July 28, 2016 
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July 28, 2016 [00:00:06] <mmu_man> 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 44: ordinal not in range(128)[00:00:07] <mmu_man> again :-([00:00:15] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:09:39] *** AnonymousCoward_ <AnonymousCoward_!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:09:59] *** AnonymousCoward_ <AnonymousCoward_!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has joined #haiku[00:13:10] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[00:14:18] <Begasus> g'night peeps[00:14:22] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:15:17] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.238.160.bredband.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[00:20:00] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151B4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:26:04] *** 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seconds)[00:54:13] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:01:46] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/vKbdF[01:01:47] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 22e947a - libassuan: remove unneeded call to updateRevisionVariables.[01:02:36] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[01:09:11] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:16:34] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[01:27:49] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b63f51.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[01:27:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[01:30:10] *** bb010g <bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-trpztinpbzmkwrrl> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:55:57] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: 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*** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jscipione@174-21-4-251.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:40:17] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[04:41:19] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:44:34] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:10:16] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[05:12:02] *** bb010g <bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-klvuswrqysfoaejp> has joined #haiku[05:20:30] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50455 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=9ca266967d6c+%5E8a12a74e81e7[05:20:31] <HAIKU-irker848> 7c75696ad2db: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:20:32] <HAIKU-irker848> 9ca266967d6c: Update usb.ids from www.linux-usb.org[05:23:27] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.214.141> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[05:55:23] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2940 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/2940[06:12:54] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:13:00] *** nothing_much_ <nothing_much_!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[06:23:53] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-krqikrqwpagwfvxi> has joined #haiku[06:24:35] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[06:41:45] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[06:46:45] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[07:07:49] *** daniele_athome 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Does HAIKU support soud cards (I have i845 mobo)?[12:20:04] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:21:24] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[12:21:48] <qis> Well, he's gone but I'm also interested which sound system was used? Something custom or OSS4 from FreeBSD?[12:21:55] <lubo76> everybody is sleeping?[12:24:25] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:24:48] <leszek> last thing I know of is: There are native sound modules and oss4[12:25:25] <lubo76> leszek: are u from PL?[12:25:38] <leszek> no[12:25:55] <leszek> ancestors though[12:26:15] <lubo76> how to instal or test sound?[12:26:36] *** Guest33476 is now known as thomasm[12:28:01] <leszek> sound support is activated by default[12:28:10] <leszek> in settings under media you should be able to test it[12:28:20] <Begasus> k ... lgeneral back at work ... just some small fix .[12:28:24] <leszek> if it does not list a soundcard at all it might be not supported[12:28:44] <Begasus> lubo76 ... "installsound"?[12:29:27] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[12:29:28] <Begasus> not sure ... haven't used it in a while here but iirc it installs the opensound driver*[12:41:46] <lubo76> mp3 is not playing[12:43:39] <lubo76> sound settings is set to ICH, it is OK, sound mixer OK, AC97 mixer OK....[12:45:50] <lubo76> https://postimg.org/image/cec9n0m5j/[12:51:04] <postmen> lubo76: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=haiku+os+sound[12:51:28] <postmen> lubo76: i used the sound recorder to test sound + micro and it run right out of the box.[12:51:39] <postmen> lubo76: #haiku-pl[12:52:03] <lubo76> I think, YT do not go on webpositive[12:52:26] <lubo76> ok, I am going to watch[12:56:25] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[12:59:00] <mmu_man> f***[12:59:07] <mmu_man> metacity keeps crashing when I start vbox :-([13:00:17] <munchausen> qis yeah you can disable native sound and install oss (+ wrapper for native API). Driver support is better in native, generally[13:00:56] <postmen> hi mmu_man.