July 8, 2016 
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July 8, 2016 [00:02:26] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Quitte)[00:04:10] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:05:02] <Barrett> kallisti5, you're on the board anyway that means someone listen for sure[00:08:34] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-188-104-167-024.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[00:08:49] <postmen> tach nicu[00:09:24] *** stpere <stpere!~stpere@c75.152.29-35.clta.globetrotter.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:09:38] <Barrett> (un)/fortunately there is not any boss in the project anyway[00:09:50] <Barrett> postmen, ?[00:10:28] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[00:11:21] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:12:41] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[00:13:17] <postmen> just wanted to say hello to kneekoo. otherwise i don't have much to distribute right now.[00:14:13] <postmen> i'm wanderin' to go to a meetin' at the university tomorrow, a code n connect sit in and wonder if i could convience them to work on haiku - but actually i don't have the time for that in the moment.[00:18:27] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[00:25:08] <postmen> my problem right now is, the parents of my neighbours chinese wife come this weekend for a long visit and our garden looks like s...[00:27:32] *** rpcope <rpcope!~rpcope@162.245.217.4> has left #haiku ("Leaving")[00:28:15] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:32:48] *** ii-v1 <ii-v1!~Thunderbi@h161n2-vb-v-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:36:57] <postmen> anybody in need of a intel wifi driver? https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iwlwifi-2030-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz[00:39:32] <Vidrep> Nope, but there's a bunch of us in need of a Intel graphics driver. Have one?[00:40:41] <postmen> funny thing is, i have to write a vga driver until next friday, but i think that's of no help.[00:41:10] <postmen> i could need a windows 10 that does what it promises.[00:41:42] <Vidrep> I was being facetious[00:42:10] <postmen> and i'm curious,[00:42:29] <Vidrep> Almost time to go home.[00:43:11] <Vidrep> Barrett, you made me break my silence :p[00:43:27] <Vidrep> Chat later[00:44:42] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!b846db82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.70.219.130> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[00:46:04] <kneekoo> hello, postmen :)[00:46:08] <postmen> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads - oh, now he's gone[00:47:39] <postmen> postmen: speakin' german?[00:47:55] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC ()[00:48:13] <kneekoo> me, extremely limited[00:48:37] <kneekoo> ich bin nur ein Anfänger[00:49:10] <kneekoo> but at least I didn't Google Translated that :P[00:49:42] <postmen> hehe, so u're not from germany?[00:50:31] <kneekoo> I moved to Germany last year but after my first 6 months of work I focused on PHP, jQuery and other web related stuff[00:50:58] <kneekoo> I'm going for a Zend certification soon[00:52:27] <postmen> ok, i had to google that one. not too cheap, i'm afraid.[00:52:50] <kneekoo> I already finished the courses and the test prep[00:53:12] <kneekoo> I just need real-world practice now, which is what I do now :)[00:53:38] <postmen> well, do u need me to give u input?[00:53:56] <kneekoo> oh PHP?[00:54:01] <kneekoo> on* PHP?[00:54:15] <postmen> yes - or are u lookin' for a real job?[00:54:40] <kneekoo> I will go for a job after I get certified, of course[00:55:04] <kneekoo> unless I come up with some brilliant idea and sustain myself financially by myself :P[00:55:22] <kneekoo> sorry for the repetition[00:56:53] <postmen> we had to do a course about mongo db or such stuff, online and for free. but can't remember which university it was.[00:57:34] <postmen> u could remodle the haiku-os.org page. ^^[00:58:16] <kneekoo> hehe, I actually wrote a bit of code a few years ago, on the nightly section[00:58:30] <kneekoo> but I don't know how much of it survived[00:58:35] <postmen> https://www.coursera.org/learn/web-application-development[00:59:28] <kneekoo> thanks for the recommendation :) it's out of scope for my Zend certificaton but definitely interesting for me[01:02:04] <postmen> recommandation, if u consider takin' the course, view it either on tablet or smartphone lyin' on the bed.[01:02:34] <kneekoo> why? :)[01:04:07] <postmen> oh, i just found it the best way.[01:04:42] <kneekoo> I might fall asleep if I do that :))[01:06:18] <postmen> won't hurt, i guess.[01:06:20] <kneekoo> anyway, I prefer doing this stuff on a PC because I can easily try exercises during the course[01:07:32] <kneekoo> I prefer my tablet for Duolingo, though[01:09:07] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:09:07] <postmen> well, of course.[01:09:57] <kneekoo> talking about drivers, I'd like one for my horrible Broadcom card[01:10:22] <Barrett> postmen, we can't use linux drivers unfortunately[01:11:40] <kneekoo> I have an Intel wifi on my laptop but my desktop has a Broadcom one[01:11:54] <kneekoo> WiFi AC + BT[01:12:19] <kneekoo> I have no idea how it performs in Windows but their Linux support sucks[01:12:44] <Barrett> broadcom stuff has always been strange[01:13:15] <kneekoo> if they didn't put some effort into opening the RasPi chip as much as they did, I would only have bad words about them[01:13:18] <Barrett> actually I've to blacklist my eth otherwise Haiku won't boot[01:13:21] <postmen> kneekoo, u know that there is a script in haiku to exectute, best with a lan connection?[01:13:41] <kneekoo> nope, no idea[01:13:51] <kneekoo> what does the script do?[01:13:59] <postmen> kneekoo, do u have or can make a wired connection?