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[02:31:16] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev49100 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a2ddc1c06e44+%5E8361c0f11a24
[02:31:17] <HAIKU-irker005>     a2ddc1c06e44: Fix CompileDTS rule to locate the device tree blob properly
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[06:03:13] <ex-parrot> jessicah_: did you feel the quake up there?
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[06:03:26] <jessicah> ex-parrot: it was barely noticable
[06:03:40] <ex-parrot> interesting
[06:04:08] <jessicah> where are you?
[06:04:19] <jessicah> I wonder if geonet works with netsurf...
[06:04:20] <jessicah> heh
[06:05:14] <ex-parrot> wellington
[06:05:29] <jessicah> "you must have javascript enabled"
[06:05:40] <jessicah> ah; how did it feel down there then?
[06:05:40] <ex-parrot> just bookmark http://images.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/latest/national-seismic-trace.png
[06:05:44] <ex-parrot> :P
[06:08:35] <MattLacey> more quakes in NZ?
[06:08:38] <MattLacey> not big ones I hope?
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[06:11:48] <jessicah> not to me
[06:11:58] <jessicah> probably only small
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[06:17:17] <jessicah> MattLacey: I could barely discern it, was that small :p
[06:35:35] <ex-parrot> it was a 6.3 I think
[06:35:38] <ex-parrot> but closer to nelson
[06:36:44] <jessicah> ugh, what have I done to make the app_server quit at boot??
[06:37:52] <ex-parrot> nasty
[06:39:44] <MattLacey> 6.3 on the new scale?
[06:39:46] <MattLacey> :(
[06:39:54] <MattLacey> I've not even booted Haiku in months :(
[06:40:13] <ex-parrot> MattLacey: http://geonet.co.nz/quakes/region/newzealand/2015p305812
[06:40:46] <ex-parrot> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByYSbmc9YE-ca2FibGsyeXQyZVU&authuser=0 drum output
[06:48:43] <jessicah> ouch... running qemu x86_64 on haiku gcc2h is painful :p
[06:49:05] <jessicah> anyway, got to desktop now... progress :)
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[06:53:46] <jessicah> MattLacey: why no haiku love? :(
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[08:59:59] <Akuji> Analysis of Haiku Operating System (BeOS Family) by PVS-Studio. Part 2 http://www.viva64.com/en/b/0318/
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[09:31:02] <MrSunshine> hmm in that analyzis thing ... RtlSecureZeroMemory <-- seems to be a windows function? :P
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[09:31:50] <MattLacey> interesting issues raised by that
[09:32:07] <MattLacey> wonder what the total count was?
[09:32:51] <MrSunshine> yeah its a good thing =)
[09:33:04] <MrSunshine> alot of strange little buggers comming up =)
[09:33:07] <MattLacey> yeah
[09:33:23] <avril14th> morning
[09:33:28] <MattLacey> those bad null terminators and the terminated loop
[09:33:40] <MattLacey> those are the things that are far too easy to miss when reading the code looking for a bug
[09:34:09] <MrSunshine> mm
[09:34:25] <MrSunshine> been there myself in my coding days .. but the & vs && etc was my bane mostly =)
[09:34:42] <MattLacey> :)
[09:34:47] <MattLacey> yeah that's always annoying
[09:34:50] <MattLacey> and a ; after an if statement
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[09:36:32] <MrSunshine> one time i was looking for a bug in a code for like 3 days .. turned out to be a & insted of && in an if statement
[09:36:44] <MrSunshine> gave me loads of headache =)
[09:37:02] <MattLacey> I've had a bug in some assembly code for motnhs
[09:37:27] <MrSunshine> ough assembly .. never coded .. but im about to learn as i get more and more into vintage computers =)
[09:37:44] <MattLacey> just got it running in an emulator, caused the crash and it immediately reported that I was trying to read a bad address ($ffffffff)
[09:37:52] <MattLacey> hoping that'll prove to be a useful clue!
[09:39:03] <MattLacey> yeah this is on an Atari Falcon
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[09:41:00] <MattLacey> wrong button :)
[09:44:30] <jessicah> Akuji: will the full report be available soon?
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[09:50:00] <jessicah> ah the "guess" at correct implementation for the first one under Bad Loops is incorrect
[09:50:26] <jessicah> should be: tmp >>= 1; /* empty */) ...
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[09:59:28] <Akuji_> jessicah: full log has been sent to Diver I was told.
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[10:00:55] <jessicah> Akuji_: ah okay; I would've expected a ticket to be opened :p but that works too :)
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[10:02:16] <Akuji_> I think the log might be put somewhere on Dropbox or Pastebin so anyone could review it
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[10:21:37] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: janus * hrev49101 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d9c440a536ed+%5Ea2ddc1c06e44
[10:21:38] <HAIKU-irker005>     d9c440a536ed: DataTranslations: use layout, standard format.
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[13:31:56] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: threedeyes * hrev49102 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=4eea07414221+%5Ed9c440a536ed
[13:31:57] <HAIKU-irker005>     4eea07414221: vst_host: use FindPaths instead find_directory
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[13:53:20] <Carl_Miller> Morning
[13:58:29] <jessicah`> morning
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[15:01:27] <kallisti5> mmu_man: I have a Powerbook stashed away for Haiku... if I can find some free time i'll give it a try
[15:01:46] <kallisti5> ...although last time I checked the loader still didn't start on it's own... we're not blessing the CD properly :-\
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[15:08:03] <mmu_man> kallisti5: we are, AFAIK
[15:08:11] <mmu_man> it's just the (COFF) loader was incorrect
[15:08:15] <mmu_man> the entry point
[15:08:24] <mmu_man> so it never actually executed anything
[15:09:11] <mmu_man> unless maybe the OF implementation of ISO9660 only knows about 8.3 names
[15:09:44] <kallisti5> I know I could start the loader by hand on ppc
[15:09:53] <kallisti5> ... but the cd wasn't "bootable"
[15:10:00] <kallisti5> so yeah... that might of been it
[15:10:21] <mmu_man> IIRC the blessed loader was the COFF one
[15:11:47] <mmu_man> yes
[15:12:10] <mmu_man> although you should be able to load it manually from the CD
[15:12:19] <mmu_man> cd:,\\haikuloader.xcf
[15:13:45] <mmu_man> \\ refers to the blessed folder
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[18:32:36] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: About time for another monthly update?
[18:33:08] <PulkoMandy> maybe
[18:34:47] <PulkoMandy> also time for a new webkit release - it needs _BSD_SOURCE fixes
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[18:51:54] <iMe> Hi. I am trying to go through with the programming lessons on the site. I am on number 17, MenuColors, and receive /boot/system/develop/headers/os/BeBuild.h:51: #error Unsupported gcc version!
[18:52:15] <iMe> any idea?
[18:53:07] <PulkoMandy> hi
[18:53:26] <iMe> hi
[18:53:32] <PulkoMandy> mh, this shouln't happen
[18:53:43] <iMe> :)
[18:54:18] <PulkoMandy> how are you compiling your sources?
[18:54:57] <iMe> cpp App.cpp MainWindow.cpp -lbe
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[18:55:43] <PulkoMandy> I think you should run g++, rather than cpp (which is only the preprocessor, not the compiler)
[18:56:18] <iMe> ups, sorry.. of course
[18:57:07] <PulkoMandy> and the compiler should be either gcc2 or gcc4
[18:57:17] <PulkoMandy> unless you somehow managed to install gcc3 or 5?
[18:57:42] <iMe> I'm running vanilla, so it's gcc2..
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[19:00:16] <PulkoMandy> well, gcc should set __GNUC__ to 2 and this should make BeBuild.h happy
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[19:07:15] <Carl_Miller> OK, I got video and hard drive access to work, but not networking still :(
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[21:20:12] <bbjimmy> just updated haiku ... web+ won't launch, missing symbol....
[21:20:41] <PulkoMandy> yes, I'm building the new package for webkit
[21:20:48] <PulkoMandy> should be online in a few hours
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[21:21:40] <bbjimmy> Anything else that I should be aware of ? any more packages off-loaded from the Haiku package?
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[21:23:26] <qqz> what file systems does haiku support when it comes to interface with Linux?
[21:23:30] <PulkoMandy> Qt is also broken
[21:24:08] <qqz> won`t care about a GUI; just need Haiku for copying data from disk onto blue ray
[21:24:32] <qqz> anyone here who can help me (quickly)?
[21:24:40] <PulkoMandy> qqz: ext2, fat, ntfs read/write, reiserfs, btrfs, exfat probably read-only
[21:24:58] <PulkoMandy> and nfs, iso9660 and udf
[21:25:09] <PulkoMandy> Linux can also read Haiku's native bfs
[21:25:16] <qqz> even btrfs; cool! that should be everything I need; thx; will download …
[21:27:22] <PulkoMandy> the btrfs code was updated last time in 2013. I hope the FS is compatible with older versions of itself so our code still works? :)
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[21:31:40] <qqz> at last it will be the other way round: creating the btrfs with haiku and then reading with a newer Linux
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[21:32:04] <qqz> I fear there were some updates between 2013/2014/2015 which are not backward compatible
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[21:35:22] <PulkoMandy> we don't have write support for it, so you can't create it from haiku anyway
[21:37:20] <qqz> what about ext3 and ext4? is there any support for r/w?
[21:37:44] <qqz> or what is the native file format of Haiku?
[21:38:23] <PulkoMandy> the native filesystem is bfs. Linux has some read support for that, I don't know about write
[21:38:42] <PulkoMandy> we can write ext3 (without updating the journal), not sureexactly what happens with ext4
[21:38:50] <PulkoMandy> (sorry, I don't use Linux all that much)
[21:40:03] <qqz> ok. reading my home data in ext3 will suffice; and reading back from bfs as well.
[21:40:43] <qqz> that should do it :); have a nice day!
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[21:56:58] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: tqh * hrev49103 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=bd7a8d8329ac+%5E4eea07414221
[21:56:59] <HAIKU-irker005>     bd7a8d8329ac: Temporarily hardcode ACPI _REV to 2 until we upgrade ACPICA.
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[22:01:52] <nikk>  /clear
[22:02:55] <Max-Might> does building lpe require pcre?
[22:03:22] <puckipedia> yeah, I think it does
[22:03:22] <PulkoMandy> yes
[22:03:57] <Max-Might> libpcre?
[22:04:20] <puckipedia> libprce_devel even
[22:04:22] <puckipedia> iirc
[22:04:33] <puckipedia> pcre*
[22:06:26] <PulkoMandy> mh... BeOS code in Basilisk II has bitrotten :(
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[22:44:44] <PulkoMandy> https://lut.im/f6OFU1hw/v0BQMXVl
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[22:58:39] <danboid> Hi Haikuers!
[22:58:58] <danboid> What does safe mode disable?
[22:59:27] <danboid> Should I be able to use my network devices under safe mode?
[23:02:24] <danboid> http://www.haiku-os.org/docs/userguide/en/bootloader.html says 'Activating Safe mode will prevent most servers, daemons and the UserBootScript from being started'
[23:02:43] <danboid> I guess daemons covers the network drivers too does it?
[23:04:40] <danboid> Which brings me to my other main question
[23:05:15] <danboid> The Centrino 2230 has a FreeBSD driver but has it been ported and included in the nightlies yet?
[23:05:46] <danboid> I'm guessing not and that this s the reason my me having to use safe mode to boot
[23:06:33] <danboid> listdev and the other system viewer thing see it fine though
[23:08:32] <danboid> I've got a photo of the KDL dump for my boot prob if its of interest
[23:09:08] <danboid> I'm also wondering if Haiku has proper (Intel) SATA3 support yet?
[23:09:47] <danboid> It installed on my SSD OK but it doesn't boot as fast as I expected it might compared to Linux
[23:10:05] <danboid> Hellooo??
[23:10:12] <jessicah> good morning :)
[23:10:20] <danboid> jessicah, Hi jessicah !
[23:10:39] <jessicah> sure, a ticket is always welcome; but should do a search first to see if there's one that matches
[23:10:50] <danboid> jessicah, Can you shed any light on my many other questions?
[23:11:07] <jessicah> freebsd9 network drivers should be present in Haiku
[23:11:23] <jessicah> we haven't done the work required to be able to port freebsd10 network drivers
[23:11:42] <danboid> ok
[23:12:40] <danboid> You can't comment on the 2230?
[23:14:35] <jessicah> if it has a freebsd9 driver, it _should_ work
[23:15:00] <jessicah> so do file a ticket if you're having issues :)
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[23:16:57] <danboid> Will do. It seems a 2230 driver has been backported to 9-STABLE https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=196279
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[23:17:48] <danboid> jessicah, Weren't you working on a Haiku Libreoffice port?
[23:18:38] <jessicah> danboid: ah, interesting; then maybe we just need to refresh our drivers
[23:18:52] <jessicah> danboid: do open a ticket noting these details, so someone can attend to it :)
[23:19:34] <danboid> jessicah, Def. will in a minute. Does Haiku have SATA3 support?
[23:20:19] <jessicah> I don't know
[23:20:35] <jessicah> yes, I was one of the people attempting that
[23:20:41] <jessicah> someone else is also attempting it
[23:20:49] <jessicah> I got a bit sidetracked with life and things
[23:21:01] <danboid> Its installed on my SATA3 SSD but I expect its running  at SATA2 (or 1) speed
[23:21:06] <jessicah> only starting to get back into programming last couple weeks
[23:21:32] <danboid> cool
[23:22:28] <danboid> I can prob test the disk speed with dd if there is no hdparm for Haiku
[23:26:52] <danboid> jessicah, how far along is it? Does it compile?
[23:29:58] <jessicah> I ran into issues with a dependency on cairo
[23:30:08] <jessicah> which we don't seem to have a working port of, iirc
[23:30:11] <danboid> ouch
[23:30:26] <danboid> Yes, cairo isn't going to be an easy thing to port
[23:30:44] <jessicah> the other person working on porting LibreOffice was going the Qt route I believe
[23:30:46] <danboid> Not that I thought LO would be, either :)
[23:30:55] <jessicah> and has had some luck I think
[23:31:04] <jessicah> hah, yeah, it's quite the beast
[23:31:08] <danboid> ooh! Thats good to hear
[23:31:30] <jessicah> I've been working on some fixes to boost that I've slowly been getting upstreamed
[23:31:35] <danboid> Does Haiku hae any webcam support yet?
[23:31:39] <jessicah> and now, getting back into the UEFI bootloader
[23:31:54] <jessicah> I don't know
[23:32:12] <jessicah> I think UVC-compatible webcams have some initial support, but needs more work?
[23:33:08] <danboid> That'd be nice to have, but I'm sure theres lots more important stuff - like UEFI!
[23:33:32] <danboid> Has any tried porting chromium?
[23:34:05] <danboid> Maybe it'd be a bit easier now its not using GTK anymore?
[23:34:53] <mmu_man> jessicah: yes, I didn't actually test the UVC part of the driver
[23:35:04] <danboid> mmu_man, Hi!
[23:35:13] <mmu_man> else you can try some Sonic webcams, they use bulk transfer
[23:35:16] <mmu_man> Sonix
[23:35:31] <mmu_man> but resolution sux
[23:35:45] <jessicah> danboid: ah, I think working UVC cameras would be more important than UEFI, personally
[23:36:38] <danboid> If we had a chromium port + UVC, we could use Jitsi under Haiku
[23:37:25] <bbjimmy> If I setarch x86 shouldn't finddir B_SYSTEM_LIB_DIRECTORY return /boot/system/lib/x86?
[23:37:42] <jessicah> bbjimmy: no
[23:37:44] <danboid> mmu_man, Does Haiku support SATA3? Is there an app to monitor laptop batteries?
[23:37:57] <jessicah> bbjimmy: mm, pretty sure, no :p
[23:38:17] <danboid> or even kernel support for monitoring batteries (ACPI)
[23:38:29] <jessicah> hmm, maybe it should
[23:38:30] <bbjimmy> then one cannot use finddir in a makefile and use the proper lib directory?
[23:38:53] <jessicah> bbjimmy: maybe you should use findpaths
[23:40:58] <bbjimmy> returns /boot/system/lib
[23:41:06] <jessicah> hmm, so it does... weird
[23:41:43] <bbjimmy> this makefile used to work after a setarch command, now it doesn't
[23:41:53] <jessicah> mm, maybe it's a regression
[23:42:14] <bbjimmy> I had to set the path manually to make it work.
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[23:54:44] * Carl_Miller yawns and lies down on one of the couches.
[23:56:48] <waddlesplash> Someone on one of the other open source projects I work on committed suicide last night. ;_;
[23:57:04] <Carl_Miller> :<
[23:57:15] * Carl_Miller hugs waddlesplash
[23:57:32] <waddlesplash> I didn't know her very well, but she was pretty cool.
[23:57:36] <Carl_Miller> Ah
[23:57:38] <Carl_Miller> In lighter news, I licked GPU (mostly) and HDD problems, but not the network :/
[23:57:45] <Carl_Miller> (Also I interviewed for a job and applied for another)
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