July 7, 2016 
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July 7, 2016 [00:00:14] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #635: vlc: use additional-files and fix duplicate vlc.rdef in patch. (WIP) - https://git.io/vocU6[00:02:29] <postmen> thanks, found what u mean.[00:04:10] *** daniele_athome <daniele_athome!~daniele_a@net-2-38-120-150.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[00:04:35] <DHowett> 12[00:04:41] <DHowett> er, sorry.[00:20:12] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has quit IRC (Quit: 15 minutes with you / oh, I wouldn't say no... I wear black on the outside because black is how I feel on the inside... Uso negro por fuera porque negro me siento por dentro... http://youtu.be/xldmXca0kvg ...The Smiths - "Unloveable")[00:20:41] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:22:45] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has joined #haiku[00:28:23] *** Sir_Designer <Sir_Designer!~Sir_Desig@wikipedia/mareklug> has joined #haiku[00:29:40] <postmen> Barrett: mv: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/bin/#inst.45812#' : Invalid Argument. - Does that make any sence to u?[00:31:11] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined #haiku[00:35:53] <postmen> well, never mind, i got the first version workin'.[00:37:23] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash closed pull request #671: libmatroska: fix REQUIRES_devel, drop libtool file, add TEST(). - https://git.io/voAVl[00:37:25] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/vKt7Z[00:37:26] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson e343742 - libmatroska: fix REQUIRES_devel, drop libtool file, add TEST(). (#671)[00:43:27] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-075-116.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[00:43:47] <postmen> wow, i think i finish off for today. first one compiles just fine. second one gives a bunch of errors.[00:44:37] *** Vidrep <Vidrep!b846db82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.184.70.219.130> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[00:45:16] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-epcvgnkywbosaxql> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[00:46:38] *** postmen is now known as postmen|afk[00:49:56] <Barrett> apparently we are getting really near the end of moore law[00:50:39] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@14-201-186-244.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:51:01] *** postmen|afk <postmen|afk!~tonyc@p5B15014A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:51:41] <pecan> So they say. IBM's been able to make 3nm for a while now, so it's more just "will EUV ever become not expensive"[00:53:25] <Barrett> 5 nm means something like 7-8 atoms between the transistor electrodes[00:54:14] <Barrett> it's usually referred as the maximum pratical limits (non experimental)[00:54:17] <pecan> III-V semicondutors are already used in military radios and such. more just a question of economies of scale for EUV lithography vs other semiconductor materials.[00:55:20] <Barrett> pecan, don't know what a III-V semiconductor is[00:56:31] <pecan> a combination of a group III element (ex Ga) with a group V element (ex As)[00:56:36] <Barrett> what I'd expect is to begin seeing quantum and classical hybrid processors[00:56:38] <pecan> gallium arsenide is particularly common[00:56:56] <Barrett> what advantage would give?[00:57:01] <pecan> smaller and faster[00:57:09] <pecan> less electron leakage, all that good stuff[00:57:15] <Barrett> how can you go smaller than a few atoms? :-)[00:57:33] <pecan> fewer atoms! :D[00:57:45] <Barrett> 1 atom is the minimum lol[00:57:52] *** kneekoo <kneekoo!~nicu@dslb-094-217-075-116.094.217.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #haiku[00:58:11] <Barrett> but it seems there's a limit where quantum mechanics makes the transistor unreliable[00:58:44] <pecan> we've been past that limit for a while aren't we?[00:58:50] <Barrett> so you can't really go to 1 atom[00:59:20] <pecan> Quantum processors that attach as accelerators like GPUs would be interesting.[01:00:07] <pecan> I'd like to see more interesting stuff like FPGAs with access to main memory (e.g. IBM's CAPI) become common, better languages for parallelism, etc.[01:01:55] *** postmen <postmen!~tonyc@p5B15014A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[01:02:11] <Barrett> yeah FPGAs will surely come out in the battle at some point[01:02:17] <Barrett> thinking of a reconfigurable processor[01:02:27] <pecan> Intel bought Altera a couple years ago, so something's presumably happening.[01:02:35] <pecan> and IBM and Xilinx keep coming up with interesting stuff[01:03:10] <Barrett> main problem is that once you have an FPGA that does something[01:03:11] <pecan> high-level synthesis keeps advancing too, though it's still sketchy at best[01:03:22] <Barrett> is much less expensive to transform it into an ASIC[01:03:52] <Barrett> so it's like the chiken and egg problem[01:04:32] <pecan> Well, the idea with an FPGA is your application can have several parts that can be accelerated with an FPGA, so you could flash different bitstreams at different times.[01:05:14] <pecan> Or do interesting things like genetic algorithms generating hardware designs[01:05:49] <Barrett> yeah that depends on how much reconfiguring is worth[01:06:17] <pecan> Then there's yet more stuff like asynchronous processors to reduce power consumption. We're just at the end of the cheap part of Moore's law, now we have to get a little clever.[01:06:18] <Barrett> there are only certain applications that are worth[01:07:21] <pecan> Yeah, but imagine say Java JITing to hardware.[01:07:23] <pecan> that'd be interesting[01:08:35] <Barrett> what is interesting of quantum processors is the ability to work with exponential problems[01:08:56] <pecan> very, very few problems actually get sped up with quantum processors though.[01:09:23] <pecan> there's like… Shor's algorithm, which isn't going to be useful in 10 years since everyone's moving to elliptic curve crypto anyway[01:09:27] <pecan> and simulated annealing[01:09:48] <Barrett> yeah but the ability to work with those problems might get us move on different paradigms[01:09:51] *** XeonSquared <XeonSquared!~ShadowKat@210.1.213.55> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:10:03] <postmen> mhmm, what does it mean, if i get a whole bunch of compile errors?[01:10:17] <Barrett> simulated annealing might allow us to get forward with neural networks[01:10:37] <Barrett> and who know, we might get that digits aren't that useful[01:11:05] <pecan> Yeah, that is one thing. You could probably avoid some of the local optima problems of neural networks if simulated annealing was really fast.[01:11:31] <Barrett> postmen, you are missing some include paths[01:12:17] <Barrett> what I'm puzzled recently is that in the end a lot of problems aren't really related to speed itself but to the number of connections of a single element[01:12:22] <pecan> Apparently someone's already tried simulated annealing instead of backprop for optimizing neural networks.[01:12:25] <Barrett> i.e. the brain[01:12:40] <postmen> well, that could be - to me it seemed haiku is broken. funny thing is, in the next version compile errors become less.[01:13:17] <Barrett> pecan, I think it needs to redesign completely the paradigm[01:13:54] <Barrett> multi-layer perceptrons are something easy to manage, but miss a lot of paths[01:14:26] <pecan> I sort of feel like neural networks are something of a fad anyway, just like expert systems in the 80s.[01:15:28] <Barrett> yeah thinking to actual neural networks models I feel the same[01:15:51] <Barrett> postmen, show the errors[01:15:56] <Barrett> use nopaste[01:16:25] <pecan> I was toying with the idea of using support vector machines to learn probability distributions for nodes in a bayesian logic network, but didn't get very far.[01:18:57] <Barrett> generally I'm of the idea that probability models can't grow really faster as we need[01:19:42] <Barrett> I mean, we don't have a billion years to populate a network of the size of the universe[01:20:11] <pecan> Then give a billion computers one year.[01:20:12] <Barrett> the problem should be put somewhere else[01:20:49] <pecan> I think the reason neural networks are popular is you can literally just throw more hardware and data at the problem, even if your understanding of the problem is bad.[01:21:04] <postmen> Barrett: https://nopaste.me/view/d8e23e97[01:21:14] <Barrett> yeah but hw grows linearly, serious problems grows exponentially[01:21:42] <Barrett> it's always the same thing one side or another[01:21:44] <pecan> Yeah. We need more approximations for exponential problems.[01:22:38] <Barrett> postmen, the problem look inside the tree[01:22:53] <Barrett> maybe you messed up with some #define?[01:23:48] <postmen> Barrett, thats not my code. it'S kind of an official code. but somehow it doesn't work with haiku. i just wondered, where the problem is - on haiku or on haskells side[01:24:43] <postmen> the next one has just minor problems, the very next version, well, asks for xserver and opengl and so on.[01:25:04] <Barrett> postmen, I'd try to see if you can disable them[01:26:35] <Barrett> pecan, maybe at some point we will learn that Einstein was right and "god doesn't play dices" :-)[01:26:40] <Barrett> who know[01:27:32] <postmen> Barrett, i was afraid u wouldn't get my point.[01:28:43] <Barrett> postmen, usually those problems are a thing of configuring correctly the path[01:28:59] <Barrett> in some cases where the code was written badly you have to modify some defines[01:29:42] <postmen> oh, ok, i see. thank u. so i people will not be amused if i write tickets on haiku-os.org for it, i guess.[01:30:36] <Barrett> this is not really something related to haiku[01:31:21] <Barrett> I think you're missing something in the code[01:31:39] <postmen> fine. i'm not so sure about it. but thats just becaue of jessicah statement on findin' errors in haiku while compilin' haskell. well i guess in that certain point u r right.[01:31:55] <postmen> Barrett, i don't look at the code at all.[01:32:29] <postmen> i just run compile on various versions.[01:32:32] <Barrett> postmen, I assume you are not a programmer?[01:34:37] <postmen> not this time.[01:35:04] <Barrett> postmen, I'd try with the latest version which have fewer errors[01:35:14] <Barrett> investigate on correct configure and so[01:35:31] <Barrett> in any case I'd look at the code to understand in line of principle what's missing[01:35:34] *** mattlacey <mattlacey!~mattlacey@59-100-30-52.mel.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #haiku[01:35:41] <Barrett> sorry I can't do more :-)[01:36:06] <postmen> no, thanks, u don't understand me but u already helped me.[01:36:59] <Barrett> also are you using gcc4?[01:37:13] <Barrett> the default compiler is gcc2[01:37:19] <Barrett> setarch x86[01:37:38] <Barrett> anyway time to sleep for me[01:37:43] <postmen> i think i'm usin' gcc2, since that are old programm files, i assue that's what they expect to fin.[01:37:46] <postmen> right.[01:38:59] <postmen> good night[01:39:13] *** postmen is now known as postmen|afk[01:43:07] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@s229123.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has quit IRC (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke)[01:45:18] * Barrett disappears in a puff of logic[01:45:24] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:52:04] *** postmen|afk <postmen|afk!~tonyc@p5B15014A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:18:27] *** nighty <nighty!~nighty@d246113.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp> has joined #haiku[02:20:38] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #754 of haiku-nightlies-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-nightlies-x86_64/builds/754[02:23:30] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] jprostko pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/vKqfJ[02:23:31] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] jprostko 58f053c - Bump Fossil to version 1.35[02:32:00] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cybertron@p50819C57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[03:18:11] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.207.222> has joined #haiku[03:23:51] *** DingoSaar <DingoSaar!~hagen@pD9E0924C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:28:27] *** kallisti5ku <kallisti5ku!~vision@dsl-dhcp-katytxxchrc-64-92-4-114.consolidated.net> has joined #haiku[03:38:16] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-xfgtniqlmvzvjzit> has joined #haiku[03:39:12] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-xfgtniqlmvzvjzit> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:51:39] *** Nothing_Much <Nothing_Much!~nothing_m@unaffiliated/nothing-much/x-2931824> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:59:57] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: jprostko * hrev50392 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=849e97e4af29+%5E572e24456405[03:59:58] <HAIKU-irker848> 849e97e4af29: Update Fossil packages for x86_gcc2, x86, and x86_64.[04:03:27] <CandidC> Hey so who's responsible for the Qt ports?[04:04:57] *** AlienSoldier <AlienSoldier!vision@192.95.207.222> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:09:31] *** Negr0 <Negr0!~NegrO@2a02:908:df59:d200:16da:e9ff:fe69:b4f1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:28:03] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-31-1-72-222.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:31:15] *** vdamewood <vdamewood!~vdamewood@unaffiliated/vdamewood> has joined #haiku[04:37:48] *** stippi1 <stippi1!~Thunderbi@x55b52c58.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[04:37:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi1[04:39:46] *** stippi <stippi!~Thunderbi@x4db48ebc.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:39:46] *** stippi1 is now known as stippi[04:40:04] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-169-33-243.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[04:42:55] *** dlesage <dlesage!dlesage@nat/redhat/x-hroaszhbypdcxgca> has joined #haiku[05:03:06] *** mmu_man <mmu_man!~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[05:17:06] *** drawkula <drawkula!~username@p4FC10FE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[05:20:26] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev50393 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b8c95f43e2cd+%5E849e97e4af29[05:20:27] <HAIKU-irker848> b8c95f43e2cd: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:24:01] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a44b.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:25:04] *** stargater <stargater!~stargater@x4e35a60c.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[06:21:49] *** FreeFull <FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[06:58:25] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson synchronize pull request #628: gnutls: bump to 3.4.13 + 3.5.1, add TEST(), change pkg layout. (WIP) - https://git.io/votkQ[07:12:56] *** drawkula <drawkula!~username@p4FC10FE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #haiku[07:30:49] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ruvbbpkvvlgycyuq> has joined #haiku[08:09:32] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #628: gnutls: bump to 3.4.14 + 3.5.2, add TEST(), change pkg layout. (WIP) - https://git.io/votkQ[08:09:40] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson edited pull request #628: gnutls: bump to 3.4.14 + 3.5.2, add TEST(), change pkg layout. 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Have You ever seen the postman movie?[20:09:35] <postmen> no. sorry. is it all about sex? - what i've seen is the transporter. ^^[20:10:12] <postmen> miqlas-H, ever listened to maxim?[20:10:32] <miqlas-H> it is a post-apocalyptic movie about the US Post.[20:10:40] <miqlas-H> nope[20:11:02] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c83-249-132-101.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #haiku[20:11:16] <Barrett> this is better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_Postino:_The_Postman : p[20:13:14] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36a51e.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #haiku[20:13:45] <postmen> miqlas-H: u should: http://www1.wdr.de/radio/1live/musik/1live-sessions/video-maxim---formidable-100.html[20:14:12] <postmen> hi barrett, nice to see u - a was goin' to ask u somethin', i can't remember anymore. ^^[20:17:57] <Barrett> hi postmen[20:24:01] <Lelldorin1> evening[20:25:12] <Barrett> hi Lelldorin1[20:25:17] <Barrett> Vidrep is silent today?[20:26:07] <Vidrep> Busy at work[20:27:41] <Vidrep> Barrett, how's the work going? Will your contract get extended?[20:28:00] <Barrett> I didn't ask this explicitly[20:28:23] <Barrett> but maybe I should[20:32:53] *** Lelldorin1 <Lelldorin1!~lelldorin@x4e36a51e.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[20:33:49] <Vidrep> I made another $100USD donation the other day. Who determines where it goes?[20:34:37] <Vidrep> I recall a couple of other people donating towards UltraDV[20:37:13] <Barrett> the situation is that Haiku Inc. doesn't accepts donations toward a certain project, as this was in past cause of troubles[20:37:20] <Vidrep> Maybe kvdman was right about bounties (targeted donations).[20:37:25] <postmen> miqlas-H, by the way, i did it. ;)[20:37:55] <Barrett> no one donated directly to Haiku Inc. for UltraDV, we discussed it privately and the donor accepted to wait until I will really begin to work on that[20:38:25] <Barrett> if I was in you I'd mention it somewhere, but that would be just symbolic/supporting[20:39:47] <Vidrep> I'm aware of the discussions (debates) about bounties. I'd rather not argue the pros cons. Just my opinion.[20:52:31] <postmen> Barrett, do u have any idea what getopts.pl is good for?[21:05:14] <Barrett> Vidrep, I think generally it's OK that donations aren't refundable[21:05:39] <Barrett> if someone want to fund some developer it's maybe better to ask directly to him[21:05:52] <Barrett> in Italy, donations aren't refundable by law for example[21:05:56] <Vidrep> I would never ask for a refund[21:06:28] <Barrett> postmen, perl version of c getopts?[21:10:45] *** Barrett <Barrett!~barrett@unaffiliated/barrett> has quit IRC (Quit: Barrett)[21:14:07] <miqlas-H> bye guys![21:14:12] *** miqlas-H <miqlas-H!~vision@46.165.208.71> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-20140108]: i've been blurred!)[21:15:00] *** Barrett <Barrett!~da@unaffiliated/barrett> has joined #haiku[21:15:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Barrett[21:15:18] <Vidrep> Whatever donations I have made are done with the clear understanding that the funds may be used for development, infastructure, or administration.[21:16:46] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-107-20-82-81.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:17:01] *** soakbot <soakbot!~soakbot@ec2-23-22-136-25.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined #haiku[21:17:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[21:30:05] <Vidrep> Barrett, is there a plan to be able to open a stream with MediaPlayer without the need to copy/paste the URL?[21:30:34] <Vidrep> I know that what we have now is just a first step[21:41:30] <postmen> well, to fund directly to a single project doesn't make sence in my opinion. great would be to be able to vote, if u donated.[21:45:10] *** stpere <stpere!~stpere@c75.152.29-35.clta.globetrotter.net> has joined #haiku[21:50:39] <Barrett> Vidrep, what do you mean exactly commandline?[21:51:13] <Vidrep> postmen, there was a lot of debate in the past about bounties. Each side made valid arguements.[21:51:57] <Vidrep> Commandline? I didn't say anything :/[21:53:35] <Vidrep> What I was referring to was the option in MediaPlayer to open a stream by pasting a URL[21:54:29] <postmen> Vidrep, i think i can imagine. but if u can donate directly to a topic singular, than that could end up 20 bucks here and 10 bucks there. with no project havin' enough money to get pushed to a release point.[21:55:05] <Vidrep> Eventually, will it be possible to click on a URL and have MediaPlayer launch to play?[22:02:20] <Vidrep> postmen, as a Haiku stands today, that's exactly what would happen, unfortunately.[22:03:53] <postmen> so, what do u suggest?[22:04:54] <Vidrep> Bribery :p[22:05:55] <postmen> ^^[22:06:04] <postmen> had to look up that word.[22:06:21] <Vidrep> Most of the core devs lack time to work on this project. No amount of money can change that[22:07:55] <postmen> ok, that was my question, more money or more coders.[22:09:09] <Vidrep> If we want progress today, the way to do it is to extend Barrett's current contract so he can finish what he started on MediaKit.[22:09:41] <Vidrep> Otherwise, the contract will expire and haiku will be left with something half finished[22:09:43] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:14:07] <Vidrep> postmen, exactly - more coders are needed. The problem is that the GSOC and GCI students we hoped would stay and code for Haiku don't see any future working on this project[22:16:49] *** Nach0z_ <Nach0z_!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[22:17:17] *** Nach0z_ <Nach0z_!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:21:26] <Barrett> Vidrep, pasting an URL in the main interface?[22:22:10] <Barrett> I think the open url window should look at the clipboard and if it has an URL it should be already pasted[22:22:30] <Barrett> that's not hard to do anyway[22:23:12] <Vidrep> That's how we do it now - paste the URL into the field to open the stream[22:24:12] <Vidrep> What I'm asking is maybe (one day) have the ability to click on a URL within a browser to launch MP and play the stream[22:25:23] <Vidrep> I don't think this is something we need now. First, we need to get the current system working with a variety of streams, right?[22:27:17] <Barrett> Vidrep, ideally those streams should be opened in the browser directly[22:27:54] <Barrett> if PulkoMandy will not do it, I may do it in future or if the contract continues[22:28:11] <Vidrep> Sure. But currently it is similar to how we used to play YouTube videos[22:28:25] <Barrett> because it's using some custom code[22:28:45] <Vidrep> Today, we can play directly in Web+. Before, we needed an app like UberTuber[22:28:55] <Barrett> my code support seeking on downloaded data, and has the basis to support seeking based on new requests[22:29:07] <Barrett> I didn't add that part to the http_streamer because it's early[22:29:28] <Barrett> but replacing the custom code in web+ would be the ideal way to finish that part[22:31:18] *** ii-v1 <ii-v1!~Thunderbi@h161n2-vb-v-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com> has joined #haiku[22:33:51] <Barrett> Vidrep, I'm not sure we really need to open streams outside the browser[22:34:03] <Barrett> the auto fetching from clipboard would be enough IMHO[22:34:24] <Vidrep> It's very early. I just wanted your thoughts to see where you might go with it.[22:35:14] <Barrett> maybe we could do it with things the browser isn't supposed to support such as m3u[22:35:30] <Barrett> but in that case the browser could just open it after download[22:36:56] *** Nach0z <Nach0z!~nach0z@unaffiliated/nach0z> has joined #haiku[22:37:41] <Vidrep> Barrett, how is subtitle support coming along?[22:40:01] <Barrett> design phase[22:40:10] <Barrett> and not a lot of time spent really[22:40:49] <Barrett> there's a lot of code to dig around and decide how to add it[22:41:09] <Barrett> involves both parts of media_kit untouched since R5 and plugins[22:43:02] <Vidrep> Maybe it would be best to finish implementing streaming - get it all working optimally. Then move on to the next task.[22:48:12] <Vidrep> Right now, your MediaKit work is about the only thing keeping me interested in Haiku.[22:49:42] *** kushalsingh007 <kushalsingh007!Kushal@nat/iiit/x-ruvbbpkvvlgycyuq> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[22:56:14] <Barrett> Vidrep, it's not bad to get away from things for a bit[22:56:32] <Barrett> doing the same thing every day is boring, anyway I'm doing a few fixes in mediaplayer[22:59:00] <Vidrep> Boring? I've been doing the same kind of work for 10 years - you're not telling me anything I don't already know.[22:59:25] <Vidrep> I want to do something different too.[23:00:32] *** axeld <axeld!~Thunderbi@dyndsl-092-252-109-147.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Quit: axeld)[23:00:33] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-46-169-33-243.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:01:01] <Vidrep> I'm just hoping we don't end up with a bunch of half-baked implementations that nobody else will pick up on after you're done.[23:06:11] *** HaikuUser <HaikuUser!~vision@c83-249-132-101.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!)[23:15:19] *** DKnoto <DKnoto!~DKnoto@apn-5-60-115-86.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has joined #haiku[23:16:26] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:55] *** Ptrus <Ptrus!vision@68.118.40.186> has joined #haiku[23:16:55] <Barrett> Vidrep, the streaming code isn't an half backend implementation[23:17:28] <Vidrep> I'm not saying it is.[23:17:40] <Barrett> there are certainly bugs[23:18:19] <Barrett> and anyway once I know the code since I've done it, I'll surely continue to maintain it in my volounteer time[23:18:38] <Vidrep> I'm just hoping that your're given the chance to complete it[23:18:48] <Vidrep> you're[23:20:43] <Barrett> we have to just ask :-)[23:21:48] <postmen> well, my prof said the other day that sometimes it's good to pass your code to someone else.[23:22:11] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2.123.34.38> has joined #haiku[23:23:09] <Barrett> postmen, no luck to do it right now[23:24:40] <Barrett> and in any case I don't want to do it :-)[23:24:52] <Vidrep> Barrett, "I'll surely continue to maintain it in my volounteer time". This is the point I was trying to make[23:27:10] <Vidrep> If you are not able to finish it, it will be "half-baked". Possibly nobody else will pick up where you left off for a long time, if ever[23:28:09] <Vidrep> I wasn't suggesting that your ideas are crazy or something ;)[23:30:47] *** Auroz <Auroz!~Auroz@unaffiliated/cheeselord99> has quit IRC (Quit: Byebye)[23:31:08] <Barrett> the general point I see in looking for subtitles is that I can finally get to work near ffmpeg[23:31:16] <Barrett> as in the end I've to implement that part too[23:31:46] <Barrett> so I might be able in future to fix some bug there, fix encoding support[23:32:28] <Barrett> Vidrep, anyway you can ask kallisti5 he is the boss lol[23:33:30] <Vidrep> kallisti5 doesn't talk to me anymore[23:35:19] <Vidrep> Maybe he will if I come through with those beer I promised[23:39:14] *** Carl_Miller <Carl_Miller!~Carl_Mill@unaffiliated/carl-miller/x-4159925> has quit IRC (Quit: “Out of the chaos, they will run and whimper, praying for me to end their tedious anarchy. I am drunk with this vision. God: the title suits Me well.” —SHODAN, System Shock)[23:39:15] <HAIKU-irker848> haiku.master: barrett * hrev50394 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7a137e0f0cca+%5Eb8c95f43e2cd[23:39:16] <HAIKU-irker848> 7e77623befc5: MediaPlayer: Remove unneeded MediaRoster locking.[23:39:17] <HAIKU-irker848> 2c19bcfa1c07: MediaPlayer: Sanitize supplier/mediaFile management[23:39:18] <HAIKU-irker848> 7a137e0f0cca: Remove live555_x86 source package[23:40:19] *** jjido <jjido!~jjido@2.123.34.38> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:42:45] *** Mawi <Mawi!~hato@546A4E77.cm-12-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:48:38] <kallisti5> Barrett: boss? Not really... no-one listens to me[23:50:54] <Not-c51b> [haikuports] fbrosson opened pull request #677: libxcb: fix 2nd arch, create _devel (split), drop libtool files. 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