April 22, 2015 
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Part 1 http://www.viva64.com/en/b/0317/[08:35:15] *** Vidiot_X has quit IRC[08:45:35] *** nande has quit IRC[08:54:11] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[08:59:49] *** OmniMancer has joined #haiku[09:16:35] <jessicah> Akuji: nice :)[09:19:06] *** stippi has joined #haiku[09:19:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[09:25:40] *** leszek has joined #haiku[09:35:38] *** GeneralDuke has joined #haiku[09:39:09] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[09:43:36] *** simpbrain has quit IRC[09:49:43] *** axeld has joined #haiku[09:49:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[09:51:58] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[09:52:06] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[09:52:13] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[09:52:44] *** rNyhus has quit IRC[10:03:27] *** Bigcheese has quit IRC[10:03:46] *** Bigcheese has joined #haiku[10:08:08] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[10:12:16] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[10:14:39] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[10:29:36] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[10:29:37] <Akuji_> Could someone with appropriate rights approve the news https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2015-04-22_analysis_haiku_operating_system_beos_family_pvsstudio_part_1?[10:32:40] *** HAR1f has quit IRC[10:40:14] *** HAR1f has joined #haiku[10:51:50] *** leszek has quit IRC[10:58:46] *** unicodesnowman has quit IRC[10:59:19] *** unicodesnowman has joined #haiku[10:59:42] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[11:02:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:03:02] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[11:03:38] *** kushalsingh007 has joined #haiku[11:04:13] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:06:21] <GeneralDuke> So someone introspect Haiku code... I hoped that someone is making new ide :D[11:11:11] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:11:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[11:12:40] *** Akuji has quit IRC[11:16:24] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[11:16:55] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[11:17:22] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[11:31:52] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[11:31:59] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[11:31:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[12:10:10] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[12:10:19] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[12:18:12] *** leszek has joined #haiku[12:18:17] <jessicah> GeneralDuke: hah, I don't think so :p[12:18:28] <jessicah> probably more plugging of their products[12:20:41] <jessicah> wonder how they got it to work, if it only runs under Windows[12:20:59] <jessicah> the Haiku source tree isn't exactly friendly to case-insensitive FSs[12:22:26] <Diver> it runs under Linux as well via wine[12:22:57] <Diver> or maybe they used mingw...[12:24:17] *** kcj has quit IRC[12:25:43] <mmu_man> what runs?[12:27:09] <Diver> PVS-Studio[12:38:19] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[12:38:25] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[12:38:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[12:39:11] <Diver> they check open source code from time to time http://www.viva64.com/en/a/0084/[12:49:56] <Diver> furthermore, they've promised to reveal full logs of errors they had found[12:54:32] <mmu_man> nice, just a shame they aren't FLOSS themselves :D[12:56:26] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[13:06:25] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[13:08:35] <mmu_man> btw, anyone checking and patching those yet?