[13:02:04] <Begasus> bbl[13:02:17] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[13:03:48] <mmu_man> qis: OSS still has a few bugs, including an annoying KDL sometimes on shutdown[13:03:52] <mmu_man> I should fix this someday[13:06:30] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:08:24] <munchausen> anyone know if makebootabletiny works for a beos system?[13:10:44] <munchausen> I will give it a try...[13:11:11] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[13:11:37] <postmen> i don't think they are compatible. my haiku doesn't find my beos boot partitions and vice versa.[13:20:23] <munchausen> Hmmm. Will have to find another way...[13:22:47] <postmen> what u wanna do?[13:25:40] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2607:5300:60:4390::> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[13:27:14] <munchausen> I want to install beos on an old laptop, but have no cd or floppy drive on there. So I was thinking of mounting the beos 5 PE image in linux and copying the files over to a manually created befs partition[13:27:40] <munchausen> But I think maybe I'll install beos PE on the machine and then boot that and do something similar[13:27:53] <munchausen> then have to figure out how to upgrade that to a newer beos[13:28:24] <postmen> beos or haiku? why not bootin' from usb?[13:28:26] *** amuck <amuck!~amuck@2607:5300:60:4390::> has joined #haiku[13:29:00] <postmen> try plop, if it can't boot from usb (don't know if it works).[13:29:36] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-xbeuwmokisrselmp> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[13:30:15] <munchausen> It can't boot from USB, and doesn't have a CD or floppy drive[13:30:30] <stargater> sdcard?[13:30:52] <stargater> what laptop model it is ?[13:31:05] <munchausen> Oh plop looks cool[13:31:09] <munchausen> That might work[13:31:21] <munchausen> postmen it's beos[13:31:30] <qis> munchausen: mmu_man: Thanks for the info.[13:31:35] <munchausen> stargater sony vaio pcg-c1xd[13:33:23] <stargater> hmm to old[13:33:29] <stargater> bbl[13:34:47] <lubo76> OSS? Whats this?[13:34:51] <munchausen> stargater too old for what?[13:34:56] <lubo76> not ISS?[13:34:59] <lubo76> :-D[13:45:29] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[13:46:42] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:01:14] <postmen> munchausen: me however prefer easybcd - you could try to boot the floppy.img with it directly and boot beos from a file in a fat32 ... however, easybcd requires a win installation.[14:27:57] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[14:28:25] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:30:25] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[14:36:01] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-kyyxghjvhizcbqrx> has joined #haiku[14:42:26] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[14:54:55] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[15:00:06] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[15:08:49] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:51:06] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has joined #haiku[15:52:10] *** AnonymousCoward_ <AnonymousCoward_!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:52:27] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[16:15:58] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[16:15:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[16:49:26] *** Akuji_ <Akuji_!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:49:47] *** thomasm is now known as tm[16:52:12] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:00:50] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d856268.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:00:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:00:54] *** BeSNES <BeSNES!BeSNES@cm-84.211.164.8.getinternet.no> has joined #haiku[17:01:40] *** BeSNES <BeSNES!BeSNES@cm-84.211.164.8.getinternet.no> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:16:39] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[17:16:40] *** Akuji_ <Akuji_!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:17:13] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:19:41] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/vKA2O[17:19:43] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 1471d87 - exiftool: bump to 10.24 (but keep latest production release, 10.20).[17:36:36] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d856268.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[18:01:49] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[18:07:53] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!b20766f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.7.102.248> has joined #haiku[18:11:47] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:e1e8:55c0:9df5:1fa7:3631> has left #haiku[18:19:19] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[18:28:34] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[18:29:37] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-14-137-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:29:47] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-kyyxghjvhizcbqrx> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[18:31:37] <lubo76> which browser can I use?