July 11, 2016 
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July 11, 2016 [00:01:16] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-109-095.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[00:05:32] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:05:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:10:07] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:13:50] *** Barrett is now known as Guest15824[00:13:50] *** Guest15824 <Guest15824!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))[00:21:27] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B151F10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:28:41] *** Barrett__ <Barrett__!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:28:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett__[00:29:23] *** Barrett__ <Barrett__!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:30:03] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:32:10] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[00:32:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[00:32:12] <Barrett> hey Vidrep[00:32:43] *** ii-v1 <ii-v1!~Thunderbi@h161n2-vb-v-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com> has joined #haiku[00:34:56] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:35:35] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:36:07] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:36:39] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:40:22] <Vidrep> Hey Barrett[00:40:51] <Barrett> I've seen your ticket[00:40:57] <Vidrep> I'm just busy for the moment putting new weatherstripping on our entry doors[00:41:03] <Vidrep> OK, and?[00:41:11] <Vidrep> Too soon to ask, right?[00:41:29] <Barrett> probably[00:41:48] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:41:50] <Vidrep> I know your good, but not God[00:41:55] <Barrett> but in this case it may be useful[00:42:10] <Barrett> different to the other issue reported later[00:54:37] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!6d5a6c38@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.90.108.56> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[00:55:18] <Barrett> Vidrep, also I'm not sure it's really a bug of my code[00:58:48] *** Plazma <Plazma!~plazma@freenode/staff-emeritus/plazma> has joined #haiku[01:00:05] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[01:06:15] <Vidrep> I see[01:12:37] *** ii-v1 <ii-v1!~Thunderbi@h161n2-vb-v-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:14:35] <Barrett> Vidrep, do you maybe remember the ram usage in process controller?[01:17:19] <Barrett> because I'm under the impression it was just the memory eaten :-)[01:17:27] <Barrett> I've to leave it too running[01:18:23] <Plazma> /j/win 12[01:34:22] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50407 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8199f204daf2+%5Eb39f9357bccd[01:34:23] <HAIKU-irker848> 8199f204daf2: MediaPlayer: Add _CalculateDuration and archivable protocol[01:35:12] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:35:20] <Barrett> Vidrep, if you find some mp3 stream (not m3u) which doesn't work let me know[01:47:34] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[01:47:49] <Vidrep> Barrett, I'm finished with the door. Sorry[01:48:25] <Vidrep> Barrett, every mp3 stream has a .mp3.mpu suffix[01:48:58] <Vidrep> Some work when you drop the .m3u before pasting[01:49:28] <Vidrep> Some don't work - they give a memory error and trigger the debugger[01:49:36] <Vidrep> Are those the ones you want?[01:51:03] <Barrett> yes but some of them aren't correct[01:51:42] <Vidrep> There are a couple that work about 50/50. Sometimes they crash, sometimes they work after a few tries[01:51:46] <Barrett> I mean when there's site.com/stream.mp3.m3u they are supposed to work this way[01:51:57] <Barrett> when there's stream.m3u not much to do usually[01:52:13] <Vidrep> OK, so don't strip that .m3u suffix when doing a copy/paste[01:52:17] <Vidrep> ?[01:53:04] <Barrett> yep a few are OK[01:53:49] <Vidrep> Really? I have found any yet that work unless the .m3u suffix is dropped first before pasting[01:53:55] <Vidrep> haven't[01:57:57] <Barrett> Vidrep, yeah I've not said that[01:58:31] <Barrett> Vidrep, this will work leaving the m3u http://live.btvradio.bg/z-rock.mp3.m3u[01:58:42] <Barrett> this will not http://www.m2radio.fr/pls/m2rock.m3u[01:58:47] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #691: libxpm: drop libtool file and mark as tested on x86 and x86_64. (WIP) - https://git.io/vKGhP[01:59:01] <Barrett> when you find one of the first type let me know[01:59:44] <Vidrep> That one doesn't work for me[01:59:52] <Vidrep> The first one[02:01:16] <Vidrep> OK, I'll look for working samples of the first type eg. http://1.2.3.4.5/rock.mp3.m3u[02:01:48] <Barrett> for non-working samples :)[02:01:58] <Barrett> I know they work just like any other mp3[02:03:48] <Vidrep> So far every same I tried on that wepage link I gave you does not work[02:03:55] <Vidrep> ever sample[02:04:04] <Vidrep> every sample[02:04:22] <Vidrep> I'm using x86_gcc2[02:04:30] <Vidrep> Should that make a difference?