April 7, 2015 
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April 7, 2015 [00:03:35] *** Dane__ has joined #haiku[00:03:37] <HAIKU-irker599> haiku.master: waddlesplash * hrev49005 [2 commits] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=51362d85d8a9+%5Eb63d718b1c30[00:03:38] <HAIKU-irker599> 64f7e980a48b: BString docs: don't have tags in hsection titles.[00:03:39] <HAIKU-irker599> 51362d85d8a9: Haiku Book: Doxyfile: eat __attribute__ directives.[00:04:57] <Dane__> Correcting my question a bit...[00:05:26] <Dane__> Is anyone else noticing that sometimes the pathmonitor looper going crazy once in awhile? Every few bootups, I notice processcontroller going wild and that's what's always spiking.[00:09:27] <waddlesplash> Dane__: there is a ticket about that, don't recall the details exactly[00:09:29] <waddlesplash> no idea other than that[00:13:45] *** soakbot has quit IRC[00:14:01] *** soakbot has joined #haiku[00:14:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v soakbot[00:14:48] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1559 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1559 blamelist: Augustin Cavalier <waddlesplash at gmail dot com>[00:22:45] *** iMe has quit IRC[00:25:30] *** iMe has joined #haiku[00:29:00] *** jua_ has quit IRC[00:29:35] *** vdamewood has quit IRC[00:33:08] *** Martini_ has quit IRC[00:35:53] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1572 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2/builds/1572[00:36:19] *** nighty-_ has quit IRC[00:51:27] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:52:14] *** iMe has quit IRC[00:53:57] *** iMe has joined #haiku[01:06:21] *** bubu7te has joined #haiku[01:08:08] *** bbjimmy-atwork- has joined #haiku[01:16:58] *** reaply has joined #haiku[01:17:18] <reaply> Good evening[01:22:02] *** ddavid123 has joined #haiku[01:25:38] *** _3dEyes has joined #haiku[01:25:44] <Dane__> waddlesplash Do you ever see that on your system? Just wondering how widespread it is.[01:31:03] *** iMe has quit IRC[01:32:26] *** iMe has joined #haiku[01:33:04] <jessicah> Dane__: I think I've seen it before, but not in a long time[01:38:24] <Dane__> jessicah Happens here quite a bit. Maybe it's my hardware.[01:38:35] <Dane__> thx, bbl[01:38:35] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[01:39:08] *** scanty has quit IRC[01:39:49] *** scanty has joined #haiku[01:43:06] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[01:43:49] *** scanty has quit IRC[01:50:50] *** bubu7te has quit IRC[01:51:35] <reaply> How are the drivers for newer hardware?[01:54:38] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[01:54:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[02:01:36] *** iMe has quit IRC[02:01:53] *** scanty has joined #haiku[02:02:57] <jessicah> reaply: not quite there yet[02:03:19] <jessicah> USB3 is still very buggy and experimental[02:03:44] *** oblo has quit IRC[02:03:46] <jessicah> and starting to get behind with network drivers[02:04:06] *** iMe has joined #haiku[02:04:42] <jessicah> need someone to work on updating our freebsd compat layer to work with 10.x[02:12:30] <reaply> I wish I could offer drivers, but that's not my specialty[02:13:07] <reaply> Are there a substantial amount of developers?[02:14:02] *** NumberNoid is now known as zz_NumberNoid[02:14:12] <waddlesplash> reaply: all the people in the ops list are devs[02:14:19] <waddlesplash> and there are usually more[02:14:30] <waddlesplash> so, I'd say around ~20 active ones more or less[02:17:06] *** wesbluemarine has quit IRC[02:18:26] <xybr2> Thanks PulkoMandy the _x86 version doesn't stick on the dep check.