July 21, 2016 
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July 21, 2016 [00:02:25] <stargater> https://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/doku.php?id=boards:ecb:mini-68k:start[00:04:10] <stargater> https://www.retrobrewcomputers.org/doku.php?id=boards:ecb:kiss-68030:start[00:08:02] <mmu_man> nice wiki[00:09:43] *** geoid__ <geoid__!~geoid@2a02:c7d:9b86:6300:28e5:119c:224c:459a> has quit IRC (Quit: Lingo: www.lingoirc.com)[00:11:30] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:11:32] <stargater> jop[00:12:04] <stargater> mmu_man: thats is the www , no twitter, no facebook[00:12:45] <mmu_man> the Web 1.0 :)[00:12:55] <stargater> the true[00:14:21] <stargater> i playing mit golang, thats nice too, i can build a progrom on any platforms, so i code on linux and build it for win10[00:19:21] <postmen> any but beos[00:21:27] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:26:44] <mmu_man> should work on Haiku now though[00:28:30] *** Bigcheese_ is now known as Bigcheese[00:35:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:35:44] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db489f0.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[00:35:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[00:35:57] <Vidrep> Hi[00:37:04] <postmen> hi Vidrep[00:39:47] <Vidrep> Hey[00:40:03] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db489f0.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:44:40] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-188-104-188-161.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:46:19] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B150B0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:54:39] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:55:30] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:56:44] *** bbjimmy-atwork- <bbjimmy-atwork-!~vision@67.219.228.234> has joined #haiku[00:57:22] <Vidrep> Does anybody know what, if any difference there is between Vision 0.9.7 and 0.9.8 (haikuports)?[01:01:27] <mmu_man> .8 is svn HEAD ?[01:02:59] <Vidrep> I built 0.9.8 from the recipe in haikuports. I'm using it now.[01:10:30] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[01:17:35] <Vidrep> mmu_man, that's what's in the repository'[01:18:02] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:18:22] <Vidrep> mmu_man, any idea about it?[01:20:08] <mmu_man> ah no it's a release[01:20:34] <mmu_man> oh .7 is maybe the last SVN rev[01:20:42] <mmu_man> I didn't notice they moved to github[01:20:56] <mmu_man> or did they[01:22:01] <Skipp_OSX> I think the latest is on HaikuArchives on GIthub but I don't really know anymore[01:24:42] <Vidrep> Looking at the recipe file for both I see homepage for 0.9.7 is sourceforge, whereas 0.9.8 is github[01:27:09] <Vidrep> The recipes are quite different in a few areas. 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now known as coup_de_shitlord[05:20:26] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50440 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a6c1049a5509+%5E02283e080cbb[05:20:27] <HAIKU-irker848> a6c1049a5509: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[06:35:28] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@2001:470:1f07:238:1e6f:65ff:fed3:eba8> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[06:36:46] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[06:38:08] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[06:38:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[06:43:18] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:50:48] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has joined #haiku[07:29:45] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[07:40:50] *** Sir_Designer 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hello[10:21:07] <kneekoo> I wanted to register on the Haiku website and I got "The e-mail address ... has been denied access."[10:21:19] <kneekoo> I don't remember being naughty :)[10:21:40] <kneekoo> are the registrations closed?[10:22:11] <stargater> no[10:23:09] <kneekoo> then only pre-approved e-mails are allowed at the moment?[10:25:13] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:25:48] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[10:27:12] <stargater> try again, register at first[10:27:24] <stargater> then look in your mails[10:27:32] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:28:36] <kneekoo> stargater: it's the same[10:31:04] <stargater> kneekoo: write in the ml about your problem to the web team mailinglist -> https://www.freelists.org/list/haiku-web[10:32:49] <kneekoo> thanks for the tip but that list is public, so I can't just put my e-mail in there[10:33:24] <kneekoo> I can hang around here and see if a webmaster can help me[10:40:18] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[11:01:43] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: stippi)[11:16:43] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:17:12] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:24:15] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[11:24:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:27:37] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:34:32] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[11:38:18] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[11:39:17] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[11:53:20] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has joined #haiku[12:06:51] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[12:07:29] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:10:22] <munchausen> So it looks like all the packageconfig definitions in haiku hpkgs give funny paths like /packages/<package name>/.self/food/bar/something/something[12:10:39] <munchausen> When you just want to build something without using a recipe this really screws things up[12:11:21] <munchausen> Is there a way around that, other than specifying PACKAGENAME_CFLAGS and PACKAGENAME_CFLAGS manually for all dependent packages before calling configure?