[18:31:50] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:32:11] <PulkoMandy> lubo76: I use a mix of WebPositive, Qupzilla, and NetSurf[18:32:26] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:34:56] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[18:35:17] <Begasus> evening all[18:41:31] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:42:02] <Vidrep> Hi[18:43:45] <lubo76> puko: I do too, but Bezilla is 8y old bonecho, netsurf does not know java[18:43:45] <Begasus> hi Vidrep[18:44:36] <lubo76> Begasus: how is in Belgium?[18:44:52] <Begasus> atm it's fine, got some sun here ;)[18:45:03] <lubo76> webnegative freezes[18:45:15] <Begasus> although I prefere to stay out of the sun :P[18:45:30] <lubo76> is there hot now?[18:45:48] <Begasus> it can happen, I mostly use Qupzilla (and for some stuff Net+)[18:45:59] <Begasus> let's say it's warm enough ;)[18:46:07] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:47:46] <lubo76> I am going to try qupzilla[18:47:52] <lubo76> thanks[18:48:53] <Begasus> k ... need to set the fullscreen off for tuxtype2 ...[18:50:41] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[18:54:41] <postmen> lubo76: Please, do me a favor, cklick on haiku -> about -> and tell me the version of your os.[18:59:15] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[18:59:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[19:01:45] <lubo76> netsurf does not love fakebook[19:02:18] <lubo76> "about" is running always on this PC[19:02:40] <postmen> lubo76: Are u a trOll!? Stupid or don't u just know any english?[19:02:41] <lubo76> 50452[19:02:45] <postmen> ahh[19:02:59] <postmen> that's up to date.[19:03:08] <lubo76> no, I do not. I would like to have usefull HAIKU[19:03:17] <postmen> so u can choose between bugzilla and webpositive.[19:03:42] <lubo76> I have to kill webpositive after a few minutes.[19:03:56] <postmen> lubo76: why don't you try lubuntu, xubuntu or remix OS?[19:04:57] <postmen> i would recommnd lubuntu. got it on the netbook and all it's hardware is supported right out of the box. get lubuntu![19:04:58] <lubo76> In this PC I have Win ME, had Puppy, but I wanted to try HAIKU. It is P4 with 2 GB RAM and HAIKU is faster than Puppy linux[19:05:38] <postmen> well, i know - but it's buggy. unfortunatley it is. fast up and fast crashed.[19:06:04] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-178-003-219-011.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:06:21] <postmen> on my old netbook lubuntu is almost as fast as haiku and supports the wifi and the umts.[19:06:36] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-178-003-219-011.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:06:43] <lubo76> It is only PC for testing. In main c2q I have W10, but I would like to have HAIKU. It is about feelings. Of course, Puppy is better (more usefull), but I tryed BeOs a few years ago, so I would like to try HAIKU more[19:07:19] <lubo76> I am not searching for "the bes OS on Pentium 4"[19:07:23] <postmen> well, then test it and write tickets every time it crashes[19:08:24] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:08:50] <lubo76> never mind. I have 2 PC, so net radio is in main PC, video player too. But HAIKU has nobody (in Slovakia)[19:09:44] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d856268.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:09:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[19:11:15] <postmen> except comsytec and lukves: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/where_are_you_haiku_os_beos_user?page=1[19:12:01] <Vidrep> Hi Begasus[19:14:40] <PulkoMandy> postmen: mh, recommending people to not use Haiku in this channel is… going to make YOU look like a troll :)[19:16:11] <Begasus> :D[19:16:16] <Begasus> hi humdinger :)[19:16:19] <Begasus> 'lo PulkoMandy :)[19:16:32] <PulkoMandy> hi[19:16:42] <humdinger> hullo.[19:17:08] * PulkoMandy heading for vacations in barcelona - I'll be back next wednesday, don't worry :)[19:17:27] <humdinger> also calling people stupid isn't endearing[19:17:40] <PulkoMandy> and that reminds me I should write the monthly report before leaving[19:17:54] <Begasus> hmm ... vacation .. what's that again? ;)[19:18:05] <Begasus> ps PulkoMandy ... enjoy! ;)[19:18:14] <postmen> well sorry, but it although depends a little on your behaviour.[19:18:29] <humdinger> going somewhere and being overjoyed when ou get finally back home, Begasus. :)[19:18:33] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[19:18:59] <Begasus> long time ago humdinger :)[19:19:23] <humdinger> postmen: sure. but you have to make allowances for non-native English speakers.[19:20:00] <Begasus> ps humdinger ... saw the pr for lgeneral?[19:20:05] <humdinger> In an case. It's always better to remain silent and ignore someone...[19:20:25] <postmen> PulkoMandy: I wondered if you might wonna close https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12749 since i can not understand what was the problem anymore. the booklet actually only works with hrev48309 by now.[19:20:25] <Begasus> ^^[19:20:49] <postmen> humdinger like hitler, erdogan and trump? ;)[19:21:18] <Begasus> O_o[19:21:20] <humdinger> well, if you pull a godwin... :)[19:22:07] <humdinger> Begasus: didn't we find out that lgeneral is !x86_gcc2?[19:22:32] <PulkoMandy> postmen: a comment on the ticket would be nice, so it doesn't look like I'm closing it for no apparent reason[19:22:45] <humdinger> also, wasn't there something going on with sourceforge URLs?