[02:21:21] *** ddavid123 has quit IRC[02:25:03] <reaply> Oh, thank you waddlesplash[02:25:08] <waddlesplash> np[02:38:14] *** iMe has quit IRC[02:41:06] *** iMe has joined #haiku[02:42:59] *** scanty has quit IRC[02:43:39] *** scanty has joined #haiku[02:53:50] *** daniele_athome has quit IRC[02:55:09] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[02:55:57] *** Megaf has joined #haiku[03:02:51] *** iMe has quit IRC[03:05:19] *** iMe has joined #haiku[03:20:24] *** _marc` has quit IRC[03:27:20] *** Vidiot_X has joined #haiku[03:31:42] *** iMe has quit IRC[03:31:59] *** darfo has joined #haiku[03:34:27] *** iMe has joined #haiku[03:35:04] *** _marc` has joined 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joined #haiku[05:11:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:31:09] *** _marc` has quit IRC[05:32:17] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[05:38:19] *** Leer10 has joined #haiku[05:38:45] <Leer10> I'm having issues with my installation of haiku[05:39:21] <jessicah`> Leer10: what kind of issues?[05:39:24] <Leer10> while there are some minor inconveniences that will get fixed later on, the most problematic is a revision in the nightlies that has prevented complete bootup[05:39:41] <Leer10> It only boots up as late as revision 4767[05:40:03] <jessicah`> you're missing a digit there[05:40:13] <Leer10> *48767[05:40:21] <Leer10> oh wait[05:40:22] <Leer10> yeah[05:40:23] <Leer10> that one[05:40:29] <Leer10> I looked up the revision log[05:40:34] <jessicah`> hmm, that's a bit old now...[05:40:40] <Leer10> and I'm pretty sure that 48770 has caused the problem[05:41:11] <Leer10> I'm running the annoying GMA500[05:41:17] <Leer10> on a dell mini 1010[05:41:33] <Leer10> here's the link: http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=hrev48770[05:43:42] <jessicah`> seems an odd thing to break... do you not get any display output then?[05:44:13] <jessicah`> and where exactly does it stop working?[05:44:20] <Leer10> all that I know of is that the boot process doesn't continue any further, and the light stops blinking on the USB drive[05:44:32] <Leer10> it stops right after the rocket lights up[05:45:14] <jessicah`> does it turn blue? or just stay at the loading screen with the rocket lit up?[05:45:35] <Leer10> it stays at the loading screen with the rocket lit up[05:45:44] <jessicah`> that is pretty weird[05:46:38] <Leer10> yep[05:46:54] *** kafkaz has joined #haiku[05:47:24] <jessicah`> if you press spacebar to enter safe mode, and choose fail-safe video & select the resolution you want, then continue booting, do you get a desktop then?[05:47:49] <Leer10> I'll try safe mode[05:47:56] <Leer10> just let me switch to IRC on another device[05:50:27] *** Leer11 has joined #haiku[05:50:47] <Leer11> Here[05:51:20] <jessicah`> k[05:52:30] <Leer11> Trying fail safe video mode now[05:54:12] <Leer11> Works but not sure what to do now[05:54:56] *** Leer10 has quit IRC[05:56:13] <Leer11> So how do I force a 1024x600 resolution?[05:57:57] *** Leer10 has joined #haiku[05:59:47] <jessicah`> is it in the resolution list in the boot menu?[06:00:01] <jessicah`> if it's not listed, then you can't[06:00:17] <Leer11> Not under the fail safes[06:07:58] *** Leer10 has quit IRC[06:11:06] <jessicah`> but you were able to get to the desktop?[06:11:40] <jessicah`> Leer11: you should file a ticket at https://dev.haiku-os.org/[06:12:29] <jessicah`> include steps you've followed, etc., and also include output of listdev, and attach syslog on the latest working hrev[06:13:19] <jessicah`> in the ticket, you can just use hrev48767, etc. and it will automatically link to the revision in cgit as well[06:13:49] <jessicah`> will need someone like axeld to look into it[06:18:45] *** 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#haiku[18:17:26] <HAIKU-irker599> haiku.master: janus * hrev49006 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=be63ec85a811+%5E51362d85d8a9[18:17:26] *** stippi has joined #haiku[18:17:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[18:17:27] <HAIKU-irker599> be63ec85a811: Showimage: Wait for loader threads on exit.