[02:05:15] <Vidrep> I'll update to the latest rev then try again. Currently I'm using hrev50402 x86_gcc2[02:08:47] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:10:35] *** Qatz <Qatz!~DB@2601:187:8400:5::427> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:13:47] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has joined #haiku[02:14:28] <Vidrep> I updated and tried a bunch of URL's. None work. All give the error: out of memory message[02:15:39] <Barrett> I'm not sure you are understanding what I'm saying[02:18:24] *** eschatologist <eschatologist!~chanson@2601:646:8c00:6dca:83b4:fe68:d468:a6ce> has joined #haiku[02:26:36] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@71.11.67.179> has joined #haiku[02:27:37] <eschatologist> Does anyone recall the major driver-level differences between BeOS 4.5 and 5.0?[02:27:53] <Vidrep> There are two kinds of mp3 streams available - mp3.m3u and .m3u[02:28:13] <Vidrep> You want one that work that use mp3.m3u[02:28:25] <Vidrep> Correct?[02:29:00] <Vidrep> I see others as well aac.m3u etc - you don't want those[02:29:14] <Vidrep> Only mp3.m3u[02:29:18] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[02:31:41] <Barrett> eschatologist, there should be an article[02:32:03] <Barrett> ah sorry R4.5 and R5[02:32:12] <Barrett> look in the be newsletter anyway[02:32:12] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #745 of haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed upload nightlies] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_gcc2/builds/745[02:32:56] <Barrett> Vidrep, don't worry[02:33:03] <Barrett> I've already found enough examples[02:35:06] <eschatologist> Barrett thanks, I'll look around, I'm mostly interested in building a PCI driver for my r5 BeBox[02:36:37] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, why on Earth, would you need to know that information?[02:37:17] <eschatologist> Skipp_OSX I might want to use something other than the Number Nine 8-bit video card that it came with? :)[02:37:47] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, why not run Haiku instead?[02:38:18] <eschatologist> Because I want to actually use BeOS on this r5 BeBox. I run Haiku in a VM on my Mac.[02:38:44] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, but you need a better video card...[02:39:07] <Skipp_OSX> damn, I had a GeForce2 card that would have probably worked great, but I through it out[02:39:13] <eschatologist> Skipp_OSX: I'd *like* a better video card.[02:39:28] <Skipp_OSX> *threw*[02:40:40] <Barrett> eschatologist, is it a PPC bebox?[02:40:43] <Skipp_OSX> You can emulate BeOS with vmware on Mac[02:40:53] <Barrett> or a bebox in general[02:41:07] <eschatologist> Barrett: Yeah, it's a dual-66 MHz BeBox.[02:41:28] <eschatologist> Skipp_OSX: Yep. I figure that I might do cross-development that way, to get nice fast turnaround.[02:41:38] <Vidrep> I went through the list - none work[02:42:25] <Vidrep> Anyway, if you have examples...[02:42:37] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, unfortunately it still doesn't seem to work right on VirtualBox for some reason[02:42:46] <Skipp_OSX> but Haiku, of course, does[02:42:58] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[02:42:59] <Barrett> so no luck to run Haiku on it[02:43:10] <Barrett> Vidrep, if you want send it[02:43:21] <Barrett> but I'm going now[02:43:45] <Vidrep> Barrett, send me a link to ones that work for you[02:44:17] <eschatologist> Skipp_OSX: I'm not too concerned, I have VMware, not just VirtualBox. I wonder how hard the Haiku VMware Additions would be to port to BeOS R4.5 for Intel. :)[02:45:12] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, You'd just have to remove all of the Haiku additions... which is probably a bunch[02:45:43] <eschatologist> LOL, exactly. :)[02:46:08] <Barrett> Vidrep, the one in your ticket[02:46:23] <Skipp_OSX> Haiku has added a lot to BeOS. I have tried to document it all in the Haiku Book[02:47:27] <Skipp_OSX> I went as far as R3... I don't include the DR1-9 releases[02:48:01] <Skipp_OSX> and I haven't really differentiated between Alphas, just listed all Haiku changes as R1[02:48:15] <eschatologist> Oh, excellent.[02:48:29] <eschatologist> I suspect just differentiating Haiku vs BeOS is sufficient. :)[02:48:30] <Vidrep> Barrett, The actual URL is this: http://217.67.31.66:8000/republika128.mp3.m3u[02:48:37] <Skipp_OSX> but hopefully if you were to actually try to backport a piece of software that would be a good reference[02:48:40] <Barrett> yep without m3u of course[02:48:55] <Vidrep> It works fine only if you drop the .m3u from the end of the URL[02:48:58] <Skipp_OSX> lots of methods added to classes all over to do various things[02:49:04] <Barrett> eh[02:49:21] <Skipp_OSX> make things easier[02:49:37] <Vidrep> There are lots like that - working after dropping the .m3u from the URL[02:49:47] <Barrett> Vidrep, eh[02:49:52] <Vidrep> Those are what you want?[02:50:04] <Barrett> I want those of this kind which doesn't work :-)[02:50:17] <eschatologist> Would it be worthwhile to use availability attributes (a la macOS, iOS, et al) to indicate API availability?[02:50:27] <Vidrep> Oh, there's lots of those - too many[02:50:52] <Barrett> Vidrep, listen me don't worry[02:50:55] <eschatologist> Availability attributes: http://clang.llvm.org/docs/AttributeReference.html#availability Our SDKs typically use macros to make them more concise.[02:50:57] <Vidrep> I'll separate those ones out of my list[02:51:06] <Vidrep> Worry? Who me?[02:51:49] <Vidrep> I'm happy it works as it is, even if it is hack[02:52:16] <Vidrep> Of course you want to see it working properly, as it should be[02:52:25] <Vidrep> np[02:52:56] <Barrett> Vidrep, I think you don't see the difference between various urls[02:53:04] <Skipp_OSX> eschatologist, probably, but, were not going to go back and do that now[02:53:20] <Barrett> some will not work even if you remove .m3u because they are not providing a simple mp3 stream[02:53:28] <Barrett> I'm not interested into those[02:53:55] <Barrett> I'm interested in the ones of the kind name.mp3.m3u which doesn't work even if you remove .m3u[02:54:06] <Barrett> more clear than that I don't know how to explain[02:54:25] <Vidrep> I understand exactly what you're saying[02:54:38] <Barrett> ok nice[02:55:10] <Vidrep> There are others like aac.m3u, ogg.m3u etc. We don't want those[02:56:05] <Barrett> there are even some like this http://sharpflow.sharp-stream.com:8000/planetrock.mp3.m3u[02:56:15] <Barrett> which will not work even if you remove the m3u[02:56:28] <Barrett> in this case it's because they are not providing the resource[02:56:40] <Vidrep> Yes, lots like that[02:56:47] <Barrett> try yourself in VLC this -> http://sharpflow.sharp-stream.com:8000/planetrock.mp3[02:56:50] <Barrett> will not work[02:57:18] <Barrett> the trick doesn't work always[02:57:36] <Skipp_OSX> he's right, it doesn't work in VLC[03:00:27] <Barrett> so how you can understand if it's a problem of Haiku or the trick doesn't work?[03:00:39] <Barrett> use wget[03:01:00] <Vidrep> Yes. I tried every URL on that website with mp3.m3u. About 50% work when you strip the .m3u from the URL[03:01:26] <Vidrep> Maybe some are invalid URL's[03:01:35] <Barrett> Vidrep, exactly[03:01:47] <Barrett> some provide both m3u and mp3 others just m3u[03:02:12] <Barrett> I'm sorry it's not perfect guys[03:02:21] <Vidrep> I could try each one on another platform to check for valid URL's first[03:02:29] <Barrett> but trust me is *hard* to deal with a million of different streams :-)[03:03:00] <Barrett> Vidrep, doing wget http://sharpflow.sharp-stream.com:8000/planetrock.mp3 will get you a 404[03:03:23] <Barrett> doing wget http://217.67.31.66:8000/republika128.mp3 will download an infinite file[03:03:28] <Vidrep> Barrett, that why wer're paying you the big bucks :D LOL[03:03:37] <Barrett> that's how to understand if the trick works[03:04:00] <Vidrep> Got it[03:04:20] <Vidrep> The wget idea would save time[03:04:23] <Barrett> well, big bucks...I've rejected much better offers[03:04:33] <Barrett> that's OK considering it's open source[03:04:37] <Vidrep> It;'s a joke[03:05:32] <Barrett> anyway, what would be interesting for me are those urls which works with wget but not in MediaPlayer[03:05:41] <Barrett> 5/10 would be OK[03:05:53] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cyberia@p5DC9591F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:06:11] <Barrett> I think I should set up a script to test them everytime[03:06:57] <Barrett> Vidrep, I know it's a joke :-)[03:07:09] <Vidrep> That saying is a english colloquialiss[03:07:21] <Vidrep> colloquialism[03:07:38] <Barrett> what I'm concerned anyway right now is to fix those MP crashes[03:08:08] <Vidrep> It crashes on exit almost every time a URL is open[03:08:08] <Barrett> but until I get a new contract will be volounteer time starting from tomorrow[03:08:32] <Barrett> yeah but now it crash on close[03:08:38] <Barrett> it's a different problem than before[03:08:47] <Vidrep> You didn'r hear back from "the boss"?[03:09:01] <Barrett> (I assume you are running the last hrev)[03:09:09] <Vidrep> Yes, now I am[03:09:25] <Barrett> I think you've seen it's less crashy[03:09:28] <Vidrep> Currently hrev50407 x86_gcc2[03:09:47] <Barrett> before it crashed for every non valid URL[03:09:52] <Barrett> that problem is solved[03:10:15] <Vidrep> It's still in early development[03:10:53] <Vidrep> Even Axel's launch daemon had a few glitches[03:11:37] <Barrett> I didn't hear for now from the board[03:11:49] <Barrett> I guess will reply in 2-3 days[03:13:39] <Vidrep> Good luck Barrett[03:14:06] <Barrett> I'm not worried at all :)[03:19:24] <Vidrep> http://broadcast.infomaniak.ch/energyrock-high.mp3.m3u[03:20:02] <Vidrep> This URL is valid according to wget. Dropping the m3u results in a memory error[03:20:49] <Barrett> this is not working because there's a redirect[03:20:58] <Barrett> paste in web+[03:21:16] <Barrett> as you can see lots of different situations[03:22:49] <Vidrep> I see[03:22:52] <Vidrep> hmmm[03:24:21] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[03:24:38] <Vidrep> separate the wheat from the chaff[03:25:11] <Barrett> well no, my error[03:25:18] <Barrett> there's a problem with buffering there[03:25:59] <Barrett> wget works[03:26:34] <Vidrep> You know, that URL was the first one that worked for me a couple of days ago[03:26:44] *** waddlesplash <waddlesplash!uid58358@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iqapbsmwbykbwdgt> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:27:03] <Vidrep> It only worked once, then afterwards, when I updtaed it stopped working[03:28:40] <Vidrep> I went back to an earlier hrev but it didn't work there either. Only the one time[03:29:17] <Barrett> that's lack of buffering[03:30:17] <Barrett> or something like that[03:30:28] <Barrett> anyway it will need some time to stabilize[03:31:18] <Barrett> that's why I have to create a testing script[03:31:40] <Barrett> test one time per url is boring and I can't warrant I'm testing anything[03:32:49] <Vidrep> Anyway, you have an action plan in mind to resolve the problem[03:33:04] <Vidrep> I can try to find other examples[03:36:46] <Barrett> hmmm no luck with energy rock[03:36:57] <Barrett> the buffers aren't received[03:37:17] <Barrett> there's nothing bad in my code, it just timeout if I remove the status check[03:39:23] <Vidrep> This is the kind of stuff guys like me can do[03:39:56] <Barrett> wait there's really a redirect it wasn't my imagination[03:40:06] <Vidrep> The devs need to make better use of the few resources (non devs) willing to do the grunt work[03:40:23] <Barrett> do this curl http://broadcast.infomaniak.ch/energyrock-high.mp3.m3u[03:41:03] <Barrett> so I have to think also how to handle this[03:41:11] <Barrett> will be a step-by-step process[03:42:37] <Barrett> so yes, if you want to help finding problems maybe fetching different situations[03:42:40] <Barrett> I'll be glad[03:43:20] <Barrett> generally what works with playfile will work also in MP[03:43:25] <Barrett> it will be more easy to use[03:44:48] <Barrett> for example VLC handle the redirect[03:45:04] <Vidrep> There's a few steps involved in weeding out the URL's. Some tricks like using wget, Web+ etc to determine if the URL is valid before submitting[03:45:39] <Vidrep> Barret, food for thought[03:45:53] <Vidrep> Get some sleep[03:48:37] <Barrett> yeah also food for my nerves :)[03:49:02] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@71.11.67.179> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[03:53:11] <Vidrep> I'm outta here[03:53:17] <Vidrep> Bye Barrett[03:53:35] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!~vision@d75-156-158-178.abhsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[03:59:13] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:02:22] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50408 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=92e254d04725+%5E8199f204daf2[04:02:23] <HAIKU-irker848> 92e254d04725: intel_extreme: Improve PCH detection[04:08:30] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E09A27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 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<Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[15:03:54] *** TwoFx <TwoFx!6d5a6c38@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.90.108.56> has joined #haiku[15:04:23] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[15:17:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±4] https://git.io/vKZbZ[15:17:32] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] korli 4fc5d5e - SourceFetcher: use "file://" as prefix for local file...[15:17:33] <Not-c51b> [haikuporter] korli c40362e - Add option to select Sourceforge mirror.[15:18:16] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://git.io/vKZbE[15:18:18] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 3919ff5 - make: use an actual commit for the gentoo patch.[15:18:19] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] korli 17d6353 - use file:// as prefix for local files.[15:18:33] <Not-c51b> [haikuports.cross] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+2/-1/±1] https://git.io/vKZba[15:18:35] <Not-c51b> 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The problem was that I'd initialized the virtual drive with GPT from the haiku installer, which virtualbox seemed to dislike. Formatting the disk with no partition table (well, presumably it uses something by default?) worked.[19:48:25] <mmu_man> vbox seems to not care about having a partition table or not[19:48:39] <mmu_man> Haiku can work just fine with the whole disk formated as BFS[19:48:46] <mmu_man> but some BIOSes don't like this[19:49:25] <mmu_man> possibly vbox tries to boot with UEFI if it detects an GPT?[19:49:30] <mmu_man> which we don't support yet[19:49:44] <pecan> I bet that's it. I could try formatting with MBR to check.[19:50:11] <pecan> s/formatting/partitioning/[19:51:30] <pecan> or intel partition map[19:51:45] <pecan> (is intel partition map MBR?)[19:52:28] <PulkoMandy> yes[19:54:39] <pecan> Huh, MBR doesn't seem to boot either. Apparently VBox just doesn't like the haiku drive being partitioned at all.[19:55:23] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[19:55:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[19:59:47] <mmu_man> hmm it should work[19:59:53] <mmu_man> but you must install a boot sector in the MBR[20:00:02] <mmu_man> either with Bootman or with installmbr[20:00:10] <mmu_man> else it just won't go any further[20:00:21] <mmu_man> Installer should propose you[20:03:20] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:17:00] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-109-095.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[20:17:26] <pecan> mmu_man: Installer didn't prompt me to but I bet if I used makebootable from the livecd it would work. Whatever, I've got it running.[20:18:32] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:30:20] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[20:37:19] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[20:37:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[20:53:24] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:54:30] <mmu_man> pecan: no, makebootable is for the partition itself[20:54:34] <mmu_man> not the MBR[20:59:05] *** stargate1 is now known as stargater[20:59:05] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-jeonchwmcggtkapm> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:00:02] *** Freso <Freso!~Freso@musicbrainz/user/Freso> has joined #haiku[21:00:09] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-thyowrccuvhuqghg> has joined #haiku[21:02:02] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has joined #haiku[21:08:54] <postmen> mmu_man: NO! makebootable ruins the entire MBR![21:09:03] <postmen> Sorry, but that's my experience![21:09:26] <Skipp_macOS> overwrites the MBR[21:10:33] <postmen> ... and ruins the partition table by that.[21:13:02] <Skipp_macOS> postmen, yeah, the partition table is stored in the MBR[21:14:55] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[21:17:46] <postmen> Skipp_OSX, smart e..., boot_men doesn't, while altering the mbr as well. so boot_men is the safer choice if u ask me, not only because it offers you to make a backup.[21:34:08] <postmen> Skipp_macOS, are u a pro?[21:35:05] *** n-exo <n-exo!~chatzilla@host31-52-51-200.range31-52.btcentralplus.com> has joined #haiku[21:35:20] <postmen> if u wanna tell me somethin' new, why don't u start with tellin' me where that comes from: https://nopaste.me/view/d8e23e97[21:35:59] *** n-exo is now known as akt-Haiku[21:36:12] *** akt-Haiku is now known as akt-hcku[21:37:00] <PulkoMandy> bootman shouldn't overwrite the partition table[21:37:07] <PulkoMandy> it replaces just the part with the boot code[21:37:34] <PulkoMandy> makebootable only write a single word (4 bytes) somewhere in there[21:37:56] <PulkoMandy> however you should not run it on a partition table - it's meant to edit the bootloader inside BFS volumes[21:38:14] <akt-hcku> Hi there, really interested in Haiku... not much of a programmer but put some stuff up on the forum. Would really like to get involved with helping this project come along. Is there anyone official that i could speak to?[21:38:28] <PulkoMandy> (if you want to just install MBR code to the disk, what you need is not makebootable, but writembr)[21:38:46] <PulkoMandy> akt-hcku: depends how much official you need[21:39:21] <Skipp_macOS> I'm not a pro, no[21:40:01] <akt-hcku> i just want to know what the strategy is with haiku and had a few ideas for marketing. got loads of ideas for the ecosystem and gui development. maybe a DE to run on top of Haiku but would be really cool if they got put into Haiku itself. plus i could help with the website/ forum[21:41:16] <akt-hcku> i know that Haiku is based on BeOS and is a completely different kernel to Linux/Unix or at least that's what i've heard. it doesn't feel like linux and tbh i've never bee na huge fan of linux myself.[21:41:42] <akt-hcku> could this be a strength of Haiku as a platform? and if so could you build on it?[21:43:10] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[21:43:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[21:43:23] <postmen> i'm not an official either, but i'm afraid with that strategy you won't succed. just my2cents. however, if u want to get involved, i can pass u lots of errors. ^^[21:43:50] <PulkoMandy> we do need help with website and marketing stuff I think[21:44:00] <akt-hcku> @postmen lol[21:44:03] <postmen> akt-hcku, where r u from, if i may ask?[21:44:11] <akt-hcku> yeah... dropped out of computer science before i finished it.[21:44:18] <akt-hcku> I'm from England[21:44:19] <PulkoMandy> bringing ideas if you don't plan to implement them yourself is going to be harder, if only because a lot of people think they are good at that[21:44:35] <PulkoMandy> expect to spend a lot of time explaining to people why your ideas are better than what already exists[21:44:41] <postmen> akt-hcku, just write a descent editor for beos and people will love u, i guess.[21:44:58] <akt-hcku> i have loads of free time and if i finish a design document and learn how to make them[21:45:17] <postmen> akt-hcku, well, if u really want to get involved, i might make three suggestions?[21:45:21] *** riq <riq!2f4397d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.47.67.151.211> has joined #haiku[21:45:41] <akt-hcku> i just don't see the point in remaking every other OS gui out there , and it seems as if whoever designed beOS in the first place thought the same thing.[21:45:54] <akt-hcku> yeah whats that?[21:46:50] <postmen> first: https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/EasyTasks[21:46:51] *** akt-hcku is now known as akt-hkcu[21:47:14] <postmen> second: make an haiku os hardware page (some php and db)[21:47:23] <postmen> third: help me portin' hugs. :)[21:47:32] <PulkoMandy> postmen: we already have an hardware page :/[21:47:44] <PulkoMandy> not sure where it's hosted currently however[21:47:45] *** postmen is now known as postmen|afk[21:47:51] <postmen|afk> PulkoMandy: lol? :)[21:48:11] <postmen|afk> Paradoxon?[21:49:10] *** riq <riq!2f4397d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.47.67.151.211> has left #haiku[21:49:14] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@89.233.64.166> has joined #haiku[21:49:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:49:28] <akt-hkcu> yeah... sure can do that.. in html... learn a bit of PHP...[21:49:48] <akt-hkcu> would it not be better to host it on the main website however?[21:50:37] <akt-hkcu> what would you need on the hardware page anyway?[21:50:45] <PulkoMandy> we are trying to replace the main website[21:51:07] <akt-hkcu> probably a good idea...[21:51:13] <akt-hkcu> who's doing it?[21:51:16] <akt-hkcu> where are the files?[21:51:20] <akt-hkcu> :D[21:51:27] <PulkoMandy> the idea of the "hardware page" is to have a database of hardware which works or does not work with Haiku. But as I said someone already wrote all the code for it[21:51:42] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash is taking care of the website migration IIRC[21:51:55] <akt-hkcu> What is the design and overall hardware strategy?[21:52:00] <PulkoMandy> maybe joining the haiku-web mailing list would be a good idea[21:52:18] <akt-hkcu> Everything needs to be cetnralised.. from what i know half of the Beware/Haikuware websites have all dissappeared[21:52:47] <akt-hkcu> cool., i'll do that[21:52:58] <PulkoMandy> both of them, because we made the mistake of letting them be owned by the same guy[21:53:06] <PulkoMandy> not sure more centralization would have helped :D[21:53:48] <PulkoMandy> anyway, there is now a torrent file floating around with most of the software which was there and possibly a few more[21:53:58] <akt-hkcu> i thought Haiku hada company inc that took care of all that[21:54:38] <akt-hkcu> Wow... Haiku could be SO much more...[21:54:40] <PulkoMandy> Haiku inc is a nonprofit org. They take care of what they can with the funds they have[21:55:02] <PulkoMandy> this includes domain names, main website hosting, and hiring developers to help the system development move faster[21:55:13] <akt-hkcu> it's like the ONLY alternative OS out there... apart ffrom linux... and linux this.. linux that... :'-([21:55:15] <PulkoMandy> and funding some events like our yearly coding sprint[21:55:27] <PulkoMandy> and AROS, and ReactOS, and the *BSD[21:55:42] <PulkoMandy> and hurd :)[21:55:57] <akt-hkcu> well yeah.. unix rah rah windows 95 emulation rah rah[21:56:26] <PulkoMandy> windos NT4 IIRC :)[21:56:34] <PulkoMandy> and AROS is Amiga-like[21:56:47] <akt-hkcu> (don't forget OS2....[21:56:55] <akt-hkcu> it's making a comeback aparently...[21:56:55] <PulkoMandy> also there's RiscOS now in the open source camp[21:57:35] <akt-hkcu> but seriously though... Haiku is the only one that stands any chance of being a good consumer oriented OS...[21:59:18] <akt-hkcu> i think if somebody took the bull by the horns, you could end up with a good competitor and a healthy niche market in the future[21:59:56] <PulkoMandy> we are already investing a lot of time (and money, for some people - getting enough donations to hire a full time developer is great)[22:00:14] <PulkoMandy> still the progress seems slow. 15 years and still we don't have a first official stable release[22:00:20] <PulkoMandy> it's a huge lot of work[22:00:22] <akt-hkcu> it's just that i saw it as the only real viable option to install on my old netbook. <- I'm no good at CLI and Haiku seemed like the only one i could trust to run and run fast. - with linux there is always this delay and hanging when things go wrong and it's never really responsive.[22:00:38] <mmu_man> I really need to fix our boot shell code to drop the need for makebootable[22:00:39] <akt-hkcu> You really need some merchandise.[22:00:50] <akt-hkcu> get the buzz around campusses and stuff.[22:01:12] <PulkoMandy> you mean like http://www.cafepress.com/haiku_os ?[22:01:18] <PulkoMandy> really needs an update however :)[22:02:10] <akt-hkcu> :D yeah. I could help with that... Firstly I'd make the logo bigger. and use loads of different logo styles.[22:02:33] <PulkoMandy> we only have one logo, and we don't really want more :)[22:02:36] <akt-hkcu> how come i never saw that before?[22:02:50] <akt-hkcu> Yes.... Yes... but you have the FEATHER symbol?[22:02:55] <PulkoMandy> as for logo size I think it's a limit of cafepress - we probably need to switch to something else[22:02:59] <PulkoMandy> yes right[22:02:59] <akt-hkcu> surely that is a symbol of SPEED and POWER![22:03:13] <PulkoMandy> so if you want to try making some shirt designs that would be nice[22:03:41] <akt-hkcu> Plus taglines like 'Can you tab and stack windows in your OS?' stuff like that...[22:03:45] <akt-hkcu> where is the presskit?[22:03:50] <akt-hkcu> is there even a presskit?[22:03:56] <akt-hkcu> why is there no presskit?[22:04:16] <akt-hkcu> 'Keeping your computer Personal'[22:04:38] <postmen|afk> akt-hkcu: why don't u tell us a bit about you?[22:04:48] <akt-hkcu> that could lead to a development strategy or framework guidelines for a security /. privacy protocol that could be a base la[22:04:51] <postmen|afk> like, about yourself?[22:05:06] <akt-hkcu> yer of Haiku... something major OSs probably could do at this stage in develoopment...[22:05:51] <akt-hkcu> Well I'm 31 years old, dropout from university. Did well but left due to 'personal' reasons[22:06:09] <PulkoMandy> the marketing efforts are mostly nonexistant[22:06:29] <akt-hkcu> started off doing Electronic Engineering, a bit of Game Design, at another university, and alos did a first yerar of Computer Science at York..[22:06:36] <PulkoMandy> years ago we had one guy working on that area, but he was banned from the project due to communication issues over e-mail unfortunately[22:06:46] <PulkoMandy> and now that side of the project is a bit dormant[22:06:49] <akt-hkcu> learnt how to do HTML5 and CSS3 a little bit recently from thenewboston[22:07:07] <akt-hkcu> hmm[22:07:11] <akt-hkcu> brb[22:07:42] <postmen|afk> akt-hkcu, why not joinin' online courses ona online university and just use haiku and look how far it takes you?[22:08:25] <postmen|afk> PulkoMandy, but https://dry-bastion-46138.herokuapp.com/ wasn't what u where talkin' about, was it?[22:08:47] <PulkoMandy> yes, seems to be it[22:09:58] <postmen|afk> well, it's a nice frontend, but seems left alone or discontinued. i think what haiku could need would be a website with started but unfinished projects and their sources, where possible.[22:10:20] <bbjimmy> akt-hkcu you mean something like this but expanded? https://www.haiku-os.org/files/haiku-flier-2010_letter_print.pdf[22:10:28] <PulkoMandy> postmen|afk: we have that too :D[22:10:38] <PulkoMandy> http://haikuarchives.github.io[22:11:42] <postmen|afk> oh, thanks.[22:11:44] <akt-hkcu> yeah... no i meant like pllace where you can get png files for haiku and stuff like that[22:13:18] <postmen|afk> PulkoMandy, do u know any option to tell configure where exactley to look for perl?[22:13:27] <akt-hkcu> i like thinking about and designing stuff in my head and also writing a lot of documents which nobody really ever sees.. tbh[22:14:05] <akt-hkcu> messed up my life, became ill, and living in my parents basement now so to speak. (for the past 5 years)[22:14:21] <akt-hkcu> got a lot of free time. might as well do something useful with it.[22:14:39] <akt-hkcu> plus i really like Haiku/software development etc...[22:15:01] <bbjimmy> Free time is something most of us lack.[22:15:02] <postmen|afk> well, your welcome so far, i guess :)[22:15:38] <akt-hkcu> i've started a oneNote book where i'm writing down all my ideas for haiku on this thing called project Koan...[22:15:50] <akt-hkcu> thanks :-P[22:16:18] <akt-hkcu> one sec...[22:16:58] <akt-hkcu> computer is my only life... lol[22:18:00] <akt-hkcu> my last best hope for some sort of success lol[22:18:09] <Paradoxon> akt-hkcu download the documentation package[22:18:20] <Paradoxon> and the beos exampel source code[22:18:40] <Paradoxon> and have all the sources to learn how to write god programms :)[22:18:47] <Paradoxon> or how to contribute to haiku :)[22:18:58] <postmen|afk> ... and get started! :)[22:19:05] <akt-hkcu> i'm not much of a programmer... more of design to be honest.. but really like learning about alkl the stuff too i guess.[22:19:16] <PulkoMandy> programming is not the only way to contribute[22:19:34] <postmen|afk> uhh merrde, i wanted to sign up for that online c course.[22:20:38] <akt-hkcu> can definately give programming a shot but it won't be for a while. i'm making a design document on the interface at the moment. i know it won't get made any time in the near future most likely but after that i'm happy to start learning C and Haiku AP@I[22:20:56] <postmen|afk> well, next one starts aug 1, that fit's a lot better anyhow.[22:21:21] *** Paradoxon <Paradoxon!~Paradoxon@dslb-088-074-109-095.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:21:51] <postmen|afk> akt-hkcu: https://www.coursera.org/learn/arduino-platform[22:22:39] <akt-hkcu> thanks for the links. will definately look into it.[22:23:17] <akt-hkcu> what's different to the Arduino platform than Haiku? - i thought that was for electronics projects.[22:23:32] <akt-hkcu> not really sure about writing device drivers tbh[22:33:45] <akt-hkcu> so what's happening with the website at the moment? who's making it? where should i get started?[22:35:38] <akt-hkcu> could i make an outline for the new proposed website and suggestions?[22:36:27] <akt-hkcu> i think it really needs to be a central hub or at least have highly visible links to the necesary areas.[22:36:32] <akt-hkcu> should i design it?[22:46:22] <postmen|afk> well, if i were u and had a hand for it, i would make just a small, how u call it, skizze, sketch, draft?[22:46:54] <postmen|afk> and either propose it here or on the mailinglist.[22:47:09] <postmen|afk> and besides that, read, read, read :)[22:47:55] <akt-hkcu> done.[22:48:06] <akt-hkcu> Thanks for letting me know. I'll get on it right away :D[22:48:44] <postmen|afk> fine, but don't expect too much. life is a marathon, not a quickie ;)[22:49:02] <akt-hkcu> lol[22:49:05] *** bbjimmy <bbjimmy!vision@184.21.125.61> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:49:06] <akt-hkcu> :-)[22:49:38] <postmen|afk> is there scratch for haiku?[22:50:10] <munchausen> hello[22:51:14] <munchausen> just trying to build something that uses liblayout, does anyone know if its broken?[22:51:38] <akt-hkcu> https://scratch.mit.edu/about/ ?[22:52:32] <postmen|afk> akt-hkcu, yes, but i can't find the source or at least no explanation on what is required and how to configure it, make ...[22:54:26] <Barrett> munchausen, what's the problem exactly?[22:55:02] <Barrett> are you referring to the old liblayout or the Haiku's layout system?[22:55:22] <postmen|afk> munchausen, jessicah told me, to copy the error messages on to pastebin ...[22:55:58] <munchausen> Barrett the old liblayout... that's why I was wondering if its broken. But I'm not sure that is the problem, just checking something[22:56:29] <akt-hkcu> postmen|afk it might not be on an opensource license?[22:57:32] <akt-hkcu> actually no ... nevermind... GPLv2[22:58:02] <Barrett> munchausen, can't help if you don't specify the problem :-)[22:58:07] <Barrett> linking errors?[23:01:49] <akt-hkcu> postmen|afk: you've probably already seen this page? https://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Scratch_1.4_Source_Code#Download_2[23:10:21] <munchausen> Barrett sorry baby woke up[23:10:30] <Barrett> np[23:13:41] <munchausen> Yeah, there's a class that inherits from MListView in liblayout, and it looks like MListView inherits from BListView. Anyway, at link time there are a bunch of "undefined reference to `MyListView::BInvoker virtual table'" errors[23:14:20] <munchausen> This is in BeCalc (https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BeCalc/blob/master/source/MyListView.cpp)[23:15:31] <munchausen> I'll pastebin the errors if necessary but I'm just wondering if MListView (in liblayout) isn't calling some methods of BInvoker[23:16:08] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:09] <munchausen> (as BListView inherits from BInvoker)[23:16:36] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:17:03] <Barrett> munchausen, you are compiling BeCalc right?[23:17:14] <munchausen> yeah[23:17:24] <munchausen> Although I already had to make some changes[23:17:51] <Barrett> hmm I'm not sure but are all files there?[23:18:44] <munchausen> Mostly I removed the local copy of liblayout, changed the Makefile to point at the system headers for liblayout, and removed a file from the sources in the makefile[23:19:31] <munchausen> All the source files seem to be there, sure. 1 sec I'll pastebin a compilation[23:21:14] <munchausen> (waits for the vm to finish building... for some reason its very slow)[23:21:39] *** PasNox <PasNox!~pasnox@2a01:e34:ee42:d070:d476:139b:9e73:c3db> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving - Cross platform IDE http://monkeystudio.org)[23:25:13] <munchausen> pastebin.com/VEyW008Z[23:26:53] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:27:15] <munchausen> perhaps I simply need to implement some methods from BListView. The problem might be that that changed... I'll look at that[23:33:54] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[23:35:50] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[23:38:29] <munchausen> Hmm dunno. There aren't any pure virtual methods there. Anyway I just suspected that MListView of liblayout wasn't calling the base class constructors, and wondered if there were any known issues with liblayout. Will investigate further another time...[23:38:33] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[23:40:15] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-thyowrccuvhuqghg> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:41:26] *** tqh <tqh!~frho@79.138.134.242.mobile.tre.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Lämnar)[23:45:00] <Barrett> munchausen, sorry I've been away[23:47:26] <Barrett> there's a missing constructor in MyListview[23:47:47] <Barrett> should be that munchausen[23:48:23] <Barrett> remove it if it's not used[23:50:32] <Barrett> hope he will read[23:53:11] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:54:06] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-196-233-30.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:54:19] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-144-114-227.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[23:54:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[23:56:13] *** Skipp_macOS <Skipp_macOS!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:f961:497e:c524:2a8b> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:56:29] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@93-45-236-119.ip104.fastwebnet.it> has joined #haiku[23:56:54] *** Barrett is now known as Guest81778[23:58:14] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #692: libxau: create _devel pkg, switch HOMEPAGE & SOURCE_URI to https. - https://git.io/vKcW2[23:58:59] *** Guest81778 is now known as Barrett[23:59:07] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@93-45-236-119.ip104.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:59:07] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[23:59:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett