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[01:35:07] <IIsi50MHz> stargate1: I was referencing some people's attitude that programmers who have learned a dialect of BASIC are mangled beyond hope of redemption. (:
[01:35:51] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson closed pull request #693: git: bump to 2.9.1. - https://git.io/vKCob
[01:35:53] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/vK01C
[01:35:54] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 735c6a9 - git: bump to 2.9.1. (#693)
[01:37:45] <IIsi50MHz> I figured: as long as postmen's profs are complaining, why not try to horrify them and/or lower their pesmistic expectations?
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[01:40:28] <pecan> IIsi50MHz: How about a little INTERCAL, in that case?
[01:45:10] <IIsi50MHz> I've read tales of its existance...
[01:45:26] <IIsi50MHz> Probably saw some snippets
[01:45:27] <pecan> It's gotten much better since the old INTERCAL-72 days.
[01:45:53] <pecan> Or possibly much worse, but that depends on your perspective and level of masochism I suppose.
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[01:48:48] <IIsi50MHz> heh
[01:49:20] <pecan> Its syntax is rather charming, actually. `PLEASE NOTE` is one of the better comment declarations.
[01:50:15] <pecan> well, actually, that's a syntax error, but INTERCAL sometimes ignores those.
[01:51:14] <IIsi50MHz> Like "::" in DOS batch, but slower, cuter, and more readable?
[01:51:28] <pecan> and slightly more unpredictable.
[01:52:07] <Ptrus> IIsi50MHz Don't malign BASIC, I've seen enough "spaghetti" code in c and c++, and some really well organized code in BASIC.
[01:52:24] <IIsi50MHz> Exactly, Ptrus.
[01:52:43] <pecan> IIsi50MHz: Oh, and if ‘PLEASE’ doesn't appear often enough, the compiler rejects your insufficiently polite program.
[01:52:54] <pecan> It keeps programmers respectable individuals.
[01:56:30] <pecan> At least modern INTERCAL has backtracking, probabilistic line execution, and the computed COME FROM statement.
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[02:11:02] <IIsi50MHz> Bad, bad, bad Notifications: {BBC News - Dozens feared dead after lorry crashes into Bastille Day celebrations} followed by {TED Talks - Nature is everywhere -- we just need to learn to see it}
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[02:12:54] <IIsi50MHz> Hello, Kushal.
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[02:33:05] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #768 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/768
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[17:57:34] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #665: libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.2, keep and fix libgcrypt.la, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voX6d
[17:57:38] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #665: libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.2, keep and fix libgcrypt.la, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voX6d
[17:57:41] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #665: libgcrypt: bump to 1.7.2, keep and fix libgcrypt.la, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voX6d
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[18:14:24] <Vidrep> Hi
[18:14:38] <johnny_b> hello
[18:15:52] <Vidrep> PulkoMandy, I added an issue to the weather app. I had to copy/past the debug info. Hopefully, that won't be a problem.
[18:16:11] <Vidrep> Hi johnny_b
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[18:39:25] <miqlas-H> Hi
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[18:41:35] <Skipp_macOS> hi
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[18:46:53] <johnny_b> hi miqlas-H
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[18:53:43] <Vidrep> Hi humdinger
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[18:54:09] <humdinger> Ho Vidrep
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[19:04:51] <oxygene> hy where can i find update for haiku
[19:05:27] <humdinger> oxygene: you already got a nightly image, or are you using the old alpha4?
[19:05:34] <oxygene> old alpha45
[19:05:35] <oxygene> old alpha4
[19:05:57] <humdinger> then you need to install a nightly first.
[19:06:08] <oxygene> yes in think
[19:06:08] <Vidrep> Has anybody else here been trying out the radio streaming enhancement in Mediaplayer?
[19:06:14] <humdinger> after that, updates are easy via package management
[19:06:49] <humdinger> oxygene: see https://www.haiku-os.org/get-haiku the red box on top
[19:07:21] <humdinger> Vidrep: I haven't yet. got a working URL?
[19:07:42] <Vidrep> Several
[19:08:01] <Vidrep> http://nostalgierockparty.ice.infomaniak.ch/nostalgierockparty-128.mp3
[19:08:02] <Skipp_macOS> I've heard chatter of testing going on in this channel
[19:08:57] <oxygene> humdinger, i not understand, sorry i m french, what does i do
[19:09:06] <humdinger> hmm... network indicates it's doing something, but MP doesn't play anything...
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[19:09:52] <humdinger> oxygene: get the latest anyboot from http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/
[19:10:02] <humdinger> and install like you did install the alpha4.
[19:10:11] <oxygene> ok y try
[19:10:57] <humdinger> oxygene: then see https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks and maybe the userguide what has changed wrt installing software etc.
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[19:11:05] <Vidrep> It's a bit of a clunky process at the moment to verify the URL (using BeGet), then copy/paste the URL into MP.
[19:11:45] <Vidrep> humdinger, that URL doesn't work for you? What hrev are you using?
[19:12:08] <humdinger> hrev50410
[19:12:15] <oxygene> yes but pkgman it's not in the file system
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[19:12:34] <humdinger> oxygene: it will be after you installed the nightly :)
[19:12:47] <oxygene> yes but who is it
[19:13:49] <humdinger> where is pkgman?
[19:14:33] <oxygene> here : https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/update
[19:14:52] <humdinger> you have to install a nightly image first.
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[19:15:11] <Skipp_macOS> ... we really need to release H1B1 already...
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[19:15:19] <Vidrep> oxygene, you need to open the repository files and edit them to current - /boot/system/settings/package-repositories
[19:15:36] <humdinger> after installing a nightly...
[19:16:23] <Vidrep> url=http://packages.haiku-os.org/haiku/master/x86_gcc2/current
[19:16:59] <humdinger> Vidrep: easier to do via pkgman, as described at https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/update
[19:19:47] <Vidrep> humdinger, the URL in the package-repository should be set to current by default
[19:20:38] <Vidrep> I know it was explained to me before why that isn't the case
[19:20:54] <humdinger> yes. but once there is an official release again, it'll be fixed to the hrev of the release.
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[19:21:12] <humdinger> I guess one could change it for now and change it back for a release.
[19:21:21] <humdinger> dunno why that isn't done...
[19:22:34] <Vidrep> Until there is an official release we're just updating (sometimes daily). So why not make it easy to do, instead of having to manually set it?
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[19:23:01] <humdinger> as I said, I dunno.
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[19:23:59] <Vidrep> Newbies who come to Haiku will type pkgman into the terminal and get the "nothing to do" message, even if there are updates available
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[19:24:31] <PulkoMandy> Vidrep: there will be a default repo with updates for the beta release
[19:24:33] <oxygene> for your information, i proceed an install of fpc 3.0 for haiku and le last version of lazarus fpc 1.6 (installed first) fpc binary and qt systlem (4.5)
[19:24:36] <PulkoMandy> but not for the nightlies
[19:24:43] <oxygene> it's very good
[19:25:33] <Skipp_macOS> PulkoMandy, how is the B1 build server coming btw?
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[19:26:07] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_macOS: I had several package failing to build in my last run. Had no time to investigate until now, and it turns out it was sourceforge being in "disaster recovery" mode
[19:26:14] <PulkoMandy> so, not a problem on our side
[19:26:22] <Skipp_macOS> k
[19:26:28] <PulkoMandy> running a new build now to see if it goes better and how many recipes actually need a fix
[19:26:53] <PulkoMandy> also we still need more suitable hosting for this, and more build slaves because I don't plan to keep using my dev machine for that
[19:27:05] <PulkoMandy> (especially as it is connected using wifi and that tends to crash a bit too often)
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[19:27:37] <PulkoMandy> you can see the buildmaster interface at http://pulkomandy.tk/~pulkomandy (gcc2 only for now)
[19:28:36] <humdinger> OMG, PulkoMandy! you're not a knight rider fan, are you? :D
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[19:28:56] <PulkoMandy> :)
[19:29:14] <oxygene> hmmm where is the pkgman file
[19:29:20] * humdinger lops over a hasselhoff
[19:29:32] <Skipp_macOS> could we host the build master on the haiku-os.org server?
[19:29:35] <humdinger> oxygene: it's a command in /bin
[19:29:54] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_macOS: yes, preferably inside a virtualmachine (one of the existing ones or a new one)
[19:30:12] <PulkoMandy> I don't have access there and I don't really want to mess with it
[19:30:58] <Skipp_macOS> as far as I understand Haiku's infrastructure we have a hosted server somewhere in Europe that hosts haiku-os.org and related sites, then we have several Mac Minis spread around the globe
[19:31:04] <Vidrep> oxygene: open a terminal and type "pkgman update"
[19:31:17] <oxygene> is it not in the /bin
[19:31:30] <Skipp_macOS> so, perhaps there is a spare mini somewhere that could be used?
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[19:31:51] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_macOS: we also have a server at ports.haiku-files.org, which is in the US
[19:32:07] <humdinger> oxygene: you are running a nightly now?
[19:32:12] <PulkoMandy> and haiku-os.org is in germany
[19:32:15] <oxygene> no the first iso file
[19:32:18] <oxygene> 2012
[19:32:21] <Skipp_macOS> Germany is in Europe :)
[19:32:38] <humdinger> oxygene: you need to run a nightly image.
[19:32:42] <PulkoMandy> and the mac minis are meant to be build slaves (some are used for the nightly builds already)
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[19:32:54] <PulkoMandy> the remaining minis will be setup as build slaves for the packages, once the master is running
[19:33:18] <PulkoMandy> it seems simpler to have the master and the package repo on the same machine (would save rsync'ing the packages from the buildmaster to the repo)
[19:33:21] <Skipp_macOS> PulkoMandy, do you have access to the ports.haiku-files.org server?
[19:33:26] <miqlas-H> PulkoMandy: maybe you can provide a list about the failing recipes, so we can try to update them
[19:33:52] <miqlas-H> johnny_b: PM
[19:34:02] <PulkoMandy> Skipp_macOS: I have shell access there, yes. maybr I can experiment with using that one
[19:34:06] <Vidrep> miqlas-H, good idea!
[19:34:10] <PulkoMandy> (the hostname seems fitting at least)
[19:34:21] <PulkoMandy> miqlas-H: the buildmater status page provides that
[19:34:37] <PulkoMandy> http://pulkomandy.tk/~pulkomandy/
[19:35:00] <PulkoMandy> note that I'm running it on a "release" branch at github.com/pulkomandy/haikuports, not the current trunk of haikuports
[19:35:14] <PulkoMandy> I'm trying to get a working subset of the recipes, more or less matching what's in the current repos
[19:35:23] <PulkoMandy> (we can add more to it once we have the basic set working)
[19:36:50] <PulkoMandy> hey, the host machine for ports.haiku-files.org has been updated since last time I logged in there
[19:37:00] <PulkoMandy> 8 core, 32GB ram, surely this can run the buildmaster :)
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[19:39:33] <Skipp_macOS> w00t
[19:40:13] <PulkoMandy> (it's shared with some other users however, not a dedicated server)
[19:41:06] <Skipp_macOS> that's ok
[19:41:33] <PulkoMandy> yes, the buildmaster is not taking a lot of resources anyway
[19:41:37] <humdinger> How do I update a patchset used by haikuporter for a newer version of an app?
[19:42:07] <humdinger> there are several patches in that patchset and I want to keep the original author for the credit.
[19:42:25] <humdinger> but at least one patch doesn't apply anymore.
[19:43:02] <PulkoMandy> tell haikuporter to download the new sources, but not patch (probably using --no-patch or similar)
[19:43:13] <PulkoMandy> then, go to the source directory and apply the patchset using "git am"
[19:43:45] <PulkoMandy> when you get to the part that fails, fix the conflicts, and once you have fixed them, git am --continue (it will proceed to the next commits in the patchset)
[19:43:58] <PulkoMandy> when done, use --extract-patchset to generate an updated patchset
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[19:51:27] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: sorry, had to do some experimenting...
[19:51:54] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: where do I fix conflicts? in the source or in the patch in .git/rebase-apply/patch?
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[19:53:57] <PulkoMandy> in the source
[19:54:11] <humdinger> ok, thanks!
[19:54:12] <PulkoMandy> git will add conflict markers which look like ">>>>> <<<<< ======"
[19:55:06] <humdinger> hmm... I have tese two errors:
[19:55:08] <humdinger> error: client/chart.c: does not exist in index
[19:55:09] <humdinger> error: configure: does not exist in index
[19:58:48] <oxygene> i proceed at the laster update and network connection fail
[19:59:37] <humdinger> oxygene: wifi or lan?
[19:59:37] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: so the patch modifies files which don't exist anymore
[19:59:49] <oxygene> lan
[20:00:36] <humdinger> PulkoMandy: oh. I tried to apply the patch outside the "work" folder... oops.
[20:01:57] <oxygene> ok so now good, just a configuration of network
[20:03:32] <humdinger> cool, oxygene!
[20:05:43] <oxygene> yes
[20:06:08] <oxygene> now when i do an update i launch, pkgman update
[20:06:46] <humdinger> oxygene: yes, but first you have to add the "current" repo, as described at https://www.haiku-os.org/tags/update
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[20:39:23] <Vidrep> Tracker crashed on me and had to reboot from KDL
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[21:07:56] <oxygene> hmm the webpositive software freeze when i do an uplodad en halt any time
[21:08:07] <oxygene> i use the last nighty
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[21:52:02] <postmen> oxygene: please join #haiku-fr
[21:54:32] <postmen> PulkoMandy, to generate the nightlys from the source code, what kind of computer would i need?
[21:54:59] <postmen> 32 gb ram, ok, i don't have that.
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[22:08:20] <Barrett> postmen, where did you read that?
[22:08:49] <Barrett> a dual core and 2 GB should be Ok if you can wait 1 or 2 hours
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[22:19:18] <stargater> OpenGL in haiku is working software/hardware
[22:22:41] <stargater> kallisti5: https://github.com/fogleman/Craft will this run on haiku ?
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[22:36:15] <postmen> stargater, do u have time to look into somethin', if u got opengl runnin'?
[22:39:16] <postmen> https://github.com/processing/processing/wiki/Supported-Platforms - i don't know if opengl is required, if i just have to set the path to java or if it's somethin' else.
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[23:00:05] <stargater> i think haiku have mesa
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[23:04:12] <postmen> stargater, what?
[23:04:18] <postmen> sorry, what? ;)
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[23:13:07] <stargater> i think haiku have mesa.org
[23:13:22] <stargater> but i think this are missing http://www.glfw.org
[23:14:57] <postmen> thank u, so i'm only wastin' my time with it. it ain't that importent.
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[23:41:51] <stargater> np
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[23:58:57] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #701: asciidoc: bump to 8.6.9, move config files to settings/asciidoc/. - https://git.io/vKzJv
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