[18:19:00] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:20:32] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[18:21:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:21:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o PulkoMandy[18:21:40] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[18:25:06] *** bslsk05 has quit IRC[18:25:37] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1588 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/1588 blamelist: Janus <janus2 at ymail dot com>[18:25:43] *** bslsk05 has joined #haiku[18:29:15] *** _marc` has joined #haiku[18:34:52] *** avril14th has joined #haiku[18:38:06] *** NOSCag has left #haiku[18:39:39] *** jua_ has joined #haiku[18:39:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jua_[18:40:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:42:35] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[18:42:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v epigraph[18:45:21] * humdinger is idle: BRB[18:46:20] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[18:49:28] *** leszek has quit IRC[18:53:33] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:00:45] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1528 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/1528[19:01:16] *** DKnoto has quit IRC[19:05:39] *** stippi has quit IRC[19:09:18] *** AsalleKim has quit IRC[19:14:34] *** Barrett has quit IRC[19:18:58] <HAIKU-irker599> haiku.master: janus * hrev49007 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=cae52eadacee+%5Ebe63ec85a811[19:18:59] <HAIKU-irker599> cae52eadacee: Showimage: Add zoom level to StatusBar.[19:20:24] *** Max-Might has joined #haiku[19:23:18] <humdinger> waddlesplash: what's up with BurnItNow (and cdrtools?) mentioned in this thread: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/burnitnow2[19:23:28] <humdinger> waddlesplash: both build. makes it sense to upload them?[19:27:23] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:28:30] *** zer0her0 has quit IRC[19:29:10] *** zer0her0 has joined #haiku[19:29:43] <waddlesplash> humdinger: if they work, I dunno if they do[19:30:11] <humdinger> I don't either... I don't have an optical drive...[19:30:15] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1566 of haiku-master-x86_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_hybrid/builds/1566 blamelist: Janus <janus2 at ymail dot com>[19:30:50] <waddlesplash> humdinger: well I have an old circa-2004 box that does[19:30:54] <waddlesplash> maybe it works? idk[19:30:56] <waddlesplash> we'll have to see[19:31:04] <waddlesplash> ask me in a few days :p[19:31:12] <humdinger> will do. :)[19:31:30] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[19:31:32] <humdinger> I'll also suggest to the users intereseted in it to build their own package with haikuporter.[19:34:08] <jessicah`> or you could just upload to somewhere and link them to the packages ;)[19:35:43] <luroh> agree, that should at least rule out *other* potential issues any tester would encounter trying to build things himself[19:36:14] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[19:36:20] <humdinger> Let's see it as an educational enterprise then... :)[19:36:51] <jessicah`> we shouldn't be like the whole linux build it yourself[19:37:05] <jessicah`> are we actually trying to be a desktop OS for users or not? :p[19:37:21] <humdinger> people on the bleeding edge will have to.[19:37:29] <humdinger> others can wait for the package to arrive.[19:37:53] <jessicah`> we need a second repo... =/[19:38:17] <luroh> but are these guys edgy or just bleeding? :p[19:38:35] *** hmstrmn has quit IRC[19:38:54] *** hmstrmn has joined #haiku[19:52:30] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[19:53:28] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: just upload a package. If it doesn't work, people will complain and we'll know[19:53:38] <PulkoMandy> and then we can fix :)[19:55:09] <humdinger> i wondered about that too...[19:55:16] <jessicah`> exactly :)[19:55:27] <humdinger> the danger is that people don't complain "officially",[19:55:36] <PulkoMandy> there is a rating system in haikudepot for this[19:55:40] <jessicah`> eventually we'll have a stable repo and a "current" repo[19:55:42] <humdinger> and just say " there are crap packages in the depot"[19:55:47] <PulkoMandy> sure, someone has to watch the comments there :)[19:56:11] <jessicah`> humdinger: or just have the situation now where they're already complaining ;-)[19:56:17] <humdinger> would be nice if the "stability rating" were analyzed somewhere.