April 16, 2015 
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quit IRC[04:34:30] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[04:35:01] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[04:39:40] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[04:41:12] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has quit IRC[04:43:06] *** dr_evil_ has quit IRC[04:55:19] *** roptat has quit IRC[05:17:12] *** roptat has joined #haiku[05:21:13] *** HAIKU-irker711 has joined #haiku[05:21:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v HAIKU-irker711[05:21:43] <HAIKU-irker711> haiku.master: autocommitter * hrev49041 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e2ceb857d481+%5Eb598325acceb[05:21:44] <HAIKU-irker711> e2ceb857d481: Update pci.ids from pciids.sourceforge.net[05:24:05] *** e1z0_ is now known as e1z0[05:24:09] *** e1z0 has joined #haiku[05:25:01] <HaikuUser> i have a question. why doesn't haiku store all its configs in plain text?[05:25:24] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[05:26:16] <ex-parrot> HaikuUser: a lot of them are[05:26:21] <ex-parrot> which config in particular are you looking at?[05:30:58] *** eschatologist has quit IRC[05:34:46] *** nande has joined #haiku[05:36:59] <HaikuUser> ex-parrot: i'm not sure off the top of my head, i just noticed lots of applications don't have config files that i can edit in vim[05:37:47] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[05:38:03] <ex-parrot> are you talking about parts of the core OS, or third party applications?[05:38:10] <HaikuUser> both[05:38:37] <HaikuUser> ex-parrot: tell me, how do you modify Deskbar preferences in vim?[05:38:57] <ex-parrot> you have to keep in mind that Haiku via BeOS only grew POSIXish semantics at a late stage[05:39:20] <ex-parrot> there are some things which don't come from the UNIX tradition of text config files :)[05:39:23] <HaikuUser> yep i'm not complaining, just wondering if there's a reason for it. because it seems like unix's 'everything in plain text' is a good idea[05:39:31] <ex-parrot> I agree it is in general[05:40:03] <ex-parrot> but BeOS wasn't really UNIXy until the last couple of releases[05:40:28] <HaikuUser> do you think this is an important enough design feature that it could be an R2 goal?[05:40:42] <HaikuUser> everything in plaintext[05:41:09] <ex-parrot> that's a pretty wild idea[05:41:27] <HaikuUser> why?[05:41:45] <ex-parrot> it'd be a lot of work[05:41:53] <HaikuUser> oh[05:42:43] <ex-parrot> I never got really in to BeOS dev[05:42:54] <HaikuUser> i would have thought it's easier to design everything to use plaintext config in the first place.[05:43:02] <ex-parrot> but I think it's quite common to just flatten the data structures like the BMessage and then dump them in to a file[05:43:12] <HaikuUser> yeah[05:43:41] <ex-parrot> I bet there are some great security implications in that actually[05:43:46] <ex-parrot> recomposing a malicious BMessage...[05:46:51] <ex-parrot> you can probably use deres and unpack the deskbar configuration resource[05:46:53] <ex-parrot> then re-compile it[05:46:56] <ex-parrot> but I'm speculating :)[06:06:39] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[06:07:54] *** [Beta] has quit IRC[06:10:50] <jessicah> it shouldn't actually be too hard to switch to plain text[06:11:00] <jessicah> we already have a json => bmessage adapter[06:12:02] <ex-parrot> wouldn't it require a lot of places to be changed though?[06:12:34] <jessicah> mm, maybe, but the work itself would be fairly trivial, if the API is done right[06:12:39] <ex-parrot> I suppose[06:12:44] <ex-parrot> is my analysis roughly correct regarding the rest?[06:13:06] <jessicah> yeah I think so[06:14:25] <ex-parrot> pohew :)[06:14:29] <ex-parrot> phew*[06:24:45] <hamishm> regarding the security implications[06:24:55] <hamishm> if you're in a position to modify files on the disk you can do anything anyway[06:25:36] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[06:26:48] <jessicah> ex-parrot: I'm pretty sure BMessages are parsed anyway[06:27:06] <jessicah> they encode the data types into the serialized format, for example[06:28:09] <ex-parrot> boring :P[06:28:19] <jessicah> ;)[06:28:26] <ex-parrot> but exploiting serialisation formats is all the rage![06:28:58] <jessicah> there are probably still ways to exploit it :)[06:29:15] <ex-parrot> I wonder if I could port afl-fuzz to haiku[06:31:00] <jessicah> what is that?[06:32:10] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[06:36:06] *** Akuji has quit IRC[06:42:46] *** kneekoo has quit IRC[06:46:01] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[06:46:56] *** kushalsingh007 has quit IRC[06:48:13] <jessicah> ex-parrot: perhaps I'm remembering incorrectly, but I think there might've been an issue with SHM support on Haiku?