[01:14:14] <postmen> it does install drivers for bt, afaik.[01:14:35] <kneekoo> I don't have such a long cable[01:14:45] <postmen> Barrett, well, i just wondered, if the sources could be off help.[01:15:16] <postmen> kneekoo, well, isn't it a notebook? u need the connection for less then a minute.[01:15:26] <kneekoo> my only UTP cable is aabout 1m long, from my small ASUS WL-330N3G router[01:15:51] <kneekoo> my laptop has an Intel wifi card, which works just fine[01:16:16] <postmen> kneekoo, oh, ok - misunderstandin of me, i guess.[01:17:40] <kneekoo> this is on my desktop: Broadcom BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter driver: wl[01:18:22] <postmen> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/de/wifi.html - scroll down to the bottom and have a look[01:20:46] <postmen> well, i gotta go to be - a 10 m cable shouldn't cost much, i guess.[01:21:25] <postmen> https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/en/wifi.html in english, btw.[01:21:33] *** postmen is now known as postmen|afk[01:24:42] <kneekoo> I have some wifi dongles as well - Edimax EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS][01:24:48] <kneekoo> driver: rtl8192cu[01:25:01] <kneekoo> I think that works by default[01:25:34] <kneekoo> hmm... or not[01:25:52] <jessicah> usb wifi adapters won't work[01:26:06] <kneekoo> oh, they don't?[01:26:07] *** postmen|afk <postmen|afk!~tonyc@p5B151328.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:26:15] <jessicah> nop[01:26:45] <jessicah> there's some missing pieces in the wifi compatibility lib to be able to use usb devices[01:27:36] <kneekoo> too bad[01:27:44] <kneekoo> that would've been nice[01:28:34] <kneekoo> how much would help proper funding on the Haiku project?[01:29:10] <kneekoo> I mean, is there enough available developer time and knowledge available if enough funding gets through?[01:29:29] <kneekoo> I mean knowledge about the OS internals[01:30:51] <jessicah> I don't know[01:32:13] <kneekoo> I'd love to advocate for donations to Haiku but the last thing any project needs is bad publicity for unfulfilled expectations[01:36:22] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:44:06] <jessicah> mm, yeah[01:46:45] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[01:50:02] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:51:07] *** Kargaroc <Kargaroc!~Kargaroc@2602:30a:2c3a:6810:6a05:caff:fe14:624f> has joined #haiku[02:17:05] <Barrett> kneekoo, an idea that wasn't really successful in past would be to gather funding and find some freelancer to do the work[02:17:50] <Barrett> but that was many years ago[02:18:09] <Barrett> maybe today the situation is different[02:21:44] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:23:09] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[02:23:44] *** HaikuUser is now known as bbjimmy1[02:26:58] <kneekoo> Barrett: then what else would help?[02:27:47] <Barrett> finding devs?[02:28:02] <Barrett> submitting patches yourself :-)[02:28:15] <Barrett> generally donations are welcome obviously[02:29:20] <kneekoo> tha last time I wrote C was nearly 30 years ago, so that wouldn't bring much to the project :P[02:29:43] <kneekoo> *20 years ago[02:31:17] <kneekoo> and donations mostly happen when people can expect something that they're interested in[02:32:59] <kneekoo> so I guess without a certain plan to release a specialized Haiku spin in order to attract certain donors, the other choice would be to get more developers on board[02:34:09] <kneekoo> too bad GSoC didn't work out this year either[02:36:08] <bbjimmy1> PulkoMandy I can load fatelk.com/repo in Web+ from some locations but not others. maybe a timeout on a re-direct?[02:37:33] <kneekoo> 404 > https://www.haiku-os.org/files/GSoC-Haiku-2014-Flyer-print.pdf[02:38:39] <Barrett> good night[02:38:58] *** Barrett 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I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... http://youtu.be/xldmXca0kvg ...The Smiths - "Unloveable")[05:47:36] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[05:57:43] *** npo <npo!~np@unaffiliated/npo> has left #haiku[06:24:37] <IIsi50MHz> kallisti5: Preliminary testing with available CD from ISO of hrev50335 still shows Boot Loader Death Land when the specified machine is set to AHCI instead of IDE.[06:25:00] <IIsi50MHz> Will update and test again tomorrow.[06:27:27] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[06:55:57] *** pseudomind <pseudomind!~pseudomin@68-119-2-215.dhcp.unas.wa.charter.com> has joined #haiku[07:24:45] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #haiku[07:46:57] *** remaster <remaster!~remaster@betula.neuman.fi> has left #haiku[07:47:56] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-qzphnmcllgbpztgr> has joined #haiku[08:09:36] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:14:19] *** pseudomind <pseudomind!~pseudomin@68-119-2-215.dhcp.unas.wa.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: pseudomind)[08:18:02] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2.123.34.38> has joined #haiku[08:18:04] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:18:13] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cybertron@p50818F4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[08:22:25] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #677: libxcb: fix 2nd arch, create _devel (split), drop libtool files. - https://git.io/vKYKh[08:22:59] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson closed pull request #677: libxcb: fix 2nd arch, create _devel (split), drop libtool files. - https://git.io/vKYKh[08:23:00] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKOOU[08:23:02] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson 2fae58f - libxcb: fix 2nd arch, create _devel (split), drop libtool files. 