July 17, 2016 
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July 17, 2016 [00:05:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:05:57] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: apps, yes; webpages, probably not[00:10:11] <mmu_man> Finally someone fighting SecureBoot in court https://globalvoices.org/2016/06/16/in-defense-of-free-software-my-case-against-lenovo-in-mexico/[00:13:43] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:f17f:9a8e:a23f:3e1d> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving - Cross platform IDE http://monkeystudio.org)[00:17:04] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I have one ticket related to the invisible text still open, but now Web+ does not open the page[00:17:24] <waddlesplash> I highly doubt it was related to my changes[00:17:32] <Vidrep> Can you try the URL in ticket #12545 too see if it hangs for you as well?[00:17:34] <waddlesplash> to the network kit I mean; those really shouldn't affect anything[00:18:01] <Vidrep> I know it isn't related. Looks like a new problem[00:18:30] <waddlesplash> erm, maybe it is[00:18:55] <waddlesplash> that site is using "TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA"[00:19:18] <Vidrep> It woks OK on my iPad, so it's not a website problem[00:19:29] <waddlesplash> yes, well[00:19:34] <Vidrep> It used to work OK with Web+[00:19:47] <waddlesplash> I think my network kit changes are related, it looks like anyway[00:19:54] <waddlesplash> I'll check the ciphers again[00:20:15] <Vidrep> The only issue was that the text was very faint - extremely hard to read[00:20:36] <Vidrep> Thanks waddlesplash![00:25:05] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:25:14] <waddlesplash> ok, so I did leave TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA enabled ???[00:25:48] <waddlesplash> "SSL error: 5"[00:26:00] <waddlesplash> unless...[00:26:11] <waddlesplash> ah, that's unrelated[00:27:41] <waddlesplash> Vidrep: The problem appears to be unrelated to my ciphersuite changes; the website doesn't load for me on my VM which is before my Network Kit changes[00:28:02] <waddlesplash> ooh, it DOES throw SSL_error 5 though ??[00:28:08] <waddlesplash> what is 5 anyway[00:30:35] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[00:31:44] <Vidrep> I've tried a bunch of different secure websites to see if any others are affected. So far, OK[00:32:49] <Vidrep> I have a spare partition to install older hrevs. Maybe, I can find when the regression started[00:35:50] <waddlesplash> "The error happened during the Diffie-Hellman Key Exchange"[00:35:57] <waddlesplash> that's real helpful, openssl[00:36:57] <Vidrep> Openssl was updated in hrev50141. Would it help to install an earlier build just to chack?[00:37:06] <Vidrep> check[00:37:07] <waddlesplash> that's probably it[00:37:12] <waddlesplash> I wonder what changed[00:37:33] <Vidrep> Thankfully Haiku is fast and easy to install :D[00:37:52] <Vidrep> Back in 10 min with the verdict[00:38:00] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:44:07] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[00:44:19] <Vidrep> waddlesplash[00:44:36] <waddlesplash> yes?[00:44:52] <Vidrep> I'm using hrev50101 - not working![00:45:05] <waddlesplash> ok, so it's not the OpenSSL upgrade, nice[00:45:39] <Vidrep> The hrev I used when I created the ticket was hrev49939[00:45:49] <waddlesplash> so, what's in that range[00:46:01] <Vidrep> So, I'll start working backwards from there[00:48:20] <Vidrep> I'll let you know when I find a working revision.[00:48:38] <Vidrep> I hate regressions...[00:48:51] <waddlesplash> looks like we're on OpenSSL 1.0.2, so I can set SSL_CTX_set_ecdh_auto too[00:48:51] <Vidrep> bbl[00:49:11] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:49:39] <Begasus> g'night peeps[00:49:50] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:56:26] <_Dario_> hello[00:56:45] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev50423 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=00a3a794e048+%5E44ffe7c28fba[00:56:46] <HAIKU-irker848> b515f3b4b43b: BSecureSocket: Print SSL error message as well as the error code.[00:56:47] <HAIKU-irker848> 00a3a794e048: BSecureSocket: Let OpenSSL choose the most appropriate D-H curve.[00:57:28] <_Dario_> I found a little text editor with ODT support:[00:57:42] <_Dario_> https://s32.postimg.org/9i4wetj6t/Oasis_2.png[00:58:04] <waddlesplash> _Dario_: looks a lot like LittleWriter :P[00:58:30] <_Dario_> I dont know... I found it in Hithub.[00:58:40] <_Dario_> I just compiled it in Haiku[00:59:12] <_Dario_> maybe just re-discovered the weel? :-P[00:59:43] <_Dario_> https://github.com/pehohlva/qt-gmail-access/tree/master/document_editor_2[01:03:15] <_Dario_> In any case, maybe could be made as a foundation for a more complete app[01:03:41] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[01:04:19] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, it seems we're barking up the wrong tree[01:05:07] <Vidrep> I went back to hrev49939 and earlier - same thing[01:05:57] <Vidrep> I'll create a new ticket for this one. You might want to add your comments about the SSL error[01:07:43] <Vidrep> Doggone CD tray almost took off my fingertip due to the AHCI port reset bug present on those older builds. Ouch![01:10:08] <Vidrep> Hi Dario! How's things in Argentina?[01:11:31] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, I see you already created the ticket. Thanks![01:11:50] <_Dario_> Hello Vidrep![01:12:11] <_Dario_> here is a cold and windy day[01:12:26] <_Dario_> how about you?[01:13:04] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:14:05] <Vidrep> Same here, cold, windy, lots of rain. Bleh![01:17:46] <_Dario_> yeah... my cat is inside my wardrobe, between the wool clothes[01:18:21] <Vidrep> The difference is that your in winter. here it is summer[01:19:46] <Vidrep> Have you seen anything lately in Haiku development that has piqued your interest?[01:20:29] <XeonSquared> anyone know if the TiltOS stuff still works? Namely the X server?[01:21:45] <_Dario_> well, sincerely, I was a bit disconnected in the past two months[01:22:49] <Vidrep> Barrett's work has got me going lately[01:23:13] <_Dario_> the streaming support?