[06:48:26] <ex-parrot> ah ok, I don't know[06:48:42] <ex-parrot> afl-fuzz does some pretty deep magic[06:48:42] <jessicah> if that is the case [still?], then going by the notes about Android on x86, it wouldn't work[06:48:46] <ex-parrot> mm[06:48:55] <jessicah> if SHM is supported on Haiku, then probably be fairly okay[06:48:56] * ex-parrot puts it on the list of things to look at one day[06:49:10] <ex-parrot> it's probably a bit fish-in-a-barrel to be fuzzing stuff in haiku as well[06:49:15] <jessicah> not sure if our gcc binaries hardcode path to as though; that was one other issue noted[06:49:26] <jessicah> heh :)[06:49:40] <ex-parrot> that sounded way meaner than I intended it to[06:50:03] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[06:55:11] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[06:55:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[06:55:25] <jessicah> ;-)[07:00:38] *** Akuji has quit IRC[07:00:54] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[07:02:15] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[07:04:57] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[07:09:30] *** nagerst_ has joined #haiku[07:12:30] *** nagerst has quit IRC[07:33:31] <HAIKU-irker711> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev49042 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=091a80aeed69+%5Ee2ceb857d481[07:33:32] <HAIKU-irker711> 091a80aeed69: Protect all BSD extensions with _BSD_SOURCE[07:44:00] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[07:44:01] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1539 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1539 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:44:13] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:46:10] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1595 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1595 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:46:28] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1609 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/1609 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:48:54] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1625 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/1625 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:49:06] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1564 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/1564 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:49:09] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1601 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @minimum-raw] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/1601 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:49:25] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1432 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/1432 blamelist: Adrien Destugues <pulkomandy at gmail dot com>[07:49:57] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1487 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed jam @release-raw build <repository>Haiku] Build details are 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*** Max-Might has quit IRC[13:03:35] *** Akuji has quit IRC[13:09:07] *** stippi has quit IRC[13:10:36] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[13:23:08] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[13:26:42] *** oblo has joined #haiku[13:33:02] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[13:33:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[13:36:23] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[13:39:14] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[13:39:46] *** happy-dude has joined #haiku[13:40:31] *** nighty-_ has joined #haiku[13:41:37] <HAIKU-irker711> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev49043 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e4de39c4e423+%5E091a80aeed69[13:41:38] <HAIKU-irker711> 9f17027980c8: assert.h: remove include guards[13:41:39] <HAIKU-irker711> e4de39c4e423: libs/bsd: also define _BSD_SOURCE for C files[13:41:40] *** Max-Might has joined #haiku[13:52:42] *** NicePics13 has joined #haiku[13:53:18] *** NicePics13 has left #haiku[13:55:18] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1596 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1596[13:55:26] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:57:44] *** _3dEyes has quit IRC[14:00:11] *** Akuji has quit IRC[14:02:29] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[14:02:49] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1488 of haiku-repository-x86_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_hybrid/builds/1488[14:08:36] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1540 of haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1540[14:10:35] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1433 of haiku-repository-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-repository-x86_64/builds/1433[14:13:53] <HAIKU-Buildbot_> build #1610 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build 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*** Stephane3 has joined #haiku[20:11:51] *** Max-Might has quit IRC[20:12:34] *** Max-Might has joined #haiku[20:13:48] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:13:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[20:47:29] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[20:47:41] *** dexterk has quit IRC[20:48:07] *** dexterk has joined #haiku[20:51:38] *** Stephane3 has quit IRC[20:54:25] *** jessicah has joined #haiku[20:54:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah[20:56:18] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:58:59] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[20:58:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[21:05:55] <HAIKU-irker711> haiku.master: jessicah * hrev49044 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c7ad68f08cd9+%5Ee4de39c4e423[21:05:56] <HAIKU-irker711> c7ad68f08cd9: assert.h: add comments explaining the omission of include guards[21:14:47] *** axeld has joined #haiku[21:14:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[21:16:12] <jessicah`> hey axeld :)[21:16:25] <jessicah`> thanks for the quick review yesterday[21:16:28] <axeld> Hi jessicah`[21:18:13] <jessicah`> axeld: do you know much about how the locale system works?[21:27:11] <jessicah`> like, does an app have to link with extra libraries for LocaleBackend::LoadBackend() to return B_OK?[21:27:32] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[21:29:10] <axeld> jessicah`: I really haven't had a look into it since ages. You're probably better off asking Adrien or Oliver[21:29:13] <axeld> sorry[21:29:22] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[21:29:29] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[21:29:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[21:32:45] *** jstressman has left #haiku[21:33:52] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:33:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[21:34:41] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[21:38:39] <jessicah`> PulkoMandy: do you know if an app needs to link with anything extra for LocaleBackend::LoadBackend() to run successfully?[21:39:37] <PulkoMandy> there is a liblocalestub.a (we use this to get the image info of the caller so localization works in libraries and addons)[21:42:00] <PulkoMandy> mh... but the LocaleBackend doesn't seem to be using that[21:42:34] <PulkoMandy> there are some tricks in this area, as there is a circular dependency between libroot and libicu[21:45:20] *** rvalles has quit IRC[21:45:43] <HAIKU-irker711> haiku.master: mmlr * hrev49045 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=56a63697ae24+%5Ec7ad68f08cd9[21:45:44] <HAIKU-irker711> 56a63697ae24: notification_server: Don't remove the views from the layout.[21:45:48] *** rvalles has joined #haiku[21:53:29] <jessicah`> ugh, the _BSD_SOURCE change has messed up my boost installation[21:53:43] *** SunWuKung has quit IRC[21:54:34] <PulkoMandy> yes I guess some ports will need the #define[21:54:34] <PulkoMandy> on glibc it is enabled by default unless you force the compiler in a standard mode (-std=c99 or so)[21:54:50] <PulkoMandy> we can do this as well but we would need a features.h and include that everywhere[21:55:23] *** jstressman has joined #haiku[22:06:24] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[22:08:10] <HAIKU-irker711> haiku.master: pulkomandy * hrev49046 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8bbe44dd63d9+%5E56a63697ae24[22:08:11] <HAIKU-irker711> 8bbe44dd63d9: Add package for libmpeg2[22:09:28] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[22:11:54] *** Max-Might has quit IRC[22:17:16] *** DrCode has quit IRC[22:20:11] <jessicah`> hmm, defining _BSD_SOURCE in the haiku platform config file doesn't fix it either :([22:21:00] <PulkoMandy> strange[22:22:20] <jessicah`> oh well, I'll figure something out[22:22:30] <jessicah`> must work on other platforms that don't have timegm()[22:29:56] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[22:39:13] <axeld> PulkoMandy: btw, I think we should switch to _DEFAULT_SOURCE, too, as glibc did -- otherwise this move didn't make much sense[22:39:44] *** axeld has quit IRC[22:40:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:47:14] *** oco2 has quit IRC[22:48:33] *** oblo has joined #haiku[23:10:05] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:10:48] *** BitPuffin has joined #haiku[23:15:35] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[23:15:35] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[23:15:36] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[23:15:57] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:16:28] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:54:41] <ex-parrot> hey folks[23:54:50] <ex-parrot> attempting to do Haiku Friday on another new netbook[23:55:02] <ex-parrot> but neither the current nightly anyboot or raw images will boot off a USB stick :(