ho, hi is a doom 1 game aviable for haiku?[14:42:45] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:42:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[14:43:31] <Begasus> hi stargater ... not sure[14:43:42] <Begasus> but could be that it's around[14:44:15] <Begasus> I think I saw someone posting on Facebook page about a doom version ... not sure though[14:53:35] <Akuji> stargater, check the topic https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/saving_old_beos_apps_doom_ports[15:09:33] *** SirCmpwn <SirCmpwn!sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:10:00] *** SirCmpwn <SirCmpwn!sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com> has joined #haiku[15:10:03] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:10:20] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[15:10:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:11:50] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:13:49] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:13:49] *** stippi_ 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older version :)[16:08:32] <mmu_man> damn, must re-close the whole 800 tabs in firefox cause it failed to save the session[16:08:40] <mmu_man> at least I know which are bookmarked[16:09:05] <Begasus> lol[16:09:25] <Begasus> only have 8 open atm in qupzilla :P[16:10:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[16:10:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[16:17:29] <Begasus> 'lo Barrett[16:18:32] <Barrett> hi Begasus[16:23:42] *** charginghawk <charginghawk!~chargingh@50-206-58-30-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[16:24:33] <Begasus> https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/28345795120/ ;)[16:24:49] *** iLogic <iLogic!~nlogic@unaffiliated/ilogic> has joined #haiku[16:25:01] <iLogic> hey guys[16:25:10] <Begasus> still with version 1.5.0 (tuxtype2) (only thing is ... I can't type armeians) :)[16:25:20] <Begasus> (defaults in English) :)[16:28:58] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a29a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:29:01] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has joined #haiku[16:32:32] *** belle105 <belle105!bca6987e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.166.152.126> has joined #haiku[16:42:01] <iLogic> ok guys can i get real about haiku?[16:42:23] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: ok I think I've got it right in haikuporter[16:42:29] <mmu_man> testing with various archives[16:44:08] <mmu_man> ok, worked with bash_completion's ugly archive[16:47:51] <iLogic> i really think haiku has a better chance as desktop environment than a full fledge os[16:49:42] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@80.71.17.41> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:50:14] <johnny_b> iLogic: thank you for sharing this with us[16:52:21] <Begasus> don't think it's nearly for that ;)[16:52:48] <iLogic> ok i just had to get it out of my system[16:52:54] <iLogic> the os looks awesome btw[16:54:49] <Begasus> on that part we can agree ;)[17:04:09] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKhvb[17:04:10] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] mmuman 20b2477 - Factor out lz and xz decompression[17:09:25] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[17:13:11] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[17:13:40] <Begasus> bbl[17:13:46] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[17:14:33] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:16:07] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:16:17] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:16:57] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:17:11] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:17:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:24:25] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-qzxwtxuhyclrjfju> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[17:28:04] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:28:42] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:32:26] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.218.176> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:39:43] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15058B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:39:47] <postmen> hi[17:42:04] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:43:32] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[17:45:21] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d857ee8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:45:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:52:31] <postmen> windows 10 sucks![17:52:56] <postmen> please remind me if i ever forget or sayin' somethin' different.[17:58:46] <pecan> Meh. 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The reverse engineering for the linux etc port is really cool too[21:33:18] <miqlas-H> not yet[21:34:00] <miqlas-H> and it is actually just the engine, not the whole game. the original game data is required.[21:34:08] <miqlas-H> but i think it was clear for you[21:40:15] <munchausen> yeah i realised that[21:40:21] <munchausen> I've played swars before[21:40:36] <munchausen> look forward to it :)[21:41:18] <miqlas-H> you know, it is not a big deal to compile it and the requiemnts are already in HaikuDepot, so you can try to compile it.[21:41:31] <miqlas-H> I just don't have time to write recipe for everything.[21:43:25] <johnny_b> 8|[21:44:02] <miqlas-H> Johnny,b![21:44:26] <johnny_b> at your service[22:18:23] <munchausen> miqlas there were no patches needed? In which case perhaps I will do it[22:21:10] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d4500b.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:24:17] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a29a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:26:27] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:27:00] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x55b26f5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:27:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:47:04] *** Nekron_dev <Nekron_dev!~nekron@p5B3F0B36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)[22:53:00] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[22:55:39] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:05:24] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50456 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c0d4def4e43c+%5E9ca266967d6c[23:05:25] <HAIKU-irker848> c0d4def4e43c: intel_extreme: Implement Ilk PCH FDI link training[23:06:55] <munchausen> miqlas-H which source did you use? I can see a few different versions floating around[23:07:27] <miqlas-H> swars 0.3, i think.[23:08:04] <munchausen> Ah cool, from vexillium?[23:10:52] <miqlas-H> Good bye, guys![23:11:11] <miqlas-H> munchausen: i think i got the sources from the official webpage[23:11:26] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:12:59] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15058B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[23:16:04] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:12] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+5/-2/±0] https://git.io/vKhFQ[23:16:14] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus fe979a6 - move lgeneral to the correct place according to gentoo packages, added new recipe for 1.3.1 (#744)[23:16:21] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2769 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2769 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:16:34] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:16:37] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oqnissoflrvcumvy> has joined #haiku[23:16:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[23:18:01] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKhbI[23:18:03] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson e220380 - libxpm: enable 2nd arch, drop libXpm.la. (#691)[23:18:23] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKhbt[23:18:25] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 3e0be02 - libx11: enable 2nd arch, drop libtool files. (#690)[23:19:20] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKhbn[23:19:21] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 9dcc67a - curlftpfs: add recipe. (#742)[23:22:03] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2846 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2846 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:23:59] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2911 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2911 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:24:00] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2958 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/2958 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:28:59] <Skipp_macOS> once again kallisti5 didn't test on gcc2 I see[23:35:44] <waddlesplash> ayup[23:35:49] <waddlesplash> and he may or may not have vanished[23:36:14] <waddlesplash> so, someone else (read: me) might wind up fixing this if kallisti5 doesn't reapparate[23:36:57] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2941 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/2941 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:38:19] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:38:42] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[23:42:44] <Skipp_macOS> looks like he used the non PRI versions of the format type specifiers, which produced a warning, which is treated as an error[23:43:36] <waddlesplash> yes[23:43:42] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2856 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/2856 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[23:43:45] <waddlesplash> you're welcome to fix it, if you're around[23:43:54] <waddlesplash> otherwise, I'll fix it in a while[23:45:23] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-27-223.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:48:59] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50457 [4 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bf628b479002+%5Ec0d4def4e43c[23:49:00] <HAIKU-irker848> dc55ffb419c2: LICENSE: Rename to License.md, and remove all licenses but the MIT.[23:49:01] <HAIKU-irker848> 4f117b775185: Haiku's GLUT has been licensed under the MIT license since 2012...[23:49:02] <HAIKU-irker848> 241ac545e828: Bullet: Remove license file and AboutSystem credit.[23:49:03] <HAIKU-irker848> bf628b479002: LibHTTPd: Remove license, it's just the BSD 2-Clause.[23:52:06] <waddlesplash> ok working on a fix[23:53:31] <Skipp_macOS> I've got a fix here too...[23:53:37] <waddlesplash> oh, ok, you can push yours then[23:53:41] <waddlesplash> I just started mine[23:55:28] <waddlesplash> Skipp_macOS: are you going to push yours?[23:55:45] <Skipp_macOS> still trying to build, but yeah I can push mine[23:58:08] <waddlesplash> Skipp_macOS: if it builds the accelerant, that's all you need to test, right?[23:58:15] <waddlesplash> just "jam ... intel_extreme.accelerant"[23:58:18] <waddlesplash> and if that succeeds, push[23:59:12] <Skipp_macOS> yeah that succeeded[23:59:33] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: jscipione * hrev50458 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=40ae563fa155+%5Ebf628b479002[23:59:34] <HAIKU-irker848> 40ae563fa155: Fix gcc2 build[23:59:38] <Skipp_macOS> I'm having some trouble with my tags, but, is unrelated