[19:56:33] <PulkoMandy> humdinger: that's a fair game, I'm fine with people saying that if I can answer "ok, let's fix"[19:56:59] <PulkoMandy> it works for the depot, it doesn't for haikuware where your only hope is reaching the original author[19:58:24] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1561 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1561[19:59:14] <humdinger> I'm still not very comfortable to upload untested apps...[19:59:47] <humdinger> OTOH, once the buildbots are uploading to the repo (if that ever happens) it's not different...[19:59:50] <jessicah`> psh; microsoft pushed out a preview of project spartan that has entire features missing[19:59:56] *** iMe has quit IRC[20:00:19] <PulkoMandy> we are rather clear about Haiku still being in alpha stage, too[20:00:25] <jessicah`> and very sub-optimal performance... but you can't get feedback if you do nothing[20:00:28] <humdinger> jessicah`: you have to set your aims higher :)[20:00:41] <PulkoMandy> so this is to be expected, and it's a good way to get people to report problems[20:00:58] <PulkoMandy> and our user community (or at least part of it) is rather good at telling us when things are wrong[20:01:20] *** iMe has joined #haiku[20:01:50] <humdinger> Alright then, I'll look into it tomorrow.[20:02:04] <jessicah`> okay, back to bed... another 4 hours of running regression tests in progress...[20:02:57] <humdinger> G'night jessicah`.[20:03:07] <humdinger> ...and everyone....[20:03:10] *** humdinger has quit IRC[20:06:04] *** xybr2 has quit IRC[20:06:37] *** xybr2 has joined #haiku[20:08:50] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1589 of haiku-master-x86_64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_64/builds/1589[20:09:30] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[20:18:02] *** HaikuUser has quit IRC[20:23:36] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[20:23:45] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #haiku[20:28:46] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[20:33:54] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[20:34:34] *** ledNaro has joined #haiku[20:39:33] *** unicodesnowman has quit IRC[20:40:37] *** stippi has joined #haiku[20:40:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:42:44] *** hasta has joined #haiku[20:42:51] <hasta> hey all[20:43:01] <hasta> how's work on the never-ending hobbyist OS coming along?[20:43:21] <hasta> is the frozen mouse issue solved so I can haiku again? in nightlies?[20:43:26] <PulkoMandy> yes, it should be[20:43:36] <hasta> nice[20:43:48] <PulkoMandy> http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f1a02a8e1e570ec209443c5ce1dff417d7c7d80b[20:43:58] <PulkoMandy> so hrev49000 or newer[20:44:21] <hasta> PulkoMandy: awesome! downloading now[20:45:39] <hasta> PulkoMandy: could this also solve the Hub issues?[20:45:43] *** zzzzzzzzz has joined #haiku[20:45:56] *** iMe has quit IRC[20:46:08] <PulkoMandy> possibly, there were a few other fixes too[20:46:21] <PulkoMandy> it seems better here but I didn't do much testing on that yet[20:48:15] *** iMe has joined #haiku[20:49:49] *** zer0her0 has quit IRC[20:58:06] *** Skipp_OSX has joined #haiku[20:58:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Skipp_OSX[21:02:18] *** duracell has joined #haiku[21:03:39] <stippi> Darn, my KVM issues are not fixed by the USB fixes.[21:03:53] <stippi> I really should look into those...[21:04:41] *** duracell has quit IRC[21:06:51] <luroh> stippi: looks like vidrep is at least seeing some improvement, https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/11793[21:11:36] *** DKnoto has joined #haiku[21:12:26] *** BitPuffin has quit IRC[21:15:24] <stippi> hi luroh: I was just hopeful, but I guess my issues must be unrelated, since I am 100% sure it worked at some point with another KVM. So whatever it is, it can't be something which has been a problem with our USB stack all along.