July 27, 2016 
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July 27, 2016 [00:01:49] *** AnonymousCoward_ <AnonymousCoward_!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has joined #haiku[00:04:40] <postmen> right[00:05:28] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:09:01] <postmen> good night.[00:15:38] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B1502F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[00:32:34] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:36:45] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:39:50] *** vezhlys <vezhlys!~vezhlys@188.135.41.74> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:43:52] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[00:44:13] <Vidrep> How are things with you?[00:44:38] *** pseudomind <pseudomind!~mikel@naiwall.numerical.com> has left #haiku[00:45:37] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev50452 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e0a322db92aa+%5Eb267679b51a6[00:45:38] <HAIKU-irker848> e0a322db92aa: netresolv: remove asserts from inet_pton()[00:51:31] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[00:57:27] *** kurain <kurain!~kurain@183.204.131.181> has joined #haiku[01:02:41] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-178-003-219-011.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[01:02:41] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-178-003-219-011.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:03:09] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-178-003-219-011.178.003.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[01:07:24] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:09:12] <mmu_man> btw[01:09:22] <mmu_man> I just wrote Gobe Productive detection for PhotoRec :)[01:09:25] <mmu_man> quite easy[01:12:03] <Vidrep> Earlier we were discussing some issues with pkgman updat[01:12:07] <Vidrep> update[01:12:53] <Vidrep> Now, if I attempt an update from hrev50451 I get this: "upgrade package haiku-r1~alpha4_pm_hrev50451-1 to r1~alpha4_pm_hrev50450-1 from repository Haiku"[01:13:26] <Vidrep> There was some problem with the buildbot[01:13:54] *** Muzer <Muzer!~muzer@cpc72421-sotn15-2-0-cust723.15-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:15:32] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2842 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2842[01:18:51] <mmu_man> aw[01:23:18] <Vidrep> It's working now[01:25:04] <Vidrep> mmu_man, What is the difference between Vision 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 as found in haikuports?[01:25:14] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:31:26] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:391c:c6d7:6cea:5f6e> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:33:59] <Barrett> hi Vidrep[01:35:59] <Vidrep> Hey Barrett[01:36:31] <mmu_man> Vidrep: no idea[01:36:45] <Vidrep> How is the work on UltraDV coming along?[01:36:48] <mmu_man> ask René[01:36:53] <mmu_man> deadyak[01:37:34] <Vidrep> mmu_man, I never see him here. Usually I only chat with him about debugger issues[01:38:40] <Vidrep> Where would I ask? Haikuports?[01:40:02] <Barrett> https://github.com/Barrett17/UltraDV/commit/1c30478d352d4ad48452ad006fdc5fd53ee7e0fc[01:42:15] <mmu_man> 01:42 -NickServ(NickServ at services dot )- Last seen : Jul 26 19:58:36 2016 (3h 43m 25s ago)[01:42:26] <mmu_man> he was around not long ago :)[01:43:30] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[01:46:32] <Vidrep> I've had enough Haikuing for one day...[01:46:55] <Vidrep> Have a good night guys (and gal)[01:48:39] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:49:34] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:51:09] <mmu_man> I should sleep too[02:00:40] <mmu_man> stippi: looks like Icon-O-Matic doesn't like PhotoRec's SVG icon, it doesn't import anything from it :^)[02:02:31] <mmu_man> https://git.cgsecurity.org/cgit/testdisk/tree/icons/scalable/apps/qphotorec.svg[02:32:10] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKdOH[02:32:11] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] mmuman 6155674 - 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Where can I read more about accelerated 3D hardware support?[14:00:08] <qis> Oh, and which virtualization technology would you recommend? Hyper-V, VMWare, VirtualBox?[14:00:19] <munchausen> qis there isn't any accelerated 3D support really (I think it might exist on some very old cards)[14:00:21] <qis> Specifically for haiku usage and development.[14:00:32] <munchausen> It is being slowly developed though[14:00:35] <qis> munchausen: Ok, that's painful.[14:01:13] <munchausen> There was a post about it let me see if I can see it[14:04:00] <qis> munchausen: If you're talking about 3D acceleration - back in 2010.[14:04:13] <qis> munchausen: I couldn't find newer information on that topic before I came here.[14:05:21] <qis> Does haiku work headless? Without a working graphics card, as a server.[14:05:44] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[14:06:17] <qis> Oh, nevermind. I just noticed that haiku does not support modern compilers at all.[14:06:30] <qis> I need at least GCC 6.1 or clang 3.8 for my projects.[14:07:20] <munchausen> Hmm. Not sure I'm sure there was a more recent one where there was a[14:07:29] <munchausen> diagram[14:07:50] <munchausen> qis haiku has gcc 5[14:08:15] <qis> ok, that's a start. So I could build 6.1 with it? In theory.[14:08:32] <munchausen> gcc is updated quite frequently[14:09:00] <qis> Thanks for the info. I'll try it out.