July 19, 2016 
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July 19, 2016 [00:00:01] <Vidrep> Yup. It was a lot of testing and verifying of actual boot times.[00:00:10] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:00:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:00:48] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[00:01:02] <Barrett> hi Vidrep[00:01:03] <Vidrep> How's the MK guru today?[00:02:15] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fyqnhkvewmplbabp> has joined #haiku[00:02:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[00:02:51] <Barrett> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/barrett/2016-07-18_tales_video_editor[00:04:25] <Barrett> I've seen better days, but also worse ones[00:07:49] <Barrett> perhaps someone could promote the article in front page[00:08:32] <Vidrep> I read it. It pretty much summarizes the difficult path ahead.[00:08:39] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50426 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=ef0ed91e558d+%5E2f6a1cfc58cc[00:08:40] <HAIKU-irker848> ef0ed91e558d: libcrypt: Remove from tree.[00:09:13] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: munchausen: yes, the new BePDF has no liblayout dependency anymore[00:09:20] <waddlesplash> and it was released as BePDF 2.0[00:10:35] <Vidrep> UltraDV sounds like a massive bunch of code, not unlike WebKit or GoBe. Not someting trivial to update.[00:11:50] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I've been using BePDF 2.0 for several weeks/months?. So far, no real big problems.[00:13:29] <waddlesplash> Nice :)[00:15:58] <Barrett> the only good point in UltraDV is that by casuality it's very similar to some coding pattern I use frequently[00:16:08] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, the same issues we discussed a long time ago are still present (ex. hover mouse over tools name flashes too quickly)[00:16:24] <waddlesplash> that's a bug in BToolBar then[00:16:32] <waddlesplash> (same toolbar used in Tracker & ShowImage)[00:17:01] <Barrett> I could even integrate code from a my other projects but since it's GPL I hope no one will be annoyed[00:17:31] <Barrett> perhaps codebases could be merged together, we will see[00:17:49] <stargater> postmen: fine :-) the PM is verry mess and it cost over 30000€[00:18:02] <waddlesplash> stargater: what? PM is pretty clean[00:18:11] <waddlesplash> it's much cleaner than dpkg or yum, that's for sure[00:18:18] <stargater> no it is not[00:18:19] <waddlesplash> Barrett: GPL in what? UltraDV?[00:18:25] <waddlesplash> I doubt anyone will care[00:18:29] <stargater> PM in linux are mess too[00:18:38] <waddlesplash> how is it a mess?[00:18:50] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, ShowImage doesn't do the same thing. The text remains as long as the mouse hovers over the button.[00:18:57] <waddlesplash> huh[00:19:05] <stargater> beos has a PKG vormat and an installer for this, thats clean an easy[00:20:48] <stargater> postmen: haiku without pm are faster :-)[00:21:15] <Vidrep> stargater, I'd have to disagree with you. The Haiku PM is as easy and convenient as it gets.[00:21:54] <Vidrep> The only thing bad about it was the timing of its implementation[00:22:13] <postmen> stargater, well, i got one source more compiled with the old r1a4 but the next one again throws errors. i guess there is either more buggy or i don't have the right versions of this and that.[00:22:45] <postmen> Vidrep, so, why not a new release then?[00:23:01] <stargater> Vidrep: what ever, i see haiku are die, open your eyes or not, develop with gcc2 and make forwart to port on arm(v6) and make a port for mk86...[00:23:16] <postmen> Vidrep: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=haiku[00:23:28] <Vidrep> The main blocker right now is the package builder[00:24:05] <stargater> haiku development are more porting apps from qt and java, at the end have you the same apps what used in GNU/linuxes[00:24:18] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy is actively working on it now.[00:25:06] <Vidrep> stargater, in this one thing I do agree with you. I don't favour ports from other platforms too much.[00:25:35] <stargater> postmen: www.haiku.org show the donation skala, look on haiku inc homepage, no report finacel etc. how are the leaders, how are the releases, 4 y no releas! but i will not toll.[00:26:01] <postmen> well, you're funny, you can't say that in generell. like hugs, vim or postgresql or haskell etc. just should be ported.[00:26:11] <Vidrep> That's one reason why I cointinue to use Web+ (among other native apps) even if there are superior alternatives available[00:26:12] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:26:17] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: vim, haskell, and postgres are ported :P[00:26:24] <waddlesplash> whops. postmen: ^ sorry, PulkoMandy[00:26:31] <waddlesplash> (dang autocomplete)[00:26:47] <stargater> at time i look in the linux code base and found some intresting stuff, settings about low latency, kernel setting on x68_64 machines[00:27:32] <postmen> waddlesplash, haskell isn't as far as i know and it was about the question if ports make any sence at all.[00:28:24] <stargater> waddlesplash: haiku have speed problem, driver problems, and stability problems, in haiku at time, you have not a power os.[00:28:26] <waddlesplash> postmen: ah, jessicah never finished it, I Think[00:28:50] <stargater> in 10y haiku will not run on new hardware.[00:28:53] <waddlesplash> stargater: speed, we're only lacking hardware 3D. Drivers, well duh. Stability, we're much better these days.[00:29:11] <waddlesplash> Well, not if we stop developing it, no. But we almost have USB3 now, that moves us a few years into the future[00:29:15] <waddlesplash> and jessicah is working on EFI[00:30:17] <stargater> waddlesplash: haiku need new developer, but haiku do nothing to help learn the technik, the docu about new api are bad and unfinish, etc.[00:30:30] <Vidrep> stargater, I appreciate your opinion. Some things I can agree, Others not so much. We have all felt the frustration of working on this project.[00:30:32] <waddlesplash> whatever, I don't have time to argue with you[00:30:46] <waddlesplash> if you want to help, do. We're not just sitting around twiddling our thumbs.[00:30:58] <postmen> well, never mind, i think i gotta go to bed. a database with ports, done, in work and failed however would be great. the same with developers, doing or done what and how, besides circumstanced, finally succeded.[00:31:15] <stargater> an PM ist mess for haiku, driver ar mess in haiku, tool sdk are old or double gcc2,4,5 llvm/clang ....[00:31:21] <waddlesplash> postmen: erm, you know that https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports exists right[00:31:50] <postmen> waddlesplash, year, but i'm thinkin' of somethin' different.[00:32:18] <waddlesplash> well, just grep for "ARCHITECTURES" and look at only stuff that doesn't have "!"[00:32:24] <munchausen> waddlesplash I think he means an index of the state of each port[00:32:28] <waddlesplash> ah[00:32:34] <waddlesplash> well, you can just grep for that mostly[00:32:47] <stargater> and joke are, beos developent with the goal of no old balast, but haiku used old balast :-)[00:33:22] <stargater> and haiku dont support x86_64 bit[00:33:32] <munchausen> ah yeah, you got there before me :P[00:33:55] <waddlesplash> stargater: uh, yes it does? we just don't prioritize x64[00:33:58] <waddlesplash> but it works quite well[00:34:32] <stargater> fazit: haiku used gcc, beos r5 compatibility, and x68 32bit cpu and a unfinish PM he brakes somethinks and launch dameon? .. ahh[00:34:52] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, not so much these days. It was pretty good a few months ago.[00:35:04] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: oh, what's busted now?[00:35:18] <stargater> waddlesplash: this is a problem, we have 2016 32 bit cpu 16 years old[00:35:57] <postmen> waddlesplash, i was thinkin' of some progress bar where u can get informations on a glance. don't exactly how that should look like. i guess somethin' like that a bit https://themify.me/wp-content/product-img/addons/progress-bar.jpg[00:36:06] <Vidrep> Web+ was busted for about 5 months. It was fixed only last week. ffmpeg has been broken for months now (maybe a year?)[00:36:24] <waddlesplash> ticket?[00:36:28] <stargater> and on the UI point look haiku old, and the c++ api is not in time.[00:36:50] <Vidrep> I have plenty of tickets open for various 64 bit issues.[00:37:17] <postmen> stargater, you can monitor the tickets with rss i think. there has been some cleanin' up lately, i've got to admit.[00:37:44] <Vidrep> Anyway, it isn't a priority, so no need to whine about it. Let's get that Beta done![00:38:06] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db48a3a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[00:38:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[00:38:19] <Barrett> relating stability, personally the majority of issues I see are some random Tracker crashes and Deskbar locking[00:38:29] <Barrett> we should have probably rewritten them[00:38:34] <waddlesplash> too late for that[00:38:39] <waddlesplash> and it would break BeOS compatibility unfortunately[00:38:49] <waddlesplash> some stuff depends on internals of BFilePanel being exactly like BeOS[00:38:59] <waddlesplash> if you have some tickets, I might be able to poke at Tracker[00:39:01] <postmen> well, what i think is a joke right now is wifi, mainly the use of it, not that much the support. but i have no idea how to fix that quickly. and ctrl+alt+t would be a consideration imho.