[19:22:47] <Begasus> yes, it should be so in the pr (iirc) humdinger :)[19:23:06] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[19:23:07] <humdinger> Begasus: says: ARCHITECTURES="x86_gcc2 x86 ?x86_64"[19:23:08] <Begasus> hmm the latter I don't know ...[19:23:14] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[19:23:38] <humdinger> shouldn't haikuporter complain because it's an unsecure URL?[19:23:46] <Begasus> ow bugger ... missed that one ...[19:23:51] <humdinger> "http" instead of "https"?[19:23:58] <Begasus> well ... it doesn't here?[19:24:32] <humdinger> here neither...[19:25:38] <humdinger> after you fixed the !x86_gcc2, I'd comment that it looks good to me and mention my sf URL confusion.[19:25:44] <humdinger> mayb fbrosson will comment.[19:25:51] <humdinger> he's on top of things[19:26:07] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.146.31.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[19:26:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[19:27:22] <Begasus> ok[19:28:46] <postmen> PulkoMandy: i did[19:29:16] <postmen> PulkoMandy: can i go with the update manager to any haiku version i'd liked to and not only to the once listed in the download section?[19:30:06] <Begasus> updated humdinger[19:30:35] * humdinger comments[19:30:52] <Begasus> thanks :)[19:32:52] <lubo76> Puko: I see. This channel is about HAIKU, not lubuntu[19:34:24] <humdinger> postmen: theoretically, you can update to specific hrevs with pkgman.[19:34:34] <humdinger> you'd have to add those specific repos.[19:34:52] <humdinger> which works easily for haiku itself, see: http://packages.haiku-os.org/haiku/master/x86_gcc2/[19:35:12] <humdinger> but you'd also need the corresponding haikuports repo.[19:35:25] <postmen> ok, thank u[19:35:26] <humdinger> wich looks like this: http://packages.haiku-os.org/haikuports/master/repo/x86_gcc2/[19:35:43] <humdinger> now, what's the right repo for your Haiku hrev...? :)[19:36:27] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:36:33] <postmen> well, i might increment it by one until it crashes.[19:37:26] <postmen> see https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11947 first two line for details humdinger. and 48752 isn't available anymore for quit a while now.[19:37:30] <humdinger> using the nightly anyboots usually is fine grained enough to limit a regression to a small range of hrevs[19:37:42] <postmen> no, not in the past.[19:37:42] <humdinger> ah.[19:38:02] <humdinger> well, there's still the possibility to compile an image yourself.[19:38:11] <humdinger> that let's you pinpoint a revision[19:38:12] <postmen> sure ...[19:43:10] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:e1e8:ec5f:2f65:3626:516f> has joined #haiku[19:44:41] <Begasus> bbl ... first dogs and then food :)[19:44:49] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[19:54:58] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[19:54:58] *** Begas_afk <Begas_afk!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[19:56:07] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[19:56:26] *** lubos76 <lubos76!58d42594@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.37.148> has joined #haiku[20:04:07] <PulkoMandy> monthly report is available: https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/pulkomandy/2016-07-28_haiku_montly_activity_report_july_2016[20:12:11] <humdinger> nice, PulkoMandy![20:12:22] <humdinger> you wanna split after 1st paragraph?[20:13:16] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d412c6.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:15:53] <PulkoMandy> sure, done[20:16:24] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, thanks for the report.[20:17:23] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e369520.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:17:52] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[20:21:09] <FreeFull> PulkoMandy: Odd, the link doesn't work for me[20:21:15] <FreeFull> "Page not found"[20:22:11] <FreeFull> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/pulkomandy/2016-07-28_haiku_monthly_activity_report_july_2016 works though[20:22:36] <FreeFull> PulkoMandy: Oh, right, montly vs monthly must be the reason[20:23:18] <FreeFull> USB 3 support, very nice[20:23:52] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:25:14] <Vidrep> Hi lelldorin[20:25:23] <PulkoMandy> yes, DeadYak fixed typos when putting it online[20:25:31] <FreeFull> I guess that means I should be able to boot Haiku from USB on my new laptop now after updating, assuming drivers are in place[20:25:35] <lelldorin> hello all[20:25:41] <Vidrep> Did you get my second email from this morning?[20:25:49] <FreeFull> Previously it was failing because all ports are USB 3 ports[20:26:24] <PulkoMandy> FreeFull: testing and bugreport updates welcome. it is probably not perfect yet but it should get a little further at least[20:27:15] <postmen> FreeFull, well, that's a pitty. i would like to know two if usb3 boot sticks are now supported.[20:27:23] <FreeFull> Also should be testable in Virtualbox, assuming Virtualbox emulates USB 3 well enough[20:27:28] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, it's tough to make fixes or improvements unless the user community provides feedback[20:27:44] <FreeFull> postmen: The USB stick isn't even USB 3, but things didn't work because the ports are USB 3[20:35:03] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:37:08] <postmen> FreeFull, well, actually i only had to update my old usb stick i guess and then switch ports or notebook.