[21:16:47] <luroh> ah, i see[21:17:36] *** iMe has quit IRC[21:17:43] *** Barrett has quit IRC[21:19:28] * luroh is still clinging to an old ps/2 switch and crt display[21:19:29] *** iMe has joined #haiku[21:20:13] *** dexterk has quit IRC[21:20:16] *** unicodesnowman has joined #haiku[21:21:50] <Max-Might> https://github.com/haiku/haiku/blob/master/src/add-ons/print/drivers/pdf/source/PrinterDriver.cpp#L144 does anyone know why this thing does two passes for every document?[21:21:55] * stippi is still holding on to an LCD, waiting for an OLED 5K screen. Hehe.[21:22:15] <jessicah`> :o[21:22:27] <jessicah`> that would be one impressive screen...[21:23:36] <js> I'm also waiting for a 5K screen[21:23:38] <stippi> I've got quite a good LCD, so whatever comes next needs to be worth the upgrade.[21:23:40] <js> not necessarily OLED though[21:23:57] <js> in any case, Haiku needs to support HiDPI by then ;)[21:24:00] <stippi> js, there are 5K screens already, no? The Dell and HP ones?[21:24:08] <js> stippi: forget about them[21:24:12] <js> they have a DP 1.2 connector[21:24:14] <js> which can't do 5K[21:24:19] <js> so they have 2 and it works like 2 displays[21:24:24] <stippi> No, first the screen, then the motivation to work on HiDPI.[21:24:40] <stippi> js: Ah yes. I remember.[21:24:42] *** unicodesnowman has quit IRC[21:24:44] <js> same problem as with 4K TVs basically[21:25:02] <js> (well, that's solved now with HDMI 2.0 - kind of. With real HDMI 2.0, but HDMI 1.4a firmware updated to HDMI 2.0)[21:25:13] <js> s/but/& not/[21:25:59] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[21:27:24] <jessicah`> I still find 4k displays a bit crazy... so many pixels[21:27:39] <js> jessicah`: it's not enough actually[21:27:45] <js> 4K @ 27" isn't even retina[21:27:49] <js> you'd need 5K @ 27"[21:28:07] <jessicah`> I don't have monitors that big[21:28:12] <jessicah`> I find them too large[21:28:21] <js> 23" @ 4K is ok[21:28:24] <jessicah`> have dual 24" dells here; plenty big[21:28:27] <js> everything above that needs more than 4K[21:28:35] <jessicah`> and that's just 1920x1200[21:28:40] <js> jessicah`: 2x 24" needs more space than 1x 27" ;)[21:28:55] <jessicah`> personally, I don't need more pixels yet :p[21:29:02] <js> I have 2x 24" at work - I would trade that for 1x 24" @ 4K without hesitation[21:29:05] <jessicah`> js: it's for dual PCs[21:29:30] <jessicah`> and even if it takes up more desk space, I'd much rather have dual 24s than a single 27[21:29:38] <jessicah`> I just find the screen far too large[21:29:44] <js> I often just unplug the monitor and use the small 13" Retina MBP just because the retina display looks so much better[21:29:47] <Skipp_OSX> I think it is more about dpi than resolution, even a bad laser printer is 600dpi[21:29:52] <js> *monitors[21:29:57] *** dexterk has joined #haiku[21:30:02] <jessicah`> used to work with 27" iMacs... just too big![21:30:40] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[21:30:45] <jessicah`> Skipp_OSX: mm, I guess I haven't spent enough time using a HiDPI display to know the difference[21:31:12] <jessicah`> dunno if dell do HiDPI displays in this form factor[21:31:17] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`, regular displays are fuzzy[21:31:36] <jessicah`> seems okay to me :p[21:32:07] <Skipp_OSX> jessicah`: yes, but once you see the HiDPI displays it allows you to perceive the difference[21:32:34] <js> yeah, the difference is like from old 8-bit computers to VGA[21:32:49] <jessicah`> hmm, prolly can't get 16:10 HiDPI displays...[21:32:54] <js> I mean, it literally is just the same difference as from 320x240 to 640x480[21:33:10] <jessicah`> true :)[21:33:31] <js> after you used 640x480 on a CRT, you could never go back to 320x240 on a CRT[21:33:36] <js> it's the same with retina on an LCD :)[21:34:35] * PulkoMandy just keeps some 8-bit computers around to not get used to big screens too fast[21:35:01] <Skipp_OSX> you can print really small text like 2pt font on a printer and still read it because it is 600DPI or greater, you just can't do that on a regular monitor[21:35:07] <PulkoMandy> but old CRTs are so blurry the resolution doesn't really matter there[21:35:26] <js> PulkoMandy: which makes low resolutions more bearable, though[21:35:34] <Skipp_OSX> now, that isn't practical, 2pt fonts, but, even at larger font sizes you can see that the text is blurry and harder to read.