[13:11:13] *** brobostigon has quit IRC[13:14:57] *** brobostigon has joined #haiku[13:22:26] <mmu_man> oh, didn't know this one[13:22:27] <mmu_man> http://gambas.sourceforge.net/en/main.html[13:26:44] <mmu_man> http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/install?w[13:26:53] <mmu_man> hmm lotsa requirements[13:35:02] *** oblo has joined #haiku[13:35:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:02:54] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[14:04:12] *** User3453 has joined #haiku[14:06:46] *** User3456 has quit IRC[14:16:21] *** stippi has quit IRC[14:24:13] *** OmniMancer has quit IRC[14:34:46] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[14:57:49] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[14:57:56] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[14:57:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[15:01:58] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[15:12:23] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: threedeyes * hrev49086 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7a8db3685216+%5E5c2425a61e38[15:12:24] <HAIKU-irker005> 7a8db3685216: Added MailNews package for x86_gcc2[15:16:00] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: threedeyes * hrev49087 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3e6f18624270+%5E7a8db3685216[15:16:01] <HAIKU-irker005> 3e6f18624270: Added mda_vst package for x86_gcc2[15:25:45] *** stippi has joined #haiku[15:25:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[15:30:42] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[15:30:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[15:32:40] *** Sir_Designer has 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haiku.master: mmu_man * hrev49088 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=83b9ad27c916+%5E3e6f18624270[16:43:49] <HAIKU-irker005> 83b9ad27c916: libtool: update packages, add gcc4 version[16:44:14] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[16:52:32] *** zz_numbern is now known as NumberNoid[16:53:39] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[17:01:40] *** oblo has quit IRC[17:02:49] *** User3453 has quit IRC[17:11:01] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[17:12:57] *** Nekrodes has joined #haiku[17:15:10] *** Nekrodes has left #haiku[17:19:08] *** Akuji has quit IRC[17:19:34] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[17:23:51] *** humdinger has joined #haiku[17:23:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger[17:24:03] *** Akuji has quit IRC[17:26:44] *** GeneralDuke has quit IRC[17:31:50] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[17:35:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:45:16] *** epigraph has quit IRC[17:48:13] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[17:54:32] *** orealis has quit IRC[17:55:04] *** NumberNoid is now known as goawayspambot[17:55:16] *** orealis has joined #haiku[18:01:46] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:02:18] *** oblo has joined #haiku[18:09:06] *** MaxMight has joined #haiku[18:09:13] *** Max_Might has joined #haiku[18:10:30] <goawayspambot> test[18:13:33] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:13:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[18:17:37] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[18:17:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger_[18:17:48] *** kurain has quit IRC[18:17:54] *** goawayspambot is now known as NumberNoid[18:18:05] *** kurain has joined #haiku[18:20:00] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:20:00] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[18:25:43] *** hagen has joined #haiku[18:28:15] *** Guma has joined #haiku[18:28:51] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[18:29:08] *** DingoSaar has quit IRC[18:29:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:29:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tqh[18:35:14] *** humdinger_ has joined #haiku[18:35:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o humdinger_[18:35:58] *** humdinger has quit IRC[18:35:58] *** humdinger_ is now known as humdinger[18:36:59] *** pdziepak has joined #haiku[18:36:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o pdziepak[18:38:27] *** hagen has quit IRC[18:38:52] *** DingoSaar has joined #haiku[18:40:12] *** simpbrain has joined #haiku[18:42:56] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[18:43:03] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[18:43:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[18:43:47] *** Guma has quit IRC[18:45:24] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: janus * hrev49089 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b70b9a384db2+%5E83b9ad27c916[18:45:25] <HAIKU-irker005> 5871779df8f5: DataTranslations: sort translator list.[18:45:26] <HAIKU-irker005> b70b9a384db2: DataTranslations: use layout, standard format.[18:46:48] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[18:47:02] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[18:47:21] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[18:54:04] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:59:13] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[19:00:10] *** heoyea has quit IRC[19:12:17] <humdinger> Granting commit access to Janus was a very good idea![19:13:05] <Diver> Indeed, too bad he doesn't hang out here...[19:13:33] <humdinger> There's a Janus in the #haiku-de channel.[19:13:47] <humdinger> he's there all the time. I assumed it's a bot... :)[19:14:03] <puckipedia> * [janus] idle 75:52:43, signon: Thu Apr 16 01:11:50[19:14:04] <puckipedia> wow[19:14:08] <Diver> oh, haven't noticed him[19:14:14] <Diver> btw, updates are broken again due to new ICU package[19:14:24] <humdinger> \o/[19:14:50] <Diver> I think one has to uninstall libqt to have updates working again[19:15:21] <Diver> (and boost)[19:16:46] <Diver> ah, jessicah has already mentioned it today[19:16:48] <Diver> :)[19:17:41] <humdinger> nice. "pkgman uninstall boost*" uninstalles all boost packages and the opened HaikuDepot toggles them from "Installed" to "Available".[19:17:57] <humdinger> I know it's trivil, but i love those live things. :)[19:18:05] <humdinger> *trivial even[19:20:57] <Diver> humdinger: MailNews (Thunderbird) seems to work nicely. https://depot.haiku-os.org/mailnews however, maybe it needs its own icon?[19:22:08] <humdinger> definitely... most of the time I suck at icons though :)[19:22:25] <humdinger> I'm still wrestling with a tools icon for Beezer.[19:23:01] <Diver> I mean, since both BeZilla and MailNews are featured packages now it's not that cool that they have almost the same icon[19:23:38] <humdinger> maybe a zuMi icon? http://zumi.xoom.it/myhaiku/3rd%20party%20apps/index.html[19:23:51] *** simpbrain has quit IRC[19:23:51] <humdinger> blue mailbox[19:24:08] <Diver> oh, yeah[19:24:18] <Diver> which one tho?[19:24:55] <humdinger> the first one? http://zumi.xoom.it/myhaiku/3rd%20party%20apps/beam%20r2.hvif[19:25:03] <Diver> ok...[19:25:35] <Diver> I think we also need to change description in the recipe to mention IMAP[19:26:11] <Diver> The same for Beam[19:27:29] <Diver> https://depot.haiku-os.org/beam btw, screenshots miss tabs[19:29:35] <humdinger> Icon for MailNews is updated.[19:29:54] <humdinger> I can try to create new screenshots for BEam.[19:30:00] <Diver> ok, thanks[19:30:24] <humdinger> both could do with more info in the description.[19:30:59] <Diver> right[19:32:22] <Diver> Interestingly, HaikuDepot fails to update MailNews package icon even tho it updated in Featured view...[19:32:45] <Diver> worked after HD restart[19:32:49] *** Akuji has quit IRC[19:33:13] <humdinger> caching[19:33:28] <Diver> I don't think so[19:34:04] <Diver> I think mmlr fixed it fore Featured view in one of his last commits[19:34:21] <Diver> We need Haiku theme for MailNews[19:36:57] *** bitkid_ has quit IRC[19:40:46] *** bitkid has joined #haiku[19:44:22] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[19:44:24] <Carl_Miller> Hihi[19:47:13] <Carl_Miller> Do any of y’all use reddit?[19:47:13] * Carl_Miller contemplates requesting /r/haikuos, since the only mod hasn’t been on in two months[19:47:18] *** moe85 has joined #haiku[19:47:22] <puckipedia> ooh[19:47:34] <puckipedia> I was thinking of making some CSS for it[19:47:35] <moe85> hey all[19:47:46] <puckipedia> but when trying to do that they still had the old CSS sanitizer[19:48:07] * humdinger hasn't reddit.[19:48:14] <puckipedia> Carl_Miller: well, it isn't official anyways[19:48:25] <Carl_Miller> But is it officially unofficial? :P[19:48:28] <puckipedia> :P[19:49:29] <puckipedia> "Keep in mind that "activity" isn't limited to public posting and commenting."[19:49:31] <puckipedia> meh[19:49:33] <Carl_Miller> ^[19:49:35] * Carl_Miller puts it in[19:49:46] <puckipedia> right[19:49:52] <puckipedia> I would like it if you'd set me as mod too :P[19:50:06] <Carl_Miller> Of course[19:50:08] <Carl_Miller> :)[19:50:11] * puckipedia sees it[19:56:39] <moe85> does anyone here use paladin with haikus git repo? is it possible?[19:56:50] *** simpbrain has joined #haiku[19:58:01] <Carl_Miller> It’d be nice if Haiku didn’t give a black screen on my GPU (Asus AMD Raden R5 230) :/[19:58:18] <puckipedia> hmm[20:01:12] <humdinger> replaced Beam screenshots[20:02:31] <Carl_Miller> “Hmm” indeed[20:06:36] <Carl_Miller> waddlesplash: Ignore the memo I just sent you, I didn’t know you were online >_<;[20:06:43] <Carl_Miller> You wouldn’t happen to have a copy of BeOS Max, would you?[20:07:03] <puckipedia> (he does have a bouncer)[20:07:13] <Carl_Miller> (TIL)[20:07:15] *** trn has quit IRC[20:08:00] *** trn has joined #haiku[20:16:17] <Carl_Miller> I found a torrent with vanilla BeOS 4, 5, and 5.1 in it[20:16:19] <Carl_Miller> but not Max :\[20:18:32] <humdinger> so the internet does forget after all...[20:18:37] <Carl_Miller> Yep :([20:18:42] * Carl_Miller is mad at Karl now[20:20:05] <Carl_Miller> Especially since right before taking BeBits and HaikuWare down he excluded the Internet Archive’s bots from crawling the sites, which also removes all previous archival[20:20:08] <Carl_Miller> >:([20:30:26] <simpbrain> i was ready to archive bebits until i loaded the website and noticed it gone :/[20:31:31] <Carl_Miller> :<[20:31:35] <simpbrain> how long has bebits/haikuware been down?[20:31:35] *** planktonizer has quit IRC[20:31:41] <Carl_Miller> simpbrain: No idea[20:31:46] <humdinger> a week or two[20:31:52] <simpbrain> bah so close[20:32:26] <humdinger> Karl's final satisfaction...[20:32:27] *** planktonizer has joined #haiku[20:32:31] <humdinger> ...or just a glitch?[20:32:35] <Carl_Miller> I want to know what in the blue blazes Karl has against BeOS/Haiku all of a sudden[20:32:37] <Carl_Miller> WB planktonizer[20:32:53] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[20:33:59] <humdinger> I'd say it's been cooking for years.[20:34:31] <Carl_Miller> ?[20:35:03] <humdinger> haven't heard a positive note from him for many years.[20:35:06] <Carl_Miller> :([20:36:16] <Carl_Miller> All of archive.is’ snapshots are from June 2013[20:39:33] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[20:40:35] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:41:04] <Carl_Miller> “The loss of any major portal is a blow to any niche operating system; it’s hard to imagine a world without BeBits and AmigaWorld.” (from an article about Drobe going read-only)[20:41:10] <Carl_Miller> Well, considering two of those three are gone... :([20:41:55] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: hi, I read your memo[20:41:58] *** Guma has joined #haiku[20:42:08] <humdinger> Don't give up yet. Haikuware was down before for weeks (I think) before Karl noticed (or cared to fix it again).[20:42:42] <waddlesplash> simpbrain: Carl_Miller: FWIW, I have a copy of BeBits from 2010 offline here[20:42:48] <Carl_Miller> waddlesplash: :O[20:43:02] <Carl_Miller> If I could be blessed with access to it, that would be awesome[20:43:10] <Carl_Miller> humdinger: According to HaikuWare’s Facebook page, it’s been down since the 9th[20:43:15] <simpbrain> that was pre haiku?[20:43:35] <waddlesplash> humdinger: Except the same time he took it down, he sent a message to me saying "Please destroy all Haikuware software it's copyrighted us"[20:43:36] <waddlesplash> :/[20:43:42] <waddlesplash> simpbrain: no, Haiku A1 was 2009[20:43:49] <simpbrain> ah[20:43:57] <humdinger> what is Haikuware software?[20:44:18] <Carl_Miller> waddlesplash: :<[20:44:40] <Carl_Miller> What was the last public statement Karl made?[20:44:58] <waddlesplash> no idea, I don't follow Haikuware closely[20:45:13] <waddlesplash> and he somehow modified robots.txt to prevent the IA from displaying its copies of it[20:45:18] <waddlesplash> >>>>>::::((((([20:45:31] <waddlesplash> Sad day for archivists.[20:45:36] <Carl_Miller> Yep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:([20:45:54] <Carl_Miller> At least there’s http://haikuarchives.github.io/software.html[20:45:58] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: simpbrain: So, you two are new to me. Mind if I ask you to introduce yourselves?[20:46:04] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: yes, I run that. :D[20:46:16] <simpbrain> archive.org follows robots.txt, other archivists ignore it[20:46:23] <waddlesplash> indeed so[20:46:37] <Carl_Miller> waddlesplash: I’m Carl, and yes, I’ve already heard enough Walking Dead references. I forget how I got turned onto Haiku, but I got hooked pretty much immediately. :D[20:46:47] * Carl_Miller also lives in Florida and is turning 21 soon[20:47:31] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: yeah, but I've been here for over 2.5 years and I haven't seen you before[20:47:42] <waddlesplash> so, how recently have you gotten into Haiku?[20:47:51] <Carl_Miller> I just joined this IRC channel[20:47:52] <simpbrain> 30, uk, got a boxed beos, plus cds of 4.5 and 5 plus max in my archives[20:47:57] <Carl_Miller> and I think I got into Haiku a few months ago?[20:47:57] <puckipedia> nice[20:48:04] <waddlesplash> Cool, well, welcome![20:48:11] * Carl_Miller is bad at remembering things that are actually relevant. It probably has something to do with his Asperger’s[20:48:12] <Carl_Miller> .[20:48:13] <Carl_Miller> Thank you ^_^[20:48:49] <Carl_Miller> Argh[20:48:51] <waddlesplash> simpbrain: Welcome to you too![20:49:07] <simpbrain> using haiku/beos on and off for many years ~2001?[20:49:33] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: So, I'm waddlesplash. 16 going on 17, runs HaikuArchives, general archivist, found out about Haiku in 2012, got commit access just a few months ago.[20:49:45] <Carl_Miller> Nice[20:49:58] <waddlesplash> And the general rundown of this channel is:[20:50:16] <waddlesplash> * all the operators either have commit access or hold some other position of importance in Haiku[20:50:20] <waddlesplash> * all the "voiced" are bots[20:50:20] * humdinger is an old fart running BeOS/Haiku since 1998[20:51:10] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[20:51:11] * tqh got promoted.[20:51:48] <Carl_Miller> o7[20:51:51] <Carl_Miller> Hi SunWuKung[20:52:12] <SunWuKung> Hi Carl_Miller[20:55:04] <PulkoMandy> hi[20:55:39] <PulkoMandy> about the ICU update, sorry about this, I didn't plan to push it yet but I used the wrong computer to make a change again, I will update the packages which needs to[20:56:18] <PulkoMandy> and about the software archive: I run an archive on http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive . It's not a complete mirror of bebits (yet), but better than nothing[20:56:36] <waddlesplash> right, I need to contribute the bebits mirror from 2010 that AGMS gave me[20:56:46] <PulkoMandy> yes, that would be nice[20:57:24] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: about ICU -- it may be better to just revert for now, as there are way too many packages to rebuild[20:57:27] <PulkoMandy> and people providing mirrors as well (if you dare doing that, some of the software there is "abandonware", so possibly illegal in some parts of the world)[20:57:40] <PulkoMandy> waddlesplash: are there that much? I didn't see a lot depending on it[20:57:45] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: Qt, Boost, WebKit off the top of my head[20:58:01] <PulkoMandy> yes, if it's just 3 packages we're all fine[20:58:01] *** Guma has quit IRC[20:58:02] <waddlesplash> so that's about 1.5 days of continuous building on a 3GHz quad-core machine by my estimates[20:58:07] <PulkoMandy> (there are a few more)[20:58:24] <Carl_Miller> It’d be nice if there were another web browser on Haiku... or if reddit would work right in Web+ :P[20:58:37] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: Reddit doesn't work in Web+? It did for me...[20:58:40] *** dexterk has quit IRC[20:58:46] <Carl_Miller> waddlesplash: When I try to save a post, nothing happens[20:58:46] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: oh, are you on the alpha?[20:59:08] <Carl_Miller> Yes[20:59:12] <Carl_Miller> Should I be on nightly instead?[20:59:16] <PulkoMandy> yes[20:59:17] <waddlesplash> yes, you should[20:59:23] <waddlesplash> the alpha is from November 2012[20:59:27] <Carl_Miller> OK[20:59:30] * Carl_Miller grabs[20:59:53] <PulkoMandy> in the nightlies we have Web+, Qupzilla, Netsurf, and Firefox 2. It increases the probability that you can find at least one working browser[21:00:02] <PulkoMandy> (and Web+ was improved a lot since alpha4)[21:00:03] <Carl_Miller> :o[21:00:24] *** dexterk has joined #haiku[21:00:45] <humdinger> cu guys![21:00:47] *** humdinger has quit IRC[21:00:54] <waddlesplash> Carl_Miller: yes, PulkoMandy spent 12 months of fulltime work on the web browser, it supports YouTube now! :)[21:00:58] <Carl_Miller> :D[21:01:19] <PulkoMandy> well, it's not perfect yetr[21:01:27] <PulkoMandy> but better than before on many things[21:05:03] <tqh> it's not worse :)[21:05:39] <PulkoMandy> it is on some things unfortunately :/[21:06:31] <waddlesplash> Not many, really.[21:07:16] <PulkoMandy> well, it randomly freezes while loading pages here[21:07:39] <PulkoMandy> probably a problem in libnetwork and the openssl interfacing however[21:07:59] <waddlesplash> yeah[21:08:11] <waddlesplash> what's the status of WebKit2 again?[21:08:22] <waddlesplash> also, didn't Ryan Leavengood have a prototype WebKit2 system?[21:08:33] <PulkoMandy> I don't know[21:08:39] <PulkoMandy> in the sources I have there wasn't much[21:09:00] <waddlesplash> https://github.com/leavengood/Haiku-Browser[21:09:01] <PulkoMandy> possibly he was experimenting with chrome-style process separation (ie. what later became blink)[21:09:10] <waddlesplash> yes, that's what it was[21:09:24] <waddlesplash> see RenderBoy source code[21:09:31] <PulkoMandy> ah yes, in a custom way even[21:09:47] <PulkoMandy> we could do that. I think I have an IRC log of discussing this with stippi somewhere[21:10:37] <PulkoMandy> here: http://paste.debian.net/168337/[21:11:08] *** Guma has joined #haiku[21:12:16] <waddlesplash> ah, yeah[21:12:22] <waddlesplash> that's going to be nasty to implement tho[21:12:32] <waddlesplash> at this rate I'd just finish the Qt5 port and use Qt5WebKit2[21:12:44] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev49090 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e3552201be85+%5Eb70b9a384db2[21:12:45] <HAIKU-irker005> e3552201be85: Add packages for Samba and Twolame[21:12:53] <waddlesplash> (yes that exists)[21:13:08] <waddlesplash> PulkoMandy: :O samba! does it work?[21:13:36] <Diver> it does[21:14:07] <Diver> however, we need to break samba recipe into 2 or 3 packages[21:14:49] <waddlesplash> ah, makes sense[21:14:49] <Diver> you don't have to install full samba suite for libsmbclient[21:15:12] <Diver> (this is a dependency of VLC for example)[21:15:16] <waddlesplash> well, it'd be nice to get a UserlandFS module for Samba[21:15:22] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:16:24] <Diver> cifs fuse use mean? Yeah, that would be nice[21:17:59] <Carl_Miller> Hmm, nightly does not seem to be receiving network data properly in VirtualBox 5.0.0-beta1[21:19:07] <waddlesplash> we don't really test VBox betas[21:19:22] <waddlesplash> VBox 4.3 works here for me, try changing network card to "Intel PRO MT Desktop"[21:20:20] <Carl_Miller> Nevermind, it’s working now[21:20:26] <Carl_Miller> O.o[21:20:52] <waddlesplash> And? How's Reddit on Web+?[21:20:57] <Carl_Miller> Works just fine :D[21:21:01] <waddlesplash> :)[21:26:14] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:26:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[21:27:29] *** orealis has quit IRC[21:28:13] *** orealis has joined #haiku[21:28:36] *** SunWuKung has quit IRC[21:33:03] <Carl_Miller> Hrm, BeOS 5 Pro triple faults in VBox beta[21:33:08] * Carl_Miller reinstalls the stable version[21:35:19] <Carl_Miller> brb[21:35:22] *** Carl_Miller has quit IRC[21:37:44] *** kurain has quit IRC[21:38:17] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[21:39:37] *** Guma is now known as Guma_[21:41:09] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[21:41:19] <Carl_Miller> Nope, still triple faults on 4.3.26[21:41:55] <puckipedia> yeah, BeOS in VBox is a bit finicky iirc[21:42:32] <Carl_Miller> Ah[21:42:38] * Carl_Miller tries the bin/cue instead of a virtual drive[21:42:56] <Carl_Miller> Nnnnope[21:42:57] *** Guma_ is now known as Guma[21:43:10] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[21:43:25] <Carl_Miller> 4.5: crash[21:44:48] <Carl_Miller> 4.0: doesn't recognize the CD as a bootable volume[21:45:50] <Carl_Miller> ...d'oh, I didn't RTFM[21:46:46] *** Guma has quit IRC[21:46:51] * Carl_Miller tries something[21:48:03] <Carl_Miller> :([21:49:52] <Carl_Miller> Maybe exactly 1 GB RAM is too much[21:51:14] <Carl_Miller> Set it to 768, now the atom lights up before crashing (5.1 Dano)[21:51:49] <Carl_Miller> ...ah, apparently 4.3 is no bueno[21:54:20] <Carl_Miller> ...nope, it was the hardware virtualization >_<[21:54:37] <Carl_Miller> Now all the icons light up and then it hangs, so I'm guessing it's the special snowflake multisession CD that's screwing it up[21:59:52] <Diver> Carl_Miller: I use floppy.img[22:00:50] <Diver> VirtualBox 4.3.0 should work with iso tho:[22:00:51] <Diver> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Changelog Storage: significantly improved performance of large ATAPI PIO transfers (BeOS, Minix 3 guests affected)[22:01:36] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:02:07] <Carl_Miller> Diver: I tried floppy.img to boot Dano and it still hangs after Booting the BeOS kernel...[22:02:16] * Carl_Miller grmbls[22:02:25] * Carl_Miller tries 5.0 again[22:03:19] <Carl_Miller> nope, doesn't find the CD[22:03:54] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:05:33] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[22:06:42] *** luroh has quit IRC[22:08:25] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:08:59] <Carl_Miller> :([22:10:05] <Diver> well, R5 works here with VBox 4.1.28[22:10:17] * Carl_Miller grabs 4.2.20, brb[22:10:20] *** Carl_Miller has quit IRC[22:10:22] <Diver> So it's possible[22:11:04] <Diver> see here http://web.ncf.ca/au829/WeekendReports/20130309.html[22:12:46] <mmu_man> hmm most emulators fail to handle multi-track CDs[22:13:12] <mmu_man> the Haiku port of QEMU has a special option to pass the TOC to have it find the 2nd track (BFS)[22:13:30] <mmu_man> the simplest way to get it to boot is to extract the floppy image from the boot ISO[22:13:49] <mmu_man> and boot on the floppy with the 2nd track (the BFS image) as the sole CD image[22:32:56] *** Guma has joined #haiku[22:33:25] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[22:38:12] *** Akuji has quit IRC[22:41:14] *** MaxMight has quit IRC[22:41:14] *** Max_Might has quit IRC[22:46:00] *** Carl_Miller has joined #haiku[22:46:01] <Carl_Miller> Back[22:53:33] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:55:58] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:00:19] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[23:00:25] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[23:05:21] <HAIKU-irker005> haiku.master: janus * hrev49091 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=037bc75e7f1a+%5Ee3552201be85[23:05:22] <HAIKU-irker005> 037bc75e7f1a: DataTranslations: use layout, standard format.[23:05:32] <mmu_man> Carl_Miller:[23:05:37] <mmu_man> 22:12 < mmu_man> hmm most emulators fail to handle multi-track CDs[23:05:37] <mmu_man> 22:13 < mmu_man> the Haiku port of QEMU has a special option to pass the TOC to have it find the 2nd track (BFS)[23:05:40] <mmu_man> 22:13 < mmu_man> the simplest way to get it to boot is to extract the floppy image from the boot ISO[23:05:43] <mmu_man> 22:13 < mmu_man> and boot on the floppy with the 2nd track (the BFS image) as the sole CD image[23:06:06] <Carl_Miller> Yeah ._.[23:06:14] <Carl_Miller> "So use some other OS copy the partitions off the BeOS CD, and make a fake hard drive with the data dd'd into separate partitions." <- Why do you make it sound easy >_<[23:06:54] <Carl_Miller> mmu_man: How would I separate the second and third tracks from the first in Windows? >_>;[23:06:54] *** pdziepak has quit IRC[23:07:15] * Carl_Miller googles it[23:07:54] <Carl_Miller> ...nope, those all concern audio CDs[23:07:54] <mmu_man> hmm boot to Linux and use dd :D[23:08:03] <Carl_Miller> mmu_man: <_________<[23:09:32] <mmu_man> http://aeroquartet.com/movierepair/dd%20for%20windows ?[23:09:48] <mmu_man> not sure it'd work but you might be able to use things like \\PhysicalDrive0\...[23:09:48] <Carl_Miller> Ah[23:10:07] <mmu_man> not sure CD tracks are reified in the device namespace though[23:10:46] <Carl_Miller> It's a disk image, not a physical CD[23:14:27] <mmu_man> wait it's an iso ?[23:14:34] <mmu_man> don't you have both tracks separate already ??[23:15:36] <Carl_Miller> No, it's a BIN/CUE[23:15:45] <mmu_man> eh, one more ugly format[23:15:52] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:16:05] <mmu_man> you should be able to calculate the offset to pass to dd from the cue file[23:16:23] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:19:24] <Carl_Miller> Should be, but I can't figure out the conversion factors[23:25:00] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[23:25:50] *** Sir_Designer has joined #haiku[23:25:57] *** Sir_Designer has quit IRC[23:27:02] <mmu_man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_%28computing%29[23:27:32] <Carl_Miller> Yup[23:29:25] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[23:30:22] <mmu_man> there are some drivers to fake CD drives from ISO for win[23:30:28] <mmu_man> although I doubt they support bin/cue[23:30:44] <Carl_Miller> A few do[23:30:47] <Carl_Miller> but I haven't had much luck with them[23:35:09] <mmu_man> you can also patch VirtualBox to support bin/cue :D[23:36:36] <Carl_Miller> Oh? :o[23:36:47] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:38:34] <mmu_man> http://www.cuetools.net/wiki/CUETools ?[23:38:58] *** oblo has quit IRC[23:39:14] <mmu_man> seems to only support audio[23:39:24] <Carl_Miller> OK, got the tracks separated[23:40:52] <mmu_man> how did you do it?[23:40:55] * Anarchos finally manage to get texlive compiles as it should (except for luatex wich segfault when running)[23:41:04] <Carl_Miller> dd and lots of math[23:41:07] <mmu_man> :)[23:41:30] <Carl_Miller> Now to finagle it into something VBox can understand[23:44:29] <mmu_man> https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html#idp99983232[23:45:24] <Carl_Miller> Thanks[23:45:29] *** Megaf has quit IRC[23:46:11] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[23:49:00] <Carl_Miller> Alright, I just straight piped the disc image to a VDI and it won't boot[23:49:04] * Carl_Miller tries with just tracks 2 and 3[23:50:19] <mmu_man> hmm BeOS CDs only have 2 usually[23:51:43] <Carl_Miller> The 5.0 Pro one I'm using has 3[23:52:08] <Carl_Miller> Track 1 is standard ISO9660 format, with various documentation and utilities, while 2 and 3 are presumably BeFS[23:52:38] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[23:55:49] *** Guma has quit IRC[23:56:12] *** oblo has joined #haiku[23:57:20] <mmu_man> ah there's probably a PowerPC track[23:59:21] <Carl_Miller> With just tracks 2 and 3, it throws "Please place the BeOS CD in the CD-ROM drive." (using the 5.1 boot floppy)[23:59:51] <mmu_man> try just 3 or 2 separately[23:59:55] <Carl_Miller> Yeah