[12:11:42] <munchausen> sorry second one should be PACKAGENAME_LIBS!![12:22:45] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[12:38:12] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:02:41] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[13:03:10] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.130.19.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[13:03:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[13:06:56] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[13:07:27] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:18:30] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:18:55] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[13:37:01] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.130.19.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[13:39:01] <munchausen> I'm writing a recipe now, but I get a "Parse error in .PackageInfo(33:5) -> invalid URL" when I try to have haikuporter build it. This happens just after it has downloaded the tarball.[13:39:27] <munchausen> I looked in the work directory at the PackageInfo file and the URL on line 33 looks fine[13:40:00] <munchausen> Can anyone suggest what might cause this issue?[13:40:29] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[13:53:55] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:54:34] <munchausen> Ok turns out the haikuporter package in the repos is broken, you have to download from git :([13:59:04] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[13:59:55] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:10:10] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:15:59] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/vKPFN[14:16:00] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson be9df9c - exiftool: bump to 10.23 (but keep latest production release, 10.20).[14:39:01] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:44:08] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:45:22] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[15:21:07] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has joined #haiku[15:31:32] <munchausen> Hmm, when I do "haikuporter --lint" I get: descriptor 'lower' requires a 'str' object but received a 'unicode'[15:31:41] <munchausen> And nothing else. What's going on!?[15:34:41] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[15:41:32] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:46:02] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has joined #haiku[15:47:41] <munchausen> mmu_man you don't know this haikuporter error (when doing a --lint) by any chance?: descriptor 'lower' requires a 'str' object but received a 'unicode'[15:52:43] <munchausen> Hmm ok was a bug in haikuporter[15:53:31] <mmu_man> yes probably[15:53:39] <mmu_man> due to UTF-8 chars[15:53:43] <mmu_man> like accented chars[15:53:47] <mmu_man> in some recipe field[15:54:20] <munchausen> Yeah there's a closed bug on github for it, I'll add a comment about the missing fix[15:54:36] <munchausen> It needed a line in Main.py changed from "str.lower" to "unicode.lower"[15:56:15] <mmu_man> just make sure it doesn't break elsewhere[15:57:21] <munchausen> Yeah I'm not sure about that yet[15:57:34] <munchausen> But I left a comment anyway.[15:58:57] <munchausen> mmu_man I've got a relaly annoying problem with glib2 and the .la file: it appears to list as a linking dependency a specific version of gettext-libintl[16:00:24] <munchausen> So I'm getting an error when trying to build: /packages/gettext-0.18.1.1-6/.self/develop/lib/libintl.la: No such file or directory[16:00:44] <munchausen> (I have a newer version of gettext)[16:01:20] <munchausen> I seem to remember this was talked about on the mailing list a fairly long time ago, but I think the resolution was that it wasn't a real problem[16:01:26] <mmu_man> yeah, that's usual with .la files[16:01:44] <mmu_man> most of the times we can just remove the .la[16:02:35] <munchausen> I think I'm either going to have to (a) patch the port I'm working on, (b) build glib2 against a newer gettext version or (c) install the old gettext version[16:02:40] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8698cb.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:02:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:03:23] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.102> has joined #haiku[16:05:22] <munchausen> something else is broken here too, trying to build glib2 gives me "failed to find a match for "devel:libpcre" but I can see libpcre list that as a provides[16:05:46] <munchausen> (That's why I was trying to lint before)[16:09:33] <munchausen> Oh yeah the glib recipe should have removed the la files but it hasn't[16:15:22] *** stargater_Cr <stargater_Cr!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:16:59] <humdinger> munchausen: doesn't work with libpcre-8.33 that's in HaikuDepot, but does when you build libpcre-8.39 with haikuporter and install that.[16:17:18] <humdinger> munchausen: or not.