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[00:21:17] <munchausen> Is there libbsd on haiku?
[00:21:35] <munchausen> I can't see it in pkgman, but I have the headers in /system/develop/bsd
[00:22:10] <munchausen> I mean /system/develop/headers/bsd
[00:22:33] <postmen> yes, in system/lib as well as in /boot/system/x86/
[00:22:47] <munchausen> But what's the package called?
[00:22:59] <postmen> aeh, sorry, /boot/system/lib/x86/libbsd.so
[00:23:10] <munchausen> Ah I think it's just included in haiku
[00:23:34] <postmen> guess so
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[00:34:17] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, "k. so what bugs are bugging people these days" Are you sure you want to ask this question? ;)
[00:34:33] <waddlesplash> :)
[00:34:39] * waddlesplash is looking at why HDA is busted in VirtualBox
[00:34:56] <waddlesplash> first it was the CORB quirk, then now the acquire_sem is timing out
[00:35:48] <Vidrep> HDA is working for me on real hardware. I've never used virtual machines before
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[00:42:51] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, there are several bugs which are bugging me. But, most involve hardware that isn't working or not working correctly.
[00:43:12] <Vidrep> I think that's out of your hands for the most part
[00:50:33] <munchausen> So I didn't realise the haiku realloc acts slightly differently to GNU realloc
[00:50:54] <munchausen> Is there a way to get a compatible version somewhere? Or otherwise cleanly tell autofools we don't care?
[00:52:12] <munchausen> waddlesplash if you could fix the redraw for window decorators when the title length gets smaller that would be awesome :)
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[00:58:02] <mmu_man> what's the problem?
[00:58:16] <mmu_man> realloc is realloc
[00:58:23] <AlienSoldier> for me mostly black fly in the forest, but i still would like a fix to the media player regression and web+ hanging on certain condition
[00:58:26] <munchausen> mmu_man it's ok I found a work around. My recipe works :)
[00:59:03] <munchausen> mmu_man apparently realloc and malloc under GNU will return a nonnull when you do malloc(0)
[00:59:15] <munchausen> which sounds nuts to me
[00:59:56] <munchausen> but theres an autoconf macro to check for it and if it fails it puts #define realloc rpl_realloc into config.h
[01:00:17] <munchausen> so everything breaks (but at build time, not configure time)
[01:00:58] <munchausen> You can export a variable before you run configure to get around it. Which I guess is better than patching configure.ac
[01:01:47] <mmu_man> it's not POSIX I think
[01:02:43] <mmu_man> If size is 0, either a null pointer or a unique pointer that can be successfully passed to free() shall be returned.
[01:02:51] <mmu_man> BSDs usually return NULL
[01:03:14] <mmu_man> so it's a bug in the application to assume otherwise
[01:03:26] <mmu_man> usually an oversight by linux coderz
[01:03:39] <munchausen> Aw nuts. Just got my recipe working, but only under x86 not x86_gcc2 and just realised that since its a fuse addon using userlandfs the _x86 package wont work on gcc2h :(
[01:03:41] <mmu_man> the same who complain when we add some Haiku stuff because "hey, that's not POSIX" :D
[01:04:04] <mmu_man> eh
[01:04:16] <mmu_man> FUSE is linux stuff so, no wonder :p
[01:04:44] <mmu_man> I suppose you could check size and use 1 when it's 0
[01:04:49] <munchausen> yeah I expect it probably isn't going to break their code. So I don't know why they even used the macro TBH
[01:05:16] <mmu_man> is it online?
[01:05:23] <munchausen> I think the easiest thing is to patch the code if it really expects that to happen
[01:05:36] <munchausen> Anyway I got it to build for now
[01:05:55] <munchausen> Probably, I just downloaded a tarball though. It's curlftpfs
[01:06:32] <mmu_man> not as nice as ftpfs but I don't think we have source for this one
[01:06:33] <mmu_man> :p
[01:06:42] <munchausen> I will cross that bridge when I get a build that will actually run time link to the userlandfs I have installed here :P
[01:06:57] <mmu_man> btw, I believe it's possible to extend FTP to tunnel xattrs
[01:07:05] <mmu_man> although it'd be nice to have an RFC
[01:07:08] <munchausen> Yeah that's what I understood. I figured it's a decent enough alternative that shouldn't be too much work
[01:08:14] <munchausen> Hmm. Yeah it's an unusual requirement
[01:08:55] <munchausen> So ggc 2.95 seems to be more finickety about what it lets you #define?
[01:09:11] <mmu_man> but at least using EPLF it should be possible to send icons :)
[01:09:23] <mmu_man> encoding the xattr as base64
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[01:10:33] <mmu_man> it's a standardized version of LS
[01:10:47] <mmu_man> as most servers actually send whatever the OS lists usually
[01:11:22] <mmu_man> odd, the SF project page has a BSD icon
[01:11:38] <munchausen> That's cool. Yeah you should be able to extend that to xattrs right?
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[01:12:12] <mmu_man> well yeah but xattrs are not normalized between OSes
[01:13:37] <mmu_man> (I wrote this)
[01:13:41] <mmu_man> hey, I've been cited!
[01:14:11] <mmu_man> or not?
[01:14:25] <mmu_man> yes
[01:14:27] <mmu_man> in a *patent*
[01:14:29] <mmu_man> OMFG
[01:14:32] <mmu_man> I have this
[01:15:45] <munchausen> Dublin core?
[01:17:32] <munchausen> Noo, not a patent!
[01:21:14] <munchausen> Pretty cool that you get to write papers attributed to haiku OS too :)
[01:21:16] <mmu_man> HATE SwPat
[01:21:38] <mmu_man> being a student was nice :)
[01:21:50] <munchausen> ditto re patents
[01:22:43] <HAIKU-irker848> 0c1281a14f4d: hda: Create HDA_QUIRK_NO_CORBRP_RESET_ACK and use it.
[01:22:44] <waddlesplash> sadly that does not fix the problem :(
[01:22:44] <munchausen> Unfortunately I have a full time job as well as being a student
[01:24:03] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: what's the symptom?
[01:24:30] <mmu_man> aw, nice paper title :)
[01:25:53] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: totally busted HDA
[01:26:03] <waddlesplash> syslog:
[01:26:21] <waddlesplash> ... and C&P is predictably busted again
[01:28:15] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: the "operation timed out" comes from an acquire_sem in the function that called
[01:28:21] <waddlesplash> (hda_send_verbs)
[01:29:06] <mmu_man> ah
[01:29:16] <mmu_man> IIRC the HDA bug in QEMU resulted in an IRQ storm
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[01:29:26] <mmu_man> so probably not the same
[01:29:38] <Vidrep> I've been having unusual network issues the past couple of days
[01:30:41] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: so, what do I have to do then
[01:30:43] <waddlesplash> or you have no idea
[01:30:46] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: nothing changed, really
[01:31:15] <Vidrep> I know. That's why I'm a little puzzled
[01:33:02] <mmu_man> dunno it's 1 am here :p
[01:33:05] <mmu_man> I should be sleeping
[01:34:11] <waddlesplash> oh boy
[01:34:36] <waddlesplash> ...
[01:34:43] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: it's a BTextView layout bug
[01:34:47] <waddlesplash> Wonderful.
[01:35:57] <mmu_man> waddlesplash: hey, could it be it actually waits for the STATE_STS reg to be set?
[01:36:06] <waddlesplash> dunno
[01:36:18] * waddlesplash didn't feel brave enough to look at VBox HDA source code
[01:36:30] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: if you know a fix, I'd much appreciate that
[01:37:32] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: it's quite easy to test; just set VBox to HDA controller
[01:39:53] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: How much are you paying me to delve into the hell that is BTextView? :-P
[01:39:59] <mmu_man> not today
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[01:47:28] <munchausen> Anyone know a magic flag to make gcc 2.95 accept declarations anywhere in a scope?
[01:48:11] <waddlesplash> munchausen: compile as C++
[01:48:24] <munchausen> Yeah not really an option I'm afraid
[01:48:49] <munchausen> That would probably cause a lot more headaches anyway (casting errors)
[01:49:29] <waddlesplash> well, then compile with GCC4
[01:49:43] <munchausen> I can't, it needs to link to userlandfs
[01:49:50] <mmu_man> you could try -std=gnu0x or something alike
[01:49:55] <mmu_man> but I don't think that'll work
[01:50:49] <munchausen> Ah, I guess I'll just have to go through the hundreds of changes in this file and make a patch
[01:51:07] <munchausen> Recon I've done over 50 already and still a lot of file left
[01:51:38] <mmu_man> C89?
[01:51:45] <mmu_man> not sure they'll accept the patch upstream :D
[01:51:56] <munchausen> I'm sure they wont :(
[01:51:59] <mmu_man> you sure you can't set CC=g++ ?
[01:52:03] <mmu_man> sometimes it works
[01:52:07] <mmu_man> even if it's ugly
[01:52:18] <mmu_man> XEmacs used to allow it explicitly
[01:52:55] <munchausen> trying it...
[01:53:14] <munchausen> My past experience is that you get a lot of cast errors on things like malloc
[01:53:44] <Vidrep> waddlesplash :D
[01:53:47] <mmu_man> ok where was it before this swpat thingy
[01:53:55] * mmu_man popping contexts
[01:54:13] <Vidrep> What's up with all the "Captcha Error" on trac?
[01:54:16] <mmu_man> curlftpfs configure.ac is 9y old ??
[01:54:17] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: I looked, but the BTextView layout code is a nuclear waste zone
[01:54:21] <mmu_man> or did they move out ot CVS ?
[01:54:46] * waddlesplash decides to look at a probably-just-as-bad Tracker crasher
[01:55:11] <mmu_man> didn't I say I was supposed to sleep?
