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[05:50:08] <watchin> Hi, I am interested in trying Haiku with my windows 7
[05:50:38] <watchin> I am hoping not to have to repartition my HDD
[05:51:02] <watchin> is there a "live demo' of haiku?
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[08:36:25] <computerquip> How does one go about creating an input device driver?
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[08:37:15] <computerquip> Is there something that replaces this concept?
[08:49:54] <jessicah> legacy is just in relation to the documentation itself
[08:50:03] <jessicah> we don't have the rights to modify the original documentation
[08:50:31] <jessicah> well, _some_ parts have changed; but most of it is still relevant, including documentation on the input_server
[08:52:49] <jessicah> the code should be fairly straightforward
[09:00:28] <computerquip> I wonder where a USB input device would be placed in this file heirarchy?
[09:01:16] <computerquip> I'm not even sure how the USB stack works here yet unfortunately. Apparently, there's several ways to go.
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[09:04:37] <jessicah> usb input devices are already handled by the usb hid driver
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[09:08:12] <computerquip> I would assume that's only for HID compliant devices...?
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[09:08:52] <computerquip> Not all USB input devices abide by HID specifications completely or at all.
[09:09:14] <jessicah> yeah, only HID compliant devices
[09:09:46] <jessicah> input server devices are separate from device drivers
[09:09:58] <jessicah> so if you input device needs a custom driver, you'd need that first
[09:10:51] <jessicah> what do you want to make a driver/device handler for? :)
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[09:13:54] <computerquip> Depends on what's acceptable in Haiku. I have a few controllers I own that aren't supported in Haiku that I can familiarize myself with Haiku while implementing drivers for them, like the Xbox controllers.
[09:14:48] <computerquip> Mostly all for funzies.
[09:15:12] <jessicah> :)
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[09:41:39] <Not-5450> [haikuports] diversys b09ca67 - BeZilla: rename recipe to include version * make use of browser.mozconfig * move $libDir/firefox-2.0.0.22pre to $appsDir/BeZilla * rearrange libs * create devel package * add Deskbar link * use haiku-widget-theme * add missing zip requires * mozconfig clean-up
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[10:02:34] <Not-5450> [haikuports] fbrosson 0b67f73 - Hi, I found out that the cdrtools-3.01~a25.patch used in the recipes for 3.01a25, 3.01a27 and 3.01a28 could be simplified by mergeing the diffs on cdrtools-3.01/RULES/x86_64-haiku-{cc,gcc}.rul into a smaller (and yet equivalent) diff on cdrtools-3.01/RULES/MKLINKS. In cdrtools-3.01~a25.patch : x86_64-haiku-{cc,gcc].rul are identical to bepc-haiku-{cc,gcc}.rul whereas in cdrtools-3.01~a28.patch : x86_64-haiku-{c
[10:02:38] <Not-5450> [haikuports] fbrosson 2a15773 - Fixed the description of cdrtools and switched to a smaller (and yet equivalent) patch. cdrtools-3.01~a28.patch is a rewrite of cdrtools-3.01~a25.patch.
[10:02:42] <Not-5450> [haikuports] diversys a610162 - Merged in fbrosson/haikuports/cdrtools-update (pull request #523) cdrtools: simplified the patch for 3.01a28
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[14:43:17] <Dane> hey, what's happened to HaikuWare?
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[14:54:05] <Dane> I heard there's a newer version of Qupzilla, anybody know where I can download it?
[14:54:40] <Diver> Dane: it's in HaikuDepot
[14:54:55] <Dane> Diver: Thanks
[14:55:00] <Diver> so if you have Qupzilla installed you can just pkgman update
[14:55:23] <Diver> or pkgman update qupzilla_x86 if you want to update only this package
[14:56:40] <Dane> k
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[15:02:24] <GeneralDuke> So better use web+ or qupzilla?
[15:02:51] <Diver> Qupzilla, but web+ can play youtube
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[15:04:10] <GeneralDuke> ok, thanks :-)
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[17:35:51] <PulkoMandy> hi, is there a way in pkgman to list all packages which depend on something? I have an ICU update pending but I won't want it to break other packages, so I want to check what I need to rebuild
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[17:42:01] <mmu_man> there's something to solve deps but not sure it applies
[17:42:37] <mmu_man> cf. src/bin/pkgman/command_resolve_dependencies.cpp
[17:43:21] <mmu_man> looks like it only lists the dependencies of the given package
[17:45:25] <PulkoMandy> yes, pkgman resolve-dependencies exposes this, but I need the reverse operation
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[17:52:04] <mmu_man> ok let's leave atomics as inlines for PPC
[17:52:13] <mmu_man> not sure gcc has them for 64bit
[17:52:38] <puckipedia> PulkoMandy: I think you'd need the dependencies for everything
[17:52:55] <puckipedia> you *could* try grepping inside haikuports
[17:53:57] <mmu_man> yep
[17:54:21] <PulkoMandy> yes, but grepping for "icu" is probably going to give me some false positives
[17:55:07] <puckipedia> pkgman info *icu* then egrep '^\s*$NAME_OF_ICU'
[17:55:09] <puckipedia> maybe?
[17:55:42] <mmu_man> requires "cmd:python" of package "haikuporter-0" could not be resolved
[17:55:46] <mmu_man> ok, further
[17:57:14] <HAIKU-irker005> d508fd4c3334: PPC: leave all atomic ops as gcc inlines
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[17:59:14] <PulkoMandy> mmu_man: so, you need the bootstrap packages now?
[17:59:36] <mmu_man> looks like it
[17:59:47] <mmu_man> well I can still build just the boot iso
[17:59:52] <mmu_man> but this is still broken too
[18:00:31] <PulkoMandy> if you have a target that builds, we should adjust the buildbot to use it
[18:00:44] <PulkoMandy> so we notice if someone breaks it
[18:01:02] <mmu_man> not there yet but closer
[18:03:10] <PulkoMandy> "jam -sHAIKU_BUILD_TYPE=bootstrap haiku-boot-cd-ppc.iso" is completely wrong :)
[18:03:53] <PulkoMandy> you need to enable bootstrapping at configure time
[18:04:14] <PulkoMandy> jam -q @bootstrap-raw will probably fail, but before that it should build some of the packages
[18:04:49] <PulkoMandy> then upload those to the repo
[18:04:57] <PulkoMandy> this should fix the build of your boot iso
[18:07:56] <mmu_man> I did
[18:08:23] <mmu_man> configure --bootstrap and jam @bootstrap-raw
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[18:08:43] <mmu_man> ../configure --build-cross-tools ppc ../../buildtools --use-xattr --use-gcc-pipe --distro-compatibility official --enable-multiuser --include-gpl-addons --include-patented-code --include-3rdparty --bootstrap ../../../haikuporter/haikuporter/haikuporter ../../../haikuports.cross/haikuports.cross ../../../haikuports/haikuports
[18:09:45] <PulkoMandy> ok, so you should have the bootstrap packages somewhere in generated
[18:10:18] <mmu_man> generated-ppc/objects/haiku/ppc/packaging/repositories/HaikuPortsCross-build/
[18:10:30] <PulkoMandy> yes, that sounds right
[18:10:31] <mmu_man> but there's just gcc I think
[18:10:44] <mmu_man> then it fails missing cmd:python
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[18:12:57] <PulkoMandy> do you have the log from jam -q @bootstrap_raw ? maybe you just need to add the package to build/jam/repositories/HaikuPorts without actually uploading it yet
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[18:16:38] <mmu_man> probably yes
[18:18:14] <mmu_man> sysroot should contain the stddef.h it wants I think
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[18:18:59] <mmu_man> the messages are weird
[18:19:04] <mmu_man> did it actually create it or not?
[18:19:09] <mmu_man> haiku_cross_devel_sysroot_stage1_ppc.hpkg: Creating the package ...
[18:19:10] <mmu_man> BootstrapRepositoryFetchPackage1 /home/revol/devel/haiku/trunk/generated-ppc/objects/haiku/ppc/packaging/repositories/HaikuPortsCross-build/packages/haikuporter-0-1-any.hpkg
[18:20:49] <mmu_man> at least build/jam/repositories/HaikuPortsCross/ppc has some older version than arm
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[18:25:09] <PulkoMandy> it should match what's in the haikuports.cross repo IIRC
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[18:26:49] <mmu_man> and probably add "ppc" to ARCHITECTURES in some places
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[18:27:54] <Dane___> pinggg
[18:28:10] <Dane___> 144 in here today...they must have opened up some new campsites at the west end of the park
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[18:29:09] <Dane___> Speculation...could there be any connection between the input server's pathmonitorlooper going bonkers, and the user of a KVM?
[18:29:26] <Dane___> and the "use" of a KVM, should say
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[18:35:02] <PulkoMandy> Dane___: I think mmlr fixed part of the problem yesterday
[18:36:11] <HAIKU-irker005> 1eb23951c3a1: HaikuPortsCross: Update some PPC bootstrap packages
[18:38:34] <mmu_man> hmm still choking on cmd:python
[18:39:12] <mmu_man> dev-lang/python_bootstrap/python_bootstrap-2.7.6.recipe:ARCHITECTURES="x86_gcc2 x86 x86_64 arm"
[18:39:15] <mmu_man> eh
[18:41:09] <mmu_man> build-prerequires "cmd:powerpc_apple_haiku_libtoolize" of package "python_bootstrap-2.7.6" could not be resolved
[18:41:22] <mmu_man> same for libtool I suppose
[18:42:28] <mmu_man> weird since arm doesn't use it
[18:43:38] <mmu_man> Message.h:12:15: fatal error: new: No such file or directory
[18:43:39] <mmu_man> WTF ?
[18:43:42] <mmu_man> !notme
[18:43:42] <epigraph> mmu_man: I know it's not your fault. That's life.
[18:44:54] <mmu_man> ah catkeys stuff
[18:45:26] <mmu_man> Error: Failed to create attribute "BEOS:TYPE" of file "develop": Unknown error -1
[18:45:28] <IIsi50MHz> rNyhus: /s/which aims to help a user when they first boot Haiku for the first time/which aims to help a users when they boot Haiku for the first time.
[18:46:54] <puckipedia> rNyhus: not sure if I'd mention "called workshops by the guides" - might not be needed
[18:47:11] <mmu_man> ahh much better now
[18:47:26] <mmu_man> HAIKU-Buildbot: no no, !notme :p
[18:47:27] <IIsi50MHz> rNyhus: /s/submit a new ticket to the Haiku development tracker and selecting the/submit a new ticket to the Haiku development tracker and select the
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[18:50:53] <IIsi50MHz> /s/which introduces readers to C++/which introduce readers to C++
[18:51:06] <IIsi50MHz> ^-- subject is "two books"
[18:51:41] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy: so, still bootstrapping here, let's see...
[18:51:46] <mmu_man> ncurses...
[18:53:13] <IIsi50MHz> rNyhus, last one: /s/you should introducing yourself/ you should introduce yourself
[18:53:36] <puckipedia> IIsi50MHz: that's a weird regex syntax...
[18:53:42] <IIsi50MHz> er, without the extra space I left there
[18:54:27] <puckipedia> I usually use s/a/b/ :P
[18:54:55] <IIsi50MHz> Probably. I'm not that confident I remember it.
[18:54:55] <mmu_man> I thought ncurses was smaller :p
[18:55:04] <mmu_man> ok done ncurses
[18:55:08] <mmu_man> python...
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[18:56:20] <rNyhus> OK all fixes added to the latest version of the page.
[18:56:34] <rNyhus> Thank You.
[18:56:47] <IIsi50MHz> Welcome!
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[18:59:37] <mmu_man> bython bootstrapped
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[19:02:57] <mmu_man> bash bootstrapped
[19:05:45] <mmu_man> 150MB for binutils ?
[19:05:55] <mmu_man> oh ok it downloads all of buildtools
[19:06:09] <mmu_man> I hope it cleans up behind itself
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[19:13:56] <mmu_man> aw, bison failed
[19:14:11] <mmu_man> spawni.c:122:28: error: '_PATH_BSHELL' undeclared (first use in this function) new_argv[0] = (char *) _PATH_BSHELL;
[19:16:50] <mmu_man> ohh I suppose it's due to removing headers/bsd from the default path
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[19:23:50] <mmu_man> bbl
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[20:24:10] <jessicah> PulkoMandy: oh I have some changes for ICU package
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[23:25:22] <HAIKU-irker005> 06ba99b08a2a: shutdown: handle 'halt' and 'reboot' as argv[0]
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[23:28:43] <HAIKU-irker005> 9b3be1401553: BApplication: Fix B_ARGV_* handling on silent relaunch.
[23:31:51] <HAIKU-irker005> 110600c6980f: paths.h: remove the _BSD_SOURCE guard
[23:34:03] <HAIKU-irker005> ae65896a9f47: paths.h: fix some paths
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[23:41:34] <HAIKU-irker005> bdf0418f5c4a: input_server: Fix handling of received -q argument.
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