July 12, 2016 
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<akt-hkcu> Hello[02:53:28] <jessicah> munchausen: use g++ as linker step instead of gcc[02:53:32] <jessicah> see if that helps[02:54:07] <jessicah> you have gcc -o "objects.x86-gcc2-release/BeCalc".. should probably be g++ in this step too[03:05:15] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has joined #haiku[03:15:43] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~jscipione@174-21-26-223.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:15:51] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[03:16:42] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-26-223.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #haiku[03:16:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[03:21:54] <akt-hkcu> just finished the list of requested software from the forum. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NFrQ_B9PH_QNvXTKQDnflXAp8b3qvY_rL9wEecbGrYc/edit?usp=sharing[03:22:21] <akt-hkcu> may need some final touches and tweaking to get colour coding done properly, but most of the content is there.[03:24:25] <akt-hkcu> also need to edit some of the categories.[03:39:00] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:48:02] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:49:57] *** bb010g <bb010g!uid21050@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tftwewjgrgfvtofo> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:52:39] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:55:03] *** js <js!~js@80-219-254-76.dclient.hispeed.ch> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[03:57:28] *** js <js!~js@webkeks.org> has joined #haiku[03:57:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o js[03:57:47] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ekwkrlnasnyxksjy> has joined #haiku[04:01:28] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-26-223.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[04:03:53] *** looncraz 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apparent[05:25:12] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9ec54.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[05:28:37] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9c90a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[05:34:38] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[05:37:04] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[05:58:10] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@174-21-26-223.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[06:37:36] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:40:15] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has joined #haiku[06:45:32] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:50:15] *** Slor <Slor!~slor@unaffiliated/slor> has joined #haiku[06:51:46] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9ec54.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[07:39:01] <munchausen> jessicah hey, thanks, yeah I did try that[07:39:39] <munchausen> Barrett thanks will check it out later[07:46:24] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[08:12:37] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:16:29] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ekwkrlnasnyxksjy> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[08:58:01] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[09:04:27] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9ec54.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[09:05:10] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #haiku[09:08:08] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has joined #haiku[09:09:18] *** postmen 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Builds, now crashes on startup trying to resize itself. Will take a deeper look some other time[11:49:03] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151F44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:55:18] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.130.175.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[12:23:42] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[12:42:21] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[12:50:45] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.130.175.mobile.tre.se> has joined #haiku[12:50:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[13:32:10] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:32:45] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[13:41:39] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[13:43:13] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-1/±0] https://git.io/vKC2W[13:43:14] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 87bc25a - icu: add recipe for version 57.1.[13:44:48] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: korli * hrev50411 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=60d6c709d7af+%5E17ecf642b5c5[13:44:49] <HAIKU-irker848> 60d6c709d7af: Update icu packages to 57.1.