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(http://www.hboehm.info/gc/) just trying to figure out where to put the recipe[10:34:16] <Begasus> nm found it :)[10:34:29] *** pseudomind <pseudomind!~pseudomin@68-119-2-215.dhcp.unas.wa.charter.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:36:01] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:36:35] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[10:36:38] <Begasus> hmm it's already in the tree, but pkgman doesn't show me anything for "boehm"[10:41:30] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[10:46:34] *** Blub\w <Blub\w!~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:47:47] *** Blub\w <Blub\w!~wry@unaffiliated/blubw/x-6625061> has joined #haiku[11:02:53] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[11:12:21] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[11:13:21] *** gouchi <gouchi!~gouchi@ivr94-8-88-162-27-162.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[11:14:26] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[11:15:40] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:16:08] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[11:26:25] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[11:26:26] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:30:05] *** Begas_ <Begas_!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[11:30:05] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:30:26] *** Begas_ is now known as Begasus[11:33:23] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[11:33:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[11:34:45] *** LaceySnr <LaceySnr!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:47:45] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has joined #haiku[12:20:52] <Begasus> is there a reason why there are twice "haiku${secondaryArchSuffix}_devel" in the generic_lib file in haikuporter? (I don't see it in the recipes?)[12:33:56] *** Tsesarevich <Tsesarevich!sid83162@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:34:38] *** Tsesarevich <Tsesarevich!sid83162@fluxbuntu/founder/joejaxx> has joined #haiku[12:40:39] *** premoboss <premoboss!~utente@62.212.13.223> has joined #haiku[12:43:57] *** Paianni <Paianni!~sailfish@cpc16-heme9-2-0-cust232.9-1.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:48:04] <Barrett> Begasus, https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/590[12:48:14] <Barrett> korli made a similar observation here[12:48:16] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[12:50:17] <Begasus> ah thanks Barrett ... though it looked strange (but perhaps as a guideline still in the generic file) :)[12:51:43] <Barrett> not sure anyway[12:52:51] <Begasus> I'm also guessing once should be enough[12:54:46] <Begasus> hmmm not totaly the same as in the recipe also there Barrett[12:56:16] <Begasus> in the generic file it's listed in REQUIRES_devel and BUILD_REQUIRES[13:04:40] <Barrett> Begasus, I think the right move is to do that how you see reasonable[13:04:51] <Barrett> if there's something wrong someone will comment hopefull[13:07:22] <Begasus> ;) will do (later)[13:09:55] <Barrett> you can also mention it in the pull request comments so that someone will look at it for sure[13:13:01] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:25:02] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[13:37:05] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[13:39:28] *** Oippm_ <Oippm_!RegisterOn@elite.bshellz.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[13:40:13] *** pisculichi <pisculichi!pisculichi@unaffiliated/pisculichi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:46:20] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[14:02:06] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-qzphnmcllgbpztgr> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[14:02:44] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[14:04:00] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cybertron@p50818F4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:11:02] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50395 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a784c3ad73a1+%5E7a137e0f0cca[14:11:03] <HAIKU-irker848> 778b5d524b1b: MediaPlayer: Fetch the clipboard for an url[14:11:04] <HAIKU-irker848> a784c3ad73a1: MediaPlayer: Handle B_ENTER in network window[14:12:49] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #haiku[14:26:47] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2658 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/2658 blamelist: Dario Casalinuovo <b.vitruvio at gmail dot com>[14:28:10] *** Carl| <Carl|!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[14:30:31] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:31:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2916 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/2916 blamelist: Dario Casalinuovo <b.vitruvio at gmail dot com>[14:32:10] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ilcexvxvewilrnmg> has joined #haiku[14:34:43] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:35:15] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[14:35:33] *** pisculichi <pisculichi!pisculichi@shell.bshellz.net> has joined #haiku[14:36:24] *** Carl| <Carl|!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Quit: “Out of the chaos, they will run and whimper, praying for me to end their tedious anarchy. 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God: the title suits Me well.” —SHODAN, System Shock)[14:37:11] *** Oippm <Oippm!RegisterOn@elite.bshellz.net> has joined #haiku[14:39:00] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has joined #haiku[14:55:53] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[15:09:01] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50396 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=afe64ad26e81+%5Ea784c3ad73a1[15:09:02] <HAIKU-irker848> afe64ad26e81: MediaPlayer: Fix x86_64 build[15:17:50] *** premoboss <premoboss!