[00:39:28] <waddlesplash> postmen: alt+tab works? and if you hold alt+Tab you get an apps list[00:40:14] <postmen> waddlesplash, i mean i want an terminal - that's normaly done with ctrl+alt+t these days.[00:40:20] <waddlesplash> ah[00:40:27] * waddlesplash never used that feature[00:40:38] <waddlesplash> postmen: you can add it yourself with Shortcuts though[00:40:39] <waddlesplash> :)[00:40:39] <munchausen> isn't there an app for those kind of shortcuts?[00:40:44] <stargater> beos compatibility , ahhh we have 2016![00:40:46] <waddlesplash> yes, it's called Shortcuts :P[00:40:57] <munchausen> terminal shorcut on the desktop serves me well enough[00:41:00] <Vidrep> It's good to get these things out in the open. I nobody cared about this project that would be much worse.[00:41:03] <postmen> well, it's really usefull if u mess up screen resolutions.[00:41:32] <waddlesplash> postmen: like I said: Shortcuts.[00:41:32] <Barrett> waddlesplash, I remember a discussion in 2008 or so where it was proposed to refactor the Deskbar or at least merge it with the NewFS forks etc.[00:41:37] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:41:50] <Barrett> at the time some people argued that it should be done after R1, well that was a bad choice[00:41:54] <waddlesplash> Barrett: yeah, there were branches around but they were way too stale[00:42:01] <waddlesplash> tracker_layout fixed a lot of these bugs though[00:42:06] <Barrett> when using BeOS back in the day Tracker.NewFS was damn stable[00:42:06] <postmen> i can't get used not to use those sortcuts. windows key is another one. i used to just hit windows-key, p for programm and the programs name. any chance to support the windows key in the future?[00:42:30] <Barrett> because FS interaction was rewritten in C[00:42:36] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-188-104-188-161.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:42:43] <munchausen> I'd like to see some more advanced stuff with tiling, like joining two windows next to each other and joining those to a window below them that is the same width as both[00:42:47] <Vidrep> Talking about stale - I see so many tickets on trac that are assigned to devs that are no longer involved with Haiku[00:42:50] <Barrett> and much more faster than the standard tracker[00:43:03] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db48a3a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:43:13] <stargater> Barrett: FS?[00:43:37] <munchausen> Is there still a bug with stacking redraw leaving artifacts when the window title changes?[00:43:50] <Barrett> stargater, filesystem[00:43:51] <Barrett> http://mlotz.ch/newfs/[00:45:05] <Barrett> wow it supports thumbnails, didn't remember that particular[00:45:11] <stargater> ah i remember, that cool he used svg[00:45:52] <stargater> but png are better with diferent sizes[00:45:55] <Vidrep> munchhausen, the answer is yes[00:45:58] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:47:05] <Barrett> stargater, we have HVIF now[00:47:44] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[00:48:00] <Vidrep> Barrett, there was also NaviTracker[00:48:01] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[00:48:20] <stargater> and, thats hard to make app icon[00:48:54] <Barrett> stargater, yes probably wasn't worth it in the end[00:49:04] <Barrett> while the technique used is amazing[00:49:41] <stargater> sure when your pc have ram in mb size[00:49:59] <Barrett> stargater, the average PC has 8 gb today[00:50:10] <Barrett> really RAM is the least of problems[00:50:23] <stargater> but true text console reders ascci fonts faster[00:50:48] <postmen> well, good night. any i know many people ownin' netbooks with 1 or 2 gb ram.[00:51:07] <Barrett> I like retrocomputing, but I don't think Haiku should target old hw[00:51:18] <stargater> so, also hvif dont needet, it limited the drawing and it is not a base format of icons[00:51:22] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B150E80.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #haiku[00:51:28] <stargater> app icons, ui icons etc.[00:51:42] <Barrett> also because, resurrecting a P3 in 2000 made sense, the cost of a PC was 2'000$ or so[00:52:06] *** ThunderBlade <ThunderBlade!~Kushal@59.88.80.120> has joined #haiku[00:52:24] <stargater> my pc have 4 cores, 8mb ram and is under 300€[00:52:25] <Barrett> today the up-board is more powerful than an old generation dual core laptop[00:52:28] <Barrett> and cost 100$[00:52:55] <Barrett> stargater, that's a reason to don't care about old hw[00:53:20] <stargater> a good laptop (thinkpad= starts by 1200/1300 or buy 1-2 older then became for 300-600€[00:53:52] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@202.21.46.