[16:17:36] <humdinger> the compile still fails, but not with the libpcre error... :}[16:17:45] <munchausen> boo[16:17:48] <munchausen> thanks though[16:18:10] <humdinger> I'm compiling under gcc2h with "_x86".[16:18:12] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:18:22] <humdinger> maybe it'll work on a gcc4 as 1st arch?[16:18:38] <munchausen> I will build that version of libpcre in a mo. Just trying to figure out how to stop this makefile from looking at .la files[16:18:48] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:18:55] <munchausen> I'm also using ggc2h, but was just trying to build with gcc 2.95[16:19:00] <munchausen> *gcc2h[16:19:24] <humdinger> It does say:[16:19:27] <humdinger> ARCHITECTURES="?x86_gcc2 x86 ?x86_64"[16:19:27] <humdinger> SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="?x86_gcc2 ?x86"[16:19:33] <humdinger> a lot of ?...[16:19:54] <munchausen> It is in the repo though right?[16:20:01] <munchausen> (the gcc2 version?)[16:20:15] <munchausen> Actually, also, are you talking about pcre or glib now?[16:20:24] <humdinger> glib2[16:20:46] <humdinger> in haikudepot there's glib2 v2.38.1[16:21:00] <humdinger> in haikuports we're currently at 2.48.1[16:22:23] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B1519F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:23:54] <munchausen> yeah[16:24:33] <munchausen> hmm. Maybe I should just rebuild 2.38.1 against the version of gettext I have here[16:25:05] <humdinger> but why not just use the one from HaikuDepot?[16:25:12] <humdinger> aha.[16:25:16] <humdinger> sorry, misread...[16:25:19] <munchausen> Look up ^^[16:25:20] <munchausen> Yeah[16:26:17] <munchausen> Something is wrong with the glib2 recipe anyway because it isn't removing the la files (even though it has a line in BUILD() to do thath)[16:27:26] <munchausen> I can see why we need a release...[16:28:56] <humdinger> At least the glib2.2.38 version from HaikuDepot doesn't have those .la files...[16:29:13] <munchausen> Really?[16:29:18] <humdinger> just checked[16:29:20] <munchausen> WTH...?[16:29:42] <humdinger> your machine is haunted[16:29:48] <humdinger> ghost .la files[16:34:14] <munchausen> inside my chroot I have /boot/system/develop/lib/libglib-2.0.la[16:34:50] <munchausen> How can I list files in an hpkg?[16:34:51] <humdinger> yes, but the removing of .la is done in INSTALL(). so it won't be in the package.[16:35:10] <munchausen> Sorry, that's inside the chroot for the thing I'm trying to port[16:35:32] <humdinger> "package list"[16:35:34] <munchausen> Which has glib2-2.38.1 hpkg from haikuports[16:38:35] <munchausen> yeah ok, I have to say sorry to the packagers: I was wrong, there are no .la files in any of the packages on my system[16:38:53] <munchausen> I've been on a wild goose chase: autoreconf -fi creates .la files :([16:39:14] * humdinger throws a duck into the mix[16:42:07] <postmen> what?[16:45:00] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!6d5a6c38@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.90.108.56> has joined #haiku[16:48:51] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:49:14] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:57:08] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:57:32] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-088-022.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:02:16] <postmen> remix laesst sich wie beos früher in einer datei installieren![17:16:31] *** geoid <geoid!~geoid@213.205.198.102> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:31:07] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@197.203.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #haiku[17:31:27] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8698cb.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8pre9]: Oi, with the poodles already!)[17:32:09] *** HaikuUser is now known as Wamphyre[17:32:16] <Wamphyre> Hi everybody[17:40:40] <postmen> hi[17:46:49] <Wamphyre> I'm happy after discover that now, Webpositive and Qupzilla have HTML5 support, last time I installed Haiku was 1 year ago![17:47:25] <postmen> well, that's nice. so we have one happy customer.[17:48:15] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:49:08] <postmen> Wamphyre, installed in vm or in real?[17:50:16] <Wamphyre> real hardware[17:51:13] <Wamphyre> I really don't like virtual machines beyond experimentation[17:51:47] <Wamphyre> If you want to feel an OS you need to install it on real hardware[17:53:51] <postmen> well, if the hardware is supported ...[17:54:02] <Wamphyre> of course[17:55:39] <Wamphyre> I'm running on a AMD Athlon II x2 250 3.2GHz / 8GB DDR3 1600MHz / MOBO Asus M5A78L-MLX / XFX R7 250[17:55:47] <Wamphyre> Haiku works like a charm[17:57:30] <postmen> uhhh, that's the wrong hardware. 320 mhz and 256mb ram would be better for haiku to show what it got so u notice a difference and feel the burn ;)[17:58:02] <mmu_man> I've got a 2*133MHz box with 128MB here[17:58:04] <mmu_man> :D[17:58:15] <mmu_man> but it's not running Haiku yet[17:58:49] <postmen> mmu_man: what else? Win 2k? i guess not.[18:00:25] <postmen> ah, u mean the bebox u posted photos of? well, i've still got the inofficial bebox here.[18:00:34] <postmen> an abit bp6[18:01:31] <Wamphyre> Yeap I know that the real feeling with Haiku on my hardware isn't the great, But it's feel much faster and more responsive than Linux and Windows 10, and that's a goal for me[18:01:36] <mmu_man> I also have a BP6[18:01:46] <mmu_man> didn't use it for some time[18:01:55] <mmu_man> too noisy with SCSI disks :)[18:02:51] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-151-196.