[14:14:43] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:15:15] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:28:49] <munchausen> hmm how well is bluetooth working now? Can you connect to a SPP and send/recieve?[14:30:11] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-145.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[14:31:44] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:32:17] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:32:52] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-109-095.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:35:26] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #693: git: bump to 2.9.1. (WIP) - https://git.io/vKCob[14:39:40] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:40:57] <postmen> i'm slowly beginnin' to hate windows.[14:43:08] <Barrett> welcome in the circle[14:44:03] <postmen> again, another update - nothin' bad about that. with an reboot followin', not authorized by me, loosin' all informations in open browser tabs, what ain't the end of the world, but not a good behavior as well i'd say.[14:44:22] <Paradoxon> postmen[14:44:26] <Paradoxon> thats my fault[14:44:50] <postmen> probably it pointed the gun on me, givin' me ten minutes until reboot and since i didn't respond because i was out of the room ...[14:44:54] <Paradoxon> i men losing the browsing history..[14:45:00] <postmen> Paradoxon, what's your fault?[14:45:07] <Paradoxon> or arent you talking about haiku?[14:45:26] <Paradoxon> ahh you talking about windows[14:45:33] <Paradoxon> so its not my fault *lol*[14:45:51] <postmen> Paradoxon, nope.[14:46:11] <postmen> apple although makes trouble, i stronly recommand https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/geek-news-central-audio/id73331167?mt=2#[14:47:09] <postmen> its about apple deletin' files from user computer (musics), there was an shitstorm on twitter u might have noticed.[14:49:06] <postmen> they both are, other than haiku, 'reliable' and 'fully trustworthy'.[14:49:30] <postmen> </end of cynical>[14:50:58] <Paradoxon> they are other than haiku powerd buy many hundres devs per mont[14:52:03] <Paradoxon> its guessed that its around 1000 per mont ..[14:52:11] <Paradoxon> employee[14:52:17] *** ppisati_ <ppisati_!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[14:52:19] <Paradoxon> so we are doing really good[14:52:27] <Paradoxon> for the small number of devs..[14:52:52] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-247-67.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[14:53:19] <Paradoxon> there where even researches why such small open source projects are so enormus productive compare to "normal" development[14:54:24] *** ppisati <ppisati!~ppisati@2-235-152-247.ip228.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:55:50] <postmen> ^^ well, i guess they earn more than they are worth at microsoft and apple.[14:57:37] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[14:58:11] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-212-31.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[15:01:27] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-247-67.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:02:51] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@c-73-189-131-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:08:33] <Barrett> open source has the "advantage" of not being concerned to market laws[15:08:52] <Barrett> usually open source projects are more focused to an idealistic aim[15:09:09] <Barrett> and you don't have to change your code every six months because the trend is going elsewhere[15:09:42] <Barrett> things like agile development are evil[15:11:35] <mmu_man> oh i saw a nice article about those trends the other day :)[15:14:08] <postmen> i wanted to try to build scratch from scratch on haiku, wonderin' if that would work or why not.[15:14:32] <postmen> but when i download the source from https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_1.4_Source_Code#Download_2 i end up with an image file! Everybody can tell me how that comes?[15:16:57] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-234-50.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[15:20:15] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-212-31.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:20:18] <Barrett> postmen, https://github.com/LLK/Scratch_1.4[15:21:30] <Barrett> you need to run it in a SquakVM[15:21:38] <Barrett> squeak[15:21:57] <postmen> Barrett, thank u very much, i will check if that's available on haiku.[15:23:15] <postmen> doesn't look like. one more question. anybody an idea what causes that behaviour? https://nopaste.me/view/d8e23e97[15:24:06] <Paradoxon> in beos there was a "filesystem addon" for ftp so that i could "mount" a ftp server like a local disk[15:24:35] <Paradoxon> does anyone knows if this is still somewhere floating around in the internet?