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:53:59] <stargater> old pc time are over, the price are fall down[00:54:15] <stargater> for 1.400€ you have amacbook,[00:54:33] <stargater> people bux a smartphone 700€ and more[00:55:25] <munchausen> hvif is awesome though stargater, it's small enough to fit in the inode of the file (i.e. in the file index instead of in a seperate file), so you don't need to look up the actual file on disk to get the icon :)[00:56:16] <stargater> my intrest are to have a good os for pc/laptop he is free and kills windows[00:56:25] <Barrett> munchausen, yep it's awesome[00:56:37] <Barrett> but it's overlooked being frank[00:56:57] <stargater> munchausen: and?[00:57:08] <munchausen> yeah but there are so many cool things like that in haiku, which weren't in beos[00:57:28] <stargater> wow, verry cool.[00:57:43] <stargater> bbl[00:57:47] <munchausen> stack and tile is also so good. And the ctrl+alt shortcut for resizing windows is so much better than on any other system[00:57:52] <Barrett> Haiku in it's entirety is awesome[00:58:15] <munchausen> Yeap :)[00:58:23] <Vidrep> Barrett, you're awesome LOL[00:59:58] <Barrett> LoL[01:00:36] <Vidrep> munchausen, I have used some of your user tips that you posted on the forum in the past. Good info to know, because I'm too lazy to read tyhe user guide.[01:02:52] <oxygene> who use lazarus on haiku[01:04:11] <munchausen> Vidrep good to know it's useful to someone, sometimes I do wonder :)[01:07:57] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has joined #haiku[01:09:02] *** dograt <dograt!~dograt@unaffiliated/dograt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:12:06] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:e599:13b7:b129:ed09> has joined #haiku[01:12:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[01:14:21] <munchausen> Has anyone tried out bluetooth in haiku?[01:14:26] <Vidrep> Earlier I alluded to the fact that on trac we have many tickets assigned to devs who are no longer involved with Haiku[01:15:01] <Vidrep> Is there any plan to go through those and assign them to current devs?[01:15:22] <waddlesplash> not really[01:15:33] <Vidrep> bluetooth - yes, I've tried a few different adaptors on a PC[01:15:36] <waddlesplash> the "assign" means not very much; "milestone" & "priority" mean a lot more[01:15:42] <Skipp_OSX> if a ticket is assigned to someone no longer active it is effectively unassigned[01:15:50] <waddlesplash> ^ basically[01:16:24] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9eacd.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:16:35] <munchausen> Vidrep do you know if rfcomm is possible? (bluetooth serial port profile)[01:16:59] <waddlesplash> munchausen: don't think so[01:17:10] <waddlesplash> actually I don't know what we DO support (no on file transfers...)[01:17:15] <waddlesplash> and the kit is pretty buggy too[01:18:26] <Vidrep> munchausen, I could get Haiku to detect the local device, but no connection to external devices[01:19:13] <munchausen> waddlesplash yeah I was wondering what is actually supported. I remember when it was handed off years and years ago the final report seemed to suggest it wasn't in a very complete state. But looking back at it now it looks like there is more there, but not clear eaxactly what[01:19:24] <munchausen> As I understood pairing at least should have worked[01:19:53] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:20:04] <Vidrep> I need to refresh my memory. I'll try a connection right now...[01:20:26] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[01:22:33] <munchausen> Actually it looks from http://urnenfeld.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/in-past-i-got-to-know-that-motivation.html like l2cap (socket) connection should work[01:23:01] <munchausen> Which is pretty close to rfcomm from what I understand[01:23:15] <waddlesplash> idk, try it[01:24:35] <munchausen> I don't have a native install of haiku atm, but will at some point[01:25:48] <Vidrep> Bluetooth detects the local device and my iPad[01:26:02] <Vidrep> However, no file transfers are possible[01:26:25] <munchausen> Ah thats cool :)[01:27:40] <Vidrep> It also detects my iPhone[01:28:02] <Vidrep> No luck connecting to a bluetooth speaker[01:29:57] <Vidrep> It would be nice to see bluetooth compatability progress further. But at what cost to other more imortant issues?[01:30:49] <Vidrep> This is the catch 22 with haiku development[01:31:28] <Skipp_OSX> there is no catch 22 for Web+[01:31:37] <Skipp_OSX> better browser is better[01:31:58] * Barrett feels like he should work on Web+ streaming[01:33:59] <munchausen> Skipp_OSX true that :)[01:35:36] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:36:02] <munchausen> A lot of stuff only makes progress when someone has an itch to scratch.