July 24, 2016 
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July 24, 2016 [00:04:48] <stargater> man pages are nice[00:05:29] <IIsi50MHz> Users need a man page on how to get to man pages, so...no help there.[00:07:37] <jessicah> man man? :p[00:08:56] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-188-118-160-104.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[00:10:59] <IIsi50MHz> They would never even guess that "man" has anything todo with help, or with what they want to do, or that opening a terminal is relevant to their GUI lives. (:[00:11:32] <stargater> what[00:11:46] <stargater> man page helps[00:12:17] <stargater> cli , ui are the same , its interface[00:12:27] <IIsi50MHz> "man" sounds like a person, not a help reference :-p[00:12:28] <stargater> gui[00:12:45] <IIsi50MHz> Even though I know it's man[ual].[00:13:05] <DCatt> man I was about to respond ha ha[00:13:06] <jessicah> our 70s legacy :p[00:14:01] <DCatt> Unix kids too lazy to type :-)[00:14:11] <DCatt> so everything is shortened[00:14:55] <stargater> unix are nice too[00:15:01] <DCatt> of course[00:15:12] *** regreg is now known as farcas82[00:15:24] * IIsi50MHz blinks[00:15:51] <IIsi50MHz> for a moment, I thought regreg -> farscape82[00:16:47] <DCatt> anyone here doing any interesting app development?[00:17:03] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@109.58.145.114.bredband.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[00:17:11] <miqlas-H> Haiu somehow thinks, that my freshly extracted foders on the Desktop are in the trash.[00:17:17] <miqlas-H> Is it a known problem?[00:17:27] <IIsi50MHz> o.O[00:18:17] <miqlas-H> IIsi50MHz: sometimes it is pretty frustrating.[00:19:04] <IIsi50MHz> Very.[00:20:03] <IIsi50MHz> I don't have the folders-in-trash problem, though.[00:20:04] <miqlas-H> the "man" commadn is misogynyst. We should change it to human. Oh WAIT.[00:20:06] <stargater> what are intresting DCatt[00:22:09] <miqlas-H> #ifdef __HAIKU__[00:22:16] <miqlas-H> #define interresting new[00:22:18] <IIsi50MHz> DCatt, not me. I'm just reading here and repairing my idiotic blunder with Linux. (Did some things in single-user mode that broke many of the packages and display driver)[00:22:19] <miqlas-H> #endif[00:23:22] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-34-143.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:23:53] <mmu_man> lol[00:23:56] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.48.12> has joined #haiku[00:25:27] <IIsi50MHz> Fortunately, I do this on my own private machine, so not hurting anything.[00:26:53] <IIsi50MHz> I want/wanted to find the details of how to fix it, but by now...Clean install and download everything again would have been faster. >.<[00:26:59] <miqlas-H> mmu_man: as backup plan we should use #define interresting anything[00:27:13] <DCatt> probably if you don't have anything on there worth keeping[00:27:20] <mmu_man> #define begin {[00:27:25] <mmu_man> #define end }[00:27:39] <mmu_man> the tty driver in BeOS had some stuff like this in the source[00:27:41] <mmu_man> ugly :)[00:27:53] <IIsi50MHz> mmu_man: You were too fast; I was going to send "beguine"[00:28:25] <FlyingJester> #define elfif else if[00:28:35] <FlyingJester> Here's my advice.[00:28:36] <miqlas-H> It makes me ill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ryohiCVq3M[00:28:41] <FlyingJester> #define class struct[00:28:46] <FlyingJester> #define private public[00:28:50] <FlyingJester> #define protected public[00:29:04] <FlyingJester> Now OOP is super easy! :D[00:29:52] <miqlas-H> FlyingJester: thank yout, this is what i missing my take-over-the-world project.[00:30:03] <IIsi50MHz> You mean to say "OOPs".[00:30:18] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:30:46] <FlyingJester> Or a good one, #define whilst while[00:30:53] <IIsi50MHz> heh[00:31:21] *** tm <tm!~sinnlos@360.vmworld.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:31:22] <miqlas-H> it would be grat to have something like #define -lm -lroot[00:32:21] <pecan> my only problem with ‘man’ is that I can never remember the syntax for date[00:32:24] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-57-64.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[00:32:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[00:32:33] <pecan> and google starts to give you weird stuff when you google man date[00:32:40] <IIsi50MHz> lol[00:33:23] <pecan> and man touch, and man fsck…[00:33:33] <Skipp_OSX> I got the Linux man page for date[00:33:45] <Skipp_OSX> then I got urban dictionary[00:35:10] <pecan> I get linux man page, wikipedia, urbandictionary, gay.com, gay.date.com…[00:35:18] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.48.12> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:35:34] <pecan> now I use the terminal for ‘man’.