July 26, 2016 
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July 26, 2016 [00:01:13] <postmen> i would love to go for that bug but i can't find my usb cabel.[00:02:16] <jessicah> the bug applies to network printers, not locally attached[00:02:51] <postmen> oh, good to know.[00:03:50] <postmen> now i cleaned it all up for nothin'.[00:04:08] <waddlesplash> guinea pigs stand by[00:04:14] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50451 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b267679b51a6+%5E7f6136828c3f[00:04:15] <HAIKU-irker848> b267679b51a6: XHCI: Remove the whitelist and enable by default for all controllers.[00:04:46] <waddlesplash> so. who's going to be the first? :)[00:08:32] <postmen> what?[00:09:28] <jessicah> he enabled the usb3 driver[00:09:47] <postmen> uhh[00:19:26] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[00:19:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[00:20:42] <Vidrep> jessicah, yes my printer is networked.[00:22:13] <jessicah> well if it works using a hostname for the printer, then I guess can close[00:22:52] <Vidrep> I tried to replicate your problem, but everything worked as it should.[00:23:37] <jessicah> if you used an ip address instead of a hostname, then it's not the same[00:23:52] <Vidrep> I have tried both - no problem[00:24:03] <jessicah> then sure, close the ticket[00:29:19] <Vidrep> I removed and added the printer again, just to be sure. The test page prints to hostname. It works.[00:30:32] <Vidrep> I don't have permission to close tickets.[00:32:41] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2841 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/2841 blamelist: Augustin Cavalier <waddlesplash at gmail dot com>[00:33:00] <waddlesplash> "...failed Link /home/builder/builds/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/generated/objects/linux/x86_64/release/tools/gensyscalls/gensyscallinfos_x86_gcc2 ..."[00:33:02] <waddlesplash> !notme[00:36:14] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:36:57] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-035-034.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:37:54] <mmu_man> possibly last buildtools commit[00:45:13] <Vidrep> jessicah, I also left a comment on another of your open tickets : https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11049#comment:9[00:46:05] <Vidrep> Has this issue manifested itself anytime in the past 9 months?[00:46:33] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B1512BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:51:55] <jessicah> I'd have to test it again[00:52:08] <jessicah> that was on my media PC iirc[00:57:11] <Vidrep> I found a bunch of duplicate tickets and open tickets which I know to have been resolved. Somebody needs to review...[00:58:38] <Vidrep> Since I don't have the necessary permissions (nor should I), one of the devs needs to go through them and close those which are not valid anymore[00:59:35] <Vidrep> I hope I didn't waste 6 hours of my day for nothing[01:10:21] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-247-019.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[01:10:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[01:11:56] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-247-019.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:16:58] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[01:17:03] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:28:23] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[01:30:17] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:38:40] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:52:26] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[02:13:10] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@186.22.121.223> has joined #haiku[02:13:13] *** HaikuUser is now known as _Dario_[02:35:54] <waddlesplash> Some days I just sit here and wonder about how weird my nickname is[02:35:58] <waddlesplash> Today is one of those days[02:37:05] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/vKQct[02:37:07] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 374f646 - asciidoc: bump to 8.6.9. (#701)[02:40:55] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!vision@186.22.121.223> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:46:31] * IIsi50MHz pat-pats waddlesplash[02:46:49] <IIsi50MHz> It's fine. Distinctive, like.[02:48:56] * IIsi50MHz dusts bits of lambda-the-ultimate off his shoulders[02:49:29] <IIsi50MHz> Slashdot for computer language design arguments.[02:49:34] <waddlesplash> LOL[02:49:43] <IIsi50MHz> Generally more civil. (:[02:49:51] <waddlesplash> Oh, no, I don't dislike it. It's just weird is all.[02:49:54] <waddlesplash> I'm quite fond of it.[02:51:02] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-1/±1] https://git.io/vKQch[02:51:04] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 73360c5 - gnutls: bump to 3.4.14 + 3.5.2, drop lib*.la, add TEST(). (#628)[02:51:16] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a03e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[02:51:37] <IIsi50MHz> Well, I've almost completely run out of people who recognise the Macintosh IIsi reference, and especially those who remember it shipped at 20 MHz[03:01:07] *** AnonymousCoward <AnonymousCoward!~Anonymous@212-129-33-61.freevpn.me> has joined #haiku[03:22:20] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[03:55:21] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:17:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@186.23.60.104> has joined #haiku[04:17:42] *** HaikuUser is now known as _Dario_[04:18:09] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!vision@186.23.60.104> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:18:22] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@186.23.60.104> has joined #haiku[04:19:18] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@186.23.60.104> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:20:53] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!vision@186.23.60.104> has joined #haiku[04:20:53] *** HaikuUser is now known as _Dario_[04:23:41] *** mta <mta!