[15:25:31] <postmen> u got the name?[15:25:57] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[15:26:18] <Paradoxon> no sadly not[15:26:27] <Barrett> http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/unsorted/www.emupt.com/beos/f/ftpfs-0.5.0a.zip[15:27:06] <Paradoxon> thanks barret[15:28:20] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:28:56] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[15:30:46] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-244-92.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[15:31:47] <Paradoxon> hmm it looks like at some point the source where available :/[15:31:50] <Paradoxon> but not anymore[15:32:57] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-234-50.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:40:31] <Barrett> I've been under the impression it was included in Haiku but apparently it's not[15:41:53] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-244-92.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:42:13] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-244-92.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[15:43:28] <postmen> Paradoxon, well, i could only find similiar projects. http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/[15:44:41] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@pool-96-231-171-171.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[15:44:50] <postmen> or http://www.ayukov.com/nftp/ (looks interesting)[15:45:40] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[15:46:56] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-244-92.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[15:47:54] <postmen> and finally there is http://ftpfs.sourceforge.net/[15:48:00] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@pool-96-231-171-171.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:48:00] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@unaffiliated/swift110> has joined #haiku[15:54:02] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-109-095.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:01:13] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-225-10.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[16:03:21] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.130.175.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[16:04:33] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@unaffiliated/swift110> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:08:27] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[16:08:37] <Begasus> plop[16:08:54] <postmen> wb Begasus.[16:10:54] <Begasus> thanks postmen :)[16:11:41] <Begasus> having some time of from work is nice (like last week), back to the dayjob this week, so not as much time I would like to spent in Haiku[16:16:13] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: korli * hrev50412 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b134f7103333+%5E60d6c709d7af[16:16:14] <HAIKU-irker848> b134f7103333: Set the image size for debug nightlies to 700MB.[16:19:05] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8595bf.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[16:19:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[16:19:49] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[16:19:53] <Begasus> humdinger![16:20:20] <humdinger> oi Begasus![16:20:28] <Begasus> :)[16:20:33] <humdinger> how are the dogs?[16:20:35] <humdinger> wet?[16:21:01] <Begasus> any thoughts if the recipe for crimson needs changing? (haven't seen any new comments on the PR)[16:21:09] <Begasus> no, it's still dry here :)[16:21:46] <Begasus> our youngest lady started to go into heat (at about 6 months) ... so it's a time out for her and the males ;)[16:21:47] <humdinger> good for you, Begasus. raining here all day...[16:21:53] <Begasus> jikes[16:22:17] <Begasus> just had a few 'drops' but nothing more (yet) :)[16:25:00] <humdinger> crimson recipe looks good to me. (besides the unnecessary linking to $binDir, but that's just me... :)[16:26:11] <Begasus> if there would be a General feeling about how to handle this I would change it :) but no one stepped up so far (aside from us) :)[16:26:22] <humdinger> one thing that's not that nice is the .crimson folder in home[16:26:52] <Begasus> probably could be changed with localedir maybe[16:27:16] <humdinger> IMO having links in $binDir pointing into $appsDir is just not necessary. doesn't make it any "cleaner"[16:27:31] <Begasus> otherwise I would have to use settingsDir and GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES .. but those are a pain to use :/[16:28:00] <humdinger> If I understand $settingsDir correctly it's almost always the wrong thing to use.[16:28:21] <humdinger> It'll always point to /system/settings instead of B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY.[16:28:29] <Begasus> been fidling with it a few times, with no real results ...[16:29:56] <Begasus> imho it should be taken care of with haikuporter, drop the hpkg in config/packages 'settingsDir' points to the HOME direction, if installed in system/packages point to SYSTEM ...[16:29:56] <humdinger> I think to use B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY you pretty much always would have to patch the code.[16:30:59] <humdinger> I think the $settingsDir always points to the one used at compile time, i.e. when haikuporter builds the package.[16:31:12] <Begasus> right, and I've seen it in the patch for lbreakout2 ... even without the patch it search for the HOME enviroment ... so I'm guessing a bit pointless to have it patching to use B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY ...[16:33:33] <Begasus> not sure humdinger ... if an app using settingsDir it always search in SYSTEM ... even when installed in HOME[16:34:27] <humdinger> I mean, if you use $settingsDir when configuring the build to use that as path when compiling.[16:34:36] <humdinger> it'll use $settingsDir at the compile time.[16:34:52] <Begasus> that's true[16:35:57] <humdinger> so, it' OK to use in the recipe when copying stuff in INSTALL() e.g., not to fill some variables when configuring the build.[16:36:01] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:36:49] <Begasus> runConfigure should take care of most of those things[16:37:39] <humdinger> I'm a bad porter. :) I don't really know what runConfigure exactly does...[16:38:56] <Begasus> it takes all the needed steps to put the files into the correct destination (also for $settingsDir) :)[16:39:26] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-227-144.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[16:39:27] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-225-10.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:40:46] *** brobostigon <brobostigon!~ptaylor@taylorworld.me.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:41:16] *** brobostigon <brobostigon!~ptaylor@taylorworld.me.uk> has joined #haiku[16:42:01] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:42:26] *** happy-dude <happy-dude!uid62780@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ztjlpiuvhxrxplxc> has joined #haiku[16:43:22] <Begasus> checking out with CrimsonFields atm ...[16:43:57] <Begasus> ps humdinger ... we got our rain now :)[16:44:21] <Barrett> hmmm why pkgman install from a local hpkg fetch the repo?[16:44:44] <Barrett> I'd expect it to install the local package flawlessy[16:45:02] <humdinger> maybe for dependencies?[16:45:40] <Barrett> seems counterintuitive[16:45:50] <Barrett> in the end it didn't install the package anyway[16:47:46] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[16:49:25] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[16:55:08] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:55:44] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[16:59:11] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:59:17] *** brobostigon <brobostigon!~ptaylor@taylorworld.me.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:59:23] *** brobostigon <brobostigon!~ptaylor@taylorworld.me.uk> has joined #haiku[16:59:43] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:00:20] <Begasus> ├── apps[17:00:20] <Begasus> │ ├── CometCF -> ../bin/comet[17:00:21] <Begasus> │ └── CrimsonFields -> ../bin/crimson[17:00:21] <Begasus> ├── bin[17:00:22] <Begasus> │ ├── bi2cf[17:00:23] <Begasus> │ ├── cf2bmp[17:00:23] <Begasus> │ ├── cfed[17:00:24] <Begasus> │ ├── comet[17:00:24] <Begasus> │ └── crimson[17:00:37] <Begasus> does this look better to you humdinger? ;)[17:02:12] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-227-144.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:03:39] <humdinger> yes, almost. :) but if CrimsonFields works when in $appsDir, you could keep the binary just there.[17:03:45] <humdinger> what does CometCF do?[17:04:43] <humdinger> also, don't you keep the stuff in "share" in the Crimson folder in $appsDir?[17:04:47] <Begasus> it's the level editor for CrimsonFields, wasn't sure to include it in the $appsDir[17:05:11] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50413 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=49cabb0d5d7d+%5Eb134f7103333[17:05:12] <HAIKU-irker848> 49cabb0d5d7d: intel_extreme: Fix regression from hrev50410; #12855[17:05:15] <humdinger> maybe put both and the share folder in $appsDir/Crimson/[17:05:41] <Begasus> it's mainly pixmaps and application for linux ...[17:06:07] <Begasus> they are not needed for Haiku :)[17:06:32] <humdinger> yes, but the rest in share is.[17:06:52] <Begasus> they end up in $dataDir (the stuff that is needed)[17:07:03] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-227-144.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[17:07:32] <humdinger> I hope in a Crimson subfolder...[17:07:34] <postmen> Begasus, how do i switch to gcc 4? i mean, if i have a configure script, do i have a choice at all?