[14:09:01] <munchausen> haiku wont run headless though AFAIK. It's too targetted towards desktop computing for that[14:09:25] <munchausen> Though you could probably have a GPU without a monitor attached and just ssh in[14:09:27] <munchausen> No worries[14:09:43] <munchausen> qis make sure to install nightlies[14:09:52] <munchausen> Alpha 4.1 is ancient[14:10:20] <qis> Yeah, the warning messages are difficult to miss. ;)[14:11:22] <munchausen> qis there is clang as well, not sure what version[14:13:48] <munchausen> qis there are haikuports recipes for 3.8 3.8.1 and 3.9 here https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/tree/master/sys-devel/llvm[14:14:54] <munchausen> Not sure if 3.9.0 works (recipe looks untested) but 3.8.1 should[14:16:15] <qis> I am pleased to see that haiku boots well in Hyper-V and that gcc-x86 is version 5.4.0[14:18:12] <qis> *reading the haikuports wiki* sad that people associate this method of software distribution with gentoo instead of freebsd (where gentoo borrowed the concept).[14:18:38] <munchausen> huh yeah well I would associate with all the bsds first before gentoo[14:19:33] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-kbpwtvygrnoibgjl> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[14:19:36] <munchausen> Well anyway looks like you don't need to build it yourself from ports because there's an already built package[14:19:40] <munchausen> of 3.8.1[14:20:07] <munchausen> so just do pkgman install llvm_clang (or llvm_x86_clang if you're on gcc2h)[14:20:49] <qis> munchausen: How can I chose if I'm on this gcc2h thing or not?[14:21:06] <qis> Are you implying that there is a 64-bit version of haiku?[14:21:26] <munchausen> When you download haiku, you choose gcc2 hyprid, gcc2 pure, gcc4 hybrid, gcc4 pure, or x64[14:21:29] <munchausen> Yes[14:21:50] <munchausen> (Note that the "gcc4" and "gcc4h" builds are actually gcc 5 these days[14:22:15] <munchausen> qis the x64 build doesn't have as many packages and there are currently some other issues with e.g. the web browser I believe[14:22:35] <munchausen> It can't run 32-bit binaries yet either[14:23:38] <munchausen> The hybrid installs have gcc 2.95 alongside gcc 5. You choose which one is primary. You can change the current one at the command line using the setarch command[14:24:46] <munchausen> Sorry, I mean what you install decides which is the primary arch, so gcc2h has gcc 2.95 as primary. It's also the most well tested/default setup (due to beos compatibility)[14:25:16] <qis> Hmm, the Hyper-V network adapter is not supported by haiku. At least not out of the box. ifconfig -a shows only the loopback device.[14:25:34] <munchausen> can you change it?[14:25:46] <qis> munchausen: thanks for the x64 clarification. I'll try that one out.\[14:26:18] <qis> munchausen: Long term? Yes. This month I'm too busy.[14:26:24] <munchausen> haiku mostly supports freebsd network drivers from a release or two ago (the compat layer hasn't been updated for a couple of years)[14:26:27] <qis> (@ porting hyper-v network drivers)[14:26:52] <munchausen> qis more I meant can you change the card presented to haiku, rather than write a haiku driver[14:26:53] <qis> oh, ok. Is haiku GNU and (L)GPL free?[14:27:07] <qis> FreeBSD can be if you disable all GNU stuff in make.conf and src.conf. =)[14:27:26] <qis> munchausen: Ah, no. I see no option in the hyper-v manager.[14:27:34] <munchausen> There is a small amount of GPL code I think. But you can build haiku without it, there's a build flag (so nothing essential)[14:27:38] <qis> only acceleration, vlan tagging and protection.[14:27:51] <qis> munchausen: Just like FreeBSD then.[14:28:06] <qis> Since you already use parts of it, are you planning on porting ZFS?[14:28:18] <munchausen> No idea![14:28:26] <qis> That would make the OS very interesting in the eyes of many commercial users.[14:28:55] <munchausen> I think using a different fs to befs as the root fs would be tricky[14:29:42] <munchausen> because befs has some features not present in many other places. But it probably wouldn't be that hard to make a driver otherwise[14:29:52] <qis> I'm a bit sad that x86_64 is "not official"[14:30:11] <munchausen> (I might be talking out of my ass there, but I've never heard of anyone booting haiku on a non-befs root)[14:30:32] <munchausen> Yeah the current aim is to be compatible to BeOS for r1[14:30:36] <munchausen> x64 drops that[14:30:38] <qis> munchausen: Strange, you can select FAT and one other FS during installation.[14:31:00] <qis> Ah, good. I hate compatibility where it's not absolutely necessary.[14:31:50] <munchausen> So it's supported to some extent, but the bugs aren't blockers because the focus is on compatibility until r1 (which isn't far off, hopefully). Then stuff like x64 willtake more of a front seat[14:32:27] <munchausen> qis the partition manager supports them but I'm not sure you could install onto fat/ntfs/ext2 or whatever[14:33:26] <munchausen> Never tried it but I suspect the need for attributes is too deeply ingrained in the OS[14:33:49] <munchausen> in theory you can do it with xattr though[14:35:23] <qis> Ok, x86-64 also lacks hyper-v network drivers. =([14:35:36] <munchausen> Oh yeah, the drivers will be the same[14:35:43] <munchausen> Virtual box works :)[14:36:03] <munchausen> and vmware[14:36:12] <qis> Can't use virtualbox and hyper-v at the same time.[14:36:16] <munchausen> No[14:36:23] <qis> At least not with hardware acceleration for 64-bit guest OSes.[14:36:39] <qis> And I need that for development on linux and freebsd.[14:39:01] <munchausen> According to this page you can set a legacy network adapter https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc770380(v=ws.11).aspx[14:39:08] <munchausen> That will have more chance of working[14:40:45] <munchausen> In fact it (DEC 21140) apparently is supported[14:41:48] <qis> munchausen: Ah, you have to add it as a new device and cannot change the "type" of a virtual NIC. Thanks![14:51:43] <qis> Oh, haiku is a single user OS? There is only one home directory. Is it possible to rename "Desktop" to "desktop"?