~mta@52.10.131.237> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[04:40:03] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[04:40:04] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:44:32] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, do you have a minute?[05:02:09] *** kurain <kurain!~kurain@183.204.131.181> has joined #haiku[05:03:13] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!vision@186.23.60.104> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[05:09:27] <kurain> hello all, I am back[05:20:12] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[05:20:18] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:20:33] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[05:24:03] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:33:39] <IIsi50MHz> Where ya been, kurain?[05:34:17] <kurain> China[05:35:04] <IIsi50MHz> Incidentally, "Kurain" seems like a country. One of those very old, richly cultured places poorly understood by the rest of the world.[05:35:54] <IIsi50MHz> How'd it go?[05:36:18] <kurain> I mean it's a long time since I last enter this group[05:36:46] <kurain> hmmm, as a language manager, it's off duty[05:36:52] <kurain> for me[05:37:17] <IIsi50MHz> Natural, or computer?[05:39:55] <IIsi50MHz> Or conlang?[05:40:29] <kurain> localization[05:41:52] <IIsi50MHz> Ah[05:43:00] <IIsi50MHz> I begin to think that if I am active in here, I should study more French and German.[05:43:32] <kurain> :)[05:43:37] <kurain> WOW[05:46:19] <IIsi50MHz> Chinese, I can only exchange a basic greeting, or say "thank you" and "you're welcome".[05:46:39] <IIsi50MHz> Oh, and "white ghost" X-D[05:47:53] <IIsi50MHz> gn[05:56:49] <kurain> "white ghost", what's the meaning[06:00:58] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 5 commits to master [+9/-9/±1] https://git.io/vKQ2z[06:00:59] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli f98ea83 - findutils: provides cmd:oldfind.[06:01:01] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli f789b19 - libwebp: bump version.[06:01:02] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 5fd08db - harfbuzz: bump version.[06:01:04] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] ... and 2 more commits.[06:15:59] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[06:26:55] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sylwrgsffjtethci> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[06:33:54] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[06:38:09] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:46:23] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[06:50:56] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-166-29-150.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:51:07] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-158-78-63.compute-1.amazonaws.com> 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has joined #haiku[17:45:36] <Vidrep> Is there a problem with pkgman updates?[17:48:11] <Vidrep> The current nightly image is hrev50451. However, I am unable to update. Yes, my package-repositories are set to "current"[17:49:36] <Vidrep> Oh, by the way "Good morning!"[17:50:50] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[17:56:49] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[18:03:19] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:04:23] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:07:29] *** stippi__ <stippi__!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:07:29] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:07:31] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:07:47] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:07:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:07:55] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[18:17:53] *** PasNox_ <PasNox_!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:c89b:fba4:b1:533> has joined #haiku[18:19:01] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[18:19:07] *** farcas82 <farcas82!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[18:20:03] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:20:36] *** stippi__ <stippi__!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:24:41] *** bb010g <bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-trpztinpbzmkwrrl> has joined #haiku[19:03:46] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:05:07] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:391c:c6d7:6cea:5f6e> has joined #haiku[19:05:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[19:14:30] <PulkoMandy> hi![19:14:53] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: what is 'unable to update'? does it say 'nothing to do'? did you try a pkgman full-sync instead of the regular update?[19:15:23] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e3693c1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:20:24] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[19:28:07] *** PasNox_ <PasNox_!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:c89b:fba4:b1:533> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving - Cross platform IDE http://monkeystudio.org)[19:31:19] *** kurain <kurain!~kurain@183.204.131.181> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:34:58] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[19:41:03] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d447ef.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:41:13] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:43:39] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-saphbwcstncbnbvy> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:45:11] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-kbpwtvygrnoibgjl> has joined #haiku[19:54:25] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:59:13] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:59:33] <stargater> PulkoMandy: hi[20:01:11] <stargater> hi, are any doc of the state of PM and how hpkg can build, i found on haiku track only old doc from 2013.[20:04:13] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:08:31] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:17:28] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[20:17:31] *** farcas82 <farcas82!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:21:38] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:23:30] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:25:51] <Vidrep> Hi PulkoMandy[20:26:12] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:26:23] <Vidrep> I tried both pkgman update and pkgman full-sync. Neither worked[20:26:32] <PulkoMandy> what happens?[20:26:37] <Vidrep> All I got was a "nothing to do"[20:27:29] <Vidrep> In fact I did not see your response because it seems Vision disconnected me, without any notification[20:28:21] <Vidrep> I burned a copy of hrev50451 to Cd and did a fresh install[20:29:44] <Vidrep> Correction, haikudepot updates were available on pkgman full-sync, but not the main haiku repository[20:31:02] <PulkoMandy> ok, in that case maybe you can try to force installation of a newer version and see if it tells you what the problem is[20:32:34] <Vidrep> Well, like I said, now I'm using hrev50451on a fresh install[20:33:11] <Vidrep> Next time there are new commits, I can try it again[20:33:50] <PulkoMandy> "pkgman update haiku"[20:34:00] <PulkoMandy> to update just the haiku package (and required dependencies)[20:35:54] <Vidrep> I didn't realize I was disconnected from IRC until I looked at the IRC logs and saw a bunch of dialog[20:36:42] <Vidrep> Vision needs some kind of notification[20:38:51] <Vidrep> If need be, I could install an older build and try updating again[20:39:11] <Vidrep> What do you think?[20:41:35] <Vidrep> I'll do it anyway. Haiku is only a 5 minute install[20:41:44] <Vidrep> bbl[20:41:47] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:46:58] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[20:47:09] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy?[20:47:21] <PulkoMandy> yes[20:47:22] *** vezhlys <vezhlys!~vezhlys@188.135.41.14> has joined #haiku[20:47:35] <PulkoMandy> for Vision, you can enable "lag checking" in the server settings[20:47:47] <Vidrep> I installed hrev50418, and did a pkgman update. There is a problem[20:47:56] <PulkoMandy> it will then say "CONNECTION PROBLEM" in the status bar if it can't ping the server[20:48:25] <Vidrep> The latest update is hrev50450. hrev50451 is not available[20:48:37] <stargater> Vidrep: https://echelog.com/logs/browse/haiku/1469484000[20:48:43] <stargater> online log can help[20:50:23] *** vezhlys <vezhlys!~vezhlys@188.135.41.14> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:50:41] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: maybe it was not built yet?[20:51:07] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy and stargater, thanks for those tips. I'll enable lag checking when I reinstall hrev50451[20:51:12] <PulkoMandy> http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/grid[20:51:24] <PulkoMandy> yes, you can see the 3 bots doing the repositories at the bottom here[20:51:24] <Vidrep> It's built now, and is in the haiku nightly's[20:51:37] <PulkoMandy> the nightlys are a different job[20:52:46] <PulkoMandy> mh seems the repo build failed actually[20:53:34] <PulkoMandy> well, no packages for that revision then[20:55:40] *** vezhlys <vezhlys!~vezhlys@188.135.41.74> has joined #haiku[20:55:50] <Vidrep> So, now that you're aware of the issue, does that mean I can do a fresh install, or do you need me to try anything else?[20:56:46] <Vidrep> something else[20:56:51] <PulkoMandy> well, not much to try since the packages for 50451 aren't available at all, so you can install it from nighlies or just wait for the next commit and packages for hrev50452 to become available[20:57:08] <PulkoMandy> but I guess you want to test our new USB3 support? :)[20:57:10] <Vidrep> Okey dokey :)[20:57:59] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:02:12] <stargater> we need an alpha5[21:02:49] <stargater> and all common hpks can update to the alpha5[21:03:06] <PulkoMandy> I'm working on setting up the package repo for beta1[21:03:38] <PulkoMandy> it's unfortunately a bit more work than I expected but I'll get through it eventually[21:04:16] <stargater> x86, x86_64 multilib with gcc6[21:04:37] <PulkoMandy> (recipes not using "safe sources", not building because of gcc updates, or broken dependency version declarations for the most part)[21:04:48] <PulkoMandy> (and some user errors like typos in patchset names)[21:04:59] <PulkoMandy> multilib does not come for free[21:05:17] <PulkoMandy> if you know someone interested in writing support for it… we're interested[21:05:29] <stargater> then x86_64 + gcc6.x.x[21:06:33] <PulkoMandy> that will break more recipes than gcc5 already did[21:06:37] <PulkoMandy> so more work for me (yay)[21:07:20] <stargater> why break this on recieps layer?[21:07:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[21:08:31] <stargater> gcc6 , i thin its upway compatible, also when we have a gcc5 compilet app then compile it with newer gcc version too[21:08:46] <PulkoMandy> no, not always[21:09:04] <PulkoMandy> they introduce new warnings, so if an app compiles with -Werror, it will not work anymore[21:09:16] <stargater> and it is question how c and c++ iso standard we used[21:09:25] <PulkoMandy> or even worse, they catch errors they didn't before, especially in complex C++ template soup like boost[21:09:50] <PulkoMandy> even in Haiku code we always need to do some fixes before we can migrate to a new gcc[21:09:53] <stargater> thats bad (boost)[21:10:00] <PulkoMandy> we haven't reviewed all the patches from mt for gcc6 yet[21:11:08] <Vidrep> None of the major updates ever come easy[21:12:12] <stargater> the best way is a pure haiku core system with no apps and so, so can we build a pre release, then can the package porter/maintainer fix the app and extra software how is hosted in the repro[21:13:43] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-244-105.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[21:13:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:14:13] <PulkoMandy> yes, but stripping Haiku of the extra dependencies is also a lot of work[21:14:35] <PulkoMandy> currently I'm messing with libjpeg and libwebp, Haiku depends on both because we ship the translators for those[21:15:23] <Vidrep> After going through all those open tickets yesterday, i got a lot of responses like "sorry, I no longer have that XXXX anymore"[21:16:13] <PulkoMandy> for hardware? we usually close those. No need for us to support old broken hardware that is in the trash already :)[21:16:39] <Vidrep> What do we do in those kinds of cases (where the equiment is no longer in the possession of the reporter)[21:17:33] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e3693c1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:19:03] <Vidrep> I created a pair of new tickets for the printer dialogs. I'm sure in at least one instance it has been the source of "my printer won't work" reports[21:19:18] <stargater> the question is, what is haiku on the os level, also boot, kernel, libs, server&kits, bebook, some txt developer docs, man pages, prefernces app, deskbar, traker, hvif icons, pm, laucher, demo apps[21:20:16] <postmen> I've got two topics as well. :)[21:20:23] <PulkoMandy> stargater: I think it should be all of this, a complete user experience. Otherwise we could just build a distro from random pieces like they do in the linux world[21:20:40] <postmen> a) why isn't git shipped with haiku? it is with tails i guess, and that for a good reason.[21:21:03] <postmen> b) where are the tutorials / documentations of your guys work PulkoMandy?[21:21:12] <PulkoMandy> postmen: git will be on the beta image as it was in the alphas[21:21:33] <PulkoMandy> for the nightlies we go with a smaller image so it is a lighter download and quicker install for testing[21:21:35] <postmen> and finaly c) why can't i still update my netbook to an up to date version? i thought the problem would be fixed.[21:21:56] <postmen> PulkoMandy, thanks for the info on git![21:22:15] <PulkoMandy> for tutorials/docs, there are resources in several places, so just ask here a bit more specific questions and we'll try to point you to the right place[21:22:17] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Quit: “Out of the chaos, they will run and whimper, praying for me to end their tedious anarchy. 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God: the title suits Me well.” —SHODAN, System Shock)[21:22:33] <PulkoMandy> or answer directly if nothing is written anywhere (be sure to submit entries for our FAQ!)[21:22:38] <stargater> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/buildtools/tree/ here are the place for git , its missing[21:22:43] <Vidrep> Re. old hardware tickets https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/5758#comment:7[21:22:50] <PulkoMandy> as for updates, what is your problem exactly?[21:23:27] <stargater> autoconf is that a new version, but i listen he works not with haiku pm[21:23:30] <postmen> PulkoMandy, well, u tellin' everybody to try usb3 here - but i haven't seen any info on how it was build, if u just had to compile or if there were major issuses and how u fixed or worked around them.[21:24:07] <PulkoMandy> ok, a bit of story about our USB3 support then[21:24:24] <PulkoMandy> it was started during Google Summer of Code 2012, but not quite complete at the time[21:24:31] <Vidrep> Here is another old hardware not available ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8907#comment:23[21:24:38] <PulkoMandy> for a long time it was left disabled as it would crash if you tried to use it[21:24:52] <stargater> perl is missing too, but only in the patch folder[21:25:13] <stargater> bbl[21:25:29] <PulkoMandy> some of our devs put some effort on getting it going over the years, first targetting the USB3 controller in virtualbox as that was easier to test with[21:25:48] <PulkoMandy> they got it to a point where it was working well with that, but not in other cases[21:26:40] <stargater> what ever, we need bundle the man power, and lets thinking all, what can we do to make a new release[21:27:44] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, is Akshay still going to resume that work after he's finished with FreeBSD?[21:28:05] <stargater> norm, we need scrips he do us, git-marge -> compile -> build ISO -> release[21:28:06] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:28:20] <stargater> we need a relase culture[21:28:25] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: I don't know, I got no news since june[21:28:39] <stargater> 3 month, 6month?[21:28:39] <PulkoMandy> stargater: the nightlies are exactly that[21:28:50] <PulkoMandy> but people don't think they are releases for some reason[21:29:32] <stargater> PulkoMandy: we need a release dot every day[21:30:01] <PulkoMandy> postmen: so, for some time, the USB3 driver was only working with a few tested devices, and there was an hardcoded list of supported devices in the driver[21:30:04] <stargater> for testing ok, but we have pm, thats make the new version of software[21:30:23] <PulkoMandy> and recently we have noticed that enough bugs were fixed to make it run on more hardware. But we'll see how good it is[21:30:41] <Vidrep> I think most of us would settle for a yearly release cycle. Am I mistaken?[21:30:55] <stargater> the point is, people see 4 years old release, the old gcc, and no new docs[21:31:05] <PulkoMandy> I'm still not convinced about time-driven releases[21:31:25] <PulkoMandy> would it be just "pick a random nightly and declare it release"?[21:31:34] <PulkoMandy> with whatever bugs and broken things it has?[21:31:48] <Vidrep> Haiku developers are not easily convinced ;)[21:32:05] <stargater> yes, so its alpha/beta[21:32:07] <PulkoMandy> or, would it be "there is a release branch, but no one had time to merge in the new features, so the release is mostly the same as the previous one and the new cool stuff is still only in the nightlies" ?[21:32:12] <postmen> ah, ok thanks, so that's why you are promotin' it. That means i should be able to install it on an usb3 stick at a usb3 stick port and take benefit of the new feature since hrev...? (Maybe we should highlight that release!?)[21:32:28] <PulkoMandy> you need to realize the crazy amount of work it is to make a release, a stable one that works[21:32:44] <postmen> i think hrev48309 would be a good candidate for a release. ^^[21:32:46] <PulkoMandy> postmen: yes, hrev50451[21:32:55] <PulkoMandy> I will include a note about it in the next monthly report[21:33:13] <stargater> haiku will never stable with this team of developer and others[21:33:32] <postmen> thanks. well, i actually thought more of an additional colume in the download section like 'notes'.[21:33:38] <PulkoMandy> stargater: you can join and help, if you think you can make it better than us[21:33:42] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[21:33:57] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, you're right - we don't want to promote Haiku with a crappy release.[21:34:26] <stargater> thats not the point, not i ,, WE , WE ALL , haiku are not a one man show, but maybe i think this :-)[21:34:44] <PulkoMandy> stargater: there has to be people doing all the hard work[21:34:50] <postmen> #2 my driver problem is still mentioned here. https://dev.haiku-os.org/search?q=booklet it's a bit odd, since nobody asks for further logs, tells me try this or that or ...[21:35:01] <PulkoMandy> you, me, whoever - but they will only do it the way themselves think is right[21:35:49] <stargater> my respekt on PulkoMandy , your to deep in haiku, i say to you, haiku have a bad outside view with 4 year old release, thats the first point[21:36:06] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:36:47] <PulkoMandy> stargater: I know, and that's why I'm working hard on getting the release out[21:36:54] <PulkoMandy> it involves a lot of work and will take some more time[21:37:07] <PulkoMandy> but, I prefer an old release, rather than an ugly broken one[21:37:11] <postmen> well, stargater, i think we all got that. and i think you're right. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=haiku looks awful. but if the alternative is to just kick out a nightly and call it a release, i du not know!?[21:37:23] <stargater> PulkoMandy: yes you but how are the others?[21:37:36] <PulkoMandy> you can ask them, I'm not in their heads[21:37:43] <PulkoMandy> as I said everyone works to his own interests[21:37:53] <PulkoMandy> some of them just like to hack on new and exciting features[21:38:09] <PulkoMandy> some like to spend nights debugging weird hardware/driver problems[21:38:25] <PulkoMandy> some don't even want to talk with users anymore[21:38:43] <stargater> PulkoMandy: for long time have from time to time dev, have irc meatings. or more ML head handling[21:38:56] <postmen> well, but it would be good to call out a stable version from time to time i'd say. i mean, if you're connected u probably don't go for the latest nightly but one u know worked or works well.[21:39:06] <PulkoMandy> and that's fine, each in their own way contribute to making Haiku go forward[21:39:23] <stargater> bbl[21:39:26] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a1cf.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[21:39:41] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has joined #haiku[21:39:54] <PulkoMandy> postmen: I update to nightlies from time to time - I know there is a rollback feature so I can revert if things go wrong anyway[21:40:34] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:40:35] <Vidrep> Updating is always fun - you get to see all the latest enhancements and what got broken[21:40:37] <PulkoMandy> usually things go rather well or are fixed quickly - except with intel_extreme at the moment but if that lasts more I'll just commit my hacks to get it back to working state[21:41:17] <postmen> well, but PulkoMandy, it might would be a good idea to step back from time to time, reverse improvements, call it an almost stable nightly and add the new improvements again in the next nightly.[21:42:33] <postmen> PulkoMandy, well, i'm not sure what the problem is and i tried to monitor the changes made around 48309 i just couldn't find any major issue that i would expect to cause the trouble. But it's a bit frustrating if things worked bevore.[21:42:44] <Vidrep> What do you guys think the state of haiku is at the moment? In my opinion, not as bad as some people think.[21:43:16] <postmen> And, well, it might would be a start to make every 10th nightly halfway stable.[21:44:07] <Vidrep> Now would be a good time to take a pause and focus on just bug fixing[21:44:11] <postmen> Vidrep, well, for me it seems like a mess. but that's probably since i'd like to code and neither know where to start nor how to start.[21:44:51] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: yes, on Haiku side I think we're ready for release, except for that intel_extreme driver which is broken for me[21:45:10] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:45:36] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[21:45:42] <PulkoMandy> I get to enjoy 1920x540 on my fixed machine - the VESA BIOS is smart enough to include Full-HD, but it try to tells it's 1080i and fails[21:46:07] <PulkoMandy> possibly I need to try with another HDMI display[21:46:31] <Vidrep> It's broken for me as well. But as i have stated before, I'm on a desktop, so it's easy for me to just plug in another video card[21:46:53] <PulkoMandy> that's not really an acceptable solution for the release :)[21:46:54] <Vidrep> You guys with laptops are stuck with whatever is inside that case[21:47:22] <postmen> well, i would be lookin' for super key support and alt+ctrl+t - and a haiku depot that does _not_ load all the ports every time i open it.[21:47:52] <PulkoMandy> well at least you get VESA if intel_extreme doesn't work now, so that could be ok[21:48:05] <PulkoMandy> anyway, at the moment I work mostly on the package repository side of things[21:48:15] <postmen> PulkoMandy, but, can't u like reverse who messed it up and ask him politely to get his code fixed?[21:48:38] <PulkoMandy> postmen: I did, I even tried to fix it myself but the fix makes no sense[21:48:45] <postmen> i mean track bag.[21:48:47] <PulkoMandy> basically I reintroduced bugs until it worked again[21:48:48] <postmen> ok[21:48:56] <postmen> haha - sorry.[21:48:58] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3693c1.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[21:49:09] <PulkoMandy> and the work on the driver is quite good anyway, he rewrote and cleaned most of it to make it more future proof[21:49:15] <PulkoMandy> so I don't want to revert everything[21:49:24] <postmen> ok, PulkoMandy, and ctrl+alt+t and super key - any ideas?[21:49:28] <PulkoMandy> but I'll just push my hack which reverts a much smaller set[21:49:38] <PulkoMandy> no idea what these are or should do :)[21:50:25] <PulkoMandy> ctr+alt+t to open a terminal?[21:50:30] <postmen> well, super key on able as well as on windows as far as i'm informed open the start up menue with the programs - i mean, how do u open a terminal?[21:50:34] <postmen> right.[21:50:47] <PulkoMandy> you can add it in leaf menu > preferences > shortcuts[21:50:58] <Vidrep> Maybe it's time all the developers got together and plot a roadmap to Beta 1[21:50:59] <PulkoMandy> and for the menu, we use the menu key, on the other side of the keyboard[21:51:00] <postmen> i did - it just hadn't any ...[21:51:45] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: the roadmap is fairly clear, I think, get the buildmaster running to populate the package repo, branch out, a short period of bugfixing in the release branch, then release[21:52:07] <postmen> ok - so how do u open style edit for example? on windows i did super key - > (p)rogramms -> (a)ssescoirs -> (e)ditor or so[21:52:10] <Vidrep> Aside from the Intel extreme driver and package builder, what else is critical?[21:52:43] <PulkoMandy> postmen: you can install quicklaunch for similar functionality I think[21:52:58] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: on my personal list, that's about it[21:53:09] <postmen> Vidrep, the haiku depot is a mess - things aren't sorted in any way. to display all ports at once maybe made sence when there were 5 to 15 ports.[21:53:22] <PulkoMandy> for beta1 anyway, after beta1, it may be time to look into printing, etc[21:54:07] <postmen> but since that ain't a bug i don't plan to open a ticket for it.[21:54:13] <Vidrep> On the subject of printing - it does work, but the dialogs are a confusing mess.[21:54:31] <Vidrep> Just renaming the dialogs would go a long way[21:55:00] <Vidrep> There are also a bunch or regressions from alpha 4[21:55:29] <Vidrep> We don't want reviewers to think we're going backwards[21:55:34] <PulkoMandy> postmen: you can open tickets for enhancement requests as well[21:56:06] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: yes, right, it would be nice to have a list of those[21:56:15] <PulkoMandy> we don't really track that in trac I think[21:57:11] <Vidrep> Right now, I don't really care about any further enhancements to Haiku. If we fixed what we already have available, that would be a pretty good release[21:58:45] <PulkoMandy> yes, on Haiku side things are going ok[21:59:05] <Vidrep> I have usually tried (lately) to title my tickets with "regression" "enhancement" etc[22:00:25] <Vidrep> There is an awful lot of cruft in trac, as I saw yesterday[22:01:48] <PulkoMandy> yes, all projects I worked on are this way[22:03:36] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, without your contibutions to this project, I think it would be dead already[22:04:06] <PulkoMandy> who knows, maybe someone else would be doing more work[22:04:42] <PulkoMandy> anyway, I don't plan to switch to another OS in the near future as I still haven't found anything which suits me elsewhere[22:05:50] <Vidrep> The way I see it, Haiku needs a "all hands on deck" effort from the remaining devs to get out a release, even if it is only a part time committment of a couple of hours or whatever per week[22:06:21] <PulkoMandy> yes, of course[22:06:37] <PulkoMandy> in the previosu releases, that did happen around the time the branching was made[22:06:53] <PulkoMandy> if would be nice to get a little more help on haikuports side but I can understand not everyone is interested in that[22:07:41] <Vidrep> I dipped my toe into those waters and came away a little flabbergasted :p[22:08:06] <Vidrep> humdinger had to rescue me[22:10:09] <Vidrep> I see a couple of people putting a lot of effert into haikuports the past while[22:10:14] <Vidrep> effort[22:10:25] <Vidrep> Unsung heros[22:13:10] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a1cf.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:13:43] <stargater> re[22:14:30] <postmen> stargater: read the logs.[22:17:55] *** Nekron_dev <Nekron_dev!~nekron@p5B3F0435.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:18:49] *** Nekron_dev <Nekron_dev!~nekron@p5B3F0435.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:19:03] *** [Beta] <[Beta]!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has joined #haiku[22:19:11] <stargater> yes i do this[22:21:17] *** johndrinkwater <johndrinkwater!~beta@steamdb/johndrinkwater.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:22:59] <postmen> Vidrep: i would like to add wifi support, what is imho a mess.[22:23:29] <stargater> yes, a big think is the hardware issus, but this can we fixed, when we have a developer board, also all dev used this first, and it is main machine for users. Perfectly are a rasp pi3 but arm not finish and i think its will not finish in 2 years from status quo, so i look for an alternativ, my points are, it mast x86_64 (modern) min 2 core, Ram more then 1g etc. so i found this http://www.udoo.org/udoo-x86/ and i think its perfect.[22:24:04] <stargater> the hardware are open source and the driver all aviable on linux[22:24:57] <stargater> multiboot ready and the best, its from an EU make, fair for me to used this nice small but poverfull machine[22:25:48] <PulkoMandy> stargater: fine, as long as it is a Dell Vostro 161. I don't want to buy a new computer just for Haiku, thanks[22:26:01] <PulkoMandy> (and each dev around will probably say the same and suggest a different model)[22:26:08] <PulkoMandy> unless you buy one for each of us :)[22:26:25] <stargater> i can buy one for u[22:26:37] <stargater> thats not the probelm[22:27:24] <PulkoMandy> it would be[22:27:45] <PulkoMandy> each time we have a new GSoC student, it will be "oh, but you need this particular machine because for anything else we have no drivers"[22:27:59] <PulkoMandy> each time some user wants to try the OS, "oh, but you need to buy hardware first"[22:28:17] <PulkoMandy> this is the main reason AmigaOS and MorphOS are even more obscure than Haiku[22:28:25] <stargater> its a low cost machine the udoo x86[22:28:38] <PulkoMandy> I don't want to use a low cost machine for development[22:28:39] <stargater> thats perfect for haiku in my view[22:28:53] <stargater> have you look the page?[22:29:25] <PulkoMandy> no box, no SATA ports?[22:29:48] <PulkoMandy> also it's not a laptop, how do I carry it around to hack in the train of plane?[22:30:05] <PulkoMandy> only 8GB RAM? my 6 year old laptop has 2x more[22:30:07] <stargater> AmigaOS MorphOS, used special hardware he is not better then x86, but the udoo used x86 stuff, read the webpage[22:30:26] <stargater> hmm ok[22:31:24] <PulkoMandy> 8GB storage. I can't even store webkit sources. Don't tell me I need to use a slow microSD or add an external HDD to make a stupid bulky mess of wires[22:32:12] <postmen> well, with all respect PulkoMandy, i don't think the idea of kind of a reference machine is that stupid. like when u could say lenovo t410 is fully supported p. e.[22:33:12] <PulkoMandy> postmen: a hardware database is a good idea[22:33:30] <PulkoMandy> and yes, we can tell "now we support this 6 year old laptop no one can buy anymore"[22:33:35] <PulkoMandy> but that doesn't help much[22:34:09] <mmu_man> postmen: ugh, does the T410 also use the nvidia crap in my T510 ?[22:34:21] <mmu_man> cause I'm still waiting for FullHD support in their crappy VESA BIOS[22:34:48] <stargater> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/description[22:34:59] <postmen> PulkoMandy, well, i don't know what you're context is, but for students that model is quite interestin' (which i don't have, but my computer isn't fully supported). Please, PulkoMandy, go google t410 - just as an example.[22:35:06] <stargater> i think thats is a good (perfect haiku box)[22:35:28] <PulkoMandy> postmen: yes, I know Thinkpad range fairly well[22:35:44] <PulkoMandy> my previous laptop was an X200 (still have it around) and my girlfriend has a T400[22:36:04] <PulkoMandy> both working mostly ok in Haiku except for things I consider minor (sd card slot, modem)[22:36:25] <Vidrep> Maybe adding that hardware database before the Beta wouldn't be so bad an idea[22:36:41] <PulkoMandy> yes[22:36:46] <PulkoMandy> that isnt' under my control however[22:36:49] <Vidrep> ValeT wanted to offer his work to the project[22:37:25] <Vidrep> Also, lelldorin has BeSlySAT, which is also a good start[22:37:37] <postmen> Vidrep: we could do that. ;)[22:37:55] <PulkoMandy> yes, anyone with some experience in running web apps can host this[22:38:03] <PulkoMandy> please don't wait for "the project" to do it[22:38:04] <postmen> PulkoMandy, i just wanted to point out those machines (t400) are still around on the market, second hand of course, but affordable.[22:38:24] <lelldorin> Vidrep: this website is also of interest: http://aspeers.blogspot.de/[22:38:27] <PulkoMandy> postmen: yes, that is the kind of machine I would suggest if you asked me (and I think most other haiku devs)[22:38:46] <Vidrep> Hey lelldorin[22:38:48] <PulkoMandy> but, I don't think that's a reason to make them the one and only supported hardware[22:38:50] <postmen> stargater: "i think thats is a good (perfect haiku box)" - which one actually?[22:39:19] <PulkoMandy> the udoo is not even a box, it's a board :)[22:39:30] <postmen> PulkoMandy, it might be a bit oversized to call it haiku certified, but somethin' like that. ^^[22:39:57] <Vidrep> I wonder if lelldorin's BeSlySAT could be used as a front end to ValeT's website database?[22:40:00] <PulkoMandy> we have a design for an "haiku compatible" badge/sticker somewhere in our archives[22:40:09] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: that would be nice[22:42:41] <Vidrep> So, the basic infrastructure does exist for an official "Haiku Hardware Database". We need ideas here on how to implement it[22:43:08] <Vidrep> Isn't that what IRC chats are good for?[22:43:51] <Vidrep> Haiku users are never lacking for ideas[22:46:40] <postmen> well, Vidrep, i do have ideas, but there are three problems i see[22:46:47] <postmen> a) time right now (my personal)[22:47:18] <postmen> b) a hardware script that generates an report (there are lot of examples for linux) via the bash (but how exactley)[22:47:47] <Vidrep> Let's not forget Francois excellent "hardware-checker" shell script[22:47:56] <lelldorin> postmen: iirc is there a already a script like this in haiku[22:48:00] <postmen> c) a hardware database that autosuggest but let's you enter personaly as well (in the sence of individual, if you have some rtl8139B or somethin' like that.[22:48:30] <Vidrep> postmen, we have all those things already[22:48:54] * PulkoMandy leaves the buildmaster running at http://pulkomandy/~pulkomandy/ and goes to sleep[22:49:07] <postmen> wow, ok, i didn't know that - now, how should that come to the database? :) i think if you start that project and people join in and report there hardware you had do adapt the database on a daily base at least at the beginnin'.[22:49:19] <postmen> good night PulkoMandy.[22:49:32] <PulkoMandy> thanks, happy hacking on the hardware DB :)[22:49:39] <postmen> Vidrep, well, then - why don't u give me the address?