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[18:18:09] <postmen> well, haven't used in in a while either.[18:18:42] <postmen> Wamphyre, actually, i think it shouldn't make any difference on the hardware u use if u use ubuntu, lubuntu, windows or haiku.[18:21:01] <postmen> hi oxygene[18:23:55] *** hydraz is now known as hydrez[18:25:54] <postmen> u know what i would love to have? an transparent irc client, that shows up in front, transparent, for a moment if someone writes a message and fades back to the background 3s later again.[18:26:15] *** hydrez is now known as hydraz[18:28:46] <mmu_man> Vision actually sends notifications[18:28:52] <mmu_man> on highlights[18:29:31] <postmen> well, but those are only singular lines or? means, if u missed one, you gotta switch into .[18:29:45] <mmu_man> yep[18:30:22] <postmen> i think mirc and some other are transparent, but that's not actually what i'm lookin' for, having the chat window always on top.[18:31:28] <postmen> but if vision notifies u i guess i will write less. don't wonna disturb anybody workin' on haiku.[18:33:39] <mmu_man> just highlights[18:33:49] <mmu_man> postmen: < nick highlights[18:34:22] <postmen> is vision open source? is it still continued?[18:38:06] <mmu_man> yes, yes although not much activity now[18:38:14] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:40:29] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:45:26] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:45:56] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[18:49:00] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:49:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[18:49:21] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:49:21] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[18:50:07] * PulkoMandy has setup bitlbee to get google talk and MSN contacts in Vision. Works nicely :)[18:57:03] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[18:57:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[18:57:10] <mmu_man> cool[18:58:01] <mmu_man> Barrett: btw, if you want test files... http://samples.libav.org/ & http://samples.ffmpeg.org/[18:59:22] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:00:12] <Barrett> mmu_man, thanks will bookmark it[19:00:37] <mmu_man> some GB :p[19:00:45] <mmu_man> both should be mostly the same[19:03:45] *** StephanParseBNF <StephanParseBNF!~stephane@APoitiers-656-1-531-144.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[19:05:41] <Barrett> it's a pity to look on random sites for sample files[19:06:58] <postmen> what are u testin or lookin' for?[19:08:54] <Barrett> nothing in particular right now[19:12:59] *** Anarchos <Anarchos!~K@35.58.135.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #haiku[19:13:04] *** StephanParseBNF_ <StephanParseBNF_!~stephane@37.160.206.17> has joined #haiku[19:14:20] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:16:35] <postmen> btw, ubuntu has an amazon linke, haiku-os.org doesn't even have an link to amazon on their main website. is that for a reason?[19:16:52] <postmen> a link like https://www.amazon.de/POSIX-Programmers-Guide-Portable-Classique/dp/0937175730/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469121361&sr=8-1&keywords=posix wouldn't hurt anybody.[19:17:06] *** StephanParseBNF <StephanParseBNF!~stephane@APoitiers-656-1-531-144.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:17:06] *** StephanParseBNF_ is now known as StephanParseBNF[19:17:33] <Barrett> it would be a good way to raise additional donations[19:18:24] <Anarchos> hi everybody[19:19:21] *** stargater_Cr <stargater_Cr!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[19:20:39] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:21:58] <Vidrep> Hey[19:22:43] <Vidrep> Barrett, I have a question about UltraDV[19:23:03] <Barrett> yep[19:24:09] <Vidrep> Since UltraDV was originally designed back in 1998/1999, when HD video was not so common as now[19:24:56] <Vidrep> Is your rework going to take that into consideration i.e. HD video editing capability?[19:27:28] <Vidrep> This UltraDV preview states that it is "MediaKit savvy" (http://testou.free.fr/www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/aboutbe/pressreleases/98-11-12_mediapede.html)[19:28:26] <Vidrep> So, does that mean that it will be using ffmpeg as a transcoder, rather than all the separate codecs we used to see in BeOS?[19:30:34] <Barrett> no one really want to keep those old codecs around[19:30:47] <Vidrep> Of course not[19:34:07] <Vidrep> Maybe this is a question best addressed in a forum post, or your blog, rather than IRC[19:37:23] <Barrett> Vidrep, there's not much to answer it will depend on ffmpeg export abilities[19:37:44] <Barrett> but really this is the least of problems atm[19:38:23] <Barrett> as far as I can see there's not export code actually[19:40:39] <Vidrep> I'll post to your blog[19:40:58] <Barrett> ...[19:41:04] <Vidrep> I know you're only a couple of days into this[19:41:45] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yktbvuqwqehkcaeg> has joined #haiku[19:43:29] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[19:43:49] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has joined #haiku[19:46:26] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wezzdbszqnvhddvf> has joined #haiku[19:46:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[19:47:36] <mmu_man> Vidrep: if you really want it, ffmpeg can encode to old crappy things like Cinepak[19:48:35] <Vidrep> I don't want the old crappy codecs, but the ability to edit modern HD video[19:48:58] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: that's built in to Haiku[19:49:05] <Vidrep> The question is whether an old app like UltraDV can be made to do that[19:49:14] <waddlesplash> afaict, UltraDV has no codecs in it[19:49:17] <waddlesplash> it relied on BeOS codecs[19:49:37] <waddlesplash> um, if it uses the media kit raw , well yes[19:49:48] *** StephanParseBNF_ <StephanParseBNF_!~stephane@APoitiers-656-1-531-144.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[19:49:52] <waddlesplash> it's a matter of what the internal format of UltraDV is[19:50:08] <Barrett> no UltraDV has it's own codecs[19:50:13] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!6d5a6c38@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.90.108.56> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[19:50:13] <waddlesplash> I'd guess 24bit color, unlimited image size[19:50:32] <Barrett> if I'd have to bet BMediaFile wasn't there at the time[19:51:31] *** StephanParseBNF <StephanParseBNF!~stephane@37.160.206.17> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:51:31] *** StephanParseBNF_ is now known as StephanParseBNF[19:51:58] <Vidrep> It sounds like a ton of work to bring UltraDV up to modern Haiku standards[19:52:39] <Vidrep> I'm willing to ante up more $ to keep Barrett working on this past the one week funded so far[19:53:01] <Vidrep> Anybody else willing to provide further funding?[19:55:03] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb1 - http://znc.in)[19:55:12] <Barrett> yes no BMediaFile in R4 bebook[19:55:39] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[19:58:34] <Vidrep> +1 to the devs who voted for looncraz to get commit access[19:58:43] <waddlesplash> :)[19:59:01] <Vidrep> This guy has been contributing to BeOS and Haiku since forever[20:02:07] <johnny_b> yep[20:02:24] <johnny_b> he made PhosphurOS iirc[20:03:08] <Vidrep> Before that it was SuperDano[20:04:00] <johnny_b> Vidrep: nice to meet an old BeOS fan 8p[20:04:02] *** StephanParseBNF <StephanParseBNF!~stephane@APoitiers-656-1-531-144.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:04:12] *** StephanParseBNF_ <StephanParseBNF_!~stephane@37.162.175.87> has joined #haiku[20:06:10] <Vidrep> He kept BeOS going until Zeta and eventually Haiku came to fruition[20:06:45] <johnny_b> personally never used them[20:07:06] <johnny_b> i stayed with R5.0.3 Pro[20:07:49] <Vidrep> I still have SuperDano and Phos Beta 1 -6[20:09:04] <Vidrep> One of the tricks at the time was to "borrow" files from Dano and use them on R5.03 to get additional functionality[20:09:39] <johnny_b> nah, my OS was pure R5[20:10:09] <mmu_man> or fix things[20:10:20] <mmu_man> like the rage pro driver overclocking the card when using overlay[20:10:30] <johnny_b> my wife and me ran R5 as primary OS until 2006[20:10:52] <johnny_b> we miss those days 8([20:12:22] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50441 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b4515980f3f8+%5Ea6c1049a5509[20:12:23] <HAIKU-irker848> b4515980f3f8: http_streamer: Handle http status codes[20:14:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli opened pull request #452: add uchardet library - https://git.io/vKXHG[20:15:09] <Vidrep> At the time I was using SCSI on BeOS. Dano supported Ultra160 SCSI, wheras BeOS 5 did not.[20:15:47] <Vidrep> You could borrow the AIC78XX file to get that support in R5[20:16:19] <Vidrep> Also, MKBFS from dano was improved[20:17:31] <Vidrep> BeOS R5 wouldn't support hard disks bigger then 60GB.[20:18:07] <johnny_b> we had 20 or 30GB disks so it wasn't a problem for us[20:18:20] <mmu_man> :)[20:18:24] <johnny_b> but my wife had a dual head radeon machine[20:18:24] <Vidrep> Haiku has come a long way from BeOS in many respects[20:18:31] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #452: add uchardet library - https://git.io/vKXHG[20:20:00] <Vidrep> Haiku isn't perfect by any means, but it is a much more satisfying experience than BeOS[20:20:26] <Vidrep> Nostalgia sometimnes clouds the reality[20:20:35] <johnny_b> well[20:20:37] <Vidrep> sometimes[20:20:56] <johnny_b> we hand picked parts for our machines so they were rock solid[20:21:30] <Vidrep> Many people have tried to make that arguement for haiku as well[20:22:14] <johnny_b> i dunno[20:22:43] <Vidrep> I think that we should concentrate on a select group of well supported hardware[20:23:44] <Vidrep> Just my opinion[20:24:29] <PulkoMandy> by the time we have good support for a machine, it is already not sold by the manufacturer anymore[20:24:36] <PulkoMandy> and possibly already difficult to come by even used[20:24:59] <Vidrep> Hi PulkoMandy[20:25:58] <stargater> UltraDV, hmm why not using clockwork basis für video editing tool and why not fiexed first the media stuff in haiku and why not release a new beta or alpha, 4 years since last release.[20:26:44] <eschatologist> A BSD driver adaptor layer might be useful for expanding hardware support, whether source-based or binary.[20:28:31] <stargater> source based , other are not good[20:28:49] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[20:28:53] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, how is the package builder coming along?[20:31:58] <Vidrep> stargater, Barrett was working on the media stuff, but he received no reply to his request to have his contract extended.[20:33:00] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: uncertainly[20:33:23] <waddlesplash> the HaikuPorter based build master has proved to be more finicky and more fragile than mine[20:33:31] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: fixing several issues in the recipes…[20:33:47] <postmen> hi stargater[20:33:57] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy you're committing those back to HaikuPorts I assume...[20:34:08] <postmen> johnny_b: so why u gave up on BeOS R5 at the end?[20:34:43] <johnny_b> postmen: new HW + new needs[20:34:45] <stargater> hi postmen[20:35:04] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: to my "release" branch on my fork for now, but yes, for things that are not yet in haikuports, I will[20:35:12] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #452: add uchardet library - https://git.io/vKXHG[20:35:21] <postmen> i've downloaded remix os - anybody interested in?[20:36:10] <Vidrep> stargater, until the devs can resolve the issues in getting the package builder working properly, we won't see any alpha or beta[20:37:07] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy, good, please do[20:37:12] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: finicky and fragile? how?[20:37:36] <PulkoMandy> I didn't have a single crash caused by the buildmaster yet - only connectivity issues that would be the same with any other tool[20:38:01] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[20:38:12] <Vidrep> After that is done, i assume they will switch focus to bug fixing and polishing for a possible release (please correct me if I'm mistaken)[20:38:19] <johnny_b> santa claus is coming to #haiku 8p[20:38:32] <miqlas-H> sht[20:39:07] <miqlas-H> johnny_b : go to home, you are drunk.[20:39:26] <miqlas-H> Hi Guys and humdinger![20:41:13] <johnny_b> miqlas-H: already at home and sober 8p[20:44:30] <stargater> remox os are android for desktop, but let me think .... hmmm.... ahh its android java sucks[20:44:35] <miqlas-H> good for you :|[20:44:51] <stargater> the os are not selfhosting[20:46:12] <stargater> Vidrep: yes one man can fix all the media problems in haiku sure.[20:48:40] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50442 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4e793ddd8708+%5Eb4515980f3f8[20:48:41] <HAIKU-irker848> 4e793ddd8708: http_streamer: Don't always use listener's IsRunning[20:49:13] <miqlas-H> stargater: look, all the media problems fixed. it is REAL-TIME![20:49:39] <stargater> miqlas-H: sure?[20:50:01] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: does it really handle incremental builds properly?[20:50:16] <stargater> beos was realtime by when it need and not on every time[20:50:32] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy iirc you had to spoon feed it what to build and for what secondary architectures too[20:51:19] <Vidrep> stargater, Barrett's primary focus was MediaKit related. Other devs could do what he doing, but they are not, because there are so many other areas that need attention.[20:52:17] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 6 commits to master [+10/-10/±0] https://git.io/vKXAR[20:52:18] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli cad2a53 - haproxy: bump version.[20:52:20] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 11c1ae3 - libassuan: bump version.[20:52:21] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli ef7e6ed - gloox: bump version.[20:52:23] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] ... and 3 more commits.[20:52:24] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: yes, you tell it what to do, it can be either "everything" or a list of packages[20:52:35] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[20:52:47] <waddlesplash> does "everything " mean "only what changed since last time"?[20:52:56] <waddlesplash> or does it mean everything[20:53:13] <PulkoMandy> everything is everything, and there is also "update" which will guess what to di[20:53:14] <PulkoMandy> do[20:53:28] <waddlesplash> guess? so does it miss stuff[20:53:38] <waddlesplash> or does it check what's already done[20:53:55] <postmen> Vidrep, i don't want to request anythin' since i don't know one of you, but wouldn't it be an interestin' idea of one of the pros to capture his screen and explain what he did so others could get involved more easily?[20:54:02] <PulkoMandy> it remembers the last git commit built, does git diff-tree to see which recipes changed[20:54:12] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:54:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:54:18] <waddlesplash> ah[20:54:36] <waddlesplash> ok, fine, so we just need to set this up[20:54:50] <PulkoMandy> and then lets haikuporter find which ports are affected (using --ports-for-files --active-versions-only)[20:55:07] <PulkoMandy> yes, we need a run of "everything" first to get started and then "update" at each commit[20:55:15] <waddlesplash> and it handles multiple arch rebuilds?[20:55:37] <waddlesplash> e.g if a recipe that has 3 arches and 2 secondary arches changed it'll do all of that[20:55:46] <waddlesplash> all enabled of course[20:56:17] * waddlesplash still liked his "set it and forget it" model[20:56:36] <waddlesplash> install client once, server handles upgrades and HaikuPorter changes forevermore[20:57:06] <stargater> http://apps.linuxaudio.org/wiki/jack_latency_tests[20:57:33] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: I still think mmlr system requires more hand holding[20:57:44] <waddlesplash> e.g. you have to update the client yourself[20:58:50] *** StephanParseBNF_ <StephanParseBNF_!~stephane@37.162.175.87> has quit IRC (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi)[21:00:59] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:03:36] <Barrett> stargater, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you are saying[21:03:50] <Barrett> in any case patches welcome[21:04:01] <postmen> haha[21:04:35] <postmen> ok, and what and how?[21:07:08] <postmen> well, never mind, i tried google and voila i actually found some stuff.[21:09:12] <Vidrep> waddlesplash and PulkoMandy, that exchange about the package builder was as good as a direct answer. Good to know![21:11:34] <waddlesplash> :)[21:11:58] <Vidrep> I have to go.[21:12:14] <johnny_b> bon voyage[21:12:23] <Vidrep> Lots of good information exchanged today[21:12:34] <Vidrep> Bye[21:13:48] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.8]: i've been blurred!)[21:13:48] <johnny_b> bye[21:15:18] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:219f:b506:4ecc:1328> has joined #haiku[21:17:22] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: it does only one arch at a time, so we have to setup one instance for each arch[21:18:39] <PulkoMandy> as for the auto update, we may not want that in the case of the release branch. It makes sense to try to build stuff to run on plain beta1 for as long as possible, and when things start to break, it means we are already too late for the beta2 release[21:18:48] <waddlesplash> one instance of what, the build master?[21:18:51] <PulkoMandy> if we wanted to do a rolling release, things would be different[21:18:56] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:19:02] <waddlesplash> that's dumb[21:19:25] <waddlesplash> mine does all arches and secondary arches at once[21:19:32] <waddlesplash> and makes jobs for all of them[21:19:44] <PulkoMandy> well, you need an haikuport configured for that particular arch to resolve the depencies properly[21:19:44] <waddlesplash> and then schedules them on the next non busy builder[21:19:53] <waddlesplash> um no?[21:19:56] <PulkoMandy> the builders are arch specific too[21:20:03] <waddlesplash> well of course they are[21:20:07] <PulkoMandy> so there's nothing shared between arches[21:20:14] <waddlesplash> there's no reason the master should be too though[21:20:33] <waddlesplash> no, nothing is really "shared" in mine[21:20:49] <waddlesplash> it just does all the arches sequentiality in the same program[21:20:58] <waddlesplash> no restarts, no reconfigures[21:21:16] <waddlesplash> like I said, mine is designed to "set it and forget it'[21:21:21] <miqlas-H> TROLLING: mine shows sexy girls during the compiling. What did i won?[21:21:25] <waddlesplash> and it also only updates when you tell it to[21:21:39] <PulkoMandy> I don't see what you mean, once the git hooks are set it's also "forget it"[21:21:56] <waddlesplash> until someone commits a bug fix to haikuporter[21:22:10] <waddlesplash> and my understanding was that the server does not run git pull on the slaves[21:22:12] <waddlesplash> mine does[21:22:47] <waddlesplash> and handles failures gracefully, too, continuing with the next thing in the chain and marking all dependants as broken also[21:22:58] <waddlesplash> (broken due to dependency that is)[21:23:33] <PulkoMandy> well it does that as well of course[21:23:56] <PulkoMandy> and it can run haikuporter --update on the slaves to update (didn't test it but I don't see how things would work otherwise)[21:24:30] <PulkoMandy> updating haikuporter automatically, I don't know. We should probably run things with a released version of haikuporter anyway (again, rolling release is not the plan as far as I know)[21:25:51] <waddlesplash> no, it's not[21:26:03] <waddlesplash> but the nightlies are rolling release[21:26:07] <waddlesplash> so they have to handle that[21:26:33] <waddlesplash> and mine has the capacity to handle branches like that[21:30:14] <PulkoMandy> I'm mostly interested in the beta1 and the branch following it which leads to R1 (with only bugfixes)[21:30:28] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+5/-5/±0] https://git.io/vK1fs[21:30:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 1254ba9 - x264: update snapshot.[21:30:31] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 042ff27 - x265: bump version.[21:30:33] <PulkoMandy> whatever people do in the trunk/R2 branch to build packages and how they release it, doesn't matter much to me for now :)[21:31:29] <waddlesplash> well we don't have a server yet[21:31:35] <waddlesplash> and someone will be managing that[21:31:44] <waddlesplash> I'd prefer it had longevity, tbh[21:32:14] <waddlesplash> and people understood this system far less than they understood mine, so :-P[21:32:28] <PulkoMandy> because there's not much to understand here[21:32:34] <PulkoMandy> it's very KISS[21:32:47] <PulkoMandy> people keep looking for black magic, and there isn't any[21:36:19] <waddlesplash> no, but there are black boxes[21:36:25] <waddlesplash> or gray boxes which work half well[21:36:31] <waddlesplash> and HaikuPorter is one of them[21:36:58] <waddlesplash> it also does not collect a lot of info from the builder[21:37:21] <waddlesplash> ... whatever. I'll set up my system, and get it working with Bintray, and then we'll talk[21:37:42] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[21:39:55] <waddlesplash> either that, or HaikuPorter will finally click and I'll manage to get that installed[21:41:03] <PulkoMandy> there is pleinty of info in the json and log files. I don't see what more we could need[21:41:31] <PulkoMandy> as for installing the haikuporter buildmaster, it was really easy and painless, and I updated the readme with the few missing steps[21:44:02] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: also the cross tools step is useless[21:44:17] <waddlesplash> just ./configure --host-only[21:46:02] <PulkoMandy> yes that should work, please update the README :)[21:48:03] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.201.39> has joined #haiku[21:54:37] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.201.39> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:55:57] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.201.39> has joined #haiku[22:01:37] <HAIKU-irker848> buildtools.master: korli * btrev43119 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=68e96393c7be+%5E8865c113a660[22:01:38] <HAIKU-irker848> 5dcc710c269d: import binutils 2.26.1[22:01:40] <HAIKU-irker848> 68e96393c7be: Merge binutils 2.26.1[22:05:02] <mmu_man> oh no[22:05:04] <mmu_man> not again :-([22:08:49] <waddlesplash> lol[22:11:52] <miqlas-H> Good night![22:12:06] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:12:10] <Wamphyre> FUCK YEAH![22:18:57] <postmen> had to look that one app.[22:19:48] <stargater> mmu_man: you need talk with korli[22:20:13] <mmu_man> :p[22:20:43] <stargater> mmu_man: i hope you have a patch file :-)[22:22:13] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:219f:b506:4ecc:1328> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving - Cross platform IDE http://monkeystudio.org)[22:23:31] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:26:42] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[22:29:59] <mmu_man> nothing to patch, I hope[22:30:05] <mmu_man> I'll just have to build those again[22:31:57] <PulkoMandy> no package buildmaster for m68k yet?[22:32:52] <mmu_man> eh[22:41:59] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@122.168.57.109> has joined #haiku[22:42:22] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[22:47:22] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4db40183.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[22:52:13] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/~pulkomandy/ the build is starting to look reasonably green now[22:57:42] <mmu_man> building… <bad UTF8[23:00:28] <PulkoMandy> well correct utf-8 but I think I forgot to specify in the html header and it is still not the default[23:00:33] <PulkoMandy> Web+ handles this fine :)[23:08:55] <johndrinkwater> mojibake :)[23:15:50] <munchausen> PulkoMandy how did you decide what packages to build?[23:16:48] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:17:16] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:26:58] *** Wamphyre <Wamphyre!~vision@197.203.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:29:24] <stargater> PulkoMandy: in what is the webservice codet?[23:31:52] *** vjacob <vjacob!~vjacob@139.59.155.133> has joined #haiku[23:34:35] <AlienSoldier> i wish http://bannister.org/software/ao.htm and http://bannister.org/software/m1.htm would be integrated into MediaPlayer[23:36:59] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: nice[23:37:37] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[23:40:07] <waddlesplash> k. so what bugs are bugging people these days[23:41:43] <postmen> waddlesplash, well, haven't tried again, but my netbook fails to boot with the nightly, but is supported by 48309. error in the wifi driver i guess. but that shouldn't take the whole system down, i'd say.[23:42:05] <waddlesplash> postmen: picture of KDL would be nice[23:44:33] <postmen> I've tried to provide everythin https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12749[23:44:39] <waddlesplash> aha, thnx[23:45:25] <waddlesplash> postmen: Oooh, it's not a KDL, it's an app_server crash[23:45:39] *** vjacob <vjacob!~vjacob@139.59.155.133> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:45:46] <waddlesplash> type "save-report" at that prompt, it'll write a crash report to your Desktop, and then try to get that file and upload it[23:46:02] <postmen> kallisti5 has provided somethin' similar too https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8922 - but i think we could close that one.[23:46:07] *** vjacob <vjacob!~vjacob@139.59.155.133> has joined #haiku[23:46:18] *** vjacob <vjacob!~vjacob@139.59.155.133> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[23:46:20] <waddlesplash> postmen: totally different, afaict?[23:46:22] <postmen> waddlesplash, ok, thanks.[23:46:38] <waddlesplash> postmen: also, try rebooting in failsafe (VESA) mode[23:46:54] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a7a4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[23:46:59] <postmen> ahh, well, year, maybe that's different because of the enryption.[23:47:27] <waddlesplash> oh, it IS vesa already[23:47:36] <waddlesplash> that looks bad[23:47:41] <waddlesplash> anyway, that crash report will tell us more[23:48:19] <postmen> ill try. but here is more. https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11947[23:50:03] <waddlesplash> postmen: oh, so the crash does not occur when atheros is blacklisted?[23:50:10] <waddlesplash> this sounds like a DMA bug[23:50:31] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.201.39> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:51:05] <postmen> well, can't remember exactly, but i think i traced it back to the atheros driver somehow. problem is i have no up to date stick right now because of that well known problem to me.[23:57:25] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-186-043.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)