[14:54:38] <munchausen> Yeah single user for now[14:55:35] <qis> I have no problem with single user. Modern servers use sandboxing and virtualization anyway.[14:55:36] <munchausen> And I wouldn't have thought so. FS is case sensitive, and that folder may be provided by pkgfs (not sure) anyway in which case it would be read only[14:56:07] <qis> It can be changed on Xorg based systems. Just wondered.[14:57:08] <munchausen> Yeah it's read only. probably provided by the haiku package (packages are mounted as fs overlays, sort of)[14:58:25] <munchausen> There are two watched directories containing packages, when the daemon sees something change in there (move in or out a package file) it effectively mounts/unmounts the package[14:59:09] <qis> ok, that's an interesting concept[14:59:54] <munchausen> Consequently, most of the directories are read only, but there is a "non-packaged" directory under /system and /home/config that has the same directory structure as the packaged directories (lib, develop, bin etc) and those directories are also in all the system paths[15:00:39] <qis> do they overwrite or extend the base filesystem?[15:00:57] <munchausen> So if you want to manually add stuff somewhere you can stick them in non-packaged[15:01:36] <munchausen> the packages? Not actually sure... you don't ever really see the base filesystem anymore because everythings packages on top[15:01:36] <qis> was this done for security alone of because of some other reason?[15:01:59] <munchausen> The main reason is its a nice way to install/uninstall packages from a user perspective[15:02:15] <qis> heh, true. But what does happen when there is a conflict?[15:03:17] <qis> e.g. two packages provide the same directory or file.[15:03:17] <munchausen> developers get a ports tree, users get single package files, clean install/uninstall just by moving them around, and unlike e.g. mac os app bundles you can still reliably use shared libs etc[15:03:28] <munchausen> directories it's no problem[15:03:49] <Begasus> if you install a newer version from something that is installed already it will uninstall the older version[15:04:00] <munchausen> Not sure what happens with files. Probably the package service will pop a message up telling you it couldn't activate a package[15:04:18] <qis> Begasus: And what if another package relies on a specific shared library version provided by the upgraded package?[15:04:35] <qis> munchausen: Sounds reasonable.[15:04:57] <Begasus> it that one is available in HD it will install it too, but if it's not you have to install that other one first[15:05:22] <munchausen> HD = haiku depot, the haiku "app store" app[15:05:28] <qis> heh, thanks.[15:05:46] <qis> ok, it will be fun tinkering around with the whole thing.[15:05:48] <Begasus> sorry, used to these abreviations )[15:05:50] <munchausen> (GUI interface to pkgman)[15:06:08] <qis> I see glibc in the gcc sources. Does haku default to it or use something else like musl?[15:06:10] <munchausen> (plus user ratings and stuff)[15:06:29] <munchausen> I think it's got its own libc. Not 100% on that[15:06:42] <munchausen> But it for sure isn't glibc[15:06:48] <Begasus> iirc glibc is bundeld in libroot? (correct me if I'm wrong)[15:07:34] <munchausen> Wikipedia says its forked from glibc?[15:07:58] <munchausen> And yes in libroot. There are noticeable differences though (they removed a bunch of gnu-isms)[15:10:34] <qis> always tood to hear that. the license probably stuck though. XD[15:10:56] <munchausen> glibc license is very permissive though[15:11:25] <munchausen> there's a special GPL exception for it[15:12:24] <munchausen> I don't actually know much about what's changed, I do know that when I was porting something the other day it complained that the semantics of malloc and realloc were different to gnu libc[15:12:54] <munchausen> (in gnu, if you malloc(NULL) you get a valid pointer back, which seems like madness to me)[15:14:17] <qis> I love musl. Small, fast (in most cases) and free.[15:14:51] <qis> Well, nice to have some insights into how haiku works. Thanks to you two.[15:15:33] <Begasus> np[15:18:19] <munchausen> ;)[15:18:32] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:18:49] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:19:24] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[15:29:57] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:30:55] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[15:34:02] <Begasus> k ... let's see if this works, just created my first "patchset" ;)[15:36:58] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:38:44] <Begasus> worked :)[15:39:54] <Begasus> question .... the game doesn't build for gcc2 so when I ran "haikuporter -e atanks" it didn't work, so I did "haikuporter -e atanks_x86" which worked, does that sound right?[15:42:52] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@abfh139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[15:42:52] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@abfh139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:42:52] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[15:43:37] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:44:54] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@abfh139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[15:44:54] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@abfh139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:44:54] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[15:58:01] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-yixgxwjgarbyocbh> has joined #haiku[15:59:15] *** AnonymousCoward_ <AnonymousCoward_!