[01:55:12] <Vidrep> I just spent 10 minutes writing up a description only to be rejected at least 10 times by Captcha
[01:55:23] <waddlesplash> :(
[01:55:31] <waddlesplash> and I don't have admin so I can't fix that
[01:55:34] <munchausen> mmu_man dunno, I just got a tarball for the last release which was a couple of years ago IIRC. But it's possible they didn't change configure.ac in that time
[01:55:35] <waddlesplash> I wonder if I can set any bits on your user
[01:55:52] <mmu_man> 05-Apr-2007 - Version 0.9.1 released
[01:55:55] <mmu_man> ok looks coherent
[01:55:58] <mmu_man> time flies
[01:56:21] <munchausen> Oh yeah.. I guess it wasn;t a couple of years
[01:57:18] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: I tried to increase your karma, I don't know if it worked
[01:57:23] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, "BTextView layout code is a nuclear waste zone". Unless we're satisfied with Haiku beta being released as "nuclear waste"
[01:57:38] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: Oh no, BTextView has always been a nuclear waste zone
[01:57:45] <waddlesplash> It's just a nuclear waste zone that works 80% of the time
[01:57:48] <Vidrep> It needs to be fixed sooner or later
[01:57:57] <waddlesplash> I'll let someone else do the honors
[01:58:15] <Vidrep> LOL
[01:58:47] <Vidrep> I'll try trac again. This time on an existing ticket...
[02:02:11] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I have karma again. Thanks!!
[02:02:53] <waddlesplash> np
[02:03:04] <mmu_man> When your mouse battery is empty
[02:03:09] <mmu_man> you know it's time to sleep
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[02:04:58] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: was Vision using the layout kit then?
[02:05:10] <waddlesplash> ... actually Vision isn't using the LK now, is it
[02:05:23] <waddlesplash> I'm trying to debug a use after free in Tracker atm tho
[02:10:48] <waddlesplash> oh NO
[02:10:51] <waddlesplash> there are TWO lists
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[02:17:07] <munchausen> right so runtime loader says it cannot open file _APP_ ... what's that about?
[02:20:22] <Vidrep> Time to go watch football. See you guys later.
[02:20:35] <Vidrep> Thanks for the trac fix
[02:20:38] <munchausen> ciao
[02:21:27] <Vidrep> Bye
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[02:26:35] <munchausen> I don't get this at all. _APP_ isn't listed as a dependency by objectdump. Where did it come from?
[02:29:27] <waddlesplash> idk
[02:29:33] <waddlesplash> I feel like I should remember tho
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[02:30:02] <munchausen> I'm wondering if I need -lbe or -lroot or something?
[02:34:20] <munchausen> nope they don't help
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[02:34:41] <munchausen> There're a few google hits but nothing explains whats actually happening. I'll ask someone tomorrow
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[02:41:25] <munchausen> Ah pants. It's a dependency of libuserlandfs_fuse.so
[02:41:49] <munchausen> Don't know what it should be linked to
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[02:52:52] <munchausen> waddlesplash maybe it should be a link to the appserver?
[02:53:26] <waddlesplash> maybe? idk
[02:56:04] <munchausen> waddlesplash how to I stop/start services?
[02:56:17] <munchausen> I think it's meant to be a link to the userlandfs_server
[02:58:43] <munchausen> hah. Yeah something's wrong with the userlandfs package I think. "ln -s /system/servers/userlandfs_server /system/non-packaged/lib/_APP_" fixed it
[03:01:20] <munchausen> Someone got an ftp server I can test on
[03:01:21] <munchausen> ?
[03:04:51] <munchausen> Doesn't look like it's working :(
[03:04:55] <waddlesplash> :(
[03:06:04] <munchausen> hmm. It is connecting ok
[03:06:17] <munchausen> Just not seeing any files
[03:06:24] <waddlesplash> munchausen: launch_roster for service control
[03:06:31] <waddlesplash> run --help ofc
[03:06:36] <waddlesplash> *oc
[03:08:21] <munchausen> hmm, doesn't seem to know about userlandfs_server
[03:09:28] <munchausen> ah, apparently it gets run automagically when you mount something
[03:09:44] <munchausen> "mount" doesn't list mounts like in linux
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/vK1ph
[08:04:16] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 6184249 - uchardet: create recipe. (#452)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #665: libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.2, keep and fix libgcrypt.la, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voX6d
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #665: libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.2, keep and fix libgcrypt.la, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voX6d
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #665: libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.2, keep and fix libgcrypt.la, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voX6d
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[10:51:18] <Begasus> morning
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[11:20:23] <postmen> hi Begasus
[11:23:05] <Begasus> hi postmen
[11:23:09] <Begasus> what's up there?
[11:25:55] <postmen> well, nothin' much, i just wondered if we could add codecademy to haiku or if you could add a haiku tutorial to codecademy, but it doesn't seem that simple, although they once planed on offerin' that feature.
[11:27:41] <Begasus> codeacademy?
[11:28:17] <stargate1> moin
[11:28:52] <Begasus> moin stargate1
[11:29:00] <postmen> u don't know? u should. althoug i'm not sure how usefull it is, since i forgot most about the courses i've done there and it's all covered with commercials by now.