[17:07:48] <humdinger> setarch x86[17:08:33] <Begasus> nope humdinger ... (hence my thoughts of having them in $appsDir) they don't use subfolders with runConfigure ...[17:09:10] <humdinger> that's my main beef... the $dataDir gets very crowded...[17:09:56] <Begasus> spamming you with the tree atm :)[17:10:07] <Begasus> mine too[17:10:56] <Begasus> as they would be contained in a 'container' it shouldn't mess with other stuff ... but I'm still not convinced it wouldn't in the future ...[17:12:53] <humdinger> Some recipes put their stuff in another subfolder: $dataDir/packages.[17:13:10] <humdinger> I like that, but it's another level down, which other people don't like.[17:13:34] <Begasus> yep, that would mean you'd have to use --datadir=$dataDir/crimson in this case[17:14:15] <humdinger> I meant datadir=$dataDir/packages/crimson[17:14:25] <humdinger> but as there's no real guideline....[17:14:39] <Begasus> ?[17:15:08] <Begasus> $dataDir links to ./packages/data[17:15:34] <humdinger> but they appear in e.g. ~/config/data[17:15:57] <Begasus> yeah, not as ~/config/packages/data?[17:16:10] <humdinger> nope[17:17:13] <Begasus> so it would be better to contain them in --datadir=$dataDir/crimson (which you'd have to create a "INSTALL" time ...[17:18:08] <humdinger> yes, that's what you already did in the tree you pasted in our private channel.[17:18:51] <humdinger> just saying, one could move it all another level down : $dataDir/packages/crimson[17:19:34] <humdinger> but since every package does it differently, it won't save much mess in $dataDir[17:19:42] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-227-144.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:20:39] <Begasus> that's why a main guideline about this would make it easier for us ;)[17:21:25] <Begasus> 1 let the system descide where to put the binaries and data (if needed in a subdirectory)[17:21:58] <Begasus> 2 link the applications from $binDir to $appsDir if they don't need to be started from Terminal[17:22:10] <Begasus> or ...[17:22:48] <Begasus> just install the app in $appsDir (and maybe link them into $binDir) if they 'can' be launched from Terminal[17:23:30] <humdinger> I'd prefer your 2).[17:23:50] <Begasus> 1 and 2 hold together ;)[17:24:10] <Begasus> but that's the problem now ... it's not clear how to procede ...[17:24:14] <humdinger> yes. I mean in contrast to your "or . . ."[17:24:19] <Begasus> ;)[17:25:46] <Begasus> ok, then why is ClipDinger in a subfolder in $appsDir? ;) (or Vision ... or some of the other apps) :)[17:27:05] <humdinger> because they as native apps don't want to spread everywhere. :)[17:27:05] <Begasus> mind you, I could live with that :) but then I'd prefer only ann ap or a link to the app in $appsDir[17:27:15] <Begasus> tsss :P[17:27:34] <Begasus> that's not consistant(?)[17:28:32] <Barrett> so I don't really understand how pm works behind[17:28:37] <Begasus> rules and guidelines should make it easier on 'all'[17:28:45] <Barrett> I had to reboot to have a package really replaced[17:29:02] <Barrett> it made me to lost half an hour debugging a problem that wasn't mine : /[17:29:06] <Begasus> in SYSTEM Barrett?[17:29:09] <Barrett> yes[17:29:16] <humdinger> maybe, since all are virtual folders anyway, we should only have an "apps" folder with one subolder per app and virtually put all the data, documentation bin etc. in there...[17:29:20] <Begasus> did you install it with HD?[17:29:30] <Barrett> it's automatically installed in system by HD[17:29:58] <Begasus> but that should install it from your local HD?[17:30:07] <Begasus> atleast that's how I've seen it here[17:30:11] <Barrett> yeah it's a local package[17:30:29] <Begasus> and dropping it in system/packages?[17:31:13] <Barrett> tried it but looked like to have the same exact issue, let me recheck[17:31:32] <Begasus> thats contradition humdinger ... why add a subfolder there if you don't put all the data in there?[17:32:02] <humdinger> I do. "with one subolder per app and virtually put all the data, documentation bin etc. in there..."[17:32:30] <Begasus> that's what I did for crimson (in the present PR)[17:32:52] <humdinger> yes. but it all appears in different places in the filesystem.[17:33:05] <humdinger> Haiku could make it all appear in your app's folder[17:33:15] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:33:20] <Begasus> not with the present PR (aside from config files and the manpage) :)[17:34:12] <Begasus> if you have the manpage in a subfolder in $appsDir/$dataDir it won't be picked up by the system[17:34:25] <Barrett> nothing[17:34:26] <humdinger> yes. manpages are an exception.[17:34:39] <Barrett> cp'ing the package in /boot/system/packages does the same[17:34:43] <Begasus> hence me adding it to the configure line[17:34:53] <Begasus> strange Barrett[17:35:41] <Barrett> and there aren't duplicates[17:36:37] * Begasus keeps away from installing (libs etc) in SYSTEM ... removing the can bite you in the *** ;)[17:37:32] <Begasus> but then again, I'm not a developer ;)[17:39:27] <Barrett> Begasus, you are saying I should try in home/config?