[21:35:36] <js> I mean, if I compare the 13" MBP, retina and non retina[21:35:40] <PulkoMandy> yes[21:35:47] <js> 1280x800 on the non-retina looks better than 1280x800 on the retina[21:36:52] <luroh> i don't quite buy the comparison. with 320x240, the size of each pixel is about a millimeter[21:37:15] <js> luroh: same with non-retina :P[21:37:18] <PulkoMandy> a millimeter² (and it depends on the monitor size)[21:37:37] <js> luroh: 320x240 was on way smaller screens[21:37:44] <js> whereas we have 1920x1080 on big ass screens these days[21:37:49] <PulkoMandy> depends[21:37:58] <luroh> on a "retina" (sigh...), the size of a pixel is barely perceivable[21:37:58] <PulkoMandy> my Amstrad CPC has a 14" CRT and my current laptop is 12"[21:38:29] <PulkoMandy> (but I wouldn't mind some more pixels…)[21:41:48] *** Akuji__ has joined #haiku[21:44:05] *** Diver has joined #haiku[21:44:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Diver[21:45:39] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[21:46:11] <jessicah`> the only 16:10 monitor dell have with more pixels is 30", and that's 2560x1600[21:47:03] <jessicah`> so I doubt you're actually getting smaller pixels[21:48:38] *** Akuji__ has quit IRC[21:49:00] *** HaikuUser has joined #haiku[21:49:00] *** HaikuUser is now known as Dane__[21:49:16] <Dane__> Ho...here's an interesting twist...[21:49:26] <Dane__> I just watched Installer copy over the entire swap file.[21:49:35] <Dane__> That's not usual, is it?[21:49:40] <jessicah`> heh[21:49:48] <jessicah`> that should be excluded :p[21:49:53] <Dane__> agreed[21:49:59] <Dane__> A regression, methinks[21:50:19] <js> jessicah`: Ugh, 2560x1600 on 30"[21:50:21] <js> I have that on 27"[21:50:23] <js> it looks *crap*[21:50:43] <Dane__> waddlesplash Who's working on the Installer these days?[21:50:54] <hasta> PulkoMandy: finally got latest nightly up, mouse problem still there. In fact, I see no difference. Have not tested the usb-hub yet[21:51:11] <PulkoMandy> Dane__: on the default install media there is no swap file because there is not enough space for it[21:51:14] <Dane__> hasta Frozen mouse on bootup?[21:51:24] <hasta> Dane__: no, it freezes randomly[21:51:30] <hasta> for a few seconds[21:51:34] *** Skipp_OSX has left #haiku[21:51:38] <hasta> well, it feels that long[21:51:43] <Dane__> PulkoMandy Normally even if you install from a configured hard drive, Installer ignores the swap file, doesn't it?[21:52:05] <PulkoMandy> I don't know. Maybe it doesn't and we never noticed because usually there is no swap file to copy[21:52:16] <hasta> the usb hub issue isn't all that serious, just slightly annoying: it doesn't pick up my wireless usb keyboard (the dongle is in the hub)[21:52:19] *** Akuji_ has joined #haiku[21:52:50] <hasta> it works fine without the hub[21:53:04] <Dane__> PulkoMandy I'm installing from a configured hard drive constantly, so maybe that's why it stood out so much to me. I'm not used to seeing it do that.[21:53:04] <hasta> and yes, it works *with* the hub on linux[21:53:45] <PulkoMandy> WorkerThread.cpp:100: fIgnorePaths.insert("system/var/swap");[21:53:47] <hasta> PulkoMandy: should I try build from source, or is the nightly from top-of-trunk?[21:53:50] <PulkoMandy> at least it tries to ignore it[21:54:05] <PulkoMandy> hasta: the nightlies are built from trunk so I don't expect any difference[21:54:12] <hasta> :-/[21:54:42] <PulkoMandy> assuming you downloaded from http://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/x86_gcc2_hybrid/, one of the 2 most recent ones[21:54:53] <PulkoMandy> (49001 or 49005)[21:55:07] <PulkoMandy> (you can check in leaf menu > about this system)[21:55:47] <hasta> here's the crazy part.... if I wiggle the mouse like crazy, it affects audio (jitter). When I did kernel dev back in the days, I saw similar effects because the irq handler wasn't reentrant or took too long, guess it's something like that[21:56:42] <PulkoMandy> I was always frightened by the number of threads used by our usb stack[21:57:24] <PulkoMandy> (3 for each usb port and a few more)[21:57:38] *** axeld has quit IRC[21:57:39] <Dane__> bbiab[21:57:39] *** Dane__ has quit IRC[21:57:47] <jessicah`> 3 per port?[21:57:49] <jessicah`> :o[21:58:00] <PulkoMandy> yes, you can see them in ProcessController[21:58:23] <jessicah`> that takes pervasive multithreading to a whole new level :)[21:58:42] <PulkoMandy> "uhci finish", "uhci cleanup", and "uhci isochronous finish"[21:59:05] <PulkoMandy> on my machine USB is more than half of the kernel threads[21:59:19] <PulkoMandy> (and I don't have that much USB ports or devices on this laptop)[21:59:52] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:00:26] <jessicah`> heh; I only have one USB device conn[22:00:31] <jessicah`> e]c\ted\[22:00:36] <jessicah`> bad kitty[22:02:18] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:02:36] *** Akuji has quit IRC[22:02:44] *** johnlink has joined #haiku[22:03:39] <hasta> so what do I do? ps2 mouse?[22:04:15] *** iMe has quit IRC[22:04:43] <PulkoMandy> that's one option yes[22:05:24] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[22:05:48] <hasta> let's try to locate such a mouse in 2015...[22:06:26] *** iMe has joined #haiku[22:06:38] <PulkoMandy> these usb/ps2 adapters should work as well[22:06:48] <PulkoMandy> (that's what I used until the bug was fixed here)[22:07:40] <hasta> wait. what. you hit the bug, but no longer do?[22:07:50] <hasta> why no difference here? argghghghghg.[22:08:21] <PulkoMandy> I don't know, maybe there is another bug with similar effects[22:09:25] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:12:09] *** johnlink has left #haiku[22:19:19] *** Max-Might has quit IRC[22:19:30] *** epigraph has quit IRC[22:20:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:31:01] *** ledNaro has quit IRC[22:32:42] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:34:45] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[22:35:07] *** oco2 has joined #haiku[22:39:21] *** jessicah` has quit IRC[22:41:00] *** epigraph has joined #haiku[22:44:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:45:19] *** jessicah` has joined #haiku[22:45:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jessicah`[22:46:20] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[22:52:21] *** waddlesplash has quit IRC[22:52:41] *** waddlesplash has joined #haiku[22:52:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o waddlesplash[22:52:56] *** iMe has quit IRC[22:56:16] *** iMe has joined #haiku[23:02:56] *** Diver has quit IRC[23:03:28] *** xybr2 has quit IRC[23:04:00] *** xybr2 has joined #haiku[23:16:20] *** Ptrus has quit IRC[23:16:53] *** Ptrus has joined #haiku[23:22:17] *** oblo has quit IRC[23:25:38] <HAIKU-irker599> haiku.master: janus * hrev49008 [1 commit] http://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6ea53cb5bbd5+%5Ecae52eadacee[23:25:39] <HAIKU-irker599> 6ea53cb5bbd5: Showimage: Test thread ID for generic error.[23:28:53] *** oblo has joined #haiku[23:32:14] *** zzzzzzzzz has left #haiku[23:34:49] *** NOSCag has joined #haiku[23:37:49] *** _marc` has quit IRC[23:37:57] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1562 of haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86_gcc2_hybrid/builds/1562 blamelist: Janus <janus2 at ymail dot com>[23:38:01] *** Akuji_ has quit IRC[23:41:02] <HAIKU-Buildbot> build #1530 of haiku-master-x86 is complete: Failure [failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.haiku-os.org/builders/haiku-master-x86/builds/1530 blamelist: Janus <janus2 at ymail dot com>[23:42:00] *** epigraph has quit IRC[23:42:00] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:42:26] *** Akuji has joined #haiku[23:45:07] *** Bodhi has quit IRC[23:47:04] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[23:53:29] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku