April 27, 2015 
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April 27, 2015 [00:18:45] *** kcj has joined #haiku[00:24:30] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:27:48] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[00:32:02] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[00:32:02] *** HaikuUser is now known as _Dario[00:39:13] *** pemdp has quit IRC[00:54:05] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[01:00:24] *** simpbrain has quit IRC[01:04:43] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:16:01] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[01:26:27] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[01:27:25] *** Thunderblade has joined #haiku[01:34:33] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[01:34:47] *** Thunderblade is now known as kushalsingh007[01:40:36] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[01:52:55] *** _Dario has quit IRC[02:18:21] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev49120 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0cec9e768094+%5E2f8648484205[02:18:21] <HAIKU-irker005> b4df8f6f936e: Tracker: Remove [I]Find* functions from TrackerString.[02:18:22] <HAIKU-irker005> e5ab3b0900a9: Tracker: move deprecated cruft to FBCPadding.cpp.[02:18:23] <HAIKU-irker005> 0cec9e768094: PackageInstaller: use string_for_size instead of a custom function.[02:21:53] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:31:56] *** oblo has quit IRC[03:05:18] *** _marc` has quit IRC[03:06:48] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:08:30] *** oco2 has quit IRC[03:16:27] *** bitkid_ has joined #haiku[03:17:58] *** redblue has quit IRC[03:19:14] *** bitkid has quit IRC[03:19:46] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[03:20:14] *** jessicah has quit IRC[03:20:15] *** KolibriOS|yogev has quit IRC[03:22:00] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:22:00] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[03:22:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah[03:22:28] *** shroud has quit IRC[03:22:59] *** KolibriOS|yogev has joined #haiku[03:23:17] *** yetatore has joined #haiku[03:25:13] <yetatore> hello[03:28:30] *** yetatore has quit IRC[03:28:43] *** shroud has joined #haiku[03:29:06] *** shroud is now known as Guest96316[03:40:21] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[03:40:27] *** waddlesplash 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IRC[13:47:45] *** oblo has joined #haiku[14:14:51] *** daneudenberg has joined #haiku[14:15:51] *** daneudenberg is now known as Dane[14:17:53] <Dane> So, are BeBits and Haikuware both gone for good?[14:19:39] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:25:59] <Dane> If so, are there any discussions on setting up a replacement for them?[14:26:17] <Dane> (or does anybody have a backup of the files?)[14:30:01] <GeneralDuke> Yea, good question/ I`m wating, waiting... and nothing is coming online[14:30:16] <FreeFull> Dane: BeBits can be accessed on archive.org[14:30:58] <Dane> FreeFull: Somebody needs to download that whole archive and get it up in a new server somewhere.[14:31:36] *** Akuji has quit IRC[14:31:39] <FreeFull> Oh, no[14:31:56] <FreeFull> bebits is gone from archive.org now, because of the current robots.txt[14:32:03] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[14:32:16] <Dane> Well that's it then.[14:32:23] <FreeFull> http://bebits.com/robots.txt Yup[14:32:28] <Dane> What a spiteful thing to do.[14:32:31] <FreeFull> Someone didn't want it to be up[14:32:38] <FreeFull> That sucks[14:33:26] <Dane> It looks like they got together on it and decided to make sure the files couldn't be accessed.[14:33:30] <Dane> That's almost like theft.[14:33:46] <Dane> The programmers trusted those guys with their stuff.[14:36:05] *** itPuffinB has joined #haiku[14:36:17] *** Akuji has quit IRC[14:37:56] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[14:39:18] *** oblo has quit IRC[14:40:42] *** itPuffinB has quit IRC[14:53:53] *** DKnoto_W has quit IRC[15:00:44] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[15:04:53] <schily> hi[15:05:15] <schily> there seems to be a bug in mktime() for times < 1970[15:07:32] <schily> I get an off 1 second error[15:09:00] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[15:14:13] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:15:37] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[15:15:58] *** TheLemonMan has joined #haiku[15:22:17] *** itPuffinB