[01:23:31] <Vidrep> Yes, and other things[01:23:41] <_Dario_> that is really nice[01:23:58] <_Dario_> I read about listen to radio over internet is possible now[01:25:47] <Vidrep> It requires a bit of a workaround to use it. Barrett has some ideas about solving that problem[01:26:39] <Vidrep> The infrastructure is there and it works pretty good provided you know the steps[01:27:04] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[01:27:45] <Vidrep> He is also beginning work on getting UltraDV working on Haiku[01:28:28] <_Dario_> maybe in the future MediaPlayer could manage youtube links, maybe?[01:29:12] <Vidrep> Apparently UltraDV going to be a lot more difficult than originally thought.[01:29:55] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-221-184.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:30:01] <Vidrep> Barrett is preparing an assessment for publication[01:31:05] <_Dario_> that was a video editor?[01:31:49] <Vidrep> Yes. It was a commercial video editor for BeOS that was open sourced[01:32:49] <_Dario_> great![01:33:30] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2738 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2738[01:34:01] <_Dario_> some time ago I saw that the PyQT libs was ported to Haiku[01:34:13] <_Dario_> that could bring some more apps too[01:34:50] <Vidrep> It isn't going to be a quick one week fix. So, I hope people who donated to the contract don't rag on him if it isn't perfect right aaway[01:35:43] <Vidrep> We should consider ourselves fortunate to have him working on this kind of stuff and give him encouragement[01:36:44] <_Dario_> Yes. All kind of help is welcome[01:37:46] <_Dario_> I found a little word processor written in QT[01:37:59] <_Dario_> I managed to compiled under Haiku[01:38:20] <Vidrep> A QT app,is it?[01:38:37] <_Dario_> is very close to the "LittleWriter" app (maybe, share the same code, I dont know)[01:38:40] <_Dario_> yes[01:38:53] <_Dario_> it can open and save ODT files[01:38:59] <_Dario_> (from OpenOffice)[01:39:45] <Vidrep> I'm using that copy of GoBe you gave me a while ago. Thanks again![01:39:50] <_Dario_> https://s32.postimg.org/9i4wetj6t/Oasis_2.png[01:40:00] <_Dario_> your welcome! :D[01:41:12] <Vidrep> Weren't you having some printer problems a while ago? Or was that somebody else I'm thinking of?[01:42:51] <_Dario_> well, I don't have any printer at home[01:42:57] <_Dario_> so, I guess not :-)[01:43:18] <Vidrep> It was somebody else then.[01:44:23] <Vidrep> Can't remember :/ Old man...[01:45:45] <Vidrep> I'm going to watch a football game. Maybe I'll come back after it's over.[01:45:57] <Vidrep> Have a god night dario[01:46:00] <Vidrep> good[01:46:38] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, thanks for looking into the ssl stuff tonight[01:46:53] <waddlesplash> np[01:47:03] <waddlesplash> I was poking at it today so it wasn't much trouble[01:47:43] <_Dario_> have a nice night too![01:49:17] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[01:49:38] *** aym <aym!~aym@2a02:17d0:66:f900:8480:4c26:ef86:4b98> has joined #haiku[01:50:06] *** aym <aym!~aym@2a02:17d0:66:f900:8480:4c26:ef86:4b98> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:00:07] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[02:00:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[02:01:51] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-159-142-37.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:02:03] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-158-78-63.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[02:02:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[02:40:22] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:40:59] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[02:41:31] <Vidrep> How was your "guru meditation"?[02:43:04] <Barrett> Vidrep, it's always useful to find the path[02:43:37] <Vidrep> Did you find it?[02:44:30] <Barrett> Vidrep, lol[02:45:30] <Vidrep> That bad, eh?[02:46:10] <Barrett> I know what to do[02:46:33] <Vidrep> :)[02:47:01] <Barrett> but well the route needs some horses to train the cargo[02:47:27] <Barrett> that's what the guru meditation is made for[02:48:25] <Barrett> my first concern is to show the situation to the users[02:51:02] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mpboyqcgvkzcxhzl> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[02:55:58] <Vidrep> When do you think you will have the report ready?[02:58:25] <Barrett> in the morning is the plan[03:01:36] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E083A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[03:01:38] <Vidrep> I always hated writing technical reports[03:02:01] <Barrett> yes it's not as satisfactory as writing code :)[03:02:22] <Barrett> but it's something definitely useful[03:02:44] <Vidrep> For a project like Haiku it's essential[03:03:34] <Barrett> I'm doing my best for that[03:03:36] <Vidrep> Some guys have a knack for it. I always enjoy rewading reports from PulkoMandy[03:03:49] <Vidrep> reading[03:05:19] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E083A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[03:06:26] <Vidrep> I'm thinking you're about ready to crash for the night.[03:06:39] <Barrett> that's right[03:06:44] *** xcor <xcor!~xcor@2a02:c7d:c07:7f00:3482:1c7:6d28:8e3f> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[03:07:05] <Vidrep> Have a good night. looking forward to the report[03:07:25] <Vidrep> back to watching my football game...[03:07:33] <Vidrep> bbl[03:08:54] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:09:10] *** xcor <xcor!~xcor@2a02:c7d:c07:7f00:1931:eb49:e078:c739> has joined #haiku[03:14:21] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151DCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:16:32] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[03:21:02] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:29:18] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #117 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid-debug is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid-debug/builds/117[03:30:23] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: IRC for Sailfish 0.9)[03:59:04] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@93.51.69.43> has joined #haiku[04:01:13] <HaikuUser> Hi guys, I'm Giova84. I just make a repository on GitHub for LittleWriter:[04:01:14] <HaikuUser> https://github.com/Giova84/LittleWriter[04:01:15] <HaikuUser>[04:01:15] <HaikuUser> Sorry for the late response, but three years ago, due a disk corruption i lost the source code; luckily I've found the source code on an old online backup.[04:01:16] <HaikuUser>[04:01:16] <HaikuUser> I'm looking for help/contributors to improve/enhance the app, since I'm not very expert in coding. Feel free to open issue/enhancement here: https://github.com/Giova84/LittleWriter/issues[04:01:17] <HaikuUser>[04:01:18] <HaikuUser> Now I have to go. Goodnight to all![04:01:31] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@93.51.69.43> has left #haiku[04:25:42] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:26:31] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has joined #haiku[04:27:04] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[04:48:27] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E083A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:56:48] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jntsbnouunjgmajw> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[05:10:15] *** axeld1 <axeld1!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-105-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined #haiku[05:10:15] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld1[05:12:33] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-082-149-187-185.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:12:33] *** axeld1 is now known as axeld[05:28:32] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9da52.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[05:30:17] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a796.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[06:43:55] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[07:01:31] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:35:07] *** _Dario_ <_Dario_!vision@186.22.121.223> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[08:09:49] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[08:20:00] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:e1e8:2950:15d5:46ea:3fd6> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[08:29:59] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151DCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:58:24] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[09:04:55] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[10:02:46] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a796.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[10:19:05] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Quit: “Out of the chaos, they will run and whimper, praying for me to end their tedious anarchy. I am drunk with this vision. God: the title suits Me well.” —SHODAN, System Shock)[10:20:19] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a796.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[10:23:10] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c-73-19-54-89.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[10:31:48] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:39:39] <HaikuUser> hi[10:39:46] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[10:39:48] *** HaikuUser is now known as tpy0[10:42:02] *** tpy0 <tpy0!~vision@c-73-19-54-89.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[10:47:24] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-158-78-63.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[10:47:38] *** tpy0 <tpy0!~soakbot@ec2-54-158-78-63.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[10:48:53] *** Skipp__OSX <Skipp__OSX!~jscipione@174-21-26-223.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[10:50:16] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jscipione@174-21-26-223.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[10:50:21] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[11:09:28] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a796.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[11:16:03] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:31] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:26:38] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a796.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[11:39:38] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[11:52:20] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #haiku[11:58:26] <postmen> Hi miqlas-H! Old busy guy!? :)[12:02:16] <miqlas-H> Hi postmen.[12:02:30] <postmen> nice to see u again![12:02:50] <miqlas-H> I had a long night yesterday, now i'm trinking my coffee, and looking at the BeBox photos from mmu_man.[12:03:08] <postmen> ok.[12:03:23] <postmen> been working or makin' parts so hard yesterday?[12:12:56] <Begasus> hi guys[12:13:47] <postmen> hi Begasus. how do u do?[12:15:15] <Begasus> fine here, lazy sunday :)[12:15:42] <Begasus> how are things overthere?[12:16:37] <Begasus> *checking scummvm (master download from git) to see if all engines still build :)[12:17:59] <postmen> well, fine, i had a good breakfast. and now i had do learn vhdl for a test tomorrow. but i just have no motivation.[12:18:16] <postmen> Do u mind me askin' u what kind of meditation u do?[12:20:16] <Begasus> me and meditation? (I just close my eyes) :)[12:22:10] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:31:52] <postmen> Begasus, sorry, mixed u up with barrett i think.[12:32:07] <Begasus> could be ... np[12:32:46] <postmen> miqlas-H, well, only thing i wanted to tell u the other night is, that, finally, i compiled hugs on haiku, although it's only the first and very outdated version. ;)[12:33:01] <miqlas-H> postmen, no, just wellnessig in a pub.[12:33:42] <miqlas-H> postmen: i'm using external tools for meditation.[12:33:55] <miqlas-H> Some prole call it as beer.[12:34:07] <Begasus> a nice "cold" one ;)[12:34:23] <miqlas-H> Begasus: cold head is always good to have.[12:34:38] <miqlas-H> Yesterday i had a nice philosiphial discussion about trees.[12:35:10] <miqlas-H> BTW, i met with a girl.[12:35:23] <Begasus> good on you miqlas-H ;)[12:36:26] <miqlas-H> actually we travel with the same bus every day, and she is the small smartpanty one with glasses and so on. She always reading a book, and i never have seen a mobile phone in her hands.[12:37:07] <miqlas-H> But 2 days long she haven't had book, so i bought her one, my favorite one, and i went there one morning, and told: hi, i got this book for you.[12:37:40] <miqlas-H> she was a bit surprised first (creepy miqlas is creepy), but since then we talk every day.[12:38:15] <Begasus> +1 someone has to take the first step :)[12:38:49] <miqlas-H> first i read: "someone has to take the first stop."[12:39:13] <miqlas-H> As i learned later, she studied literature, so book wasn't a bad idea.[12:41:41] <miqlas-H> she speaks german, english, french and romanian language, working at a university not far away from here.[12:44:11] <Begasus> multi languages ... always handy[12:47:16] <miqlas-H> my language skills aren't the best, but our language knowledge have a common section, so everything fine.[12:52:52] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[12:54:48] <Begasus> glad to be able to express myself in Dutch, German, English and French :)[12:56:31] <miqlas-H> Bonjur![12:57:47] <miqlas-H> Yesterday i bought a lot of meat, i thought i can cook something today.[12:57:48] <Begasus> Bonjour* ;)[12:58:04] <miqlas-H> But what can i do with 1 kg meat? I can't eat all of them alone.[12:58:19] <Begasus> tss[12:58:37] <miqlas-H> So if you are lucky enough to live somewehere near to Stuttgart, i would like to invite you to taste it.[12:58:51] <Begasus> prepare it ... devide it over daily portions?[12:58:58] <Begasus> hehe[12:59:19] <stargater> make pasta[13:00:54] <miqlas-H> then it will be yet become yet more, than i can eat...[13:01:22] <miqlas-H> i met yesterday wit my ex workmate, who don't eat anything just raw fruits.[13:01:41] <miqlas-H> he isn't vegn or something, he just don't eat anything else.[13:02:03] <miqlas-H> I should try it too[13:02:06] <stargater> miqlas-H: have you no friends?[13:02:29] <miqlas-H> i don't understand the logic behind your question.[13:02:42] <stargater> neighbors[13:03:37] <miqlas-H> of course, i have a wonderful friend, he looks the same as i'm, because we met just at the mirror at the bathroom in the mirror.[13:03:42] <stargater> 1kg is too much for one person[13:04:51] <miqlas-H> i know. i have neighbours and friends, but i have actually i don't want to cook today.[13:05:05] <johnny_b> lazy bum 8p[13:05:30] <miqlas-H> frickin' hungarians trying to capture the whole IRC.[13:06:33] <miqlas-H> LOLWUT: "runtime_loader: /boot/home/Desktop/ruby-2_4_0_preview1/miniruby: Could not map image: Out of memory"[13:07:30] <miqlas-H> johnny_b: mit szólnál egy pörkölthöz? Ha segítesz elkészíteni, a vendégem vagy.[13:08:14] <miqlas-H> We should fix this, because it makes my head hurt a much: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12791[13:10:50] <Begasus> ok ... all engines (also the ones in development) are still building for Haiku :D[13:11:16] <miqlas-H> Great news, i should try the residualVM in my sapre time.[13:11:36] <miqlas-H> "Listen to your hearth" playing in the pub...[13:11:43] <miqlas-H> All-time-favorite.[13:11:57] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[13:12:23] <miqlas-H> I can't fix the out of memory error in Ruby.[13:13:02] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:13:03] <miqlas-H> Sh{i|a}t[13:15:34] <Begasus> miqlas-H ... there is a Haiku download on their website (ResidualVM) :)[13:16:02] <postmen> miqlas-H, it's rubys fault! :) why don't u try compilin hugs 2.0 instead? it's not that difficult, i guess.[13:16:13] <miqlas-H> Are they have download on their website for time too?[13:16:30] <Begasus> time?[13:16:39] <miqlas-H> yeah, to play with it.[13:16:47] <miqlas-H> postmen: wich hugs? https://www.google.de/search?q=hugs&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=B2mLV6esNIifgAaRkZDYCQ[13:17:26] <Begasus> atm grim and myst are the only engines available for residualvm, don't know about 'time' ;)[13:17:54] <miqlas-H> i'd like to compile hugs with this girl i talked before. But i get just "no sufficient rights".[13:18:06] <miqlas-H> Maybe should i try sudo hugs?[13:18:07] <Begasus> lol[13:18:29] <Begasus> as long as you don't get a "slap" reply :P[13:18:52] <postmen> miqlas-H: https://www.haskell.org/hugs/pages/downloading-Nov2002.htm[13:19:01] <miqlas-H> And she have vacation now, so i get an error for sudo hugs too: out of arm.[13:19:47] <miqlas-H> postmen: have fun for haskell, i'm reading the 120 days of Sodom now, but i'm not a masochist.[13:21:27] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[13:21:37] <miqlas-H> We have a special-designed pissoir at the workplace, nad we have a recurring problem with "flooded floor"[13:21:49] <miqlas-H> I told to my boss, that it is just too short.[13:21:59] <miqlas-H> He asked me, what is too short?[13:22:29] <postmen> ;)[13:22:44] <miqlas-H> I told him, the only thing, where we have chance to change is the pissoir, or he could pay the cost of the oprations.[13:23:07] <postmen> ^^[13:23:16] <miqlas-H> I think we'd get a new pissoir.[13:24:10] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:24:15] <postmen> miqlas-H: Have a look on https://s32.postimg.org/9i4wetj6t/Oasis_2.png i think dario posted it. it's and editor that can edit open document files. i just wondered how he could compile it that easily, since i thought beos and haiku both have an unique window layout.[13:24:34] <postmen> miqlas-H: More details please! Please keep us posted![13:25:08] <miqlas-H> Ok, i'm always accessible to give new info about our pissoir.[13:25:18] <stargater> hmm i need in the next 6 mont a new laptop, i am not sure, macbook vs lenovo (x260, t460s) but lenovo ship with windows :( i dont need this, i will not buy a windows![13:25:19] <miqlas-H> I've seen the picture today morning.[13:25:31] <miqlas-H> I don't think it is too compilcated to get compiled.[13:25:49] <miqlas-H> stargater: buy it with FreeDOS[13:25:53] <postmen> stargater, you're from germany, aren't u?[13:26:41] <postmen> miqlas-H: try http://www.filewatcher.com/_/?q=hugs98-Dec2001.tar.gz - it compiles like charm. only thing you have to set is a prefix.[13:27:05] <Begasus> this pavilion came with Windows too ... hasn't booted into windows in ages ;)[13:28:21] <miqlas-H> postmen: if it compiles, then wehere is your recipe?[13:28:59] <miqlas-H> postmen: document-editor compiles after cloning the repo, switching to x86 arch, and qmake && make[13:30:37] <postmen> Begasus, i would consider schenker http://aspeers.blogspot.de/2015/05/test-notebook-schenker-m505.html and terra notebooks to.[13:30:59] <postmen> miqlas-H, thanks for the hint on compilin' document editor.[13:32:03] <postmen> well, and for the recipe, i'm not sure if and old version of hugs would be accepted. if u look on https://www.haskell.org/hugs/pages/latest.htm u see what the latest version is. since hugs is discontinued, it would be nice to have at least the last version.[13:32:37] <miqlas-H> postmen: http://chunk.io/f/02b22bb206a44e4c94e8b0a468c8a9ee[13:33:13] <miqlas-H> sorry: http://chunk.io/f/f69e0280b3b44165bcf0bb3a46de2541[13:33:34] <postmen> cool, i thought these days, somethin' like that would be great for haiku, since the most options in like ms word aren't need the most of the time anyhow.