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit 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<humdinger> hi Begasus![16:47:11] <Begasus> did you have a chance to checkout lgeneral yet?[16:49:10] <humdinger> I didn't know I ws supposed to... :) I though we concluded it won't build with gcc2 anymore?[16:51:31] <Begasus> hmm ... not sure about the gcc2 build, but the gcc4* build is working (but just can't build the data to go along with it), or otherwise I would have to grab another data package available on their site (but wouldn't be the original one then)[16:52:06] <Begasus> was looking into a new rc for rocksndiamonds atm (but need to go out in a bit)[16:54:18] <Begasus> bbl[16:54:25] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[16:56:23] <Begas_afk> ah humdinger ... remembered what was causing some* of the problems for gcc2 ... they used "// ..." instead of "/* ... */" to comment on some of the new files/changes, iirc there was only 1 file affected by the '{}' isseu ...[16:57:05] <humdinger> yep. commenting errors... on gcc4 it stops with :[16:57:11] <humdinger> packages/lgeneral_x86-1.3.1-1/.self/data/lgeneral/gfx/flags/pg.bmp: Couldn't open /packages/lgeneral_x86-1.3.1-1/.self/data/lgeneral/gfx/flags/pg.bmp[16:57:23] <Begas_afk> indeed .. same here[16:57:46] <Begas_afk> if you don't add the pg_data it builds and works (but no fun when the data isn't around) ;)[16:58:00] <humdinger> I say...[17:22:52] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:25:02] <humdinger> Begas_afk: Add this before the line " lgc-pg/lgc-pg -s ./pg-data" in Install() and it builds:[17:25:06] <humdinger> mkdir -p \[17:25:06] <humdinger> $dataDir/lgeneral/gfx/flags \[17:25:07] <humdinger> $dataDir/lgeneral/gfx/units \[17:25:07] <humdinger> $dataDir/lgeneral/gfx/terrain[17:25:18] *** Akuji_ <Akuji_!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:26:33] <humdinger> funnily, there end more subfolders in $dataDir/lgeneral in the hpkg like "sounds" and "themes", but those don't trigger an error when building the package...[17:27:32] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:38:42] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[17:43:35] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[17:56:07] *** tm <tm!~sinnlos@360.vmworld.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[18:09:09] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[18:18:44] <PulkoMandy> hi![18:19:11] <PulkoMandy> for the record, munchausen, qis: we are using a fork of an old glibc version, based on the same version BeOS was using[18:19:53] <PulkoMandy> with many patches to make it somewhat up to modern standards, and several parts (including malloc) replaced[18:21:16] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b63f51.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:21:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:31:58] *** pdziepak 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*** HaikuUser is now known as lubo76[18:57:53] <Vidrep> hey humdinger[18:58:36] <lubo76> I can not use pkgman. Why?[19:00:49] <Vidrep> lubo76, have you changed the package-repositories files to current?[19:01:07] <lubo76> how to?[19:01:32] <Vidrep> Go to: /boot/system/settings/package-repositories[19:01:55] <PulkoMandy> first, you need to be running a nightly build of haiku. If you run alpha4, pkgman is not available[19:02:16] <Vidrep> You'll find two files there - "Haiku" and "HaikuPorts"[19:02:18] <lubo76> Thanks. Nightly is ISO?[19:02:42] <Vidrep> Yes, you must use a recent build[19:04:13] <Vidrep> humdinger, did you and ValeT ever discuss the possibility of having his hardware databese work turned over to the project?[19:04:45] <lubo76> in system folder I do not have settings[19:05:54] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b63f51.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[19:06:11] <Vidrep> lubo76, you must use a recent nightly build - alpha4 is too old[19:06:37] <lubo76> I am finding nightly just now....[19:07:33] <lubo76> Probably I have found[19:07:38] <Vidrep> http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/current-anyboot[19:11:40] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I don't understand what you mean "turned over to the project". His work is available under the MIT license, anyone can work on it and run an instance[19:12:01] <PulkoMandy> (including the Haiku project if they had the resources to do so, but we really need more people on the system administration / web side)[19:12:48] <Skipp_OSX> Do you think we could refresh the webpage for the upcoming Beta1 release?[19:13:48] <Skipp_OSX> I know there has been some talk about updating the backend from Augustin[19:14:12] <PulkoMandy> depends what you mean by refresh[19:14:26] <Skipp_OSX> as in a new design[19:14:30] <PulkoMandy> if the goal is making a new page with hd pictures, large fonts, and no actual info, I'd rather not[19:14:35] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[19:14:43] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e3682a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:14:56] <PulkoMandy> (a lot of websites seem to go in that direction these days)[19:15:30] <Skipp_OSX> like this? https://elementary.io/[19:15:31] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-yixgxwjgarbyocbh> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:16:09] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ecjcbaibakrlaexu> has joined #haiku[19:16:20] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, what I meant is that ValeT is hosting that database on his own personal website[19:16:30] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: my personal reference is http://www.introducingcarrot.com/[19:17:00] <PulkoMandy> elementary.io doesn't seem to load at all in Web+ :/[19:17:04] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210.1.213.55> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:17:07] <Lelldorin1> hello all[19:17:10] <Vidrep> ValeT had told me that he wanted to turn over the administration of that site to the project[19:17:13] <Skipp_OSX> PulkoMandy, basically apple.com clone[19:17:33] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: we don't have anyone in "the project" with time for that[19:17:34] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:17:36] <Vidrep> Hi lelldorin[19:18:34] <Vidrep> That's what was to be discussed between humdinger and ValeT[19:19:11] <Vidrep> Anyway, it's out of my hands in any event[19:19:44] <Vidrep> It's up to ValeT what he decides to do with it[19:20:26] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[19:20:37] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151B4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[19:21:27] *** lubo76 <lubo76!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[19:21:40] <PulkoMandy> I'm not sure, it was developped during GCI - but I don't remember the exact terms there for copyright assignment[19:22:01] <PulkoMandy> the problem is rather that no one on haiku side wants to take care of it[19:23:06] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210.1.213.55> has joined #haiku[19:23:44] <Vidrep> The foundation is there for a online hardware database. It would be a shame to waste it[19:24:29] <Skipp_OSX> I still think that the hardware database is misguided, we should be focusing on reference hardware, not trying to support the wide world of choices[19:25:12] <postmen> +1[19:25:21] <Lelldorin1> Skipp_OSX: this is a good thinking, but a list with hardware supported or not supported are good too[19:25:35] <Vidrep> No and yes[19:26:12] <Vidrep> The hardware database would be useful in establishing what hardware is supported[19:26:33] <Vidrep> Trying to support everything is a losing battle[19:27:26] <Vidrep> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/[19:27:44] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: let's fight on which device to support then :>[19:28:03] <Vidrep> Why not something like a Haiku certified hardware database, similar to Ubuntu?[19:28:06] <PulkoMandy> really, what's going to happen is, people who know how to write drivers will write drivers for the devices they own[19:28:20] <postmen> +1, as well ;)[19:28:24] <PulkoMandy> so your best bet is ask one of those guys what computer they use, and buy the same[19:28:37] <PulkoMandy> otherwise, we're only going to support virtualbox as the "reference hardware"[19:28:41] <Lelldorin1> PulkoMandy: will be fine to get a app who make a driver by himself after testing ;)[19:29:19] <Lelldorin1> are gfx drivers so much diferent?[19:29:32] *** Akuji_ <Akuji_!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:31:43] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[19:31:55] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: they are not really different, they just tend to be quite complex these days[19:32:01] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:32:14] <postmen> PulkoMandy, but haiku os inc. could maybe make it's shere (how u spell it?) by linkin' to $this notebook used by $famousDeveloper available at $store, amazon(marketplace) or $google[19:32:16] <PulkoMandy> even if we just want to set a video mode, modern video cards embed several small CPUs and lots of other things[19:32:22] <Lelldorin1> PulkoMandy: and for vesa drivers?[19:32:38] <PulkoMandy> VESA driver did not change for years, we can't make it better than it is[19:33:28] <PulkoMandy> postmen: haiku, inc does not want to get involved in such things[19:33:35] <Lelldorin1> is it possible to use linux drivers? port them to haiku? or windows drivers? i hear somethere that this are part of freebsd? iicr[19:33:55] <PulkoMandy> unless the hardware manufacturer offers to hire a developer to make their hardware 100% supported, maybe[19:34:15] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: Linux drivers are under the GPL and usually rather hacky and not very readable[19:34:27] *** Begas_afk is now known as Begasus[19:34:30] <Begasus> re[19:34:32] <PulkoMandy> this is why we decided to use frivers from FreeBSD, in particular, network drivers[19:34:34] <Lelldorin1> hi Begasus[19:34:38] <Begasus> hi Lelldorin1[19:34:44] <PulkoMandy> most of our network drivers are ported from FreeBSD these days[19:35:11] <Lelldorin1> cool[19:36:00] <Skipp_OSX> basically we'd need someone to write drivers for a specific computer...[19:36:19] <postmen> Skipp_OSX: which one?[19:36:31] <Skipp_OSX> postmen, good question[19:36:59] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_OSX: as I said, it's simpler the other way around. Just ask people what they use and wether it works and try to pick the same model[19:37:24] <PulkoMandy> my personal experience: Thinkpad X200 and Dell Vostro V131, are both working well[19:37:44] <PulkoMandy> and I can dig out the full specs for my desktop machine as well[19:37:47] <postmen> PulkoMandy, that idea isn't bad, but most of the guys don't post here. Now, what u think how they react if i pm them?[19:37:53] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, what better place to ask that question than a hardware database?[19:38:09] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: exactly[19:38:22] <Begasus> this one (hp pavilion G7) works pretty fine also (laptop)[19:38:38] <Lelldorin1> but then the haiku main coders does not support it, who should use the data for deveoping[19:38:56] <Lelldorin1> Begasus: do you have add it to BeSly SAT?[19:39:01] <Begasus> aside from mesa and no wifi .. but that's no dealbreaker[19:39:08] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: why this insistance on the same handful of developers doing *everything* related to Haiku?[19:39:15] <postmen> haha - sorry, but no wifi these days?[19:39:23] <Begasus> no Lelldorin1 ... haven't looked at it yet[19:39:28] <PulkoMandy> the developers will also use the database to lookup hw support[19:39:35] <Vidrep> https://access.redhat.com/ecosystem/#certifiedHardware[19:39:47] <PulkoMandy> either to buy something that work, or to get access to something that doesn't work then try to fix it[19:39:51] <Vidrep> Here's the RedHat hardware database[19:40:48] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I think manufacturer are paying for that certification to get into the list[19:41:08] <postmen> well, Vidrep, certified sounds like its approved by haiku os inc. What PulkoMandy recommanded sounded to me more like peer to peer recommandation.[19:41:28] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:42:02] <Vidrep> It doesn't have to be exactly the same. The point being is that they have a hardware database where you can research whether you hardware is supported before buying[19:42:12] <PulkoMandy> I don't think Haiku inc wants to be involved in such things anyway. The way it was set, Haiku, inc manages donations and tries to have as little influence as possible on development and technical decisions[19:42:27] <PulkoMandy> they just fund the infrastructure and sometimes the developers[19:42:55] <Begasus> don't know if there was a BeOS database ... but I remember at one point there was one for ZETA ...[19:43:11] <PulkoMandy> Begasus: haikuware was hosting one[19:43:46] <Vidrep> http://www.tycomsystems.com/beos/x86_ready.html[19:43:50] <Begasus> bugger ... but then again ... I wasn't a big fan of ... :)[19:44:03] <PulkoMandy> anyway, we can probably arrange something to host the hw database, maybe on haiku-files.org or on our main server. It just needs someone willing to take care of it[19:44:18] <PulkoMandy> and that doesn't need to be someone who had git commit access for the last 10+ years[19:44:19] <Lelldorin1> i remember a laptop database in the past for beos[19:44:39] <PulkoMandy> I can help with getting it online on haiku-files (not on main haiku-os as I don't have access there for the web paerts)[19:44:57] <PulkoMandy> but I don't want to be in charge of making sure it's still online, that there are not spam submissions, etc[19:45:08] <PulkoMandy> and that it doesn't go wild and crash the server or whatever[19:45:39] <Begasus> I can relate to that PulkoMandy ... not an easy task[19:48:28] <postmen> well, PulkoMandy, i don't want haiku inc. to do that for us, but i wonder how to motivate users or developers to play along and submit their hardware to a hardware db. fake.haiku-os.org (as in mmu_man's script) is down. - And, if there would be a link to a notebook you recommand, we maybe could support haik by buyin' our next nb.[19:48:43] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:49:09] <postmen> sorry, fake.haikuware.com[19:50:33] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:51:00] <PulkoMandy> I think mmu_man just made up that link when writing the script :)[19:51:38] <PulkoMandy> as for the laptop, I bought mine from http://www.pc-micro-occasion.com/PBSCCatalog.asp?CatID=470033 (France, not sure they ship elsewhere)[19:51:42] <Lelldorin1> the problem is to find some one to do that. one with expierience in haiku, some one who is long time with haiku, not newbe who close his site past 2 months and much more[19:52:17] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: this is why it would make sense to host it on Haiku's server, easier to pass it on to someone else[19:52:18] <Vidrep> If that script could be linked to an actual database that would be a good first step[19:52:21] <PulkoMandy> people come and go anyway[19:52:55] <PulkoMandy> otherwise I think ValeT's DB was hosted on heroku at some point? that's free and probably enough for starting with[19:54:11] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[19:54:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:54:34] <postmen> hi Barrett.[19:55:54] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e3682a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[19:56:15] <Vidrep> Right now we have three partially working hardware gathering/database solutions: ValeT's website, mmu_man's script, and lelldorin's BeSlySAT[19:56:28] <Barrett> hola[19:57:03] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: right. It can't be that hard to glue them together?[19:57:31] <PulkoMandy> is valet's website still online somewhere? I never can find the link to it[19:57:38] <Vidrep> Yes[19:57:39] <PulkoMandy> and is the source somewhere? I guess on his github?[19:57:56] <postmen> is it that one? https://dry-bastion-46138.herokuapp.com/[19:58:09] <postmen> https://github.com/DarkmatterVale/Haiku-Configuration-Repo/[19:58:10] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has joined #haiku[19:58:13] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 12 commits to master [+0/-6/±10] https://git.io/vKbT2[19:58:15] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli e93bfcb - aalib: missing secondaryArchSuffix.[19:58:16] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli f227cfd - burnitnow: missing secondaryArchSuffix.[19:58:18] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 7c2a537 - butterfly: remove SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES.[19:58:19] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] ... and 9 more commits.[19:58:29] *** pdziepak <pdziepak!~pdziepak@149.18.174.187> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:58:52] <PulkoMandy> yes[19:59:03] <PulkoMandy> so, the app is online, the source is there with instructions on how to deploy[19:59:20] <PulkoMandy> just add a way to include data from mmu_man script and we're all set[20:01:08] <postmen> well, the app doesn't work, don't know if the db is down or if the source code sucks, but u actually can't add anythin', what is _very_ anyoin', since i noti[20:01:20] <Vidrep> Could BeSlySAT be used as a front end to the script, since not everybody is a CLI junkie?[20:01:20] <postmen> ced that at the very end of my submission process.[20:02:06] <postmen> well, i'm affraid the person to ask, lelldorin just left.[20:02:23] <Vidrep> He'll be back and read this[20:03:32] <postmen> ok, i'll be back as well[20:04:24] <Vidrep> Example: BeSlySAT populates hardware fields by inporting data from the script. User manually fills in any missing info, export data to database[20:06:52] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3682a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:07:04] <Begasus> there he is :)[20:09:31] <lelldorin> re[20:09:50] <Begasus> PulkoMandy ... I was looking into a new rc for rocksndiamonds today ... I got as far as implimenting your patch up to the point for the settings directory .. seems like they changed the main.c file for that ...[20:10:06] <PulkoMandy> ah, nice to see an update there :)[20:10:24] <PulkoMandy> it was a long time ago, let's see if I remember right[20:10:44] <PulkoMandy> they had the loading of the settings buried in some function and I had to pass the argv[0] all the way down there, right?[20:11:05] <Begasus> there have been some updates, recent one is from 23-06[20:11:24] <Begasus> right[20:11:53] <PulkoMandy> ok, and I think I'll need to download the source archive to see the main file[20:11:59] <Begasus> been looking into the main.c file ... but the reference doesn't fit anymore ;)[20:12:30] <Begasus> ps ... it's still a RC ;)[20:13:10] <Begasus> it's running and most of the stuff is already created in ~/home ... just some files are not yet I think[20:13:26] <Begasus> rocksndiamonds: warning: cannot create main score directory './scores': Read-only file system[20:16:41] <humdinger> hullo Begasus. seen my findings wrt lgeneral?[20:17:08] <Begasus> no humdinger ... here on IRC?[20:17:20] <humdinger> yes.[20:17:30] <Begasus> sec ... scrolling back :)[20:17:45] <humdinger> [17:24][20:18:23] <Begasus> oh cool! will check in a minute (after the dogs) ;)[20:18:32] <humdinger> woof[20:18:36] <Begasus> well .. :P[20:18:46] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[20:18:50] <Begasus> they are still in the kennels atm ... so checking ...[20:19:14] <humdinger> going from userland to kernel...[20:19:20] <humdinger> badaboom[20:20:14] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@37.250.238.160.bredband.tre.se> has joined #haiku[20:20:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[20:20:31] <Begasus> ;)[20:22:30] <Begasus> I'll bring all 9 of them over to you humdinger ... then I can get some more time maybe ;) (but then again ... you would be lacking time) ;)[20:23:23] <humdinger> 9 hot dogs are over my capacity...[20:24:30] <lelldorin> Begasus: come with the dogs to begeistert, every one take one to go some times gassi ;-)[20:24:50] <Vidrep> lelldorin, BeSlySAT not working for me here[20:25:01] <Begasus> only a few of them are 'hot' atm humdinger :P[20:25:01] <lelldorin> german gassi gehen = around a block[20:25:18] <Vidrep> Missing symbol: draw label...[20:25:40] <Begasus> lol lelldorin .. walking a Husky isn't accactly going around the block ... more like being dragged around the block ;)[20:26:10] <Begasus> whoot!! it works humdinger! (y)[20:26:23] <Begasus> pg_data converted :)[20:26:32] <humdinger> \o/[20:27:02] <humdinger> I only tried it for a second, but changing resolution doesn't enlarge the playing field, it seems.[20:27:18] <Begasus> k ... next one ... any reason why --disable-nls was invoked?[20:27:19] <humdinger> the window gets bigger, with a bigger black frame...[20:27:37] <humdinger> who or what is an "nls"?[20:27:47] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:27:54] <Begasus> libintl/gettext[20:28:13] <Begasus> eg .. locale (system) language[20:28:35] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[20:29:27] <Begasus> cleaning and checking ..[20:32:31] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:35:07] <Begasus> ok ... remember this one as I've checked it before when enable-nls .... "POLICY ERROR: Invalid top-level package entry "share""[20:35:55] <Begasus> bbl[20:36:02] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[20:37:04] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:44:51] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-14-137-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:50:56] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[20:51:59] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-078-043-041-038.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[20:52:10] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys![20:52:28] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: I got my midi keyboard (TE OP-1)[20:52:34] <miqlas-H> I tested it with Haiku.[20:52:56] <miqlas-H> in the midi player window i was able to select it as input and i t works.[20:53:21] <miqlas-H> But i had no chance with any midi sequencer (Mev, Q, Sequitor needs rebuild btw)[21:01:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vKbG2[21:01:32] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli eeec20c - flex: bump version.[21:04:01] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: you can use it with synthetizers like BeSting, and you can use PatchBay to connect MIDI things together[21:04:16] <PulkoMandy> (except for Sequitur IIRC, which has its own routing window)[21:04:45] <PulkoMandy> you can also connect it to SynC Modular, which can be quite fun with the OP-1 I think, if you take time to configure things properly[21:11:48] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d856f8f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[21:16:47] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:18:08] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:20:28] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3682a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[21:22:03] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: nope.doesn't works[21:22:25] <miqlas-H> i see it in patchbay, i hear if i select it as live input in midiplayer, but nothing else.[21:23:37] <miqlas-H> tested with mev, q, sequitor (BeOS version, as the Haiku version from depot missing symbols), Sync modular[21:24:00] <miqlas-H> i can select it in some programs, but i'm not sure, if it is midi input or output.[21:24:15] <miqlas-H> Maybe the programs tryingto use it as midi output.[21:24:41] <miqlas-H> but however i can't hear anything, nad if i press the buttons, nothing happens[21:24:54] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: korli * hrev50453 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1646f49791b3+%5Ee0a322db92aa[21:24:55] <HAIKU-irker848> 1646f49791b3: Update freetype, harfbuzz, libwebp and python packages.[21:25:47] <miqlas-H> so i have no idea.[21:25:59] <miqlas-H> maybe we can check it on the nex BG?[21:34:00] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:37:03] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: yes, definitely[21:37:19] <PulkoMandy> remind me a week before and I can bring some of my MIDI gear too (and a laptop with working soundcard)[21:37:34] <PulkoMandy> in patchbay, the MIDI inputs are on the left, outputs on the top IIRC[21:37:44] <PulkoMandy> so you can easily see which way it is wired[21:37:50] <PulkoMandy> we should maybe make this more obvious[21:38:36] <miqlas-H> yes, obviously[21:38:41] <miqlas-H> but i need to to sleep[21:38:45] <miqlas-H> have a nice night[21:38:46] <miqlas-H> bye[21:38:59] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-078-043-041-038.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:39:28] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[21:43:06] *** seadog007 <seadog007!uid63898@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqsgpiszmkujqzya> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:43:47] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[21:47:33] <munchausen> Can anyone tell me if the work on BeFS resizing got put into trunk?[21:47:55] <munchausen> Also, does it work on BeOS BeFS partitions?[21:48:16] <munchausen> Also also, is there a manual somewhere? :)[21:48:55] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: korli * hrev50454 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8a12a74e81e7+%5E1646f49791b3[21:48:56] <HAIKU-irker848> 8a12a74e81e7: XHCI: fix KDL for transfers using more than 1TD.[21:57:14] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+3/-3/±0] https://git.io/vKb4b[21:57:15] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 5984183 - libmatroska: bump version.[21:57:17] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 700641b - libtasn1: bump version.[22:03:53] <mmu_man> munchausen: not AFAIK[22:04:25] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has joined #haiku[22:05:48] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[22:06:13] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:06:39] *** arroyoc <arroyoc!~Thunderbi@46.136.225.153> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:06:46] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b63f51.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:06:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:09:28] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[22:21:09] *** Begas_afk is now known as Begasus[22:31:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@nat-88-212-37-148.antik.sk> has joined #haiku[22:32:16] <HaikuUser> why can not I change nick now? In old HAIKU I could[22:32:40] <Skipp_OSX> HaikuUser, /nick new nick[22:32:59] *** HaikuUser is now known as lubo76[22:33:45] <lubo76> Thanks, but an hour ago it was OK (command). Hust now again.[22:35:01] <lubo76> how to make screen?[22:35:45] <Skipp_OSX> uhh[22:35:52] <Skipp_OSX> what?[22:36:47] <lubo76> screenshot[22:38:49] <Begasus> [22:21] *** Trying new nick Begasus.[22:38:54] <Begasus> working here ...[22:39:55] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x55b63f51.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[22:40:39] <PulkoMandy> the print screen key takes a screenshot[22:40:48] <PulkoMandy> or you can run "screenshot" from terminal[22:41:41] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:47:00] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:47:44] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:ce1:4909:aca4:699> has joined #haiku[22:47:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[22:48:07] <lubo76> thanks[22:50:10] <DHowett> then you'll have a terminal in your screenshot that says screenshot ;)[23:01:41] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:03:53] <lubo76> howet: of course not[23:04:30] <lubo76> aha. 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