[11:29:56] <stargate1> ah ok :-)
[11:29:56] <Begasus> I am a lumber from trade (not a coder) postmen ;)
[11:30:39] <Begasus> ah :D
[11:31:56] <Begasus> running Haiku atm, I don't want to stress the system to much watching youtube ;)
[11:32:04] <Begasus> but thanks :)
[11:35:37] <Begasus> ok, so something like an online teaching enviroment ... ps, the one from git looks interesting, maybe I should give that a go also in due time ;)
[11:36:11] <postmen> due time? what's that? ;)
[11:36:52] <Begasus> when I run into problems ^^
[11:37:49] <Begasus> I already created a file for most of the things I encountered with git for now :)
[11:37:51] <postmen> well, iirc its one of the shortest tutorials, there won't be much news to u i would guess in that tutorial.
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus synchronize pull request #679: libunistring, cleaned out layout according to the generic file, added… - https://git.io/vKOp3
[11:41:51] <Begasus> ok, that should be ok now :)
[11:53:33] <Begasus> hmm codeacademy doesn't seem to work on neither Web+ or Qupzilla
[11:53:42] <Begasus> ohwell ... no big deal atm :)
[11:58:37] <Begasus> seems to wok stargate1
[11:58:51] <Begasus> work*
[12:04:07] <Begasus> golang is also available for Haiku ;)
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[12:16:36] <stargate1> Begasus: i see in depot a old version, can you test ist ?
[12:17:24] <stargate1> also install go and write a hello.go app
[12:22:01] <Begasus> outside with the doggies off and on :)
[12:26:16] <stargate1> ok
[12:26:33] <stargate1> i need go with a dog too
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[13:24:25] <Begasus> hi Barrett
[13:25:07] <Begasus> anyone seen humdinger lately?
[13:48:39] <Begasus> bbl
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[13:59:30] <Barrett> hi Begas_afk
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[14:26:14] <mmu_man> lol
[14:28:08] <munchausen> Is anyone here using userlandfs?
[14:28:55] <munchausen> I was trying to work out why the curlftpfs plugin wasn't working and decided to try some other plugins, but can't find any that work
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[14:48:30] <Barrett> munchausen, you need fuse I think
[14:49:13] <Barrett> userlandfs -> fuse -> curlftpfs
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[15:05:33] <munchausen> Barrett yeah I'm linking to fuse
[15:05:47] <munchausen> Well, to libuserland_fs_fuse.so IIRC
[15:06:36] <munchausen> When I run mount I just get "Mount: Bad port ID"
[15:07:17] <munchausen> There are a few reports of the bug around but no solutions. The fuse based sshfs and has the same problem
[15:08:09] <munchausen> Maybe I'll file something on trak later
[15:11:35] <Barrett> oh that's because i think there's also an userland server to run
[15:12:16] <Barrett> check if it's running
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[15:19:22] <munchausen> Barrett I think it should get invoked when you mount
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[15:32:03] <munchausen> Barrett Nice find thanks I'll try that (gtg, child is trying to eat laptop)
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[15:54:19] <johnny_b> munchausen: get him/her some food instead of laptop 8p
[15:56:02] <munchausen> Barrett it works :D :D
[15:56:29] <Barrett> :)
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[16:23:57] <munchausen> [A
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[16:47:07] <kallisti5> huh.. I have an atheroswifi causing a KDL as well
[16:47:21] <kallisti5> I've been blacklisting it since my focus is intel_extreme
[16:50:57] <Barrett> I should really merge the BMediaClient branch and begin replacing nodes
[16:55:48] <Barrett> in my hopinion that latency model just doesn't work
[16:56:31] <Barrett> I can write up on paper and try to find a reliable solution, but anything ends up being a mess
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[18:29:38] <Skipp_OSX> stargate: that is quite a domain name that person has
[18:30:22] <stargate1> no
[18:30:27] <stargate1> ists a pastbin
[18:30:34] <stargate1> cli tool
[18:31:58] <Skipp_OSX> oh, well, it's a nice domain name that pastebin has
[18:41:09] <stargate1> Begasus: hi
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #689: fizmo, playinteractive fiction, also known as textadventures, new recipe - https://git.io/vKsrB
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKDIA
[18:44:27] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus ff31d5b - fizmo, playinteractive fiction, also known as textadventures, new recipe (#689)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #688: crimson, new recipe for CrimsonFields - https://git.io/vKs2R
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKDLJ
[18:45:41] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus 67c83d5 - crimson, new recipe for CrimsonFields (#688)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #681: libtorrent update - https://git.io/vK3MG
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKDLr
[18:49:34] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas 477be3c - libtorrent update (#681)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKDtq
[18:53:19] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus 3c5286b - smpeg2 new recipe (#668)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #668: smpeg2 new recipe - https://git.io/vo9st
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[19:06:04] <Begasus> humdinger!
[19:06:15] <humdinger> hullo Begasus!
[19:06:37] <Begasus> hi, did you have a chance to take a look at lgeneral?
[19:07:54] <humdinger> not really. I kept getting these errors that seem connected to the usage of "//" as comment ... err... directive.
[19:08:12] <humdinger> I tried replacing those with /* */
[19:08:29] <humdinger> but then it stumbled on some Haku provided file.
[19:08:32] <Begasus> right, for gcc2 the // ...// don't work as supposed to /* ... */
[19:08:44] <Begasus> indeed
[19:09:07] <humdinger> strange, because I use those all the time...
[19:09:09] <Begasus> iirc there was only one instance where I needed to add {} ...
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #718: git: bump to 2.9.2. - https://git.io/vKzHO
[19:09:30] <Begasus> for x86 it's not a problem ...
[19:09:42] <humdinger> also If I compile with gcc.
[19:09:47] <Begasus> but then I ran into probs trying to convert the pg_data :/
[19:09:54] <humdinger> I use // all the time to temporarily comment a line out.
[19:10:13] <Begasus> strange ...
[19:10:51] <Skipp_OSX> C89 uses /* */ comments exclusively, C99 uses // as well, gcc2.95 is stuck somewhere between the 2
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #718: git: bump to 2.9.2. - https://git.io/vKzHO
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vKDm8
[19:11:01] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 42b55f5 - git: bump to 2.9.2. (#718)
[19:11:37] <Begasus> that's what's happening in lgeneral new's release I think Skipp_OSX
[19:12:05] <Begasus> I can build lgeneral_x86 (but the pg_data fails)
[19:12:14] <Skipp_OSX> C++99 uses // so that's why it works sometimes, if it gcc interpreting the code as C++ it will work, only if it is interpreting the code as C will it complain
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #512: atool recipe - https://git.io/vK4lb
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKDmz
[19:12:31] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas e85cc83 - atool recipe (#512)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash labeled issue #720: Add a recipe for AliveJournal - https://git.io/vKzQH
[19:13:46] <humdinger> Begasus: Any idea why fizmo doesn' build for me?
[19:13:54] <humdinger> stops with:
[19:13:56] <humdinger> Fetching package for lib:libflac_x86 >= 8.3.0 ...
[19:13:56] <humdinger> Nothing to do.
[19:13:57] <humdinger> 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'packageInfo'
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash labeled issue #694: Add a recipe for PeopleEdit - https://git.io/vK8wV
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash labeled issue #662: icebreaker: Sound not working - https://git.io/voolE
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash labeled issue #663: icebreaker: settings "hardcoded" - https://git.io/voo4g
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[19:16:05] <Begasus> that's what I have so far for lgeneral humdinger .. it builds and works, just not the pg_data
[19:16:37] <Begasus> ps ... that's for lgeneral_x86
[19:17:02] <Begasus> on gcc2 it still fails (didn't create a patch for it as it involved so many files)
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKDYs
[19:17:24] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas 32360d4 - Xorg fontutil recipe (#680)
[19:17:59] <Begasus> thanks waddlesplash :) (for cleaning up the PR's) :)
[19:19:28] <waddlesplash> I'll do more this weekend :)
[19:21:14] <Begasus> +
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[19:29:35] <stargate1> Begasus: have you time?
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[19:33:10] <Begasus> sec .. first sigarete :)
[19:33:53] <Begasus> k ... humdinger ... I know that there has been an update on flac recently, maybe that could have caused this?
[19:34:05] <Begasus> stargate1 .. what's up :)
[19:37:25] <stargate1> can you test go?
[19:37:59] <stargate1> from haiku depot
[19:38:16] <Begasus> checking fizmo atm, will have a look at it in a bit
[19:38:25] <stargate1> ok
[19:38:55] <Begasus> ps humdinger ...
[19:39:50] <Begasus> fizmo_x86 still builds ok here
[19:42:46] <Begasus> fatal: loose object 87bc25ad5d82d8e419d5c3e0367c15d0509ff116 (stored in .git/objects/87/bc25ad5d82d8e419d5c3e0367c15d0509ff116) is corrupt
[19:42:51] <Begasus> bugger ...
[19:43:11] <humdinger> Begasus: Indeed. adter updaing libflac all is well. thianks for the hint!
[19:43:21] <Begasus> ;)
[19:43:34] <humdinger> Do you have any URLs for actual adventures to play?
[19:44:00] <humdinger> We could add those at least to the description in the recipe.
[19:44:30] <Begasus> you can find some stuff there too :)
[19:45:14] <humdinger> Begasus: ah that's where I got that URL too. :)
[19:45:21] <Begasus> ~/haikuports> git pull
[19:45:22] <Begasus> error: inflate: data stream error (incorrect header check)
[19:45:22] <Begasus> fatal: loose object 87bc25ad5d82d8e419d5c3e0367c15d0509ff116 (stored in .git/objects/87/bc25ad5d82d8e419d5c3e0367c15d0509ff116) is corrupt
[19:45:43] <Begasus> can I just delete the responsible file/link?
[19:46:29] <humdinger> maybe try "git tighten 87bc25ad5d82d8e419d5c3e0367c15d0509ff116"
[19:46:36] <humdinger> joking
[19:47:21] * Begasus slaps humdinger .. trying to get git back into order ;)
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[19:48:00] <Begasus> looks like the system froze on me earlier ... had to do a cold reboot
[19:48:57] <Begasus> wb postmen
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[19:53:13] <Begasus> k .. back on par :)
[19:53:16] <Begasus> hi Lelldorin1
[19:53:55] <Lelldorin1> hi Begasus
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[19:56:50] <Begasus> that was fast :)
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[19:57:14] <Begasus> stargate1 .. aranging some stuff here so will get back to you in a bit :)
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[20:00:10] <Lelldorin1> need to install a current haiku
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[20:00:39] <Begasus> just use a nightly and then afterwards do "pkgman update" from Terminal :)
[20:00:50] <Begasus> no need to re-install every time :)
[20:01:23] <Lelldorin1> i want a clear version , because my default it 49162
[20:01:25] <Lelldorin1> very old
[20:01:43] <Lelldorin1> and i does not want to destroy all my setting eventualy
[20:02:13] <mmu_man> you need to change the repository urls to point to "current" instead of the hrev
[20:03:30] <humdinger> Begasus: I'll add those URLs to the fizmo description then. Should I also remove the commented out lines (patches, libiconv)?
[20:04:11] <humdinger> Begasus: oops, confused that with the lgeneral recipe.
[20:04:13] <humdinger> nm
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[20:05:26] <Begasus> hehe ... was already looking into the recipe where those came from humdinger ;)
[20:06:34] <Begasus> Lelldorin1 ... "pkgman list-repo" should give you a clue on weather you'r good to update :)
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[20:07:22] <Lelldorin1> Begasus: i know but i does not want to destroy my old build with all my settings
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<Not-c51b> [haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKDcS
[20:09:20] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] humdingerb 46063b7 - Fizmo: Small changes to description
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[20:10:44] <Begasus> Lelldorin1 ... then it's best to have one Haiku boot with your "safe" settings, and one Haiku boot with experimantel updates (but I doubt it would interfere with your settings)
[20:11:23] <Lelldorin1> Begasus: sure thats why i will make a clear install
[20:12:15] <Begasus> humdinger ... empty newline in "DESCRIPTION"?
[20:12:43] <humdinger> yes. looks better IMO
[20:13:17] <Begasus> don't think that one is in the general file yet ;)
[20:13:40] <Begasus> I thought empty lines are not accepted in the description?
[20:14:28] <humdinger> they are. Looks through HaikuDepot for packages with longer text passages.
[20:14:32] <Begasus> maybe it would be better to "touch" a file with the content on where to find possible links?
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[20:15:32] <humdinger> Begasus: like a readme. but where to put it... ?
[20:15:43] <Begasus> once installed I doubt the user will look into the description of a pkg to find where he/she could find them ...
[20:15:46] <Begasus> yeah
[20:16:55] <Begasus> ... back again on the meaning of installing apps/cmd in $appsDir ... $prefix ;)
[20:17:43] <Begasus> don't know if the manpage for fizmo mentions the site humdinger?
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[20:25:04] <humdinger> no URLs in the manpage. I think it's enough in the hpkg description.
[20:25:45] <humdinger> it's quite a niche app anyway, and those users probably even know the URL for adventures even before looking for an app to play them.
[20:30:56] <Begasus> +1 ;)
[20:32:13] <Begasus> first one so far (ifaik) that's running with SDL2 ;) (even if it's cli) :)
[20:33:01] <Begasus> did a few, but those mostly rely on GL ...
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[20:33:50] <Begasus> stargate1 .. golang installs fine with "pkgman install golang_x86" you can test it :)
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[20:40:32] <stargate1> Begasus: can you open a terminal ang type
[20:40:41] <stargate1> go env
[20:41:03] <stargate1> can you put the output on pastbin
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[20:45:39] <Lelldorin1> now on current haiku :-)
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[20:50:07] <Paradoxon> is there any way to force the installer to ignore the home directory?
[20:52:14] <Begasus> stargate1 .. pasted the outcom in PM .. next time you could check it out yourself by using a vmware image of Haiku :)
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[20:53:02] <Begasus> */ removing golang ...
[20:58:11] <Vidrep> Hi
[21:00:00] <Begasus> hi Vidrep
[21:01:14] <Vidrep> Hi Begasus
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[21:05:58] <stargate1> Begasus: thx lloks good
[21:06:14] <stargate1> Begasus: where dit this port?
[21:06:53] <Begasus> I don't know stargate1 ... downloaded the latest version and saw that it isn't an easy task to port it again to Haiku
[21:07:16] <Begasus> it needs 1.5 (iirc) to be able to build the latest version
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[21:26:58] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett
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[21:40:26] <Paradoxon> so any way to install haiku without my home folder?
[21:42:41] <mmu_man> ??
[21:43:18] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
[21:43:29] <miqlas-H> mmu_man, tanks for the nice article!
[21:43:37] <Begasus> Haiku without a home folder?
[21:43:39] <Begasus> hi miqlas-H
[21:43:52] <miqlas-H> Oh, Bega, hi!
[21:44:18] <miqlas-H> I just bought a new phone, state-of-art Ericsson T28s!
[21:44:20] <Begasus> sky is turning red here ...
[21:44:37] <miqlas-H> Bega: drink less red wine.
[21:45:25] <Begasus> me and wine? :P
[21:46:23] <miqlas-H> I'm surwine is not an emulator
[21:46:56] <Begasus> it is :P
[21:49:32] <Paradoxon> no i have 30 GB in my home folder
[21:49:56] <Paradoxon> and of course i dont want all Videos / Downloads / sources on my usb stick
[21:50:08] <Paradoxon> actually wich is only 8 GB big :-D
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[21:53:07] <mmu_man> Paradoxon: oh you want to install your current disk on a usb stick but skipping home/ ?
[21:53:17] <Lelldorin1> i hate this bug
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[21:53:39] <mmu_man> hmm I think Installer skips some things but I'm not sure
[21:53:45] <mmu_man> like /optional maybe
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[21:55:46] <Begasus> Lelldorin1 ... just tested it (also running 50443) here ... no problem, I can edit it with SE and PE no prob ...
[21:57:07] <Lelldorin1> Begasus; i not
[21:58:06] <Begasus> Lelldorin1 .. running native or virtual?
[21:58:29] <Lelldorin1> any time, all the years native
[21:58:36] <Begasus> well ... not that I could be of any use her probably ;)
[21:59:31] <Lelldorin1> thats the bigest problem the devs use virtual machines and does not test things on native systems... think so
[22:00:35] <miqlas-H> Lelldorin1: 50440 works correctly
[22:00:36] <jessicah> Begasus: you can download an anyboot image, mount it by double clicking, then use Installer
[22:01:03] <jessicah> but we probably need to add an option to Installer...
[22:01:34] <Begasus> just checked, oldest hrev I have on my system atm is 49173 (probably when it was installed at that time)
[22:01:45] <Lelldorin1> miqlas-H: so i have again the luck to get a system with this error
[22:02:02] <Begasus> jessicah ... I don't need an new install ;) I'm pretty fine as is :)
[22:02:28] <mmu_man> Lelldorin1: you can try this:
[22:02:47] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: I Use only real hardware
[22:03:20] <mmu_man> create a folder at the root of the volume named _packages_ or _sources_ or rr_moved
[22:03:24] <mmu_man> move your stuff here
[22:03:26] <mmu_man> install
[22:03:32] <mmu_man> move it back to home/
[22:03:52] <mmu_man> those directories are ignored by the Installer copy engine
[22:04:21] <mmu_man> names are with the underscores
[22:04:33] <Begasus> one thing I can stand by with Lelldorin1 is that when I unzip a folder (no mather being it on the Desktop or in Home) there "can" be files that are write protected ...
[22:05:03] <Begasus> I have had numurous(?) times I had to set "configure" to writable ...
[22:05:20] <mmu_man> configure ?
[22:05:24] <mmu_man> from app sources ?
[22:05:28] <Begasus> yep
[22:05:30] <mmu_man> they are not supposed to be changed usually
[22:05:45] <mmu_man> we change them because the .ac are wrong usually
[22:05:48] <mmu_man> so we have to regenerate them
[22:05:55] <Begasus> well .. -lm doesn't agree on some parts ;)
[22:05:56] <mmu_man> but they are not meant to
[22:06:12] <mmu_man> 22:05 < mmu_man> we change them because the .ac are wrong usually
[22:06:14] <mmu_man> what I said
[22:06:32] <Begasus> yeah ... I know now how to fix that without editing them
[22:06:51] <PulkoMandy> I don't see this problem because vim doesn't care about file permissions
[22:07:15] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: except when editting symlinks
[22:07:17] <mmu_man> :D
[22:07:22] <Begasus> I use PE to edit files PulkoMandy (don't know about others)
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[22:07:57] <Lelldorin1> mmu_man: that should this told to me? i am not a c++ developer i does not understand it
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[22:08:54] <Lelldorin1> i am dev in yab and user, tutorial writer, tester
[22:08:57] <mmu_man> that's just the names of the ignored folders
[22:09:23] <Begasus> even then ... I usualy test a download and unzip it to the desktop ... then test it if it builds ...
[22:09:35] <Lelldorin1> but i get a text file created with the right mouse menu write protected
[22:09:37] * mmu_man uses a proper SCM
[22:09:39] <Begasus> so at that time not even using haikuporter yet
[22:09:51] <mmu_man> when porting I start with the current HEAD
[22:10:02] <mmu_man> send as much as possible upstream
[22:10:18] <mmu_man> then write a recipe for a recent release
[22:10:33] <Begasus> once the build is ok I start using haikuporter to write a recipe and go from there ...
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[22:10:53] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: you can change the permissions of the template
[22:10:53] <mmu_man> but porting from a release is like trying to fix things that might already be fixed
[22:10:58] <mmu_man> I've done my share :)
[22:11:05] <Begasus> :)
[22:11:06] <PulkoMandy> it is then copied directly, so if the template is right, all new files will be right
[22:11:32] <PulkoMandy> (in ~/config/settings/Tracker/Tracker New Templates)
[22:11:42] <Begasus> oh my ... forgot the templates :)
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[22:13:20] <Lelldorin1> PulkoMandy: thanks, but wich user know this?
[22:13:34] <PulkoMandy> it's in the user guide IIRC :)
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[22:14:16] <PulkoMandy> and if it isn't yet, we should add it
[22:14:19] <Lelldorin1> but is this the right way? who read this manual testing haiku before
[22:14:24] <Paradoxon> jessica thats how i do all the time buts its a little anoying to (knowing that i have a up to date install)
[22:14:42] <Paradoxon> anyway the install optional should be updated to pkgman anyway
[22:15:32] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: the file should be writable in the default install
[22:15:42] <PulkoMandy> it is on my install, at least
[22:15:49] <Paradoxon> may add a second Outline List view with the folderstructure to select what to install from the source medium
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[22:16:36] <Vidrep> I was just looking at ticket #10347 again (MS mouse completely non-functional)
[22:16:43] <Lelldorin1> PulkoMandy: a file that can created over teh menu by the user need to be write able any time
[22:17:02] <mmu_man> Vidrep: does it hang input_server?
[22:17:11] <mmu_man> it's probably something in the pc_serial driver
[22:17:43] <Vidrep> Thinking it may have worked in the past, I installed Alpha 1-4 on a spare partition. No go. So, it has never worked
[22:18:25] <Vidrep> I'd like to redo that ticket, starting with a fresh slate, so to speak
[22:19:03] <PulkoMandy> Lelldorin1: it is if the template is correct
[22:19:14] <PulkoMandy> and if the user wants to make a template for readonly files, why noy?
[22:19:17] <PulkoMandy> not?
[22:19:25] <Vidrep> What complicates things is that this mouse is completely non-functional on one particular PC, but not another
[22:19:33] <Lelldorin1> PulkoMandy: sure
[22:22:29] <Vidrep> mmu_man, nothing else hangs. Just no mouse functions. LED lights up.
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[22:26:54] <Vidrep> This mouse doesn't work on PC1 with Intel chipset. It does work on PC2 with Nvidia chipset (slow and jerky, but working)
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[22:27:17] <Vidrep> Suggestions????
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[22:28:23] <mmu_man> serial mouse ?
[22:29:49] <Begasus> PulkoMandy mmu_man ... the file permissiong of the template and a newly created file on the Desktop (but I am still able to edit and save the file without changing the permissions) ...
[22:30:34] <Begasus> hmm ... link isn't right ...
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[22:30:39] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] pulkomandy 94f5931 - Allow utf-8 in archives.
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[22:33:11] <Begasus> k ... seems like that one is working ok :)
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[22:39:45] <postmen> who the hell is hannah?
[22:46:00] <miqlas-H> hannah montana
[22:46:09] <miqlas-H> use google.
[22:46:30] <postmen> oh, sh's hot - but not as hot as trumps daughter. ^^
[22:47:01] <miqlas-H> omg, they have plastic DNA
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[22:47:38] <postmen> ^^
[22:47:56] <mmu_man> postmen: in which context?
[22:48:40] <mmu_man> We had a GCI student named Hannah last year :p
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[22:50:17] <mmu_man> postmen: yeah that was likely done as a GCI task
[22:50:28] <mmu_man> the date is coherent
[22:51:01] <postmen> so it's not a girl? :(
[22:51:09] <mmu_man> she is
[22:52:40] <postmen> ahh, chinese - who would have guessed!?
[22:53:07] <mmu_man> actually she lives in the US, close to SFO :p
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[23:12:46] <Vidrep> mmu_man, no, a MS usb mouse
[23:14:37] <mmu_man> ah ok
[23:14:42] <mmu_man> nothing to do with pc_serial then
[23:15:19] <Vidrep> MicroSoft Comfort Mouse 6000 Model 1478
[23:16:11] <Vidrep> Serial mouse? I'm not retro computing here
[23:16:20] <Begasus> :D
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[23:21:23] <postmen> i still have an adapter here, serial to ps2 or so.
[23:22:28] <Begasus> k .. 'nough for today :) g'night peeps
[23:23:23] <postmen> good night Begasus, i mean, i don't believe you wanna leave us ..
[23:24:44] <Begasus> look ...
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[23:25:25] <postmen> maybe a secon referendum had been a good idea
[23:28:34] <mmu_man> on ?
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[23:29:26] <postmen> whether leavin' #haiku or not.
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[23:32:25] <postmen> it's an all european joke i guess. ^^
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