~utente@62.212.13.223> has quit IRC (Quit: Sto andando via)[15:21:08] *** pisculichi <pisculichi!pisculichi@shell.bshellz.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:21:08] *** pisculichi <pisculichi!pisculichi@unaffiliated/pisculichi> has joined #haiku[15:22:26] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2659 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/2659[15:22:40] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-150.fh-giessen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:30:05] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-145.fh-giessen.de> has joined #haiku[15:35:00] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@nat2-145.fh-giessen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[15:47:54] *** MrSunshine <MrSunshine!~mrsun@2001:678:f0:1091:1522:32f2:7c3c:ed17> has joined #haiku[15:50:04] *** BitPuffin|osx <BitPuffin|osx!~isak@237.135.6.51.dyn.plus.net> has joined #haiku[15:51:18] *** vidrep <vidrep!b846db82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.70.219.130> has joined #haiku[15:51:37] <vidrep> Good morning[15:58:56] <kallisti5> IIsi50MHz: thanks for testing. Trying to clear out the *old* tickets without closing things that are still an issue :-)[15:59:54] *** stargate1 <stargate1!~stargater@x4db9d616.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[16:01:50] *** aym_ <aym_!~aym@2a02:17d0:66:f900:8157:997b:daf1:5afb> has joined #haiku[16:03:17] <vidrep> kallisti5, there are probably a lot of tickets which could be batched together (duplicates)[16:04:04] <vidrep> I go through my own tickets every so often to see which can be closed[16:04:17] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:09:58] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Alexco500 opened issue #678: clang always uses old gcc 2.9.5 linker, wrong default includes - https://git.io/vKONd[16:17:18] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:21:06] <vidrep> Hi Barrett[16:22:07] <vidrep> Sorry I haven't been able to try out your MediaPlayer changes. I'll try tomorrow.[16:22:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #2917 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/2917[16:23:08] <vidrep> I can probably help out a little by testing old MediaPlayer related tickets to see how amny are still valid[16:23:14] <vidrep> many[16:26:18] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] Begasus opened pull request #679: libunistring, cleaned out layout according to the generic file, added… - https://git.io/vKOp3[16:28:57] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: GeneralDuke)[16:38:32] <Barrett> vidrep, you're welcome[16:39:13] <Barrett> kallisti5, I think for tickets where who reported them disappeared from years and doesn't replied in a while it's better to just close them[16:39:44] <Barrett> I might be bad but, I can imagine someone having the exact same issue and don't reporting/commenting just because the ticket is already there[16:39:53] <Barrett> in that case we lose a potential tester for the future[16:41:29] <Barrett> also tickets where there's not any debugging infos, no reason to keep them open[16:42:03] <Barrett> there were a *lot* of tickets in the media_kit that were things like "XX crash" and nothing much[16:42:09] <vidrep> Does anybody actually use Net+ anymore?[16:42:31] <vidrep> I still see open tickets in trac for Net+[16:42:47] <Barrett> In projects I've seen those are closed without any mercy, usually with tags like "won't fix" or "invalid"[16:43:21] <Barrett> vidrep, that is the kind of tickets we really don't need[16:43:34] <vidrep> The only reason I canthink of is as a test for BeOS binary compatability[16:43:52] <Barrett> after I've done the work of patiently closing/testing/killing the media_kit tickets I can now see more clearly what the important remaining problems are[16:44:02] <Barrett> when I begun working on media_kit I was disappointed[16:44:16] <Barrett> a lot of them turned out to be duplicates, such as the firewire-dv problem[16:45:52] <Barrett> we have sometimes to decide what is possible to do and what's not[16:46:08] <Barrett> this is the first step in doing something[16:46:48] <vidrep> Barrett, do you have any plans to merge CDPlayer functionality into MediaPlayer, since the former was depreciated?[16:49:17] <Barrett> not something I see in my near plans[16:49:57] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #haiku[16:50:27] <Barrett> I think CDPlayer should have never been included in Haiku and the problem should have been solved since the beginning in MediaPlayer[16:51:02] <Barrett> same considerations apply for TV[16:51:41] <Barrett> maybe plugin-izing MediaPlayer would help[16:51:49] *** netstar <netstar!~al@host81-136-165-233.in-addr.btopenworld.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:03:17] <Barrett> vidrep, in any case I have not idea about what of special CDPlayer does[17:03:38] <Barrett> to my vision it could be replaced by just creating a playlist on the moment and playing it in MediaPlayer[17:04:17] <Barrett> we could add an eject button too, but a menu item could work as well and it's better maneageable[17:04:46] <vidrep> That's what I was thinking as well[17:05:09] <vidrep> The eject button and playlist[17:05:18] <vidrep> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/engleek/2010-04-28_gsoc_improve_and_extend_media_player[17:06:54] <vidrep> I might reinstall CDPlayer on Haiku, just to refresh my memory and see if any ideas pop into my head[17:07:12] <Barrett> hironically my vision and implementation of streaming is completely different than that of the proposal :-)[17:07:42] *** [newbie] <[newbie]!~q5sys@dynamic-acs-24-101-124-142.zoominternet.net> has quit IRC (Quit: I came here to drink milk and kick ass... and I've just finished my milk.)[17:08:15] *** q5sys <q5sys!~q5sys@dynamic-acs-24-101-124-142.zoominternet.net> has joined #haiku[17:08:15] <Barrett> no use of media_nodes at all, no drastic changes to ffmpeg and other parts at all, just two new classes[17:08:59] <Barrett> (well I had to put blood to figure out how to design them correctly, but in the end no drastic changes)[17:14:51] <vidrep> I know there's quite a few Haiku users out there who are interested in this aspect of Haiku development (MediaKit/MediaPlayer)[17:15:10] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B150EB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[17:16:24] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@pool-96-231-171-171.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has joined #haiku[17:16:43] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@pool-96-231-171-171.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[17:16:43] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@unaffiliated/swift110> has joined #haiku[17:30:41] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:33:25] <Barrett> what a pity anyway, I'm not surprised we didn't catch GSoC in the latest 2 years[17:36:18] *** 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disappeared, I guess right now we are not much[17:45:34] <postmen> hehe[17:46:01] <Barrett> but I've not arrived thanks to GSoC[17:46:10] <Barrett> I was GCI mentor since 2010[17:46:13] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:46:19] <vidrep> ...and the reason for disapperance?[17:46:25] <Barrett> and my first patch dates back to 2008/2009 when I developed the msn plugin[17:46:42] <Barrett> finally GSoC was a bad experience for me, so don't count me in.[17:46:57] <Begasus> hmm ... im_kit Barrett? ;)[17:47:06] <Barrett> Begasus, Caya[17:47:06] <postmen> vidrep, well, either too good, find a good payin' job and have no time left i guess, or just not good enough.[17:47:22] <Barrett> vidrep, because that people wasn't really interested in Haiku?[17:47:26] <Barrett> dunno[17:47:38] <Begasus> ah k ... I could get connection with im_kit back then[17:47:53] <Begasus> job ... family ...[17:47:59] <Barrett> yeah it was basically a new interface wrote over the im_kit API[17:48:02] <Barrett> but changed a lot in the end[17:48:21] <postmen> guys, i have a question and little experience. when tryin' to compile several old hugs versions for haiku, i get various error messages i can't remember gettin' under beos.[17:48:42] <vidrep> I have chatted with some GSOC and GCI people privately who told me because they thought Haiku had no future - it was a dead end or waste of time[17:49:00] <postmen> now, i've a write tickets for all of them, i probably get kicked out, because the fault might be the buggy hugs source code.[17:49:38] <postmen> does anybody see any other chance than begeistert to figure out, if those errors are more haiku or more hugs related?[17:50:16] <Barrett> I'm not particularly interested in GSoC, neither in mentoring for it, it was useful back in the days but right now it's just a slow down[17:50:25] <vidrep> Sometimes when I feel frustrated and think that way too. I suppose I stay beacuse I still get fun from the experience, learn something new, and nostalgia for BeOS[17:50:45] <Begasus> +1 vidrep[17:51:52] <Barrett> postmen, writing to the haiku-3rdparty-dev ml?[17:52:31] <postmen> well, from my not codin' perspective i'm surprised how well haiku runs in the virtual machine. beos is quite a pain there and u're missin' a lot of stuff, like gcc etc.[17:53:32] <Barrett> vidrep, the pyramid of OpenSource isn't founded on money[17:53:47] <postmen> it's just that there are no users, what i can't fully understand. and i've got some issuses with the general usage, like no windows-key to enter programs, no windows+d for the desktop (minimize all), no strg + alt + t for the terminal.[17:54:01] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:54:13] <Barrett> the contributor on which you wouldn't have bet is usually the better[17:54:22] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has joined #haiku[17:54:33] *** OmniMancer <OmniMancer!~Paul@219.89.220.160> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:54:34] <postmen> Barrett, thanks, i will consider that as soon as i got the time. coulnd't imagine what a 3rdparty mailing list ist supposed to be for.[17:54:41] <Barrett> GSoC while being helpful isn't founded on those principles IMHO[17:54:58] <Barrett> in fact GCI turned out a very good contest when they get out money from it[17:57:20] <vidrep> I suppose another reason for continuing is that I have "hopefully" made friends on IRC who share the same sentiments for continuing this project[17:59:32] <vidrep> I have never met any of the Haiku community members face to face, but I feel a sense of community.[18:00:08] <postmen> vidrep, and maybe a bit the complexity of windows and linux? i mean, windows 10 behaves like a virus and microsoft knows, how many hours people play under windows - how come? :)[18:00:50] <vidrep> It would be a bloody shame to see this project die after all the years of hard work devs and users have put into it[18:02:59] <Begasus> checking for libncursesw in /usr/lib... yes? ;)[18:03:52] <postmen> well, i gotta go, but my opinion is, it will survive, if it will find a certain corner for itself. netbook, pad, educational environement, server - whatever might fit.[18:05:11] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has joined #haiku[18:05:15] <Begasus> it's still alive :) been hanging in from 2000 :)[18:05:28] <vidrep> Haiku needs to find its niche. It will never be the OS of choice for servers or an office environment[18:07:14] <vidrep> I think it can be a light weight alternative desktop OS behind the big 4 - Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD[18:08:42] <postmen> i think it is already, with maybe the lack of some small office suite like gobe p. e. - but just nobody seems to care.