[13:34:40] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[13:35:06] <miqlas-H> postmen: http://chunk.io/f/d3934881296f4bef9e974b7444057af8[13:36:47] <miqlas-H> http://chunk.io/f/24beaea888394a93b7a488bff86364a8[13:38:11] <miqlas-H> The generated PDF looks good too[13:38:43] <stargater> yes from germany[13:38:58] <miqlas-H> postmen: if it is the only haskell, what you can get work, i think it should be accepted as recipe.[13:39:00] <stargater> miqlas-H: lenovo have no freedos[13:39:11] <postmen> ;) Well, i gotta work. http://www.filewatcher.com/_/?q=hugs98-Dec2001.tar.gz and https://www.haskell.org/hugs/pages/downloading-Nov2002.htm , both with --prefix=/boot/home - try it too or let it be, i gotta go on.[13:39:29] <miqlas-H> stargater: try to ask them if they can sell it with Haiku for you.[13:40:49] <miqlas-H> They got the money from the consumers, and if there enough people who wat it with Haiku, they'll make it.[13:41:45] <miqlas-H> I'd like to define an alias in bash wehere i want to use a vaiable. So my command would look like this : aliascommand input[13:41:55] <miqlas-H> How can i feed this argument to the alias?[13:42:07] <miqlas-H> $1?[13:44:21] <stargater> haiku with packagemanager .. hmm think... no[13:45:02] <stargater> i love beos spirit[13:46:40] <stargater> when i see haiku inc .. no donation reports 2015, and wenn i see over 30T € for the PM hmm , haiku are not in development, and at time the year is neer end, and the donation goal is by 2%[13:47:01] <stargater> so haiku are die[13:47:49] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[13:51:30] <postmen> stargater, one the one hand right, one the other hand it's quite amasin' how good in runs on old hardware and daily task are normaly not video renderin' etc.[13:54:05] <miqlas-H> on the other hand we will also die.[13:59:11] <postmen> i might found the error. ticket maybe. just don't fully understand it yet.[13:59:22] <postmen> miqlas-H, kind of pesimistic today?[14:03:06] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[14:06:19] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #haiku[14:09:48] <miqlas-H> postmen: i'm hungarian, weld-wide-known nation about the pessimism.[14:10:01] <miqlas-H> *world-wide[14:10:38] <miqlas-H> we are in top 10 in the self-murdering statistic.[14:22:45] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:22:51] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.132.72.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[14:22:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[14:25:08] <miqlas-H> any idea, why it isn't works as axpected? alias share="curl -sT \"$@\" chunk.io"[14:26:52] <Begasus> stargater ... if you feel so bad about Haiku, why stick around? we're all just volenteers that wan't to create something in and for Haiku, we all have day jobs to attend to, don't have a large bank account (atleast I don't :P) to donate ... PM maybe got that much, but as being part of Haiku I'm sure it has had it's advantages also for the OS ...[14:28:04] <Begasus> BeOS is dead (sure you could maybe run it on some older HW or virtual), we can stick to it, but doesn't bring us further into the future (even if it is with baby steps) :)[14:30:14] <miqlas-H> i'm all the time accessibe to work for porting things for haiku, i do it in my freee time, but could do a lot more in my main worktime.[14:30:30] <miqlas-H> It just doesn't work wthout payment.[14:30:54] <miqlas-H> I don't want you to spend money for me, please, don't misunderstand me.[14:31:10] <miqlas-H> I mean just i do my best in my freetime, and thats all.[14:33:26] <Begasus> we all do miqlas-H (do our best*) :)[14:33:42] <Begasus> and in our free time* :)[14:34:31] <miqlas-H> Bega: but maybe you don't get comments like this: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pulls[14:36:20] <Begasus> if it was for pr #700 .. I'm not even sure what that one is about :)[14:36:53] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[14:37:15] <miqlas-H> yeah, it is about #700[14:38:04] <miqlas-H> last beer for today.[14:38:14] <miqlas-H> I need to go to sleep after that.[14:38:53] <Begasus> maybe having a good commit comment would have saved some confusion (didn't see it was about ruby there)[14:40:38] <miqlas-H> Hollywood hills forever.....[14:41:54] <miqlas-H> I got my new company-phone last week. It is as big as a brick.[14:42:16] <miqlas-H> I have no idea, what should i do with it. I already have 2 phones.[14:42:30] <miqlas-H> and it takes just ne ŰSIM[14:42:40] <miqlas-H> one SIM[14:45:52] <miqlas-H> My profession (beer) cost me 18 EUR today.[14:46:23] <miqlas-H> so my haiku developement or porting work isn't free.[14:46:26] <postmen> miqlas-H, do us a favor, go sleep.[14:46:39] <miqlas-H> nope, i nee to cook yet.[14:50:29] <miqlas-H> maybe i sleep before.[14:57:49] <miqlas-H> my battery is almost empty.[15:02:31] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@HSI-KBW-109-193-200-105.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:04:41] <postmen> thank good. :)[15:06:41] <moochris> Hi, is there an epub reader for Haiku? (or a translator even)?[15:07:14] <moochris> I guess a port of calibre would be good as a fallback, but something native would be nice[15:11:09] <Begasus> heading out in a bit ... have a good afternoon all :) https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/15021355511[15:25:22] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[15:32:25] *** moochris <moochris!~vision@79-66-140-91.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[15:53:48] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:56:07] *** postmen|afk <postmen|afk!~tonyc@p5B15061E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[15:58:11] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151DCB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[15:58:49] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:03:47] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[16:04:17] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[16:20:49] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:20:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:25:16] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:28:05] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[16:43:14] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:43:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:43:54] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:46:22] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:46:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:46:38] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:53:17] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:53:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[16:55:17] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-131-15.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[16:55:19] <oxygene> hy[16:55:46] <oxygene> can you give me a stable nightly for r1 a4 (november 2012)[16:58:09] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has joined #haiku[17:01:58] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:02:17] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[17:02:50] <DHowett> oxygene: not happy with the one on the site?[17:03:27] <oxygene> no y try the latest image of nightly but the system freeze[17:03:46] <DHowett> i don't actually think there can be a "nightly" of r1a4: it's called a4 because somebody decided to cut a build that would never change[17:03:56] <oxygene> connection network so long, webpositive freeze[17:05:19] <oxygene> IIsi50MHz, say to me to try hrev50109 but in find not it[17:07:54] <PulkoMandy> we can't keep all the old nightlies, it would waste too much space on the server[17:08:39] <oxygene> how can i do ?[17:08:45] <PulkoMandy> you can try old revisions close to that one, for example http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/haiku-nightly-hrev50072-x86_gcc2_hybrid-anyboot.zip or http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/haiku-nightly-hrev50139-x86_gcc2_hybrid-anyboot.zip[17:09:40] <IIsi50MHz> I think oxygene installed nightly on top of alpha. I suggested to erase the alpha, then install nightly. But my French is terrible.[17:10:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, installing over alpha is not a good idea, it is better to start from a clean empty disk[17:10:16] <oxygene> so y try[17:10:22] <PulkoMandy> (for reference, I think we use a variant of http://jekor.com/log2rotate to decide which nightlies to keep)[17:18:02] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!quasselcor@2001:470:1f07:238::6f8> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:22:27] <postmen|afk> i could offer 50116[17:22:36] *** postmen|afk is now known as postmen[17:27:44] <IIsi50MHz> wb[17:30:49] <oxygene> hello IIsi50MHz[17:31:50] <IIsi50MHz> Salut[17:32:14] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:32:52] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[17:32:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:42:27] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #haiku[17:48:08] <postmen> where have all the hackers gone!?[17:49:21] <johnny_b> hackers? where? 8O[17:49:46] <postmen> ;)[17:49:55] <oxygene> bad[17:49:59] <oxygene> it's no good[17:50:37] <johnny_b> start to dance![17:51:06] <johnny_b> sry, start the dance![18:01:12] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:03:42] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-131-15.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[18:04:39] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[18:06:22] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E08714.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[18:17:36] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtqaxnvihwltxtfd> has joined #haiku[18:17:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[18:21:33] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[18:28:25] *** jstressman <jstressman!~justin@2601:407:c300:e1e8:945a:1f0a:ec48:693> has joined #haiku[18:28:32] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[18:42:27] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:43:03] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:43:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[19:10:23] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[19:10:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:12:13] *** regreg <regreg!regreg@85.121.54.224> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:12:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[19:12:57] <Vidrep> Good day[19:18:14] <postmen> salut Vidrep[19:20:34] <Vidrep> Ho postmen[19:21:37] <postmen> no news except promisin' port. https://s32.postimg.org/9i4wetj6t/Oasis_2.png ;)[19:25:05] <mmu_man> looks cool[19:31:04] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[19:44:41] <postmen> hi Negr0[19:50:02] <Vidrep> Other than phoudoin, who is able (or willing) to address issues with Haiku printing?[19:50:56] <Vidrep> Specifically, I am referring to ticket #12571[19:55:21] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[19:57:24] <mmu_man> well, since you can print to PDF you don't even need a printer to fix it[19:57:27] <mmu_man> you can send a patch :)[19:57:49] <postmen> well, i'm interested in networking and graphic driver, but haven't been into any of it, yet.[19:59:59] <Vidrep> I have a working printer, and want to print to paper[20:00:51] <Vidrep> I does print, of course. But only after specifying a page range first.[20:00:57] <Vidrep> It[20:02:22] <waddlesplash> only after specifying a page range? sounds like a bug[20:02:26] <Vidrep> This is a bug that needs to be fixed, not swept under the rug[20:03:01] <Vidrep> If you tick off "print all pages" it prints nothing[20:04:24] <Vidrep> Even if it is one page, you need to tick "print selected pages" and specify 1 to 1[20:07:46] <waddlesplash> LOL[20:07:50] <waddlesplash> do file a bug about that[20:07:59] <waddlesplash> I don't think I can investigate today tho[20:08:20] <Vidrep> There is an open ticket already #12571[20:09:26] <Vidrep> I gave a concise explanation with screenshots to illustrate the problem[20:09:44] <waddlesplash> ah[20:10:26] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:10:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:10:42] <waddlesplash> this is either going to be a very easy or very difficult fix[20:10:49] <Vidrep> The problem came to mind this morning when I wanted to print something, so I thought I'd bring it up here[20:11:32] <Vidrep> The ticket is assigned to phoudoin, who hasn't been around much at all in months[20:15:38] <waddlesplash> er, it works here[20:15:48] <waddlesplash> in StyledEdit anyway[20:16:26] <waddlesplash> but with PDF printer[20:18:14] <waddlesplash> ... WOW the printing system is a convoluted mess of dialogs[20:18:28] <waddlesplash> I recall it being bad but I didn't realize it was THIS bad[20:20:19] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-131-15.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #haiku[20:20:25] <waddlesplash> yeah, it works for me, and I don't have time to delve further[20:21:25] <Vidrep> This morning I was trying to print from GoBe and the problem is as described[20:23:17] <Vidrep> Printing from PDF is the same. StyledEdit works, but the print is an ugly mess of overlapping text[20:23:20] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:24:00] <waddlesplash> yeah saw that[20:24:28] <oxygene> bouh it's very difficult to do a update for haiku os[20:24:48] <Vidrep> There appears to be two separate issues here.[20:25:17] <Vidrep> Both Pe and StyledEdit have the overlapping text issue[20:25:50] <Vidrep> Gobe, BeatWare Writer, and PDF printing needs to have a page range specified[20:26:34] <postmen> oxygene, normaly it isn't. You haven't joined #haiku-fr , have u?[20:26:56] <postmen> hi Barrett.[20:27:08] <oxygene> yes but it's very quiet[20:27:24] <Vidrep> Anyway, at least somebody is aware of the issue now[20:27:41] <Vidrep> waddlesplash, thanks for at least looking[20:27:46] <postmen> oxygene, so, why don't u tell us what u've tried so far?[20:28:24] <Vidrep> Gotta go. Bye[20:28:27] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:28:36] <postmen> Vidrep, i'd love to look into it, i just have no idea if i'm the right person for. itd say it's a topic for code review meetin' at begeistert with at least 2 developers ...[20:28:37] <oxygene> i install a nightly but the network make a long time to setup and whit pkgman update give me an error[20:28:51] <postmen> ... ok, good by Vidrep and a nice afternoon.[20:29:30] <postmen> oxygene, ok, do u have network at all? Tried to open any website with webpositive?[20:30:18] <oxygene> for example www.google.fr with webpositive it's no accessible[20:30:49] <postmen> oxygene, i guess you just don't have internet at all since your network card might not be supported?[20:31:20] <oxygene> yes but with the r1a4 it's goog[20:31:21] <oxygene> yes but with the r1a4 it's good[20:31:47] <postmen> oxygene, not everything has been improved meanwhile, some stuff got messed up instead.[20:32:50] <postmen> oxygene, don't get me wrong, but have u tried lubuntu?[20:33:12] <oxygene> i'm on debian jessie with virtualbox[20:33:50] <postmen> so, do u install haiku in a vm? that should work normaly.[20:34:41] <oxygene> yes[20:36:22] <postmen> i'm usin' intel pro/1000 mt Desktop (Oracle VM Setting).[20:37:09] <oxygene> yes but with the r1a4 all is good[20:37:22] <oxygene> only pkgman it's no accessible[20:37:50] <postmen> yes, that's because there is not pkgman in r1a4![20:41:33] <oxygene> yes i know but can i do for install it[20:42:01] <postmen> no, u can't install it.[20:42:32] <waddlesplash> oxygene: you need a nightly build if you want pkgman[20:42:54] <waddlesplash> you can't install it in R1a4[20:43:16] <postmen> waddlesplash, she got, but she has no internet and so for pkgman is of no use at all to her.[20:43:30] <waddlesplash> ah[20:44:37] <mmu_man> https://xkcd.com/1700/[20:44:42] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has quit IRC (Quit: Life beckons.)[20:45:25] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: I saw that[20:46:07] <waddlesplash> it's almost too sad to be funny[20:46:22] <mmu_man> yeah[20:46:27] <mmu_man> almost too true[20:52:06] *** metallic <metallic!~slowwind@96.red-80-29-33.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net> has joined #haiku[20:53:35] <mmu_man> I just added something to https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system about not adding single quotes around the url[20:53:43] <mmu_man> I'm quite sure some people would think it's smart to do it :p[20:54:26] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~LLP@unaffiliated/leandroluiz> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:54:27] *** planktonizer <planktonizer!~planktoni@dsl-trebrasgw1-54fa4b-76.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:54:27] *** bslsk05 <bslsk05!~bslsk@irc.puckipedia.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:54:27] *** SirCmpwn <SirCmpwn!sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[20:55:09] <postmen> well, i didn't.[20:58:53] <oxygene> the webpositive freeze[21:00:20] <postmen> oxygene: I'm sorry.[21:00:58] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!54397cbf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.57.124.191> has joined #haiku[21:02:12] <oxygene> network connect is no good, i waiting few time for see what's happened[21:04:54] *** Alam_Squeeze <Alam_Squeeze!alam@rigginstereo.lawarias.srb2.org> has joined #haiku[21:05:14] <postmen> oxygene: https://www.youtube.com/results?q=haiku+os&sp=EgIQAw%253D%253D[21:08:49] *** [r4] <[r4]!~r4]@staticline-31-183-65-141.toya.net.pl> has joined #haiku[21:09:56] <postmen> 01000000 coders here.[21:13:25] *** planktonizer <planktonizer!~planktoni@dsl-trebrasgw1-54fa4b-76.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #haiku[21:13:26] *** SirCmpwn <SirCmpwn!sircmpwn@irc.sircmpwn.com> has joined #haiku[21:13:43] *** bslsk05 <bslsk05!~bslsk@irc.puckipedia.com> has joined #haiku[21:13:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bslsk05[21:13:50] *** LeandroLuiz <LeandroLuiz!~LLP@unaffiliated/leandroluiz> has joined #haiku[21:44:21] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:52:18] <oxygene> good[21:52:30] <oxygene> the problem was config of network on a vm[21:55:20] <IIsi50MHz> (>n.n<)[21:57:21] <mmu_man> toldya :)[21:59:34] <IIsi50MHz> Wish my Ubuntu problem were thus.[22:00:21] <IIsi50MHz> Thinking I have to reinstall, and the installer wants to _erase_ everything instead of just replacing broken bits.[22:00:25] <mmu_man> to use ubuntu you need to have an aptitude :D[22:00:32] <IIsi50MHz> True[22:01:15] <postmen> IIsi50MHz, tried to boot to console and do sudo update / sudo upgrade?[22:01:46] <IIsi50MHz> sudo aptitude --repair-x --repair-video-drivers (-: *wish*[22:02:19] <IIsi50MHz> Yeah, it can't fix itself. Nothing to upgrade to.[22:02:50] <PulkoMandy> is there a way to list which packages depend on a given one? (besides trying to uninstall it...)[22:03:18] <PulkoMandy> trying to see if we can deprecate our ncurses 5.9 package as it doesn't build with gcc5. Or if I should patch it instead[22:05:09] <IIsi50MHz> Good question[22:05:20] <postmen> funny statement.[22:06:08] <IIsi50MHz> Well, for ubuntu I could answer. (:[22:06:14] <postmen> hugs doesn't build with gcc2 either - can i then assume that there is an error in haiku or at least in haikus gcc?[22:06:33] <mmu_man> ohh one more thing to port http://openframeworks.cc/about/[22:07:00] <postmen> mmu_man, we do have a website for feature requests, don't we? ;)[22:07:58] <mmu_man> oh it's MIT[22:08:09] <mmu_man> postmen: like HP's bug tracker? :)[22:08:17] <mmu_man> I have a todo.org but it's not shared :)[22:08:35] <mmu_man> I should probably publish it someday[22:09:02] <mmu_man> oh well it's probably going to be hell slow with GL[22:09:11] <postmen> mmu_man, no, you shouldn't.[22:10:02] <postmen> of what use is it if it's not interactive?[22:10:29] <postmen> PulkoMandy, well, can you go verbose through all ports recipes and look for it?[22:11:02] <mmu_man> well it can be on an etherpad[22:11:26] <mmu_man> like, grep foo */*/*.rec* ?[22:14:51] <PulkoMandy> postmen: not easy because the recipes don't refer directly to the recipe name, but to the provided libraries, but yes, it's one way[22:14:59] <PulkoMandy> I hoped pkgman could be of some help[22:15:30] <postmen> PulkoMandy, git pull, delete and compile? but i guess it would fail.[22:16:10] <postmen> PulkoMandy, are you planing to go to begeistert this fall?[22:16:18] <PulkoMandy> yes of course[22:16:59] <postmen> great.[22:17:20] <postmen> btw http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15798291/c-code-with-ncurses-compiled-with-libtinfo-dependency - the answer looks interstin', but his beyond my personal scope.[22:25:42] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50424 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a933bb4cbca6+%5E00a3a794e048[22:25:43] <HAIKU-irker848> a933bb4cbca6: intel_extreme: IronLake reference clock activation[22:34:23] *** arman <arman!d9765116@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.81.22> has joined #haiku[22:34:34] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2927 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/2927 blamelist: Alexander von Gluck IV <kallisti5 at unixzen dot com>[22:34:43] <arman> Hi, anybody here?[22:35:23] <arman> I have a question.[22:38:37] <postmen> u re not the only one, but please, keep wonderin'[22:39:29] <arman> :D[22:39:56] <arman> I'm working on some features and need to know a way to replace system binary.[22:41:23] <postmen> bootin' from a stick, mount system disk and remove -r should remove all system binaries.[22:42:26] <arman> From bootable stick only few locations on mounted disk visible in Tracker[22:42:31] <arman> That's normal?[22:42:53] <arman> I patched desklink, but can't replace for testing[22:43:23] <arman> As example I can see nonpackaged, but can't see bin[22:44:31] <postmen> no, dont think that is normal - have u tried in the shell as well?[22:44:58] <arman> I'll try, thanks.[22:46:08] *** arman <arman!d9765116@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.118.81.22> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:47:19] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!54397cbf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.57.124.191> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:56:42] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has joined #haiku[22:56:49] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qtqaxnvihwltxtfd> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[22:57:10] <HaikuUser> I'm now on haiku from usb-flash[22:57:30] <HaikuUser> ~> cd /Haiku1[22:57:31] <HaikuUser> /Haiku1> ls[22:57:31] <HaikuUser> home system trash[22:57:32] <HaikuUser> /Haiku1> cd system/[22:57:32] <HaikuUser> /Haiku1/system> ls[22:57:33] <HaikuUser> cache non-packaged packages settings var[22:57:49] <HaikuUser> As you can see, no bin there[22:58:12] <HaikuUser> Any ideas?[23:01:06] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[23:02:33] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:10:46] <postmen> didn't know that.[23:13:13] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:13:57] <stargater> bin are in non-packaged[23:13:57] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:14:10] <stargater> or in packages[23:14:18] <postmen> stargater, rofl[23:14:28] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[23:14:30] <stargater> after add hhaiku pm is moved the bin folder[23:16:08] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:36] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:05] <postmen> non-packaged - but that one is empty.[23:17:28] <stargater> and in packages[23:18:05] <postmen> right, i think packages would have been the right answer.[23:19:37] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has joined #haiku[23:20:24] <stargater> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/install-applications[23:24:15] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has left #haiku[23:24:26] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has joined #haiku[23:25:51] <postmen> wb HaikuUser[23:27:10] <FlyingJester> haikuser[23:27:38] <HaikuUser> You mean that whole Haiku comes as package and for desklink testing I must rebuild package first?[23:28:51] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:28:51] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:30:01] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has left #haiku[23:30:05] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has joined #haiku[23:31:10] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[23:40:50] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[23:43:34] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15061E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[23:43:46] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@217.118.81.22> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:44:45] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-085-008-105-110.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:48:13] *** stippi_ <stippi_!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:48:46] *** stippi <stippi!~stippi@x4e37ebe8.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[23:48:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:54:00] <mmu_man> The nickname can consist of latin characters and digits only and must be between 4 and 16 characters in length.[23:54:03] <mmu_man> WHAT?[23:54:11] <mmu_man> depot.haiku-os.org wants to mutilate my nickname!?[23:54:47] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:56:31] <mmu_man> btw, the <title> is really bad[23:56:38] <mmu_man> it's fixed, really bad for accessibility[23:59:14] <mmu_man> hmm we can't use depot to add icon & screenshot?