[20:40:54] <PulkoMandy> FreeFull: in virtualbox things did work for some time already, unfortunately there are several implementations of USB3 by different manufacturer (nec, intel, ...) and not all of them behave exactly the same[20:50:49] * Barrett start writing the new UltraDV backend[20:56:05] <mmu_man> :)[20:57:27] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:04:40] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e369520.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[21:05:33] <postmen> hej mmu_man[21:05:36] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:07:11] <postmen> is anybody of you at cisco? netacad.com?[21:08:17] <mmu_man> not me[21:09:16] <postmen> they do offer an ndg linux essentials course for free right now - however, du not know yet how much it's worth.[21:10:20] <postmen> mmu_man, what's fake.haikuports.com supposed to do btw?[21:11:57] <postmen> wow, that course looks promisin'.[21:12:14] <mmu_man> where?[21:12:17] <mmu_man> oh in the script?[21:12:54] <mmu_man> was just a placeholder for some server[21:12:58] <postmen> right. was that ever a real functional address?[21:13:03] <mmu_man> no[21:13:06] <mmu_man> hence the "fake"[21:13:41] <postmen> oh, i see - but i have no idea how you configure or setup a service so it could upload. i mean, i don't want people to upload dash videos on my server ...[21:18:35] <mmu_man> well I never wrote anything serverside[21:21:41] *** lubos76 <lubos76!58d42594@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.212.37.148> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[21:30:36] <postmen> but what was the plan?[21:31:13] <mmu_man> either to use it for bug reports or to make a hw database[21:33:57] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:34:21] <postmen> year, well ... i thought more of the server side.[21:34:36] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[21:36:52] <mmu_man> the problem when reporting bugs or hw is people give vague names or brand names, instead of real PCI IDs or other proper IDs[21:38:36] <postmen> well, i think your script is great - i just wonder how to combine all the infos. and how to add new hardware with the script to a hw db. i'm afraid for the first we days or weeks it would be necessary to do it by hand. check if it's already listed. 1234a or 1234b ...[21:40:01] <PulkoMandy> comparing PCI IDs should be easy[21:40:10] <PulkoMandy> they are just 32 bit numbers[21:40:35] <mmu_man> one thing we miss is that most drivers are old-style drivers that don't tell the bus manager which device they actually use[21:40:42] <mmu_man> so we do'nt know if a driver is loaded for a card[21:43:06] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[21:47:13] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d856268.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[21:51:30] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:53:43] <postmen> oh well[21:59:40] <postmen> PulkoMandy, any suggestions on how to retrieve the data? php?[22:02:37] <munchausen> Is it possible to install haiku in an extended partition? I don't seem to be able to create a logical partition in drivesetup[22:04:16] * mmu_man is cleaning up his Firefox tabs[22:04:25] <postmen> yes, i think it is. but i had problems with drivesetup bevore. i'm afraid it doesn't work under certain circumstances. well, but that was maybe in the vm.[22:04:31] <mmu_man> ^d ^d ...[22:04:33] <munchausen> Ah, I think it's just drivesetup that doesn't allow it[22:04:56] <munchausen> I'll create a befs partition in linux...[22:05:18] <munchausen> mmu_man the pain... I think I have ~300 tabs in 5 windows[22:05:18] <postmen> if u still got windows on the machine, i'd recommaned to prepare everything under windows with mini tools partition ... - or so.[22:05:50] <postmen> people always ask me why i got as many as 30 tabs open! ^^[22:05:52] <munchausen> I don't have windows on any machines... except windows 98 on a very old laptop[22:06:27] <postmen> i[22:06:37] <PulkoMandy> postmen: for server side things in Haiku we'd probably use Python, or perl or ruby I guess. But working from ValeT codebase in whatever language he used should be fine[22:06:46] <PulkoMandy> or php if you prefer that and want to write something[22:07:09] <postmen> i've got almost all of them still installed, 98, xp, vista, win 7, i think even 2k on one machine (out of order).[22:07:40] <PulkoMandy> munchausen: you can install haiku in an extended partition, as long as you have a bootloader that can load it from there[22:07:56] <postmen> well, PulkoMandy, it wouldn't run under haiku as a server service i guess.[22:08:08] <PulkoMandy> no, we don't do that[22:08:24] <PulkoMandy> (we did for a short time to host the webkit port - but it wasn't really a good idea)[22:08:52] <munchausen> Oh crap I just realised the problem... the extended partition doesn't cover all the free space[22:09:39] <PulkoMandy> time to switch to GPT I guess… hope that won't take as much time as IPv6 :)[22:10:22] <munchausen> It's ok, I've only got a swap partition in there so I can delete the extended and make it bigger[22:11:05] <munchausen> I would just use swap files normally, but my machine wont suspend to one due to some obscure bug somewhere[22:15:14] <postmen> munchausen, well, for suspension i think i heared the swap partition must be at least twice the size of the ram or so ...[22:16:17] <postmen> a) for swap and b) additionally the content of the ram is stored there while suspension, that means swap + real ram = swap partition or so.[22:16:54] <munchausen> postmen yeah but you can use a swap file instead (still advisable for twice the RAM total)[22:17:23] <munchausen> It should work for hibernation in linux but doesn't on my system[22:18:18] <postmen> https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Swap/ (try last two links maybe?) - they however say 1GB plus size of ram would be enough.[22:19:18] <mmu_man> munchausen: I'm doing a wc -l, and hitting Enter for each 10 tabs I close[22:19:20] <mmu_man> let's see...[22:20:02] <postmen> munchausen, well, at red hat it says 3 times the ram for the swap file, if ram is 2 gb or even less.[22:20:04] <munchausen> I think they used to advise twice the size of RAM even before linux supported hibernation, I don't know where the figure comes from[22:21:18] <postmen> https://access.redhat.com/knowledge/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Installation_Guide/s2-diskpartrecommend-ppc.html#id4394007 maybe[22:23:04] <postmen> munchausen: linux swap suspension resume seem good keywords[22:23:19] <postmen> https://www.google.de/search?q=linux+swap+suspension[22:27:26] <PulkoMandy> linux does not use the swap at all until the ram is full (and for hibernation)[22:27:45] <PulkoMandy> so, RAM size (for hibernation) + a safety margin so you can hibernate even with some things in swap[22:28:04] <PulkoMandy> but then, it depends on other things, like the way you configure the OOM handler[22:30:14] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!b20766f8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.7.102.248> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:39:15] <munchausen> postmen it's ok. I can live with a swap partition rather than a file. I tried a few workarounds but had no luck, but this is unusual hardware and it works with a swap file, so, meh![22:40:19] <munchausen> And now haiku is working from the extended partition too :)[22:44:53] <munchausen> Can I use the installer to install to a usb drive, and expect it to then boot on another machine?[22:47:20] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:59:38] <postmen> yes.[23:00:33] <postmen> although i normaly add the BootManager to the usb stick afterwards. Another idea is to write the image to the stick. Then create another partition behind the image file.[23:01:13] <postmen> boot from the stick and install from first partition (rescue) to the actual target partition - a trick that somehow doesn't work with ubuntu for me. But Haiku does.[23:03:35] <postmen> it's a problem i already had with beos. You take some things as normal, that won't work with real os other than beos.[23:05:38] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9d35e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:09:07] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.196.143> has joined #haiku[23:11:27] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:13:51] <munchausen> postmen thanks[23:15:44] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:17:14] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:58] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:18:25] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:23:44] <postmen> good night.[23:23:46] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15141B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[23:30:00] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qhqubjxjgxjygmeo> has joined #haiku[23:30:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[23:35:20] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@2.68.146.31.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:36:11] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Quit: “Out of the chaos, they will run and whimper, praying for me to end their tedious anarchy. I am drunk with this vision. God: the title suits Me well.” —SHODAN, System Shock)[23:44:32] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[23:44:54] <lubo76> is somebody here?[23:45:17] <munchausen> hello[23:48:31] <lubo76> Hello Dolly. How to make bootable FD? I would like to have tripple/quadboot, but HAIKU knows only bootldr. Io.sys does not. I have grub4dos, but it does not know HAIKU, so I must to make floppy for booting HAIKU, then I can have Win ME, W7 and also HAIKU[23:49:53] <lubo76> or how to make HAIKU loader to boot HAIKU and win ME?[23:51:04] <munchausen> Dolly?[23:51:23] <munchausen> I'm not familiar with grub4dos[23:51:36] <munchausen> But grub should be able to boot haiku[23:52:35] <munchausen> oh FD is flash drive. I always think of FD as floppy disk![23:54:00] <lubo76> yes, I mean floppy. But I found command root (hd0,9) - I am gonna try[23:54:58] <lubo76> you have complicated name, so u can be Dolly[23:55:23] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:56:59] <munchausen> mmu_man hows the 68k port going?[23:58:10] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[23:59:33] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!~vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:59:39] <mmu_man> need to rebuild gcc again[23:59:40] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[23:59:53] <lubo76> IT IS WORKING