has joined #haiku[15:28:56] *** stippi has joined #haiku[15:28:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:34:34] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[15:43:29] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[15:44:04] *** Drakevr has quit IRC[15:44:52] *** Drakevr has joined #haiku[15:48:03] <waddlesplash> Dane: FreeFull: GeneralDuke: I have a backup of BeBits here, but due to bandwith and other issues it may be a long time before it appears anywhere[15:48:16] <waddlesplash> However, if you know of something specific, I can probably give you that[15:48:27] <waddlesplash> schily: Please file a bug report then :)[15:49:45] <schily> where?[15:50:55] <waddlesplash> schily: Oh, are you running on the alpha build?[15:51:18] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: Why was it taken off archive.org?[15:51:33] <waddlesplash> schily: If so, please retest on a nightly build.[15:51:37] <FreeFull> What exactly happened?[15:51:54] <schily> BTW: it seems a bit strange as I get 1969 01 01 00:00:01 instead of 00:00:00, but it I try to convert a struct tm with seconds == 0, I get -31535999 instead of -35136000[15:51:54] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: Because Archive.org is legally obligated to not show any backups it has if the authors request it not to.[15:52:11] <schily> I am runing the version from april 22[15:52:16] <waddlesplash> Ah, okay.[15:52:25] <waddlesplash> I don't know much about mktime, so file a bug about it[15:52:28] <waddlesplash> Link is in channel topic.[15:52:43] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: Yeah, but what happened to the site's ownership?[15:52:53] <schily> the problem occurs with the SCCS compliance tests that try to check the whole POSIX time range from 1969 ... 2068[15:52:55] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: So the IA still has all the backups, but they can't show them with the current robots.txt[15:53:15] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: That being said, if the robots.txt were to change (or be deleted altogether) you will be able to access the backups again.[15:53:21] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: Karl still has it.[15:53:36] <FreeFull> I'm not sure why he wanted it not to be on IA[15:53:40] <FreeFull> In that case[15:54:17] <Carl_Miller> Hi all[15:54:34] <schily> There is another problem caused by the fact that it is not possible to run commands as any user but root[15:54:49] <schily> this is because /bin/ has 0500[15:55:19] <schily> and theva_copy() macro has disappeared since 2009[15:55:25] <schily> and the va_copy() macro has disappeared since 2009[15:56:43] <waddlesplash> FreeFull: I recieved an email from him the same day the website went down. Let's just say ... it explains a lot.[15:57:25] <waddlesplash> schily: First one sounds like another bug. Second one, use __va_copy instead of va_copy[15:57:52] <schily> So you are ignoring POSIX? vy_copy is in posix since a while[15:58:05] <waddlesplash> No. That[15:58:12] <schily> ???[15:58:18] <waddlesplash> 's a GCC2 thing. GCC < 3 has __va_copy instead of va_copy[15:58:23] <waddlesplash> so if you use GCC4 you can use va_copy[15:58:38] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: Ok[15:58:47] <schily> but I have autoconf results from 2009 where autoconf found va_copy()[15:58:53] <schily> what happened since then?[15:58:54] <FreeFull> waddlesplash: I'll leave my inquiries at that then[15:59:00] <Carl_Miller> :<[15:59:14] <waddlesplash> schily: All the autoconf scripts I see have a check for GCC < 3. So the autoconf script must've changed.[16:00:02] <schily> I am not using those dump scripts from FSF I have my own autoconf derived from the last non-broken which is 2.13[16:00:30] <schily> I am testing features as people expect ;-)[16:01:08] <schily> did you include gcc4 in 2009?[16:01:21] <schily> did it exist then already?[16:01:41] <waddlesplash> I don't recall, but I believe so[16:02:02] <waddlesplash> The mechanism for switching to GCC4 has changed, however. It used to be "setgcc gcc4" but it's now "setarch x86"[16:02:16] <waddlesplash> This is because it now changes the PATH instead of the filesystem.[16:07:04] <Dane> waddlesplash: priv[16:07:54] <schily> If you like to check the time problem, I recommend you to fetch the latest schilytools from:[16:08:03] <schily> https://sourceforge.net/projects/schilytools/files/[16:08:59] <schily> they still complain about the root problem (as test -w file does not help if you are root) but you could do the following:[16:09:25] <schily> 1) call gmake, this creates a bootstrap smake and then calls this[16:09:38] <schily> 2) chdir sccs/tests[16:09:52] <schily> 3) call smake -1[16:09:55] <schily> 3) call smake -i[16:10:08] <schily> then you wil see the time stamp problems[16:10:36] <schily> BTW: since last week, this contains a working Bourne Shell for Haiku[16:13:11] <mmu_man> plop[16:13:14] <mmu_man> hey schily :)[16:13:25] *** stippi has quit IRC[16:13:50] *** beagles is now known as beagles_brb[16:14:03] <schily> hi, should I know you?[16:14:12] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[16:14:29] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[16:14:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[16:15:47] *** oblo has joined #haiku[16:18:29] *** hagen has quit IRC[16:19:28] *** DingoSaar has joined #haiku[16:20:14] <mmu_man> schily: probably from the same place some years ago[16:20:31] <mmu_man> but I probably recall you more than you do :)[16:21:33] *** Guma has joined #haiku[16:27:21] <schily> ok[16:28:27] *** Akuji has quit IRC[16:29:03] <bbjimmy> Recentlu setarch doesn't work as expected, it changes the compiler, but not the path to libraries, one has to manually change these to the x86 subdirectory in your makefuile to get the compiler to find them.[16:29:11] <bbjimmy> *recently[16:30:07] <bbjimmy> makefiles that used to work after a setarch x86 command no longer do.[16:31:15] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[16:38:31] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[16:38:56] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[16:42:02] *** Guma has quit IRC[16:50:53] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[16:55:03] *** TheLemonMan has quit IRC[16:56:46] <mmu_man> simplest is to use $(shell findpaths ...)[17:01:59] *** beagles_brb is now known as beagles[17:02:06] <mmu_man> findpaths -c' ' -a `getarch` B_FIND_PATH_DEVELOP_LIB_DIRECTORY[17:02:15] <mmu_man> (default separator is \n)[17:02:36] <mmu_man> same with B_FIND_PATH_HEADERS_DIRECTORY[17:04:42] *** worfox has joined #haiku[17:08:32] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev49121 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a87bc4a8fdab+%5E0cec9e768094[17:08:34] <HAIKU-irker005> a87bc4a8fdab: coreutils: delete everything except su's dependencies.[17:13:17] *** Guma has joined #haiku[17:17:11] <mmu_man> schily: ^[17:17:48] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1673 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/1673 blamelist: Augustin Cavalier <waddlesplash at gmail dot com>[17:20:22] *** Max-Might has joined #haiku[17:21:20] *** Akuji has quit IRC[17:21:34] <mmu_man> !notme[17:21:34] <epigraph> mmu_man: I know it's not your fault. That's life.[17:24:11] *** irishsultan has quit IRC[17:37:10] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[17:55:33] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:55:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[17:55:58] *** cebulon has joined #haiku[17:55:59] *** _cebulon has joined #haiku[17:58:43] *** Guma has quit IRC[17:59:32] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:00:09] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[18:00:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[18:02:04] <bbjimmy> findpaths -a `getarch` B_FIND_PATH_LIB_DIRECTORY finds the wrong library directories[18:02:44] <bbjimmy> /boot/home/config/non-packaged/lib[18:02:45] <bbjimmy> /boot/home/config/lib[18:02:46] <bbjimmy> /boot/system/non-packaged/lib[18:02:46] <bbjimmy> /boot/system/lib[18:03:06] <bbjimmy> they each should have /x86 on the ned[18:03:15] <bbjimmy> *end[18:03:45] <bbjimmy> I setarch x86[18:04:00] <bbjimmy> if I just type getarch i get x86[18:05:25] <bbjimmy> findpaths -a x86 B_FIND_PATH_LIB_DIRECTORY returns the same thing[18:06:39] <bbjimmy> findpaths -c' ' -a `getarch` B_FIND_PATH_DEVELOP_LIB_DIRECTORY works as expected[18:08:04] <bbjimmy> B_FIND_PATH_LIB_DIRECTORY is broken[18:09:51] <bbjimmy> findpaths -a x86 B_FIND_PATH_DEVELOP_LIB_DIRECTORY[18:09:51] <bbjimmy> /boot/home/config/non-packaged/develop/lib/x86[18:09:52] <bbjimmy> /boot/home/config/develop/lib/x86[18:09:52] <bbjimmy> /boot/system/non-packaged/develop/lib/x86[18:09:53] <bbjimmy> /boot/system/develop/lib/x86[18:15:07] <waddlesplash> mmu_man: if you could make epigraph auto-identify then I could give it +Vv[18:15:32] <waddlesplash> (and if you auto-identify I can give you +Oo)[18:17:02] *** _cebulon has quit IRC[18:17:02] *** cebulon has quit IRC[18:19:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bslsk05[18:21:54] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[18:22:29] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[18:22:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[18:22:45] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:22:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[18:23:56] <bbjimmy> mmu_man $(shell findpaths ...) doesn't work[18:24:45] <bbjimmy> hrev 489082[18:26:54] <humdinger> bbjimmy: I think I have the (very simple) fix.[18:26:55] <humdinger> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/12028[18:27:17] *** hagen has joined #haiku[18:28:27] <bbjimmy> I was just searching for the code to see what was wrong.[18:29:10] *** DingoSaar has quit IRC[18:29:15] *** hagen has quit IRC[18:29:39] *** DingoSaar has joined #haiku[18:32:14] <bbjimmy> Since I am no longer building my own haiku, I will have to wait for the patch to be implimented and built to test my makefile.[18:32:54] <humdinger> yes. I haven't built an image for ages since the system updates are in place. :)[18:33:48] *** oblo has quit IRC[18:37:48] *** danboid has joined #haiku[18:38:38] <danboid> Should I get email notifications when people comment on tickets I've posted on the bug tracker? I don't[18:39:47] <luroh> danboid: you should, but it's not just you, something is likely b0rked somewhere[18:39:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:39:54] <luroh> i've noticed the same[18:39:55] *** itPuffinB has quit IRC[18:40:35] <mmu_man> bbjimmy: findpaths -a `getarch` ...[18:40:43] <danboid> luroh: Ah OK. I thought it was a bit suspicious[18:40:46] <mmu_man> worked here[18:42:20] <luroh> danboid: feel free to log a ticket (component: Website - Trac)[18:42:32] <danboid> luroh: Will do[18:44:08] <danboid> Has anyone got JScipione's email?[18:46:10] <luroh> danboid: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=author&q=jscipione[18:46:33] <PulkoMandy> it seems our server has mailing problems in general[18:46:53] <PulkoMandy> main website notification for new forum topics and the like are sent with a day of delay or so[18:48:39] <danboid> luroh: Hmm. I'm not seeing his contact details there - just his commit log[18:49:03] <luroh> right, just click on an entry[18:49:34] <luroh> commit logs are good places to check for valid email addresses[18:50:03] <danboid> luroh: Oh right - thanks![18:50:09] <luroh> :)[18:54:51] *** simpbrain has joined #haiku[19:01:04] *** danboid has quit IRC[19:01:45] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:01:49] <waddlesplash> Dane: Please don't send any email to developers asking for features[19:01:51] <waddlesplash> whoops[19:01:58] <waddlesplash> sorry Dane , meant danboid,[19:10:30] *** epigraph has quit IRC[19:23:19] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[19:38:34] *** jstressman has quit IRC[19:45:27] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev49122 [3 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3884aaf0c79e+%5Ea87bc4a8fdab[19:45:28] <HAIKU-irker005> 546c7148fc32: InstalledPackages: fix the build.[19:45:29] <HAIKU-irker005> ac18a1b54c88: PackageInstaller: print strerror upon failure.[19:45:30] <HAIKU-irker005> 3884aaf0c79e: PackageInstaller: when zlib fails, print the error message.[19:46:51] *** atx has joined #haiku[19:50:44] <luroh> waddlesplash: indeed, that zip file won't extract here on my linux machine either[19:54:23] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[19:55:16] <waddlesplash> luroh: oh, .pkg files are really .zips?[19:55:20] * waddlesplash never noticed that before[19:55:39] <waddlesplash> well, good to know, that'll help in the future[19:55:43] <waddlesplash> and thanks for confirming :)[19:56:00] <luroh> well, the file name was .pkg.zip[19:57:40] *** humdinger has quit IRC[19:58:07] <luroh> i can open it in my archive manager and see the file inside even[19:58:47] <waddlesplash> oh[19:58:58] <waddlesplash> well "unzip" extracted it OK, the .pkg file was corrupt apparently[19:59:04] <luroh> exctracting it however generates an error[19:59:04] <luroh> yes[19:59:08] <waddlesplash> ah[19:59:15] <waddlesplash> apparently Expander doesn't check returncode[19:59:17] <luroh> oh sorry, i meant no :P[19:59:22] <luroh> the zip is corrupt[19:59:36] <waddlesplash> well, there's a TODO right there[19:59:39] <jessicah> schily: there's already a ticket about the mktime issue[20:00:06] <luroh> $ unzip fuse.pkg.zip[20:00:11] <luroh> Archive: fuse.pkg.zip[20:00:13] <jessicah> I came across it too when running the boost regression test store[20:00:19] <luroh> inflating: Fuse_0.7.0_BeOS.pkg bad CRC 8bd9dcf5 (should be 5b247fa3)[20:00:19] <jessicah> suite[20:01:49] <jessicah> schily: out of curiosity, what is your timezone?[20:06:59] *** oblo has joined #haiku[20:09:36] <waddlesplash> luroh: can you please try to extract that archive using the unzip CLI and then "echo $?"[20:09:53] <luroh> in linux?[20:10:17] <waddlesplash> Either Linux or Haiku, doesn't matter.[20:10:22] <luroh> ok[20:10:37] *** atx has quit IRC[20:11:22] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[20:14:17] <luroh> waddlesplash: would this be enough? https://paste.debian.net/169384/[20:14:27] <luroh> echo $? returns: 2[20:14:39] <waddlesplash> yes it would, thnx[20:17:11] *** atx has joined #haiku[20:18:06] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1674 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/1674[20:21:48] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[20:25:56] *** Akuji has quit IRC[20:29:26] *** rNyhus has quit IRC[20:35:30] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[20:37:21] *** simpbrain has quit IRC[20:41:31] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[20:46:49] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[20:46:57] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[20:46:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[20:47:46] *** darfo has left #haiku[20:52:35] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:01:40] *** NoXzema has joined #haiku[21:02:08] *** computerquip has quit IRC[21:03:10] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:05:10] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[21:05:16] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[21:05:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[21:07:11] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: wait, there is a bug in mktime? that could explain why cookie storage isn't working in Web+…[21:09:34] <jessicah> it's an off by 1-second bug in select cases[21:11:06] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/8914[21:12:38] <jessicah> waddlesplash: what is LGTM supposed to even mean?[21:12:44] <jessicah> people and their obscure acronyms[21:12:46] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: would be nice to have this as an unit test in the sources?[21:12:52] <PulkoMandy> jessicah: "Looks Good To Me"[21:13:17] <jessicah> ugh[21:13:21] <jessicah> stupid acronyms[21:14:27] <luroh> hey, he saved some ITP electrons[21:14:38] <luroh> (innocent third party)[21:26:45] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev49123 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=306dc528b6f3+%5E3884aaf0c79e[21:26:47] <HAIKU-irker005> 306dc528b6f3: Add package for hub, use github from command line.[21:35:25] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:35:28] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[21:39:06] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:40:06] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[21:42:02] *** Luko has joined #haiku[21:47:02] *** Luko has quit IRC[21:47:39] *** m4tx has joined #haiku[21:47:39] *** m4tx has joined #haiku[21:48:39] *** Carl_Miller has quit IRC[21:48:40] *** Carl| has joined #haiku[21:49:32] *** Carl| is now known as Carl_Miller[21:49:37] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[21:57:00] *** Luko has joined #haiku[22:09:54] *** Luko has quit IRC[22:18:25] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[22:19:10] *** simpbrain has joined #haiku[22:19:46] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:20:43] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[22:24:17] *** soakbot has quit IRC[22:24:31] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[22:24:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[22:30:39] *** orealis has quit IRC[22:30:41] *** Max-Might has quit IRC[22:31:25] *** orealis has joined #haiku[22:31:43] *** simpbrai1 has joined #haiku[22:31:58] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[22:32:34] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[22:32:39] *** [Beta] is now known as johndrinkwater[22:34:59] *** simpbrain has quit IRC[22:57:36] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:04:54] *** danboid has joined #haiku[23:05:48] <danboid> I've been told I can't just compile a Haiku driver / daemon /module whatever you call it on its own, I have to do a full Haiku build first[23:06:21] <danboid> This page https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs[23:06:52] <danboid> says that a nightly should have all the build tools installed that are required t build Haiku][23:07:49] <danboid> So if I'm running a recent nightly and thats what I want to build Haiku git under, do I not need to check out and build the build tools on https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/get-source-git[23:08:02] <danboid> ?[23:08:37] <danboid> If I do need to build those build tools first, how do I do that?[23:08:54] <danboid> Is it simply "configure;make"?[23:09:44] <danboid> I can't see any instructions for building the build tools, under Haiku or otherwise, here https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building[23:10:42] <danboid> or an I actually not bother with any of that and just build my driver?[23:11:20] <danboid> *Do I not have to bother with any...[23:11:23] *** Sqt has quit IRC[23:12:20] *** AlexStraunoff has joined #haiku[23:12:41] <danboid> I've already tried configuring and jam'ing and hybrid image build and it complained loads of stuff was missing etc[23:12:58] <danboid> Prob because I need to build the build tools?[23:13:28] <danboid> This is not clear from the current docs[23:14:26] *** AlexStraunoff is now known as Sqr[23:14:27] *** Sqr is now known as Sqt[23:16:44] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:17:15] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:17:19] <danboid> Do you only need to build the build tools if your building Haiku on a non-Haiku OS?[23:17:38] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:20:16] *** atx has quit IRC[23:20:32] <danboid> No Haiku devs present?[23:21:41] <mmu_man> plop[23:21:48] <danboid> mmu_man, Hi![23:22:14] <mmu_man> danboid: yes, if you want to build on Haiku you just need to have the dev packages installed[23:22:25] <mmu_man> unless you want to target another arch[23:22:31] <mmu_man> like x86_64 or ARM[23:22:57] <danboid> mmu_man, Does a nightly anyboot have these dev packages installed?[23:23:15] <danboid> I know it comes with 2 GCCs as standard[23:23:16] <mmu_man> no but you just need to find them in HaikuDepot[23:23:30] <danboid> Aha![23:25:08] <mmu_man> configure will complain anyway if it doesn't find what it needs[23:25:18] <danboid> mmu_man, All I can see within the docs is the requirements to build the build tools but no instructions on what to do after getting thee prerequisites and checkingg the code out[23:25:38] <danboid> mmu_man, Will "configure;make/jam" or whatever do it?[23:25:57] <mmu_man> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/configure[23:25:57] <danboid> https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/pre-reqs[23:26:09] <mmu_man> explains all the configure args[23:28:44] <danboid> mmu_man, It sounds like I'll be able to get away with just a plain 'configure' in my case. I just want to compile a regular, bare-bones Haiku GCC2H under Haiku GCC2 x86[23:29:09] <danboid> mmu_man, Do I guess right?[23:29:58] <danboid> No frills, gimme mah fookn driver mode ;)[23:31:22] <danboid> If there are any configure options you recommend I change, please shout now before I have to reboot[23:32:22] *** simpbrai1 has quit IRC[23:33:00] <danboid> The configure options on https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/configure - these apply to both the build tools and Haiku itself?[23:33:46] *** Malmis has joined #haiku[23:35:28] *** danboid has quit IRC[23:40:22] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[23:40:52] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:44:08] *** waddlesplash changes topic to "An open-source operating system that specifically targets personal computing. | https://haiku-os.org | R1alpha4: https://haiku-os.org/get-haiku | Nightlies: https://download.haiku-os.org | Bugtracker: https://dev.haiku-os.org | SCM: https://cgit.haiku-os.org/ | Channel logs: http://echelog.com/?haiku | Patience is a virtue. You can wait 20 minutes."[23:44:26] <waddlesplash> seems more relevant advice message than "Don't ask to ask" ;)[23:44:32] <waddlesplash> *like a more[23:44:52] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[23:44:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[23:45:10] <mmu_man> eh[23:49:31] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[23:52:31] *** jjido has joined #haiku