[01:36:42] <munchausen> A couple of years ago I spent a week getting synergy working, then I had a baby and moved house and haven't even looked at it since[01:36:55] <munchausen> Although, looks like that got picked up by others :)[01:37:05] <Vidrep> Everybody uses the web browser. So a big +1 to making improvements there[01:37:16] <munchausen> (no desk at my new place, no need for synergy any more)[01:43:21] <Vidrep> For me, personally, the most important things are those which affect end-user usability[01:44:42] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKwmn[01:44:44] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash d515bbe - pdflib: Commit non-working recipe.[01:44:59] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@64.26.99.248> has joined #haiku[01:48:58] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[01:49:20] *** dograt <dograt!~dograt@unaffiliated/dograt> has joined #haiku[01:53:51] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:53:51] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@64.26.99.248> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[01:58:36] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:e599:13b7:b129:ed09> has 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mail\[13:32:39] <Arman> About keydown — I need to handle system-wide B_UNMAPPED_KEY_DOWN from desklink.[13:33:11] <Barrett> Arman, are you using a BMessageFilter?[13:33:23] <Arman> Looks like no.[13:33:42] <Barrett> well, be helpful or I can't help you[13:34:12] <Barrett> https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/BMessageFilter.html[13:34:38] <Arman> Thank's, that's a good start.[13:34:59] <Barrett> using BView::Window() you can get the main windows (Deskbar's one in this case)[13:35:18] <Barrett> inherit BMessageFilter in your class, then attach this object to the main window[13:35:55] <Arman> Will it handle all needed messages in all apps? On just in Deskbar?[13:35:55] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!~Kushal@117.196.182.4> has joined #haiku[13:35:59] <Barrett> at this point you should be able to get the message in the Filter[13:36:31] <Arman> Thanks for advise, I'll try. I'm so sorry for my low C++ level.[13:36:43] <Barrett> you have to specify B_ANY_SOURCE[13:36:50] <Barrett> in the constructor[13:38:37] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:38:40] <Barrett> Arman, http://xref.plausible.coop/source/xref/haiku/src/apps/icon-o-matic/generic/gui/MouseWheelFilter.h#30[13:39:35] <Arman> Oh, that's complete answer.[13:39:37] <Arman> Wow[13:40:08] <Arman> Will report if smth changes[13:40:15] *** Arman <Arman!~quassel@217.118.81.26> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:44:32] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[14:00:32] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4a828.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:00:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:22:14] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:22:46] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:24:33] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4a828.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:27:13] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4a828.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[14:27:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:28:14] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4a828.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:34:52] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[14:46:45] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:49:55] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:52:30] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@93-45-236-119.ip104.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[14:52:53] *** Barrett is now known as Guest96069[14:58:53] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[14:59:39] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[15:10:48] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[15:28:26] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:35:16] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:37:56] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:42:54] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:43:27] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:09:45] *** earthnative <earthnative!~nemo@59.167.208.146> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:09:53] *** earthnative <earthnative!~nemo@59.167.208.146> has joined #haiku[16:12:42] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:13:17] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:16:50] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[16:28:30] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:29:02] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: korli * hrev50427 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d6d84d272e14+%5Eef0ed91e558d[16:29:03] <HAIKU-irker848> d6d84d272e14: Update cmake and llvm packages for x86_64.[16:29:05] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:29:12] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4a828.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:29:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:31:03] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[16:31:46] *** bedouin <bedouin!uid151413@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iwsksyylxjzcywjb> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[16:32:28] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[16:33:49] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4db4a828.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[16:35:28] *** bedouin <bedouin!uid151413@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-swwordpkljslwwvc> has joined #haiku[16:49:57] *** Guest96069 <Guest96069!~da@93-45-236-119.ip104.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:15:31] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@109.58.144.159.bredband.tre.se> has joined #haiku[17:15:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[17:28:10] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[17:32:23] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[17:43:07] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!4b9c9eb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.156.158.178> has joined #haiku[17:43:16] <Vidrep> Hi[17:45:51] <Vidrep> Is anyone available to help me track down a "no shutdown" issue with Haiku? Ticket #12306[17:47:18] <Vidrep> Haiku is hanging on shutdown right now. So, I logged into IRC with my iPad[17:49:14] <tqh> There is a known bug, something about multiprocessor sync.[17:49:59] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:50:10] <Vidrep> I think you were the last one to look at before[17:50:45] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:51:11] <Vidrep> i can invoke the kernel debugger and see if anything is apparent[17:51:12] <tqh> yes, needs someone that knows that part of the kernel well.[17:52:02] <tqh> link: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12306[17:54:01] <Vidrep> It's my open ticket[17:54:33] <Vidrep> If you have suggestions of commands to try, now is a good time[17:54:51] <johnny_b> what happened to that Polish guy?[17:55:16] <tqh> No idea why smp_send_broadcast_ici would hang.[18:01:41] <Vidrep> There's a rwlock on shutdown worker[18:08:29] <tqh> You might want to look at how shutdown is done, probably because we disable cpus: https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/f474368c4fcac4dd7589d0c9197e86503f638df6/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_cpu.cpp#L112[18:13:13] <Vidrep> Was The smp_send_broadcast_ici incorrect? See comment 36[18:16:44] <Vidrep> This is more than a little beyond by understanding. Too bad I can't ship this PC to someone so they can deal directly with the issue.[18:19:17] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[18:22:01] <Vidrep> Reboot[18:25:30] *** leszek <leszek!~leszek@55d4088b.access.ecotel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:26:34] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!4b9c9eb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.156.158.178> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:26:40] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:27:08] <Vidrep> tqh, after reboot I see your comment attached to the ticket. Thanks for looking[18:29:21] <Vidrep> This no-shutdown issue manifests itself probably 50% of the time. 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Any idea how that come?[22:52:54] <postmen> like, i think it shouldn't work at all or should work, but it did with the release, just not with the nightly anymore.[22:55:22] <jessicah> I don't know[22:55:32] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[22:55:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[22:57:08] <postmen> oh, thank u.[22:58:08] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: axeld * hrev50429 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=578fabdea36f+%5E1d3dbfcc382e[22:58:09] <HAIKU-irker848> 578fabdea36f: net_buffer: Fixed clang warning.[23:02:26] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Quit: reboot)[23:04:00] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@50.240.146.33> has joined #haiku[23:16:28] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:57] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:26:10] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-181-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:35:45] *** Guma is now known as Guma_away[23:42:01] *** Guma_away is now known as Guma[23:44:38] *** Zorua <Zorua!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[23:51:30] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@50.240.146.33> has quit IRC (Quit: ZZZzzz…)[23:53:22] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:57:58] *** Guma <Guma!~Guma@50.240.146.33> has joined #haiku