[18:08:47] *** postmen is now known as postmen|afk[18:14:21] *** GeneralDuke <GeneralDuke!~Thunderbi@pdi29.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:15:32] <Barrett> vidrep, depends strongly on what you intend for "server"[18:15:49] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has joined #haiku[18:16:08] <Barrett> matter of fact TuneTracker is doing radio broadcasting which is a server purpose, and it's the only profitable business we know related to Haiku.[18:16:22] <Barrett> if we are talking of web servers well that's another matter[18:17:00] <Barrett> but I think Haiku could be a good choice to create little streaming servers with outdated or cheap hardware[18:17:33] <Begasus> against the major webservers it would be a hard thing to compete imho[18:17:52] <Begasus> Dane has been doing a good thing with TT keeping Haiku alive[18:18:00] <Barrett> in any case I don't think limiting the purpose of an OS is helpful, any other mainstream OS actually provide some server capabilities with different results but it's part of their business[18:18:38] <Barrett> this includes OSX as well, which is the more similar to Haiku of the three[18:18:58] <XeonSquared> If Haiku had an X server (and functional hardware OpenGL, which wasn't there last time I tried) I'd probably use it as my main desktop OS[18:19:29] *** anijain <anijain!uid117658@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylfnccjghtonhzzd> has joined #haiku[18:20:03] <vidrep> Barrett, yes what I meant was as a webserver[18:20:27] <Barrett> even MS is now using linux on it's cloud devices[18:20:54] <Barrett> we agree on that, but there are a lot of server purposes Haiku could fit[18:21:57] <Barrett> main problem is that we have not multiuser support[18:22:20] <Barrett> various times I've think of setting up a demonstrative image conversion site[18:22:34] <Barrett> but I can't trust Haiku as is right now[18:22:50] <Barrett> but doing something like that could be really a matter of a few lines of code[18:23:38] <vidrep> http://testou.free.fr/www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/products/beos/mediaos.html[18:23:50] <vidrep> BeOS - The Media OS[18:27:54] <Begasus> checking for /boot/system/develop/headers//x86/jpeglib.h... yes ... ok, taking a break now :) doggy time :)[18:29:49] <Barrett> vidrep, most of what there's in this paper is now the standard[18:30:12] <vidrep> Of course[18:30:34] <Barrett> one thing that makes Haiku really superior is being simple, consistent and modular[18:30:37] <FlyingJester> mozjpeg as system jpeg when? :P[18:30:45] <vidrep> 1998[18:31:10] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[18:31:59] <Barrett> vidrep, we all agree BeOS was ahead of time[18:32:03] <Barrett> but Haiku isn't[18:33:32] <vidrep> No, and never will be. However, with a few improvements here and there it could replace Windows as a daily use OS[18:34:48] <vidrep> Haiku cannot, and should not try to be all things to all people like Windows[18:35:38] <vidrep> However, it should be able to do most daily use tasks well enough[18:36:21] *** Akuji <Akuji!~akuji@ipservice-092-208-041-204.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:40:00] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4db9d616.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[18:43:35] <vidrep> Barrett, talking about TuneTracker...do you still correspond with Dane and Cedric?[18:45:20] <Barrett> yes, I've even done some collaboration with them[18:50:25] <vidrep> I haven't heard a peep from ttcoder in months.[18:51:49] *** Skipp_OSX <Skipp_OSX!~john@2601:602:8800:3100:d42f:73ae:d85c:9d01> has joined #haiku[18:51:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[18:54:34] <Skipp_OSX> Barrett, what could Haiku do for R2 to make it ahead of it's time?[18:56:57] <pecan> Skipp_OSX: Reimplement AS/400 but BeOS-ish?[18:59:58] <Barrett> Skipp_OSX, I've a strange unfinished project which engine's I call Minerva, and would be something like an ai_kit[19:00:44] <Barrett> probably having some kind of FPGA acceleration/support is an idea too[19:02:10] <Barrett> also I can think of eliminating current UNIX file structure, just like OS/360[19:02:43] <Barrett> so all files would be in the root directory and the user would access using things like queries but more advanced[19:03:04] <pecan> even just extending the file system to have more than just streaming files would be interesting, like VMS's Files-11 system or vOS[19:03:05] <Barrett> I'd also add running apps in special virtual machines[19:03:36] <Skipp_OSX> Barrett, I thought the same thing regarding the file system, would be interesting to explore reducing hierarchy in favor of tags and queries[19:03:53] <Barrett> and probably providing a simple language, human-like that allow the user to do things like automation etc., train neural networks and things like that[19:04:04] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:04:34] <pecan> Skipp_OSX: If you're not familiar with AS/400 or IBM iSeries, go acquaint yourself with that ^_^[19:04:56] <Skipp_OSX> pecan, I am not, I googled it, but, it didn't provide much enlightenment[19:05:44] <pecan> Skipp_OSX: Ah. Well basically it has a 128-bit persistent address space. SQL-like queries can be performed on persisted objects.[19:06:50] <Barrett> basically, I think a future OS should work more like a search engine[19:08:36] <vidrep> The Haiku package management is ahead of its time[19:09:22] <Skipp_OSX> vidrep, that's infrastructure though, which, while nice, is not something that brings in the crowds[19:09:31] <Skipp_OSX> lacks a certain wow factor[19:09:45] <pecan> Nix and Guix are the future of package management IMO[19:11:40] <vidrep> I don't think Haiku will ever bring in the crowds, but we might get a few new people interested with a release[19:14:23] <vidrep> "It’s clear that technological progress comes from doing things differently in an unpredictable way." - Stanton friedman[19:14:44] <Skipp_OSX> it is an interesting exercise to think about what a future looking OS might look like though[19:15:40] <Barrett> there are various problems to solve, such as living in a consistent world of metadata is basically impossible[19:16:32] <Barrett> but there might be ways around that, and ways to get out something useful from this model[19:17:47] <Barrett> files are convenient because they resemble the physical world and are bidimensional[19:18:40] <Skipp_OSX> a future-looking OS would need to have a server/cloud component to it I think[19:18:45] <pecan> Haiku is interesting from a future OS design standpoint because of its multithreading IMO. Also the graphics stack is still quite advanced, comparatively.[19:19:19] <pecan> Though when your competition is GDI and X11, I guess that's not saying much.[19:19:34] <pecan> Ugh. I hope future OSes aren't ChromeOS-like. I don't want to be stuck in some walled-garden-digital-prison.[19:19:36] <Skipp_OSX> Haiku is interesting from a future OS design standpoint because it is working, fully open source, and simple enough to understand and expand[19:20:58] <vidrep> Haiku has the advantage of being designed from scratch - no need to build upon old foundations or have backwards compatability after R1[19:21:24] <pecan> A future OS would have persistent memory and an integrated Rebol-like scripting language.[19:21:35] <pecan> Wait, I might've just invented Smalltalk systems.[19:23:31] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@95.239.200.116> has joined #haiku[19:27:17] <Skipp_OSX> It might be interesting to have an OS that removed the differentiation between temporary storage and permanent storage[19:27:47] <pecan> Skipp_OSX: AS/400. That's why I mentioned it for futuristic OS design.[19:28:00] <Barrett> Skipp_OSX, means going over the von-newman model[19:28:33] <Barrett> there are lots of alternatives to that model, it's just that they don't work well[19:28:51] <pecan> Barrett: Better tell that to the banks running iSeries.[19:29:59] <Skipp_OSX> I guess these ideas are storage related... which is just one aspect[19:30:04] <Barrett> at the low level they are still von newmann machines[19:30:49] <pecan> At that point von Neumann machines are meaninglessly vague. Is it still von Neumann if it has separate instruction and data caches?[19:31:03] <Barrett> doing what Skipp_OSX said will need to remove any gerarchy of memory[19:32:15] <pecan> Even with non-volatile memory you still need CPU caches[19:32:17] <pecan> for the time being[19:32:51] <pecan> Are mainframes running APL von Neumann? The programming model is decidedly non-von-Neumann, so what does it matter if the CPU has one bus or two?[19:34:13] <Barrett> any existing machine has some gerarchy in data access one way or another[19:34:54] <Barrett> this is the point of everything IMHO[19:34:58] <pecan> Yes, and they will until we have extremely dense non-volatile memory the speed of L1 cache.[19:36:43] <pecan> Ugh, I still can't get Haiku to install in VirtualBox.[19:37:06] <pecan> either something is messed up or I'm stupid. The latter is almost certainly true, the question is whether both are…[19:37:25] <Barrett> if you don't specify the issue, no way to help[19:38:01] <pecan> No bootable medium found.[19:39:45] <Barrett> did you initialize a partition map?[19:39:55] <Barrett> if yes run makebootable on the disk from the live[19:41:59] <Barrett> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/booting[19:43:55] <pecan> Well, makebootable seems to have gotten it booting, but now I got "failed to load OS, press any key to reboot". I think this is much easier to fix though.[19:43:57] <pecan> thanks.[19:46:54] <Barrett> np, there's a guide about vbox too[19:48:15] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:53:16] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: kallisti5 * hrev50397 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e52593c403d9+%5Eafe64ad26e81[19:53:17] <HAIKU-irker848> e52593c403d9: ahci: Disable tracing, make tracing more chatty[19:59:54] *** wesbl <wesbl!~wesbl@95.239.200.116> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:07:46] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:13:03] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:18:38] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #haiku[20:25:30] *** illwieckz <illwieckz!~illwieckz@unvanquished/developer/illwieckz> has joined #haiku[20:26:10] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@46.165.208.71> has joined #haiku[20:45:49] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas opened pull request #680: Xorg fontutil recipe - https://git.io/vK3ox[20:47:34] <Begasus> ok .. fizmo working also :)[20:49:19] *** gbl08ma <gbl08ma!~gbl08ma@ec2-52-23-151-127.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:50:11] <vidrep> kallisti5, can you explain "more chatty" in regards to the syslog?[20:51:22] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #680: Xorg fontutil recipe - https://git.io/vK3ox[20:52:49] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #680: Xorg fontutil recipe - https://git.io/vK3ox[20:55:41] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #680: Xorg fontutil recipe - https://git.io/vK3ox[20:59:24] <stargater> oh xorg?[21:01:35] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #680: Xorg fontutil recipe - https://git.io/vK3ox[21:03:44] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #680: Xorg fontutil recipe - https://git.io/vK3ox[21:05:08] <mmu_man> wtf[21:06:03] <Begasus> https://www.flickr.com/photos/begasus/28143749556/[21:11:34] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e32b3a3.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[21:11:44] <lelldorin> hello all[21:13:00] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@46.165.208.71> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:14:36] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@46.165.208.71> has joined #haiku[21:15:37] <vidrep> Hi lelldorin[21:17:30] <Begasus> hi lelldorin[21:21:27] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas opened pull request #681: libtorrent update - https://git.io/vK3MG[21:22:39] *** swift110 <swift110!~swift1104@unaffiliated/swift110> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:30:41] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-54-205-168-195.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[21:30:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[21:32:20] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas opened pull request #682: Rtorrent update - https://git.io/vK3yk[21:38:06] *** anijain <anijain!uid117658@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ylfnccjghtonhzzd> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:49:03] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-188-104-167-024.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:51:18] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-188-104-167-024.188.104.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[21:54:23] <Begasus> is there a way to extract atari disk images? http://ifarchive.org/indexes/if-archiveXgamesXatari-8bit.html[21:54:44] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas opened pull request #683: LuaJit recipe - https://git.io/vK3H4[21:57:27] <lelldorin> begasus: ftp://ftp.pigwa.net/stuff/collections/holmes%20cd/Holmes%202/PC%20Atari%20Utils/Xdir%201.0/Xdir.txt[22:02:51] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5ed92a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.42.5> has joined #haiku[22:03:29] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas opened pull request #684: LibPCRE2 recipe - https://git.io/vK3QV[22:06:20] <miqlas-H> I just published all my recipes.[22:17:34] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #684: LibPCRE2 recipe - https://git.io/vK3QV[22:18:17] <Begasus> whoot ;) http://ifarchive.org/indexes/if-archiveXgamesXbeos.html[22:18:24] <Begasus> and still running :)[22:20:39] *** vidrep <vidrep!b846db82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.70.219.130> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:25:07] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas opened pull request #685: GNU Fortran enabled in GCC - https://git.io/vK3dM[22:28:57] *** cucujoidea <cucujoidea!5ed92a05@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.217.42.5> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:30:27] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] miqlas synchronize pull request #684: LibPCRE2 recipe - https://git.io/vK3QV[22:30:56] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54C3C8C2.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:31:04] *** Begasus <Begasus!~Begas_@d54c3c8c2.access.telenet.be> has joined #haiku[22:31:12] <Begasus> plop[22:31:25] <Begasus> think the laptop got a bit overheated :)[22:31:26] <miqlas-H> plebejus[22:31:52] <miqlas-H> circus and bread![22:39:37] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[22:39:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[22:41:42] <miqlas-H> I need to go[22:41:44] <miqlas-H> Bye[22:41:55] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@46.165.208.71> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[22:47:13] *** pseudomind <pseudomind!~pseudomin@68-119-2-215.dhcp.unas.wa.charter.com> has joined #haiku[22:48:48] *** pseudomind <pseudomind!~pseudomin@68-119-2-215.dhcp.unas.wa.charter.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:05:39] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50398 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6db16da47ad7+%5Ee52593c403d9[23:05:40] <HAIKU-irker848> 6db16da47ad7: playfile: Make it to accept URLs along with files[23:09:11] *** valerius <valerius!~valerius@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:09:27] *** valeriusq <valeriusq!~quassel@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:09:28] *** valeriusL <valeriusL!~quassel@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:11:27] *** valeriusq <valeriusq!~quassel@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has joined #haiku[23:12:27] *** valeriusL <valeriusL!~quassel@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has joined #haiku[23:12:37] *** lelldorin <lelldorin!~chatzilla@x4e32b3a3.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421])[23:13:35] *** valerius <valerius!~valerius@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has joined #haiku[23:13:36] *** valerius <valerius!~valerius@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[23:14:35] *** valerius <valerius!~valerius@2a01:4f8:d16:2052::2> has joined #haiku[23:15:44] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:13] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:18:23] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-089-166-168-214.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:24:54] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[23:30:07] <Skipp_OSX> kind of misnamed now[23:30:11] <Skipp_OSX> playfileorurl[23:32:33] <Begasus> sdl_net is missing a 'provides' :)[23:34:22] <Begasus> that will be for tomorrow, night peeps[23:34:27] *** Begasus is now known as Begas_afk[23:47:34] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ilcexvxvewilrnmg> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[23:50:31] <Barrett> Skipp_OSX, I'd not care too much[23:50:57] <Barrett> and an url with media data can be considered still a file[23:51:21] <Barrett> it's just sort of strange file :-)[23:51:37] <Barrett> feel free to rename it anyway[23:52:52] <Skipp_OSX> Barrett, I don't care too much