[00:36:56] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has joined #haiku[00:37:34] <Skipp_OSX> when did Haiku start shipping with man pages? I know for a while it was considered cruft[00:38:40] * IIsi50MHz considers aliasing "man" to "cruft"[00:39:03] <FlyingJester> If you ship a unix shell, I would think you'd better ship man pages.[00:39:51] * pecan aliased ‘kill -9’ to ‘murder’ and ‘perl -e’ to ‘simon’[00:41:11] <IIsi50MHz> I should alias "hey" to "oi", because Japan.[00:41:24] <IIsi50MHz> Actually, UK too[00:42:02] <IIsi50MHz> But I guess that would be "oy"[00:46:37] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:48:57] <Skipp_OSX> for a while you had to install the man pages from a package if you wanted them[00:54:22] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:03:23] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has joined #haiku[01:03:50] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:28:51] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:29:17] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-57-64.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[01:30:08] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:32:21] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-57-64.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[01:32:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[01:37:40] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a23d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[01:47:46] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[01:49:37] <mmu_man> I have this on porting list: https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck[01:49:51] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[01:51:07] <FlyingJester> That is amazing.[01:55:51] *** DCatt <DCatt!~vision@pool-71-113-13-252.rcmdva.east.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[01:56:36] <munchausen> pecan you need to use "man date/1"[01:56:55] <munchausen> or type "man date" into your terminal ;)[02:01:24] <Skipp_OSX> mmu_man, seems like it would be nice to have that be a shell built-in[02:01:47] <Skipp_OSX> did you mean git pull? kind of idea[02:21:53] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[02:25:39] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-57-64.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:45:47] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has joined #haiku[03:01:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #115 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2-debug is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2-debug/builds/115[03:05:37] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:13:19] *** StephanParseBNF <StephanParseBNF!~stephane@APoitiers-656-1-531-144.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[03:13:56] *** hecliunyx <hecliunyx!~h@45.63.97.181> has joined #haiku[03:19:59] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has joined #haiku[03:32:01] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[03:32:18] <Vidrep> :)[03:36:31] *** Nach0z_ <Nach0z_!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[03:38:43] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:53:41] *** StephanParseBNF <StephanParseBNF!~stephane@APoitiers-656-1-531-144.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi)[03:55:13] *** Nach0z_ is now known as Nach0z[03:59:05] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[04:01:04] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[04:01:30] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[05:13:54] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:23:06] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:39:11] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-170-208.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:39:23] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-158-109-110.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[05:39:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[05:40:44] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[05:46:54] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmiugykbwupnstjs> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[05:50:50] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[05:56:03] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:cc7d:1315:548c:6b80> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[05:56:23] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:b829:110b:2e24:c312> has joined #haiku[06:27:05] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[06:40:33] *** thomasm <thomasm!~sinnlos@360.vmworld.it> has joined #haiku[06:44:56] *** thomasm is now known as tm[06:47:51] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:52:36] *** sambagirl <sambagirl!~anita@unaffiliated/sambagirl> has joined #haiku[06:52:48] <sambagirl> morning does haiku support touchscreen[07:03:03] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[07:03:56] <CandidC> Hey hey, so does anyone know where support for streaming .pls is at currently? I have to try it out when I get home[07:24:09] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[07:37:08] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:38:13] *** FlyingJester <FlyingJester!~Kashyyyk@2602:306:31c4:2820::3e9> has joined #haiku[07:58:00] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e373226.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[07:58:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[08:01:49] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!4b9c9eb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.156.158.178> has joined #haiku[08:02:09] <Vidrep> CandidC, there us[08:02:20] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4e373226.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:02:21] <Vidrep> There us[08:02:44] <Vidrep> Damn autocorrect[08:03:12] <Vidrep> There is a workaround for .pls files[08:04:34] <Vidrep> Copy the URLs into wget in order to obtain the address to paste into MP[08:04:34] *** [r4] 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<jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:e1e8:55c0:9df5:1fa7:3631> has joined #haiku[10:57:27] *** YannB64 <YannB64!~yannick@host81-159-185-24.range81-159.btcentralplus.com> has joined #haiku[10:59:53] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@14.97.214.213> has joined #haiku[11:16:55] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[11:17:13] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:17:40] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:35:41] *** YannB64 <YannB64!~yannick@host81-159-185-24.range81-159.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[11:54:40] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@2.217.36.236> has joined #haiku[12:24:42] *** YannB64 <YannB64!~yannick@host81-159-185-24.range81-159.btcentralplus.com> has joined #haiku[12:26:04] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[12:27:00] <miqlas-H> New gameport for Haiku: http://chunk.io/f/21da3974c55140eab10af17311d8135d[12:29:14] <miqlas-H> A bit bloody: http://chunk.io/f/9ece8e00f72f41418dfa4c1b31d22585[12:30:50] <PulkoMandy> :)[12:32:33] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[12:32:54] <miqlas-H> Sadly the original Syndicate isn't so easily portable.[12:32:59] <miqlas-H> I liked it a lot better[12:44:15] <miqlas-H> Oh, freesynd just compiled...[12:58:52] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[13:06:56] <miqlas-H> YAY, it works: http://chunk.io/f/12d2fd4d40314713aa6f68628eed3589[13:07:09] <miqlas-H> http://chunk.io/f/80ec39cfad9840dba8e8e7cf6fa10995[13:13:08] <miqlas-H> Ican kill simulated humans with simulated brainwashed human beeings on Haiku.[13:13:19] <miqlas-H> and with simulated Haiku too.[13:13:45] <miqlas-H> maybe our world really just a simulation.[13:14:02] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: did you heard about the simulated world theory?[13:14:20] *** mmu_man_ <mmu_man_!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[13:15:49] *** YannB64 <YannB64!~yannick@host81-159-185-24.range81-159.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[13:29:35] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: https://xkcd.com/505/[13:32:31] <miqlas-H> ofc, i knew it.[13:32:40] <miqlas-H> but now i need to go.[13:32:41] <miqlas-H> bye[13:32:45] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[13:33:50] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-14-137-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:35:10] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@81-225-14-137-no168.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #haiku[13:37:41] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[13:40:25] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:41:35] <mmu_man_> how would I hint at a future possible GCI task on a trac ticket?[13:41:47] <mmu_man_> keyword?[13:42:18] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a638.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[13:43:15] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[13:43:31] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[13:43:48] <mmu_man_> cf. https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12877#ticket[13:43:57] *** farcas82 <farcas82!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:50:48] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cable-89-16-150-2.cust.telecolumbus.net> has joined #haiku[13:50:51] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@cable-89-16-150-2.cust.telecolumbus.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:53:35] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@14.97.214.213> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[14:23:36] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@2.217.36.236> has quit IRC (Quit: Be back later ...)[14:50:01] *** mmu_man_ is now known as mmu_man[15:18:59] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:26:58] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@109.58.144.216.bredband.tre.se> has joined #haiku[15:26:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[15:41:23] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[15:53:24] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-agfwplcvdxomqjle> has joined #haiku[15:53:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[15:55:00] <munchausen> miglas-H an awesome game! I also love how it was reverse engineered to make an open source engine :)[15:55:03] <munchausen> hpkg?[15:55:16] <munchausen> argh he's not in the room :([16:29:00] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:39:24] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:39:43] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:54:08] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:58:20] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has joined #haiku[17:12:41] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[17:16:28] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[17:16:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[17:26:57] *** lukky513 <lukky513!~lukky513@elbereth.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:28:07] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:31:07] <mmu_man> Just cleaned up my FLTK port: https://github.com/mmuman/fltk-test-only/tree/haiku-port-try001[17:34:00] *** bedouin <bedouin!uid151413@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-swwordpkljslwwvc> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:36:15] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:36:18] *** bedouin <bedouin!uid151413@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-omisocanorsjascs> has joined #haiku[17:36:30] <Vidrep> Good morning[17:36:43] <IIsi50MHz> re[17:38:12] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86b320.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:38:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:38:26] <Vidrep> Barrett, how is the U;traDV work coming along?[17:38:33] <Vidrep> UltraDV[17:39:09] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger[17:39:22] <humdinger> hullo Vidrep[17:43:40] <Vidrep> humdinger, who is primarily responsible for keeping the Haiku home page up to date?[17:44:43] <humdinger> not sure. several people can submit and publish news.[17:47:08] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: it's humdinger. :p[17:47:39] <humdinger> responsible only if something went wrong...[17:50:07] <Vidrep> The reason I'm asking is that there are 14 people who donated to Barrett's UltraDV work, and his bog entry is still not shown in "WHAT'S NEW IN HAIKU DEVELOPMENT"[17:50:26] <Vidrep> Also the donation meter thingy[17:50:42] <Vidrep> Not complaining, just sayin" ;)[17:53:04] <humdinger> I thought the "WHAT'S NEW IN HAIKU DEVELOPMENT" headline only applied to the top tabview.[17:53:51] <humdinger> anyway. I'm not sure if the front page is reserved for news directly concerning Haiiku development.[17:54:00] <humdinger> I could promote the blog post of course.[17:54:13] <humdinger> Barrett didn't ask though.[17:54:19] <Vidrep> Maybe so, but I always thought it applied to weekly/monthly reports and such as well[17:54:27] <humdinger> the donation-o-meter is updated by haiu inc.[17:54:43] <humdinger> ..which are directly work on Haiku related.[17:56:19] <IIsi50MHz> Uh..I've sent Haiku Depot into a strange loop.[17:57:41] <IIsi50MHz> While scrolling down using the arrow keys, it got to groff theo started jumping the selection back to golang_x86 or gperf or grep.[17:57:59] <Vidrep> Generally the "Blog-O-Sphere" entries are reflected in the page "headlines"[17:58:07] <IIsi50MHz> then* started[17:58:28] <Vidrep> Anyway, I thought I would mention it[17:58:32] <humdinger> would be nice to have a section on the front page to announce currently running special stuff, like code rallies or contract work.