[22:49:40] <lelldorin> bye PulkoMandy[22:51:09] <postmen> i liked the layout of https://dry-bastion-46138.herokuapp.com/[22:51:13] <lelldorin> postmen: start to send your hardware data to besly using the BeSlySAT app[22:51:52] <Vidrep> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/3rdparty/mmu_man/scripts/HardwareChecker.sh[22:52:33] <postmen> lelldorin: dev store!?[22:52:41] <postmen> i mean haiku depot?[22:52:43] <stargater> postmen: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/udoo/udoo-x86-the-most-powerful-maker-board-ever/description[22:52:57] <lelldorin> postmen: if you habe add our repository yes[22:53:14] <Skipp_OSX> what's with the creepy salesman guy?[22:53:16] <lelldorin> postmen: http://software.besly.de/[22:53:22] <Vidrep> There you have it - the hardwarechecker shell script, BeSlySAT, and a partially working hardware database website[22:54:09] <Vidrep> Now the problem - how to tie them all together?[22:54:25] <Vidrep> salesman?[22:55:12] <lelldorin> Vidrep: if i know how to export the hardware data from BeSly SAT i can add a export funktion for it[22:56:20] <Skipp_OSX> The video on the linked kickstarter page features a suave Italian salesman[22:56:39] <lelldorin> Vidrep: iirc humdinger says that it is a problem that BeSly SAT used haiku attributes for the files[22:58:03] <stargater> then used txt files[22:58:04] <Vidrep> ValeT was going to discuss turning over his website work with humdinger. I don't know if that ever happened[23:01:57] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4e35a1cf.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:02:14] *** stargate1 is now known as stargater_Cr[23:04:11] <Vidrep> lelldorin, maybe tomorrow we can quiz humdinger about these missing details[23:04:44] <lelldorin> if i have the time, ok[23:05:20] <Vidrep> I know he has an interest in such a database[23:05:45] <Vidrep> We also need to know if he ever had that chat with ValeT[23:06:59] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:07:20] <lelldorin> Vidrep: lorglas and my selft thinking about a database on besly too, but the feedback and sended hardare data not so much that we have ever startet a web database[23:07:40] <Vidrep> lelldorin, the version of BeSlySAt on your website is 3.6. I thought there was a 3.7?[23:08:25] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[23:08:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[23:09:08] <lelldorin> i have rebuild it for current haiku versions, can be that i use a older version numer for the build, but it is the last source used[23:09:49] <Vidrep> OK, I have it downloaded once more[23:10:19] <lelldorin> i need to go to bed. bye all[23:10:42] <lelldorin> check out my new project: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/new_project_haiku_menu_sorter[23:10:45] <lelldorin> bye[23:11:14] <Vidrep> It would be nice if BeSlySAT could import the results of the shell script somehow. Then there would be only a few manual entries.[23:11:40] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37c36a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:12:33] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3693c1.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[23:16:23] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:17:38] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:18:05] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:20:03] <postmen> Vidrep, that script by mmu_man is nice, but doesn't work since fake.haikuports.com is unrechable.[23:20:11] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:22:31] <postmen> well, it's actually fake.haikuware.com[23:24:35] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-244-105.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:25:58] *** JohnX <JohnX!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has quit IRC (K-Lined)[23:26:47] *** JohnX <JohnX!john@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe50:3ac4> has joined #haiku[23:27:14] <Vidrep> postmen, it works in that it gathers together all the details about your hardware.[23:27:19] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:27:52] <Vidrep> That info can then be input into BeSlySAT. Currently that is done manually.[23:29:03] <postmen> right, i just wonder how u would add it while avoidin' duplicate entrys of the same chip.[23:29:18] <postmen> but maybe that's unnecessary at the moment.[23:29:43] <Vidrep> If some method could be found to import that info into BeSlySAT, then only a few manual entries would be required[23:30:47] <postmen> year, but when lookin' for a chip it would be interestin' if it always works, sometimes or never.[23:30:54] <Vidrep> I guess another option would be to export that data directly into ValeT's website database[23:31:49] <Vidrep> Instead of exporting to "fake.haikuware.com", modify the script to export to an actual database[23:34:55] <Vidrep> In that case BeSlySAT wouldn't be needed. However, it would be more convenient to launch such a data gathering tool from an application entry in the menu[23:35:27] <Vidrep> Running scripts from a terminal isn't everybody's cup of tea[23:36:46] <Vidrep> postmen, lelldorin is pretty receptive to new ideas[23:37:13] <Vidrep> His app is still a work in progress[23:37:40] <postmen> well, we wil see, i would prefer various methods of enterin' new Hardware entries.[23:37:54] <postmen> btw, *commercial* http://www.chip.de/preisvergleich/product/270925/go/264633847 */commercial*[23:38:28] <Vidrep> Yes, of course. Sometime you may only want to make an entry for a single component, say a particular video card or printer etc[23:39:21] <Vidrep> Other times it amy be a laptop or a Dell desktop PC[23:39:27] <Vidrep> may[23:41:04] <Vidrep> We may want to emulate this: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/[23:42:01] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[23:46:36] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@dslb-088-072-237-170.088.072.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)