[17:39:42] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[17:39:47] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[17:39:57] <Barrett> I don't see how would be different, but might who know[17:40:08] <Begasus> if it's not connected to other libs(stuff) it shouldn't make any difference[17:40:33] <Barrett> it depends on another app which is packaged too[17:40:53] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:dd36:3012:8719:581f> has joined #haiku[17:40:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[17:40:57] <Vidrep> It looks like the update to icu packages has broken Web+[17:41:01] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-224-121.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[17:41:06] <postmen> is there any way to set gcc -pedantic as standard?[17:42:05] <Barrett> postmen, in commandline?[17:42:17] <Vidrep> "Could not open "webpositive" (Missing libraries: libicui18n, libicuuc.so.56).[17:42:28] <Begasus> Barrett .. is it an app or a lib/addition to the other app? (just thingking out loud ... maybe if it is the deppending app could use an update also?)[17:43:37] <Barrett> yep it's a plugin of another app[17:43:38] <DHowett> What was the name of the social network/chat client that shipped with BeOS?[17:43:53] <Begasus> BeShare[17:43:57] <DHowett> yeah! oh man[17:43:57] <DHowett> thanks[17:44:02] <Begasus> ;)[17:44:26] <DHowett> I have a vague recollection of meeting mmadia there, while I was stuck using a conexant winmodem; we started chatting about driver support, and how it was unlikely to ever hit BeOS and be stable[17:44:29] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[17:44:29] <Begasus> it still runs in Haiku :)[17:44:30] <DHowett> so he mailed me a modem[17:44:57] <DHowett> some random guy from the internet mailed 14-year-old me a modem; what a crazy thing[17:45:01] <Begasus> mmadia ... haven't seen him in ages[17:45:22] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-224-121.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[17:45:23] <Begasus> whoot! (14 year old) :D[17:45:53] <DHowett> now that I'm a little older, it seems more insane instead of less insane[17:46:07] <Begasus> hehe[17:46:11] <DHowett> on all fronts. that there was a chat platform on BeOS that was _actually active_ with real live people who happened to be super nice[17:46:14] <DHowett> and just all the logistics of it[17:46:17] <Begasus> I'm a 'bit' older also :)[17:46:36] <DHowett> Begasus: ;)[17:46:42] <Barrett> does anyone noticed that since PM queries are much more slower?[17:46:48] <Begasus> right! it was great fun in BeShare back then! (now it's less crowded)[17:47:24] <Begasus> only after boot Barrett, after that it's pretty fine here[17:47:35] <DHowett> Begasus: when you said it runs, I reckoned that's all it did. are there still servers kicking around?[17:48:15] <Begasus> Tycom is still around yes ;)[17:48:50] <Begasus> in the list there are still 4 servers listed[17:49:44] <Barrett> lol, copying in home/config will complain about failed repo fetch[17:49:51] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:49:54] <Begasus> :/[17:49:56] <Barrett> * leave an HaikuDepot without window running[17:50:04] <Barrett> and the package isn't anyway installed[17:50:16] <Barrett> (in the end the app doesn't see the add-on)[17:50:17] <Barrett> LoL[17:50:27] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[17:50:29] <Begasus> any failed dependency or no message?[17:51:11] <Barrett> ok after 2 minutes the package looks installed now[17:51:19] <Begasus> Barrett ... add-ons are loaded on start of the app? (I'm guessing MP in this instance)[17:51:25] <Barrett> but any new user will never understand what's going on[17:51:25] <Begasus> lol[17:51:39] <Barrett> yep[17:52:19] <Barrett> for having all this mess, I'd have preferred a CLI but complete package installer a-la apt-get[17:52:34] <Barrett> at least I know what's happening behind[17:53:15] <Begasus> well .. it the package was picked up by haikuporter and HD it could be installed with pkgman also (I think)[17:53:26] <Begasus> k ... have to go out ... dog training ;)[17:53:58] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[17:54:00] <Barrett> no luch with pkgman to install the local package[17:54:04] <Barrett> *luck[17:54:19] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-145.fh-giessen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:54:34] <Begas_afk> haven't used pkgman to install local packages .. so wouldn't know, anyway good luck! ;)[17:57:40] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:00:29] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:01:14] <Vidrep> Installing icu56_x86 package "fixes" Webpositive[18:07:02] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[18:07:23] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!6d5a6c38@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.90.108.56> has joined #haiku[18:08:23] <Vidrep> Hi Barrett[18:08:33] *** Hejkki <Hejkki!~heikki@kolme.14.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:09:04] <Vidrep> I spent most of last evening going through all the URL's on that webpage[18:09:43] <Vidrep> In the end I found that only a few URL's are not working for various reasons[18:11:02] <Vidrep> Some were "404 Not Found", "Error 403 Forbidden", or "No data received"[18:11:48] <Vidrep> Some of the URL's are redirected to other URL's, which when copied and pasted work OK[18:11:55] <Barrett> seems that the remote stream isn't just not present[18:11:57] *** humdinger <humdinger!~humdinger@x5d8595bf.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:12:07] <Barrett> I have plans to fix redirects[18:13:33] <Vidrep> The ones that should work, but don't only number 3 (see ticket #12854)[18:14:46] <Vidrep> The wget and Web+ idea helped a lot in determining if there was indeed a problem or not[18:15:23] <Vidrep> Thanks for the tips[18:16:43] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[18:18:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[18:20:37] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:24:38] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:26:54] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-225-201.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[18:34:17] <Barrett> Vidrep, when reporting those tickets related to my work assign them to me[18:34:27] <Barrett> I didn't notice it because the owner is stippi not me[18:34:36] *** akt-hkcu is now known as AKT-Haiku[18:35:10] <Barrett> also FYI the http_streamer doesn't only support radios in mp3 but also other formats (aac) but I didn't test[18:35:54] <Barrett> additionally, you can also stream normal files while the result might vary as those servers are slow and there's not buffering ATM[18:36:12] <Barrett> like those for example http://www.mediacollege.com/adobe/flash/video/tutorial/example-flv.html[18:36:27] <Barrett> just for your own entarteinment with testing ;-)[18:37:07] <Vidrep> I could try all the aac streams on that webite as well, just to see what works[18:37:13] * Barrett disappears in a puff of logic[18:38:14] <Vidrep> I'm also noticing that the streams stop after running for a period of time[18:39:27] <Vidrep> I've left MediaPlayer playing a steam several times, only to come back and find it has stopped at some point[18:40:35] <Vidrep> 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<miqlas-H> Hi Guys![21:03:56] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-222-231.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[21:05:47] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-247-86.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[21:06:16] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-247-86.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:06:30] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82.132.186.17> has joined #haiku[21:08:10] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82.132.186.17> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:08:11] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@82-132-222-231.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:08:25] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-241-122.dab.02.net> has joined #haiku[21:09:03] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-241-122.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:09:18] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e3639d4.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[21:09:23] *** Paianni_ 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<tqh!~frho@79.138.130.175.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[21:38:31] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[21:38:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[21:40:45] <Vidrep> Barrett, after playing around, it seems almost everything will play, including OGG streams[21:43:50] <postmen> miqlas-H, no, i'm lookin for install files for BeOS.[21:44:00] <postmen> Vidrep, congratulations.[21:44:13] <postmen> miqlas-H, btw, again, i did it. ;)[21:45:00] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2729 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/2729 blamelist: J?r?me Duval <jerome.duval at gmail dot com>[21:49:33] *** Paianni_ <Paianni_!~sailfish@82-132-236-68.dab.02.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:51:17] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:53:37] <miqlas-H> what did you do?[22:06:17] <Barrett> Vidrep, that's nice[22:06:33] <Barrett> I expected that[22:06:50] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[22:08:12] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E082E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[22:08:46] *** oxygene <oxygene!~fred@ALille-652-1-137-188.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[22:10:50] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[22:11:02] <Vidrep> Right now, it's a little bit of a roundabout way to play a stream. But, at least I now know how to go about doing it.[22:14:48] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!6d5a6c38@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.90.108.56> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[22:18:22] <Barrett> I can ensure you the implementation is a lot more of a roundabout[22:18:31] <AKT-Haiku> Hi All, I just made some posts to the Project Glass Elevator topic, but they are not showing up on the forum... I guess they are a part of a different part of the site... should they not be shown?[22:22:24] <AKT-Haiku> as in shown on the website somewhere?[22:23:02] <Barrett> AKT-Haiku, maybe it was set this way on purpose[22:23:08] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[22:23:46] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@173-14-248-42-washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #haiku[22:23:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[22:23:54] <Barrett> AKT-Haiku, can you link the topic?[22:24:37] <AKT-Haiku> Is it alright if i Bump the whole RFC thing back to the front of the Forums? or shall i just do it on a per post basis?[22:24:51] <AKT-Haiku> do you mean link here or on the forum?[22:24:52] <Vidrep> Barrett, I have no doubt about that :)[22:25:53] <Skipp_OSX> did you make a post to the glass elevator mailing list or to the forum?[22:26:06] <AKT-Haiku> just to the forum.[22:26:10] <postmen> miqlas-H, i compiled hugs for beos, at least the very first version. :)[22:26:25] <postmen> miqlas-H: now tryin' to work my way up. :)[22:27:04] <AKT-Haiku> what is the glass elevator mailing list? can i get on it? or is it 'off' for now?[22:27:20] <Skipp_OSX> AKT-Haiku, I think it is deprecated, no longer being used[22:27:26] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[22:27:34] <AKT-Haiku> ah right... too many feature requests i'm guessing.[22:29:22] <Skipp_OSX> no, just not enough activity. We used to have a bunch of lists but we've consolidated to just a handful[22:30:11] <AKT-Haiku> Do you think anybody will mind if i put the Glass Elevator RFC on the forum in the subsection Creative Design?[22:30:14] <miqlas-H> I need to go.[22:30:17] <miqlas-H> Bye Guys![22:30:18] <AKT-Haiku> as in a link to it?[22:30:41] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@46.165.208.71> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:30:43] <AKT-Haiku> There doesn't seem to be any other way to get to it as it's been deprecated off the website[22:33:25] <Skipp_OSX> I'm not at all knowledgable about what is going on there, but I assume Glass Elevator stuff is probably on the wiki on dev.haiku-os.org now[22:34:09] <AKT-Haiku> ah okay...[22:34:48] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:35:51] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[22:36:14] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:36:22] <AKT-Haiku> ah well, I'm making a link to it anyway...[22:36:40] <Skipp_OSX> ok[22:41:33] *** bitkid <bitkid!~bitkid@x1-6-c0-ff-d4-9c-db-ec.cpe.webspeed.dk> has joined #haiku[22:46:54] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[22:54:10] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:8557:2814:7ec5:96> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:58:40] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKWAq[22:58:42] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] pulkomandy 1622a25 - README: complete instructions for running a buildmaster[22:59:15] <postmen> it's a pitty bebits isn't around anymore.[23:16:16] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:44] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKWp7[23:17:32] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] korli c81784e - Make SourforgeMirror configuration optional.[23:21:38] *** Begas_afk <Begas_afk!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:26:37] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E082E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:29:24] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[23:31:58] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E082E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[23:32:28] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-hroaszhbypdcxgca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:32:44] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-csrbctbezdbhcjek> has joined #haiku[23:44:31] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-csrbctbezdbhcjek> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:49:11] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[23:49:49] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[23:50:04] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-qdgnymasaleophzv> has joined #haiku