[17:59:33] <humdinger> Vidrep: not always. we skipped mmu_man's 1000 part travel blog. :)[17:59:51] <IIsi50MHz> It wont stop looping and CPU's fully engaged[18:00:13] <Barrett> some forfeit win changes are already showing a better UI but there's a lot to do[18:00:19] <humdinger> kill it, IIsi50MHz... kill it, Kill it, KILL IT...!!!![18:00:21] <Barrett> anyway I suggest to try the app directly[18:00:54] <Vidrep> Generally the Haiku page is pretty good. It just needs to be updated more often.[18:01:04] <humdinger> Barrett: should I promote your UltraDV post to the front-page?[18:01:07] <IIsi50MHz> It's the w>HaikuDepot thread[18:01:18] <Barrett> dunno I already mentioned it here[18:02:06] <humdinger> Well... then I just do it. more news is always good.[18:02:25] <IIsi50MHz> Package Contents Populator is involved too.[18:04:21] <Vidrep> Has anybody else noticed any odd Haiku network behaviour the past little while?[18:04:56] <Vidrep> It's as if the network speed slowly decreases over time[18:05:23] <humdinger> nope. I get KDLs from the LAN driver sometimes for some time now....[18:05:39] <humdinger> Vidrep: PulkoMandy recently created a related ticket[18:05:48] <humdinger> (slowing down network)[18:06:11] <Vidrep> I never get network KDL's or anything like that. Just a slow degradation of speed[18:06:55] *** zer0her0 <zer0her0!~Z@unaffiliated/zer0her0> has joined #haiku[18:07:30] <Vidrep> I see it. Ticket #12876. That's exactly what I'm seeing as well.[18:08:21] <humdinger> PulkoMandy suffering from a bug is our best bet to get it fixed soon. :)[18:08:30] <Vidrep> Now, how to get some useful information to track down this issue and get it resolved.[18:08:42] <IIsi50MHz> Hrm, saw a link to a video of Forth on Haiku, but cant find Forth.[18:08:52] *** zer0her0 <zer0her0!~Z@unaffiliated/zer0her0> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:08:52] <Vidrep> humdinger, so true![18:09:19] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:09:50] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: not really, as I have no idea what happens :)[18:10:05] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: what's your setup? also wireless? same hardware or some other device?[18:10:13] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has joined #haiku[18:10:27] <Vidrep> I've been using the same setup for over a year[18:10:38] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: not yet. I'm confident you'll figure something out.[18:12:20] <HAIKU-irker848> buildtools.master: pulkomandy * btrev43120 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=560f4f562f2e+%5E68e96393c7be[18:12:21] <HAIKU-irker848> 560f4f562f2e: Legacy binutils: do not link against Flex.[18:12:30] <Vidrep> My Haiku PC is on a wired connection to a Actiontec V1000H Wireless Modem Router[18:14:28] <PulkoMandy> ok, that means it is probably not an issue with a particular driver or with wireless then. that rules out a large part of the code already[18:14:47] <Vidrep> I have a Windows PC connected up the same way, but it's not experiencing the problem[18:14:48] *** mta <mta!~mta@52.10.131.237> has joined #haiku[18:19:16] *** postmen|afk <postmen|afk!~tonyc@p5B15067D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:20:46] * humdinger is idle: dinner[18:21:37] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151F4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:25:12] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, is there anything I can try at my end to get info?[18:25:47] <PulkoMandy> I don't know yet, but adding info about your hardware and setup to the ticket would be a good start[18:26:19] <Vidrep> OK, I can do that[18:28:45] <Barrett> generally if there are both wifi and eth I've observed sometimes things become more stable when one is disabled[18:30:49] <PulkoMandy> eth is not plugged here[18:32:28] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[18:33:19] <postmen|afk> Vidrep, i thought you are an developer yourself.[18:34:05] *** postmen|afk is now known as postmen[18:36:46] <Vidrep> Me? NOOOOOOO![18:38:34] <postmen> ohh, sorry - u got a link to the problem?[18:38:38] <Vidrep> I'm just a long time BeOS/Zeta/Haiku user who still hasn't figured out what the hell I'm doing[18:39:45] <postmen> Vidrep, a pitty, but sounds familiar. :)[18:39:53] <Vidrep> The network issue? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12876#comment:1[18:41:12] <postmen> right, thanks[18:43:00] <Vidrep> All of the real devs have their names highlighted in red (ex. @Barrett, @tqh)[18:43:27] <Vidrep> I can't explain why PulkoMandy's name isn't there...[18:43:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[18:43:41] <PulkoMandy> there, fixed :)[18:43:55] <mmu_man> op op op :)[18:44:26] <Vidrep> Now it's official[18:49:37] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:50:34] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a638.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:57:43] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:03:43] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[19:10:11] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[19:12:02] * IIsi50MHz tries to tell Installer to use CD[19:12:56] <IIsi50MHz> Aww, it doesn't believe it can install from CD unless running from that CD[19:14:15] <Vidrep> humdinger, did ValeT ever discuss the ststus of his hardware database with you?[19:14:21] <Vidrep> ststus[19:14:32] <Vidrep> status[19:15:29] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[19:15:35] <Vidrep> He had confided in me that he wanted to turn it over to the project[19:16:01] <Vidrep> I had suggested that you would be the best person to ask[19:17:20] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a638.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:17:25] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[19:22:15] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[19:25:03] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@109.58.144.216.bredband.tre.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:42:50] <Vidrep> bbl[19:42:53] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[19:47:42] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36aa1d.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[19:47:49] <Lelldorin1> hello all[19:48:11] <Lelldorin1> why this does not run anymore on haiku: ffmpeg -r 2.5 -qscale 5 -b 1800 -i screenshot%04d.png /boot/home/Desktop/out.mp4 ?[19:48:16] <IIsi50MHz> Hej[19:48:39] <IIsi50MHz> Never tried it. Dunno.[19:49:22] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:51:00] <pecan> Maybe it got tired, or had to get knee surgery or something.[19:51:09] <pecan> What does it do besides ‘not run’?[20:00:20] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d86b320.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[20:03:02] <Lelldorin1> he should get the stored screenshots and make a mp4 video out of it[20:03:13] <Lelldorin1> on older haiku version, this runs perfect[20:06:38] <postmen> i hear that last sentence more often.[20:07:05] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!bc68d287@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.104.210.135> has joined #haiku[20:13:06] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36aa1d.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:34:24] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has joined #haiku[20:53:32] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-102-159.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:57:02] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has joined #haiku[21:02:18] <IIsi50MHz> hrev50398 needs video 16-bit failsafe on Vaio B100B.[21:03:13] <IIsi50MHz> Otherwise, after the Haiku launch icons, the display is black some rows of garbage pixels at the bottom.[21:04:55] <postmen> on older haiku version, this runs perfect?[21:06:15] <IIsi50MHz> hrev41980 is installed, I think. I don't remember setting any failsafe options.[21:06:52] <Paradoxon> its becaus of an update of intel graphics driver[21:07:35] <Paradoxon> ?[21:07:53] <IIsi50MHz> Blagh. When I install hrev50398 to USB, and reboot: no boot path found.[21:08:03] <IIsi50MHz> Could be.[21:08:18] <Paradoxon> install the bootman tooo[21:08:23] <Paradoxon> on the usb[21:10:19] <Paradoxon> this helped for me :)[21:10:29] <Paradoxon> this worked for me.. i mean[21:10:37] <postmen> yep, that sounds like a good idea. or try to set an active partition. but i would go for the BootManager - as it is called nowadays.[21:10:57] <Paradoxon> or is haiku telling you that it cant find the boot partition[21:11:39] <IIsi50MHz> Exact message: "no boot path found"[21:11:46] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has quit IRC (Quit: Be back later ...)[21:11:53] <PulkoMandy> does not look like one of our messages[21:12:10] <IIsi50MHz> And then it searches all partitions, finds Haiku on HD, but can't boot from it.[21:12:14] <PulkoMandy> probably your MBR does not know how to boot Haiku then, in that case either writembr or installing bootman could help[21:14:02] <postmen> IIsi50MHz, there are two very good boot managers too. easybcd i think it's called and plop boot manager, maybe that helps?[21:15:53] <Paradoxon> no ... he is over the stage of booting intial kernel :-D[21:15:59] <IIsi50MHz> After installing BootManager and displaying the boot menu, selecting the only entry (Haiku) causes again "no boot path found"[21:16:04] <Paradoxon> sorry. i mean boatloader[21:16:43] <Paradoxon> best way would be a clean install on the usb[21:16:51] <Paradoxon> with a followed makebootable[21:17:00] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[21:17:26] <PulkoMandy> IIsi50MHz: in that case the problem is in the partition you installed to, maybe "makebootable" can fix it[21:25:38] <IIsi50MHz> No joy. Starting over.[21:25:56] <postmen> well, but makebootable distroys the partition table.[21:26:17] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-102-159.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:26:36] <postmen> IIsi50MHz, you could try a partition recovery.[21:26:52] <PulkoMandy> postmen: ??[21:27:03] <PulkoMandy> makebootable is used on a BFS partition, not a disk[21:27:17] <PulkoMandy> so it does not touch the partition table[21:27:34] <postmen> PulkoMandy, i think i crashed a partition table with makebootable, an usb stick with several partitions on it.[21:28:01] <postmen> PulkoMandy, i would have guessed it depends on the flags, what it alters.[21:28:08] <postmen> IIsi50MHz: www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk[21:28:29] <PulkoMandy> postmen: there are only two options: --help and --dry-run[21:28:38] <PulkoMandy> of course using any of those it will not write anything :)[21:29:07] <postmen> sure, but i'm coninveced it screwed up my usb stick.[21:29:21] <PulkoMandy> yes, it seems it will, if you run it on the disk device[21:29:23] <PulkoMandy> instead of the partition device[21:29:52] <PulkoMandy> but that's not how it's meant to be used (we should probably have it check if the given device look somewhat like valid BFs before erasing it)[21:30:05] <postmen> hehe :)[21:30:05] <IIsi50MHz> +1[21:30:19] <postmen> +1[21:34:36] <IIsi50MHz> :-D I tried formatting the whole USB as BFS instead of partition this time. Now it "has" 11 "partitions"[21:35:13] <IIsi50MHz> Including ones for ChromeOS, Windows, EFI...[21:36:11] <mmu_man> Barrett: btw, I've got media_addon_server calling debugger here[21:36:27] <mmu_man> BufferCache::GetBuffer: IDs mismatch[21:36:37] <mmu_man> from the Emixki Audigy 2 control thread[21:36:46] <mmu_man> possibly related to the driver I suppose[21:38:02] <PulkoMandy> IIsi50MHz: sounds like you have mixed GPT/MBR on that USB drive[21:40:55] <IIsi50MHz> Reinitialising Intel partition map doesn't change anything. Formatting device root as NTFS, ejecting, then reinitialising Intel map works.[21:41:10] <IIsi50MHz> To get rid of all the imaginary partitions.[21:44:51] <postmen> IIsi50MHz, there is a) an very popular tool from hp what erases the whole usb, like resetting it and b) there is for windows a tool called mini tool partition wizard what i found very usefull.[21:45:54] <IIsi50MHz> Right now I have only Android and Haiku with me.[21:46:12] <postmen> mhmm.[21:48:13] <postmen> you have a shell under android?[21:49:14] <IIsi50MHz> Installer is happy to offer Restart when data is not finished writing, so system appears to hang with only mouse cursor responsive.[21:50:13] <IIsi50MHz> If I didn't have das blinkenlichten on the USB, or try Ctl-Alt-Del, it would seem crashed[21:51:05] <postmen> well, but that's an problem of haiku anyway, it says finished bevore all data is writen.[21:51:13] <IIsi50MHz> Ja[21:51:17] <postmen> in combination with usb.[21:52:40] <IIsi50MHz> Victory![21:53:20] <IIsi50MHz> Of course, all my data is still on the HD with old hrev.[21:56:49] <mmu_man> hmm[21:57:01] <mmu_man> why don't we accept Let's Encrypt certs??[21:57:26] <mmu_man> oh wait, the one from ports-mirror.haiku-os.org is from GlobalSign and is rejected too[21:57:29] <mmu_man> odd[21:57:32] <mmu_man> by haikuporter[22:04:51] <mmu_man> ok nevermind[22:05:03] <mmu_man> looks like this box needs a clock battery replacement[22:05:11] <mmu_man> we're not in april anymore[22:06:41] <mmu_man> mmuuuuch better now :)[22:06:45] <mmu_man> with proper time[22:08:20] <PulkoMandy> we are using ca root certificates from 2015, maybe its time to update them[22:11:09] <mmu_man> ordinal not in range[22:11:10] <mmu_man> eh[22:11:16] <mmu_man> for util_macros[22:12:35] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has joined #haiku[22:17:15] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:19:46] <Barrett> mmu_man, yes it seems a driver issue[22:19:46] <Barrett> but I'd need something with this issue to fix it[22:28:37] <mmu_man> ok, so my ç is again screwing up[22:28:45] <mmu_man> curse python codecs[22:37:09] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!bc68d287@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.104.210.135> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:42:59] <mmu_man> it happens right after the install phase[22:46:33] <munchausen> Vidrep, PulkoMandy I have had that same slowing network issue on one of my machines for a long time. I presumed it was related to the wirless card. The machine is a thinkpad x230, I can't remember the wirless (think it was one of the intel ones)[22:51:15] *** pat74 <pat74!~pat74@AAnnecy-653-1-98-220.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[22:53:04] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[22:58:58] <munchausen> mmu_man nice fltk port :)[22:59:17] *** pat74 <pat74!~pat74@AAnnecy-653-1-98-220.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[22:59:55] <munchausen> I always like fltk, but I'm not sure if there are that many useful applications using it? We can have dillo at least![23:04:21] <mmu_man> there is a port of xpilot[23:05:46] <stargater> its released http://goo.gl/Gt24tO[23:13:41] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has joined #haiku[23:17:18] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:46] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:18:07] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:20:30] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: error message?[23:20:39] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: didn't they change formats or smth?[23:20:46] <waddlesplash> or was that last year, and we already got through that[23:23:38] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-3/±0] https://git.io/vKSPH[23:23:39] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson efdc75f - lighttpd: bump to 1.4.40, drop x86_gcc2, add x86 secondary arch. (#721)[23:24:21] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: that's due to the print infoFile.read()[23:24:28] <mmu_man> because stdout's encoding is ascii[23:24:33] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: file/line?[23:24:36] <waddlesplash> ... oh lol[23:25:49] <mmu_man> that's weird, it used to work...[23:26:23] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: want to try http://stackoverflow.com/a/11742574/1847977 ?[23:26:31] <waddlesplash> looks like a hack, but it might work[23:26:56] <waddlesplash> but then there's also the matter of https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/commit/b9e5541a51ab694edd08f155fce1c2c6f7809990[23:27:27] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/vKSPA[23:27:28] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson f8189f8 - vlc: use additional-files and fix duplicate vlc.rdef in patch. (#635)[23:28:17] <mmu_man> http://chase-seibert.github.io/blog/2014/01/12/python-unicode-console-output.html[23:28:36] <waddlesplash> aha, that looks pretty good[23:29:12] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: if you want to put that in and see if it works, feel free to commit it[23:33:39] <mmu_man> ohhh wait[23:33:51] <mmu_man> it was triggered because I exported LC_ALL=C[23:34:02] <mmu_man> to get english errors[23:36:24] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.54.251> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:37:52] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[23:38:02] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-126-226.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[23:38:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[23:39:24] <Vidrep> munchausen, re. your network issue. You may as well add your info to PulkoMandy's ticket.[23:41:12] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-126-226.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:42:07] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:b829:110b:2e24:c312> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving - Cross platform IDE http://monkeystudio.org)[23:42:15] * IIsi50MHz found BForth for R5 BeOS[23:43:18] <IIsi50MHz> works![23:43:37] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!~dario@186.23.23.17> has joined #haiku[23:43:47] <IIsi50MHz> Just "make x86" and then "BForth"[23:44:56] <mmu_man> btw, still getting stale "waiting for build package ... to be activated" :-([23:45:56] <IIsi50MHz> Alas, readme lists some heavy restrictions. No dynamic import, no Be classes, no windows...[23:47:33] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@95.151.194.152> has joined #haiku[23:50:14] <IIsi50MHz> Hmm, public domain. I'll just save this for later, then.[23:51:22] <IIsi50MHz> https://sites.google.com/site/forthfan/files[23:51:35] *** Nach0z_ <Nach0z_!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[23:55:04] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:55:52] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@71.11.67.179> has joined #haiku[23:57:05] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku